[00:10] <raj>  GUYS i HAVE finally completed my AUDIO FIX post on the forums. if any of you are having problems with the sound. follow the steps in this link: you can thank me later :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8789064   3 STEPS are provided try them and see if any works for you:)
[00:13] <raj> hey guys what do you use instead of gedit in xubuntu?
[00:14] <charlie-tca> mousepad
[03:26] <leming> can i pull a serial number out of my OS...this computer has no serial nuymber on it?
[03:26] <leming> all stickers gone?
[03:30] <EndlessNameless> why would someone ask a question, wait 2 minutes and then part the channel?
[03:30] <EndlessNameless> makes no sense
[03:32] <raevol> EndlessNameless: some people don't use IRC much, they don't understand how it works
[03:34] <EndlessNameless> ahh yeah, i suppose so. still strikes me as kind of impatient.
[03:35]  * genii does a sudo lshw -C system | grep serial:
[04:07] <Balsaq> good evening Legends of The Code...
[07:34] <Evet> how to change xfce's default file manager?
[07:43] <gil> How do I figure out a version of a package in a Terminal?
[07:45] <Sysi-> aptitude show $package
[07:46] <Gil_> Thanks a lot.
[10:08] <Balsaq> what id the terminal command, which will tell me the serial number of my computer?
[10:08] <Balsaq> id=is*
[10:10] <knome> Balsaq, serial number?
[10:11] <Balsaq> hey
[10:11] <Balsaq> a girl want me to do soemthing to her computer...gateway wants to know the serial number...it has none on the case or in the case?
[10:12] <Balsaq> so i wonder if a terminal command would reveal it
[10:12] <Balsaq> now someone telle me: dmidecode
[10:12] <Balsaq> hmmm maybe it will work
[10:12] <bazhang> didn't someone in ##linux just suggest something?
[10:12] <Balsaq> that is what i just said!
[10:13] <Balsaq> 05:12
[10:13] <Balsaq> i asked it in 2 places
[10:13] <Sysi>  sudo lshw -C system | grep serial:
[10:13] <bazhang> perhaps if you explained the 'something' you want to do, it would be more helpful
[10:13] <Sysi> someone asked here earlier :)
[10:13] <Balsaq> thank you Sysi
[10:14] <Balsaq> that is different than the person suggsted in linux, it will be nice 2 have 2 chances
[10:17] <Balsaq> bazhang: what i want to do is learn how to retrieve a serial number when there is no visible one on the computer case. i think betweeen the 2 answers i got, i will be able to retrieve the serial number.
[10:18] <bazhang> Balsaq, why would you need it is the question
[10:18] <Balsaq> becasue she has asked to to do a complete reinstallation and i cannot locate the correct drivers from gateway unless i give them a serial number.
[10:27] <Balsaq> well... thank you all for taking interest in this question.
[11:33] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Hello, it is me again. Installed xubuntu successfully on a bit ancient machine, 600MHz, 256RAM, 10GB HDD 5400. However, there isn't seem to be Bulgarian BDS keyboard layout, just two phonetics. BDS is present in ubuntu and kubuntu however. Ideas?
[11:35] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Could changing keyboard type (i. e. US, US International, etc.) affect available layouts?
[11:36] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Hmph, quite quiet today :)
[11:38] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Um, anyone?
[11:41] <Kangarooo> just try something changing. try changing layouts try adding language
[11:42] <Kangarooo> [BG]ZloboMiR: i think ading language will help. left click top panlel add new items
[11:42] <Kangarooo> Keyboard layouts
[11:43] <[BG]ZloboMiR> ok, just a moment, the machine in ? is already deployed on the first floor :)
[11:43] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Ah, the gadjet you mean
[11:43] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Added it
[11:44] <[BG]ZloboMiR> And from there selected Ctrl+Shift as key for changing
[11:44] <[BG]ZloboMiR> But it is still only phonetic
[11:44] <Kangarooo> then go in its properties (left click icon properties)
[11:44] <Kangarooo> what? gadjet? maybe in ur language its gadgjed
[11:45] <Kangarooo> add language
[11:45] <[BG]ZloboMiR> just a moment
[11:45] <[BG]ZloboMiR> will try chat from there..
