[00:18] <gimbal> hi, got one question about ubuntustudio: does it provide any more up-to-date packages than a regular 'stable' more-upstream ubuntu release would?
[00:18] <gimbal> considering migrating my desktop from Debian Lenny to Ubuntu, just want to look into the Ubuntustudio distro before making that move
[00:18] <gimbal> and that's the sole question I have about it
[00:20] <holstein> hey gimbal
[00:20] <holstein> basically
[00:20] <gimbal> hulloa
[00:20] <holstein> ubuntustudio is just software
[00:20] <gimbal> yah
[00:21] <holstein> you can add it to a vanilla ubuntu install
[00:21] <gimbal> and marketing kinda, I'd pitch in, heh
[00:21] <holstein> pulls from the same repo
[00:22] <holstein> you do audio production in lenny?
[00:22] <gimbal> starting to
[00:22] <holstein> cool
[00:22] <gimbal> bugged that there's no ardour in lenny
[00:23] <holstein> you might want to look at 64studio
[00:23] <holstein> you can add AFAIK
[00:23] <gimbal> already had to reinstall after a grub upgrade broke my boot sequence, under the 'unstable' branch heh
[00:23] <gimbal> cool
[00:23] <holstein> the 64studio repos to lenny
[00:23] <holstein> the newer 64studio 3.x is hardy based
[00:24] <gimbal> hey that's nice to see - what I can glance of their business model on short review anyways, heh
[00:24] <holstein> but i think they still maintain an older repo for debain
[00:24] <holstein> debian*
[00:24] <holstein> not a lot of support though
[00:24] <holstein> he IRC channel is dead
[00:24] <holstein> and i had mixed luck with the mailinglist
[00:25] <holstein> cant really beat ubuntu when it come to that :)
[00:25] <gimbal> i c
[00:25] <holstein> gimbal: /j #opensourcemusicians :)
[00:27] <gimbal> ahh heh; just kind of researching an installation right now, and shooting the bulll; got more admin stuff to do about that, before I can go too much further about it
[00:28] <holstein> well, good luck
[00:28] <holstein> ubuntustudio is well maintained and stable
[00:29] <holstein> you will enjoy :)
[00:31] <gimbal> thanks
[01:05] <gimbal> so it looks like I could put ubuntu and the ubuntustudio bundles onto my  laptop, and connect  it to my dekstop via netjack
[01:06] <gimbal> ...if I can just figure out how to get the hdmi output working on the laptop, it's what's connecting it to the monitor
[01:07] <gimbal> under linux; just thinking out loud I guess
[02:47] <claybustr> ubuntu 9.10 / ck804 sound card w/ alsa. alsa finds it, oob installation plays other stuff. jackd gives bus error attempting to control device hw:0 and that's all it will tell me even if verbose is set on. bus error results in all other apps refusing to start after that. Most of the howto/helps I've found are ancient. Is there an identified problem here?
[02:49] <Blank__> ive found that jackd/alsa is broken in 9.10
[02:49] <Blank__> :(
[02:49] <claybustr> I should say 'well known problem with well known solution'.
[02:52] <claybustr> I was really hoping you were going to say ck804 rather than alsa. I got an m-audio 2496 in a box back home.
[04:34] <Monona> ﻿Jack is getting tons of xruns before I even run any other programs.  I've been doing a bunch of troubleshooting (some of which is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1407904) and I'm pretty stuck.  How can I test if it's a hardware issue or rt-kernel issue or something like that?
[04:37] <holstein> that is a good questino Monona
[04:37] <holstein> what is the sound deviec?
[04:37] <holstein> device?
[04:37] <holstein> *
[04:38] <Monona> Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[04:38] <holstein> what kind of latency are you expecting?
[04:39] <holstein> what are you jack settings?
[04:39] <holstein> i would suggest staring there
[04:39] <holstein> relaxing those settings
[04:39] <Monona> I'd take any latency, frankly, if I could get rid of these xruns.
[04:40] <Blank__> have you tried increasing your buffer to 2048 or above
[04:40] <Monona> 1024 Frames/period, Sample rate 44100, 2 periods/buffer
[04:41] <holstein> try increasing those settings
[04:41] <holstein> until you get a latency of around 50+ ms
[04:41] <holstein> to test
[04:41] <holstein> you might not want to have that all the time
[04:41] <Blank__> also what are you using to configure jackd, as if you've got the -rt kernel you can enable realtime
[04:42] <holstein> but that might help troubleshoot
[04:42] <Monona> I get  ALSA: cannot set period size to 2048 frames for playback
[04:42] <Blank__> :|
[04:42] <holstein> good call Blank__
[04:42] <holstein> the RT ckeckbox
[04:42] <Monona> qjackctl, RT checkbox, checked!
