[00:18] hi, got one question about ubuntustudio: does it provide any more up-to-date packages than a regular 'stable' more-upstream ubuntu release would? [00:18] considering migrating my desktop from Debian Lenny to Ubuntu, just want to look into the Ubuntustudio distro before making that move [00:18] and that's the sole question I have about it [00:20] hey gimbal [00:20] basically [00:20] hulloa [00:20] ubuntustudio is just software [00:20] yah [00:21] you can add it to a vanilla ubuntu install [00:21] and marketing kinda, I'd pitch in, heh [00:21] pulls from the same repo [00:22] you do audio production in lenny? [00:22] starting to [00:22] cool [00:22] bugged that there's no ardour in lenny [00:23] you might want to look at 64studio [00:23] you can add AFAIK [00:23] already had to reinstall after a grub upgrade broke my boot sequence, under the 'unstable' branch heh [00:23] cool [00:23] the 64studio repos to lenny [00:23] the newer 64studio 3.x is hardy based [00:24] hey that's nice to see - what I can glance of their business model on short review anyways, heh [00:24] but i think they still maintain an older repo for debain [00:24] debian* [00:24] not a lot of support though [00:24] he IRC channel is dead [00:24] and i had mixed luck with the mailinglist [00:25] cant really beat ubuntu when it come to that :) [00:25] i c [00:25] gimbal: /j #opensourcemusicians :) [00:27] ahh heh; just kind of researching an installation right now, and shooting the bulll; got more admin stuff to do about that, before I can go too much further about it [00:28] well, good luck [00:28] ubuntustudio is well maintained and stable [00:29] you will enjoy :) [00:31] thanks [01:05] so it looks like I could put ubuntu and the ubuntustudio bundles onto my laptop, and connect it to my dekstop via netjack [01:06] ...if I can just figure out how to get the hdmi output working on the laptop, it's what's connecting it to the monitor [01:07] under linux; just thinking out loud I guess [02:47] ubuntu 9.10 / ck804 sound card w/ alsa. alsa finds it, oob installation plays other stuff. jackd gives bus error attempting to control device hw:0 and that's all it will tell me even if verbose is set on. bus error results in all other apps refusing to start after that. Most of the howto/helps I've found are ancient. Is there an identified problem here? [02:49] ive found that jackd/alsa is broken in 9.10 [02:49] :( [02:49] I should say 'well known problem with well known solution'. [02:52] I was really hoping you were going to say ck804 rather than alsa. I got an m-audio 2496 in a box back home. [04:34] Jack is getting tons of xruns before I even run any other programs. I've been doing a bunch of troubleshooting (some of which is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1407904) and I'm pretty stuck. How can I test if it's a hardware issue or rt-kernel issue or something like that? [04:37] that is a good questino Monona [04:37] what is the sound deviec? [04:37] device? [04:37] * [04:38] Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) [04:38] what kind of latency are you expecting? [04:39] what are you jack settings? [04:39] i would suggest staring there [04:39] relaxing those settings [04:39] I'd take any latency, frankly, if I could get rid of these xruns. [04:40] have you tried increasing your buffer to 2048 or above [04:40] 1024 Frames/period, Sample rate 44100, 2 periods/buffer [04:41] try increasing those settings [04:41] until you get a latency of around 50+ ms [04:41] to test [04:41] you might not want to have that all the time [04:41] also what are you using to configure jackd, as if you've got the -rt kernel you can enable realtime [04:42] but that might help troubleshoot [04:42] I get ALSA: cannot set period size to 2048 frames for playback [04:42] :| [04:42] good call Blank__ [04:42] the RT ckeckbox [04:42] qjackctl, RT checkbox, checked! [04:43] was that checked before? [04:43] Latency at 1024 is frames/period is 46.4 ms. [04:43] Yup. [04:43] oh... [04:43] it could be hardware interrupts messing things up... [04:44] try unchecking RT and see what happens [04:44] hell [04:44] :p [04:44] Output of cat /proc/interrupts here: http://pastebin.com/7uxV6UqJ [04:44] you could try a generic kernel and no checkbox [04:45] so that's on IRQ 16... [04:45] how many usb things do you have plugged in [04:46] thats basically the only other thing of note on that interrupt [04:46] 3 USB things: keyboard, mouse, external HD [04:46] 16: 2576519 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi uhci_hcd:usb4, HDA Intel, ivtv0 [04:46] so xruns just idling? [04:46] that the one? [04:46] not ideal [04:46] yeah, HDA Intel [04:47] holstein: As far as I can tell. [04:47] i had a laptop [04:47] How do I move it to different IRQ? [04:47] with usb on the firewire port [04:47] and when i had anything in that USB port [04:47] xruns and crashes [04:47] Blank__: Yeah, we're talking multiple xruns/second without any other programs. [04:47] no way to change it in the bios on my machine [04:48] Monona: i think this is plausible [04:48] you should look in the bios [04:48] and see if you can change it [04:48] since linux is plug n' play you can theoretically reassign IRQs [04:48] independent of the bios [04:48] i did