[11:47] <Kangarooo> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot634.php [BG]ZloboMiR
[11:50] <lubka> Hello, it is me, Zlobi
[11:51] <lubka> Start over pls
[11:51] <TheSheep> lubka: pardon?
[11:52] <lubka> Kangarooo, was about to explain about adding kbd layout :)
[11:52] <lubka> I am [BG]Zlobomir, this is the PC in ?
[11:55] <lubka> So, I am clicking on the flag, Properties, Add, there is no BDS under Bulgaria, just two phonetics
[11:56] <lubka> xubuntu , forgot to mention
[11:56] <lubka> xubuntu 9.10, forgot numlock
[11:57] <Kangarooo> for numloc to alway be on on start install numlockx or numlocx
[12:00] <lubka> this is minor :)
[12:00] <lubka> Letś fix BDS
[12:00] <Kangarooo> whats BDS?
[12:01] <lubka> BDS = Bulgarian National Standart.It is alternative kbd layout, widely used
[12:01] <lubka> I can give you the map
[12:02] <Kangarooo> no no i dont know how to fix something :)
[12:02] <Kangarooo> i know only bug reporting for now
[12:02] <Kangarooo> post bug to launchpad
[12:03] <lubka> Say, if in BG phonetic С is on S key, in BDS S is on I (right to U) key
[12:04] <lubka> Well, this is not a bug, I would call it mising function
[12:04] <lubka> Do you have ubuntu or kubuntu around?
[12:04] <lubka> You can check the Bulgarian layouts there
[12:05] <lubka> Or can I edit sone conf file?
[12:05] <lubka> Which, where?
[12:06] <bazhang> lubka, have you asked in #ubuntu-bg ?
[12:07] <lubka> Но, гоод идеа :)
[12:07] <lubka> 10ь
[12:07] <lubka> good idea :)
[12:07] <bazhang> np
[12:07] <lubka> 10x and bye
[12:09] <lubka> I just founded #xubuntu-bg :)
[12:09] <lubka> no one there
[12:10] <bazhang> 'founded' ?
[12:11] <lubka> made the channel ;)
[12:11] <bazhang> you'd need the Ubuntu irc council approval for that
[12:11] <lubka> No, I mean there is not much helpthere
[12:21] <kora> hi, i'm using karmic and i tried to remove the gtk menus in the windows.  i tried to put "export GTK_MODULES=globalmenu-gnome" in my bashrc, zshrc and profile, after logoff/reboot the menus still are there. where would be the place to put this so it works?
[12:25] <lubka> kora, if I understand right, you installed KDE over Gnome and want to remove Gnome
[12:25] <lubka> There is not an automated way for this afaik
[12:26] <deathcannon> here's the wiki if this is what you meant?
[12:26] <deathcannon> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
[12:26] <bazhang> also !purekde
[12:27] <lubka> good that there is a list already :)
[12:28] <kora> lubka: no, i only have xfce. what i want is to set the environment variable before xfce is loaded. this variable removes all menu bars from any gtk windows
[12:28] <kora> it is required for xfce-globalmenu plugin to work
[12:30] <deathcannon> http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/wiki/FAQ
[12:31] <deathcannon> check the 10th entry
[12:31] <kora> that crashes my xfce
[12:31] <kora> i tried that
[12:32] <kora> i had a setup on 9.04 where i put the export line in my .profile
[12:32] <kora> this worked
[12:32] <deathcannon> hmm, odd
[12:32] <kora> but it seems to not work on 9.10 anymore (don't ask me why)
[12:33] <kora> *rebooting
[12:41] <lubka> All: regarding BDS, fixed. It is just not very user-friendly to select just Bulgaria to have it. I was opening it as a menu :)
[12:49] <lubka> bye and thanks to all for help
[13:07] <Kangarooo> omfg. another bug.
[13:08] <jarnos> My removable drive is not automounted anymore, even if set to be.
[13:10] <Kangarooo> i installed chrome since theres 1px firefox bug- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/530034
[13:10] <Kangarooo> but ithought the pidgin doesnt understand witch is default browser so i made bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/531325
[13:10] <Kangarooo> but actually i just opened about window of keyboard layout plugin and clicked button Heres more plugins. and it also opened in firefox..