[04:43] <Blank__> was that checked before?
[04:43] <Monona> Latency at 1024 is frames/period is 46.4 ms.
[04:43] <Monona> Yup.
[04:43] <Blank__> oh...
[04:43] <Blank__> it could be hardware interrupts messing things up...
[04:44] <Blank__> try unchecking RT and see what happens
[04:44] <holstein> hell
[04:44] <Blank__> :p
[04:44] <Monona> Output of cat /proc/interrupts here: http://pastebin.com/7uxV6UqJ
[04:44] <holstein> you could try a generic kernel and no checkbox
[04:45] <Blank__> so that's on IRQ 16...
[04:45] <Blank__> how many usb things do you have plugged in
[04:46] <Blank__> thats basically the only other thing of note on that interrupt
[04:46] <Monona> 3 USB things: keyboard, mouse, external HD
[04:46] <holstein> 16: 2576519 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi uhci_hcd:usb4, HDA Intel, ivtv0
[04:46] <Blank__> so xruns just idling?
[04:46] <holstein> that the one?
[04:46] <holstein> not ideal
[04:46] <Blank__> yeah, HDA Intel
[04:47] <Monona> holstein: As far as I can tell.
[04:47] <holstein> i had a laptop
[04:47] <Monona> How do I move it to different IRQ?
[04:47] <holstein> with usb on the firewire port
[04:47] <holstein> and when i had anything in that USB port
[04:47] <holstein> xruns and crashes
[04:47] <Monona> Blank__: Yeah, we're talking multiple xruns/second without any other programs.
[04:47] <holstein> no way to change it in the bios on my machine
[04:48] <holstein> Monona: i think this is plausible
[04:48] <holstein> you should look in the bios
[04:48] <holstein> and see if you can change it
[04:48] <Blank__> since linux is plug n' play you can theoretically reassign IRQs
[04:48] <Blank__> independent of the bios
[04:48] <holstein> i did not think of that
[04:48] <Monona> I know approximately zero about the bios, but I'm happy to learn.
[04:48] <Monona> How would I do this?
[04:48] <holstein> i just assumed i was stuck with it that way
[04:49] <Blank__> the bios on my gigabyte is an absolute pain, and due to it my firewire soundcard drops samples randomly in windows, but works perfectly in linux
[04:49] <holstein> Monona: i would google for whatever machine you got
[04:49] <holstein> and see how get into the bios
[04:50] <holstein> that would be easy
[04:50] <Blank__> it's probably an award bios or phoenix
[04:50] <holstein> easy enough
[04:50] <Blank__> probably pressing DEL, ESC, or F1 at startup
[04:50] <holstein> might say
[04:50] <holstein> when you start up the computer
[04:51] <holstein> 'press F1 to enter set-up"
[04:51] <holstein> something like that
[04:51] <Monona> Yeah, that I know.  But what to do when I'm there, that's the question.
[04:51] <holstein> hmmm
[04:51] <holstein> might say IRQ settings
[04:51] <holstein> internal devices
[04:52] <holstein> onboard devices
[04:52] <holstein> something like that
[04:52] <holstein> IF its even there
[04:53] <Monona> Hm...I'll try, but failing that, what can I do in Linux?
[04:54] <holstein> i just learned that you could change the settings from Blank__ :)
[04:54] <holstein> theoretically
[04:54] <Monona> :)
[04:55] <Monona> Alright, I'm gonna give it a shot in BIOS.
[04:55] <Monona> I'll be back...
[05:09] <Monona> holstein, Blank__:
[05:09] <holstein> whats the good news Monona ?
[05:11] <Monona> Restarted with regular kernel.  Nothing in BIOS was useful.  Less xruns (still some), but I've got this crackly sound, almost like the internal mix is clipping.  Alsamixer looks ok, tho.
[05:11] <Monona> I'm kinda hoping that changing the IRQ might sort this out, cuz I'm stuck.
[05:12] <holstein> it looks plausible
[05:12] <holstein> 16: 2576519 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi uhci_hcd:usb4, HDA Intel, ivtv0
[05:12] <holstein> having 4 things there
[05:12] <holstein> not ideal
[05:13] <Monona> Right, I just have to change HDA Intel to IRQ 13 or something, maybe?