not think of that [04:48] I know approximately zero about the bios, but I'm happy to learn. [04:48] How would I do this? [04:48] i just assumed i was stuck with it that way [04:49] the bios on my gigabyte is an absolute pain, and due to it my firewire soundcard drops samples randomly in windows, but works perfectly in linux [04:49] Monona: i would google for whatever machine you got [04:49] and see how get into the bios [04:50] that would be easy [04:50] it's probably an award bios or phoenix [04:50] easy enough [04:50] probably pressing DEL, ESC, or F1 at startup [04:50] might say [04:50] when you start up the computer [04:51] 'press F1 to enter set-up" [04:51] something like that [04:51] Yeah, that I know. But what to do when I'm there, that's the question. [04:51] hmmm [04:51] might say IRQ settings [04:51] internal devices [04:52] onboard devices [04:52] something like that [04:52] IF its even there [04:53] Hm...I'll try, but failing that, what can I do in Linux? [04:54] i just learned that you could change the settings from Blank__ :) [04:54] theoretically [04:54] :) [04:55] Alright, I'm gonna give it a shot in BIOS. [04:55] I'll be back... [05:09] holstein, Blank__: [05:09] whats the good news Monona ? [05:11] Restarted with regular kernel. Nothing in BIOS was useful. Less xruns (still some), but I've got this crackly sound, almost like the internal mix is clipping. Alsamixer looks ok, tho. [05:11] I'm kinda hoping that changing the IRQ might sort this out, cuz I'm stuck. [05:12] it looks plausible [05:12] 16: 2576519 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi uhci_hcd:usb4, HDA Intel, ivtv0 [05:12] having 4 things there [05:12] not ideal [05:13] Right, I just have to change HDA Intel to IRQ 13 or something, maybe? [05:13] yeah [05:13] The lower the IRQ, the higher the priority, right? [05:13] off by itself if possible [05:13] would be great [05:13] im not sure about the priority of the numbers [05:14] i just no you dont want a bunch of other stuff on the same one with your audio card [05:14] OH [05:14] if you get an actual interface [05:14] Makes sense. [05:14] a usb interface or something [05:15] 1394 is with you ethernet [05:15] I have a M-Audio Ozone with an onboard sound card, but it's a whole different process to get that working. [05:15] you got a few kindof isolated USB ports [05:15] but usb is not ideal either [05:16] Like an external sound card? [05:16] eah [05:16] yeah* [05:16] internal sound cards are not great anyways [05:17] if you had access to something you could try out [05:17] maybe something from bestbuy you could return [05:17] I'll probably end up getting one, but I'd like to try to get this working on its own. [05:18] http://www.amazon.com/PreSonus-FireBox-Firewire-Recording-Interface/dp/B0006VYH1Q [05:18] something like this [05:18] would really step up your rig [05:18] and grow with you somewhat [05:19] Is it Linux-friendly? [05:20] i got the presonus firepod [05:20] it works great [05:20] i would search around [05:20] look at the ffado site and forum for it [05:20] and make sure [05:21] there are some extra hoops to hop through for firewire devices [05:21] BUT i think its worth it [05:21] compared to a USB device [05:22] This is a new computer, and I'm not sure it's even got firewire. [05:22] (new to me, that is) [05:22] 20: 87367 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi ohci1394, eth0 [05:23] That's my firewire? [05:23] i think ohci1394 is your firewire [05:23] Good to know. [05:23] Alright, I'm in the regular ubuntu channel trying to change the IRQ. Let's see how that goes. [05:24] COOL [05:24] Monona: come to #opensourcemusicians when you get a chance... [05:24] good luck [13:22] hi guys, just being curious, i just installed ubuntustudio-desktop in ubuntu, and i was expecting to get to choose Gnome,KDE, or ubuntustudio at the login screen, or is Ubuntustudio just a collection of AV packages [13:23] i typed in terminal as ' apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop' [13:26] zeko: apt-get install usplash-theme-ubuntustudio [13:26] no sorry, misunderstood [13:26] astraljava: i have the theme [13:26] apt-get install ubuntustudio-gdm-theme [13:26] Right. [13:27] astraljava: i was thinking if i could get it as an option like GNOME, KDE. [13:27] Don't know about that, perhaps you can just select it when at the greeter. [13:28] astraljava: it wasnt there. [13:29] astraljava: is it a collection of packages and apps? or a separate distro? [13:32] Both, the packages are freely available for all ubuntu users though. [13:42] zeko: its a collection of packages with some nice default settings. [13:44] jussi01 : yeah got it, it has created a ' Audio production' Menu at sound and video secion, i think i need to install the gdm theme for the look , Thanks [13:44] !vanilla [13:44] To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation [13:58] anyone familiar with software studios like ableton "LIVE!" and Reason? [16:06] Hi to all. This is my first chat on #ubuntustudio [16:07] Was trying to enter irc channels through SamePlace Firefox addon [16:09] Not a succes i must tell, but after installing xchat-gnome it was peace of cake [16:10] I will come back later in the evening, now is dinner time :-) [23:55] hey