[13:10] <Kangarooo> so not pidgin doesnt understands witch is default but whole xubuntu doesnt understands
[13:15] <deathcannon> did you try going through settings->preferred applications and setting it there?
[13:16] <Kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+bug/531325
[13:16] <Kangarooo> deathcannon: chrome on 1st start asked do i want it to be default and i put that.
[13:17] <Kangarooo> as in bug is written yes i checked prefered apps and chrome is checked there
[13:17] <mr_pouit> then that's a pidgin bug
[13:18] <Kangarooo> no couse in xubuntu programm. wtf.. ive already wrote
[13:18] <mr_pouit> yeah, so that's a pidgin but because it doesn't care of xfce's preferences
[13:18] <Kangarooo> ive clicked keyboard layout about window. theres button Other plugins awailable
[13:18] <Kangarooo> ive clciked it and again in ff
[13:19] <Kangarooo> so its maybe also a pidgin problem but definatly a xubuntu problem
[13:19] <mr_pouit> did you try to close & reopen your session first?
[13:19] <Kangarooo> xubuntu also doesnt care for its preferences. yes i restarted pc
[13:20] <deathcannon> try removing ff then?
[13:20] <mr_pouit> and check which browser is by default at the system level: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[13:20] <Kangarooo> im gonna still need it. thats not a solution
[13:22] <Kangarooo> There are 2 choices for the alternative x-www-browser (providing /usr/bin/x-www-browser).  Selection    Path                    Priority   Status-----------------------------------------------------------* 0            /usr/bin/firefox-3.5     40        auto mode  1            /usr/bin/firefox-3.5     40        manual mode 2            /usr/bin/google-chrome   35        manual mode Press enter to keep the current choice[*], or type selection number:
[13:23] <mr_pouit> then select the one you want
[13:24] <Kangarooo> then write in istallation that xubuntu is unable to understand whats set in settings
[13:24] <deathcannon> you can just temporarely remove ff to make troubleshooting easier
[13:24] <Kangarooo> no better then write in installation that it doesnt works. dont suggest to everyone to do theese commands to make chrome default.
[13:25] <Kangarooo> im ok with not using special commands but someking of bug there is and a solution needs to come with next update
[13:25] <deathcannon> sorry, i for one ca't understand  what you are saying
[13:27] <Kangarooo> what would u do if 100 peolpe now comes in channel and asks about this same problem? again give this command to set it manually? there are already 100 people who just happen not to be in this channel. so a bug needs to be removed
[13:27] <deathcannon> well, it works for me
[13:28] <mr_pouit> same here
[13:28] <knome> Kangarooo, it's a bug in pidgin, not xubuntu.
[13:28] <mr_pouit> it doesn't mean there's no bug
[13:28] <bazhang> a bug with chrome?
[13:29] <Kangarooo> 5 days ago i installed xubuntu for 4 friends. i can also go to their computers and do the same thing again. install chrome add as default open link.
[13:29] <bazhang> chrome is not part of xubuntu, is it?
[13:29] <mr_pouit> it not even part of the repositories (only in lucid)
[13:29] <Kangarooo> knome: if u read then ull see that i opened also a link from keyboard plugin about window. its a xubuntu bug
[13:29] <mr_pouit> *it's
[13:29] <bazhang> Kangarooo, you are using lucid?
[13:29] <Kangarooo> 9.10
[13:30] <bazhang> Kangarooo, and how was chrome installed?
[13:30] <Kangarooo> from http://www.google.com/chrome
[13:31] <bazhang> that's not a supported installation afaik
[13:31] <Kangarooo> wait ill give screenshot what else i clicked so no one again says its pidgin only bug.
[13:32] <mr_pouit> anyway, if you want, file a bug for your keyboard layout about window, but add all info needed to reproduce it
[13:32] <bazhang> !bug > Kangarooo
[13:32] <Kangarooo> this is where i clicked and it opened still in FF http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-244.php
[13:34] <Kangarooo> Here more news.. when i clicked open large picture as in here http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-427.php it opened in chrome
[13:35] <Kangarooo> so some programms read one settings other read other settings
[13:37] <Kangarooo> where bugs for xubuntu are filled? Xubuntu does not use Launchpad for bug tracking.