[05:13] <holstein> yeah
[05:13] <Monona> The lower the IRQ, the higher the priority, right?
[05:13] <holstein> off by itself if possible
[05:13] <holstein> would be great
[05:13] <holstein> im not sure about the priority of the numbers
[05:14] <holstein> i just no you dont want a bunch of other stuff on the same one with your audio card
[05:14] <holstein> OH
[05:14] <holstein> if you get an actual interface
[05:14] <Monona> Makes sense.
[05:14] <holstein> a usb interface or something
[05:15] <holstein> 1394 is with you ethernet
[05:15] <Monona> I have a M-Audio Ozone with an onboard sound card, but it's a whole different process to get that working.
[05:15] <holstein> you got a few kindof isolated USB ports
[05:15] <holstein> but usb is not ideal either
[05:16] <Monona> Like an external sound card?
[05:16] <holstein> eah
[05:16] <holstein> yeah*
[05:16] <holstein> internal sound cards are not great anyways
[05:17] <holstein> if you had access to something you could try out
[05:17] <holstein> maybe something from bestbuy you could return
[05:17] <Monona> I'll probably end up getting one, but I'd like to try to get this working on its own.
[05:18] <holstein> http://www.amazon.com/PreSonus-FireBox-Firewire-Recording-Interface/dp/B0006VYH1Q
[05:18] <holstein> something like this
[05:18] <holstein> would really step up your rig
[05:18] <holstein> and grow with you somewhat
[05:19] <Monona> Is it Linux-friendly?
[05:20] <holstein> i got the presonus firepod
[05:20] <holstein> it works great
[05:20] <holstein> i would search around
[05:20] <holstein> look at the ffado site and forum for it
[05:20] <holstein> and make sure
[05:21] <holstein> there are some extra hoops to hop through for firewire devices
[05:21] <holstein> BUT i think its worth it
[05:21] <holstein> compared to a USB device
[05:22] <Monona> This is a new computer, and I'm not sure it's even got firewire.
[05:22] <Monona> (new to me, that is)
[05:22] <holstein> 20: 87367 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi ohci1394, eth0
[05:23] <Monona> That's my firewire?
[05:23] <holstein> i think ohci1394 is your firewire
[05:23] <Monona> Good to know.
[05:23] <Monona> Alright, I'm in the regular ubuntu channel trying to change the IRQ.  Let's see how that goes.
[05:24] <holstein> COOL
[05:24] <holstein> Monona: come to #opensourcemusicians when you get a chance...
[05:24] <holstein> good luck
[13:22] <zeko> hi guys, just being curious, i just installed ubuntustudio-desktop in ubuntu, and i was expecting to get to choose Gnome,KDE, or ubuntustudio at the login screen, or is Ubuntustudio just a collection of AV packages
[13:23] <zeko> i typed in terminal as ' apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop'
[13:26] <astraljava> zeko: apt-get install usplash-theme-ubuntustudio
[13:26] <astraljava> no sorry, misunderstood
[13:26] <zeko> astraljava: i have the theme
[13:26] <astraljava> apt-get install ubuntustudio-gdm-theme
[13:26] <astraljava> Right.
[13:27] <zeko> astraljava: i was thinking if i could get it as an option like GNOME, KDE.
[13:27] <astraljava> Don't know about that, perhaps you can just select it when at the greeter.
[13:28] <zeko> astraljava: it wasnt there.
[13:29] <zeko> astraljava: is it a collection of packages and apps? or a separate distro?
[13:32] <astraljava> Both, the packages are freely available for all ubuntu users though.
[13:42] <jussi01> zeko: its a collection of packages with some nice default settings.
[13:44] <zeko> jussi01 : yeah got it, it has created a ' Audio production' Menu at sound and video secion, i think i need to install the gdm theme for the look , Thanks
[13:44] <jussi01> !vanilla
[13:58] <Zus> anyone familiar with software studios like ableton "LIVE!" and Reason?
[16:06] <RemunJ66> Hi to all. This is my first chat on #ubuntustudio
[16:07] <RemunJ66> Was trying to enter irc channels through SamePlace Firefox addon
[16:09] <RemunJ66> Not a succes i must tell, but after installing xchat-gnome it was peace of cake
[16:10] <RemunJ66> I will come back later in the evening, now is dinner time :-)
[23:55] <ShadeS> hey