[13:38] <mr_pouit> you need to file bugs against packages, not projects
[13:38] <mr_pouit> so use the link "also affects package", not "also affects projects"
[13:38] <mr_pouit> "also affects distribution" (not packages, it doesn't exist)
[13:39] <Kangarooo> i have only Also affects project Also affects distribution Nominate for releaseA
[13:41] <Kangarooo> ah ok so distribution
[13:42] <Kangarooo> then whats the name of this programm? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-244.php
[13:43] <mr_pouit> probably xfce4-xkb-plugin
[13:48] <Psilocybin_Elf> I'm gonna be installing 9.10 on my bro's laptop later (I'm using 8.10 on mine) but I hear there's issues with Flash in 9.10
[13:48] <Psilocybin_Elf> Should I install 8.10 instead..? Is it more stable?
[13:49] <Sysi> there shouldn't be more problems that in flash overall
[13:49] <Sysi> if you want stable, 8.04 is lts
[13:49] <Sysi> but next, 10.04 will replace it
[13:50] <Sysi> !intrepid
[13:50] <Sysi> lets see how long it's supported
[13:50] <bazhang> 18 months
[13:51] <Kangarooo> yes Psilocybin_Elf i made one bug about flash also. theres link on video. but it doesnt affect youtube. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/530062
[13:51] <Psilocybin_Elf> Ok, that's cool
[13:52] <Psilocybin_Elf> I was just wondering, as long as 9.10 can play YouTube vids ok then it should be cool
[13:52] <Kangarooo> it only affected only one websites flash for now. speedtest
[13:52]  * Psilocybin_Elf nods.
[13:52] <Psilocybin_Elf> How long will 9.10 be supported for?
[13:53] <Kangarooo> if ull experience some more flash flickering find that bug and add video or link
[13:53] <Kangarooo> it doesnt matter. on next realease ill upgrade :)
[13:53] <bazhang> non-lts 18 months
[13:54] <Kangarooo> yes some specific date
[13:54] <Psilocybin_Elf> Ok
[13:54] <Kangarooo> i mean some specific count of months
[13:54] <Psilocybin_Elf> 8.10 is April isn't it?
[13:55] <Kangarooo> 8.04 comes in month nr 4. 8.10 comes in month nr 10
[13:55] <Kangarooo> no month nr 10 is october
[13:56] <Kangarooo> first nr is year in row. second nr is month of comming out. and comming out happens every 6 months
[13:56] <Kangarooo> so only 04 and 10 occurs
[13:57] <Psilocybin_Elf> I should update more regularly
[13:57] <Psilocybin_Elf> But I never get round to it...
[13:57] <Psilocybin_Elf> 8.10 seemed pretty stable to me
[13:57] <Psilocybin_Elf> So I stuck with it
[13:57] <Kangarooo> to me too
[13:58] <Psilocybin_Elf> Had I known 9.10 didn't use PulseAudio I would've upgraded sooner
[13:58] <Psilocybin_Elf> That's what put me off...horror stories from Ubuntu users about PulseAudio
[14:02] <Kangarooo> where horror in there? tell me :)
[14:05] <Psilocybin_Elf> Just ppl saying how horrible Pulse was....clippy sound, etc.
[14:05] <Psilocybin_Elf> No sound output & stuff
[14:05] <Psilocybin_Elf> ALSA works fine for me
[14:11] <Balsaq> good morning Xubuntu...
[14:14] <Kangarooo> its 16L14 in latvia
[14:14] <Kangarooo> and its snowing
[14:15] <Psilocybin_Elf> Holy drok!
[14:15] <Psilocybin_Elf> Snowing.......Spring has arrived here
[14:17] <Kangarooo> what is drok?
[14:17] <Kangarooo> where ar u?
[14:19] <Psilocybin_Elf> UK
[14:19] <jarnos> I guess hald was crashed
[14:21] <PimR> I'm runnin
[14:21] <PimR> 
[14:22] <Balsaq> i am in the eastern usa...lots of snow here-iam freezing
[14:22] <Balsaq> new england...
[14:23] <PimR> I'm running VMware Version 2.0 (116369), just installed Xubuntu 9.10 amd64, instalation is fine, but installing vmware-tools breaks the whole install
[14:23] <PimR> won't go past log-in screen, as if x11 is broken
[14:26] <PimR> installed gcc and all, but the script can't build some parts of the tool
[14:31] <Balsaq> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-vmware-server-2-0-x-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic.html
[14:36] <PimR> running vmware fusion on mac osx as host
[14:38] <Balsaq> oh sorry
[14:40] <PimR> its ok
[14:40] <PimR> maybe just should upgrade my vmware
[14:44] <Kangarooo> what for u need vmware? maybe if good reason ill use it too
[14:45] <PimR> well I use vmware fusion to run xubuntu in OS X.
[14:47] <mr_pouit> PimR: what's the symptoms? Does it display the blue loading screen with sparkles?
[14:47] <PimR> yes
[14:48] <PimR> and then flickers
[14:48] <PimR> and I get the log in screen again
[14:48] <Kangarooo> ive found a new bug. screensaver not working. and another one- no place to remove screen getting black
[14:48] <deathcannon> PimR: try selecting the other Xfce session when logging in, there might be two
[14:48] <mr_pouit> Kangarooo: gnome-screensaver won't auto-enable in 9.10, that's a known issue
[14:49] <PimR> there are two, both do the same
[14:49] <PimR> and why are there two :P
[14:49] <mr_pouit> PimR: try to disable/uninstall xsplash, and see if it improves (sudo mv /usr/bin/xsplash /usr/bin/xsplash.disabled)
[14:50] <PimR> will do
[14:50] <mr_pouit> PimR: because one is the xfce session, and the other is a symbolic link called default.desktop (used by gdm to know which one is the default session). And in xubuntu, default.desktop points to xfce.desktop.
[14:51] <mr_pouit> (that's why gdm thinks there are two session =])
[14:51] <PimR> ok, but why should one work, and the other not
[14:51] <mr_pouit> both work (or do not work :p)
[14:52] <deathcannon> well, i managed to screw up my session and just logged in with the other and it worked...
[14:53] <PimR> Well it broke when I installed vmware-tools
[14:53] <PimR> but I read on the net that it also occured just by changing desktop resolutions
[14:53] <Kangarooo> where can i change screen after some minutes to go black?
[14:53] <PimR> so gonna check that first
[14:53] <PimR> (gota fresh install)
[14:54] <PimR> yep
[14:54] <PimR> I just broke it with adjusting the resolution
[14:55] <mr_pouit> yeah, so try to disable xsplash
[14:55] <Kangarooo> my friend to who i installed xubuntu 9.10 5 days ago watched movie and he say after a while screen goes black. how to make not that happen while watching video or at least where to remove it?
[14:55] <deathcannon> Kangarooo: specifics?
[14:56] <Kangarooo> hess watching movie and screen goes black after a while. then he moves mouse and he can see movie again
[14:56] <deathcannon> that sounds like the default screensaver to me...
[14:57] <Kangarooo> itryd if its screensaver- put one screen saver to be after 1min. we waited and and screensaver didint came up after 1min
[14:57] <Kangarooo> not after 2min
[14:57] <deathcannon> what player is he using?
[14:59] <PimR> nice that works mr_pouit
[14:59] <PimR> what makes it break?
[15:00] <mr_pouit> xsplash uses the maximum resolution available. In the meantime, xfce4-settings-helper sets the resolution wanted by the user
[15:00] <mr_pouit> something goes wrong between them I guess
[15:00] <Kangarooo> deathcannon: vlc and about 10 to 15 min waiting makes screen black. but not screensaver. screensaver is put matrix and after 1min\
[15:00] <mr_pouit> and X crashes => returns to the login screen
[15:01] <Kangarooo> and screensaver doesnt comes up
[15:01] <Kangarooo> at least not that one. maybe screensaver it is and he cant read somehow seetings put in screensaver settings
[15:02] <Kangarooo> the default screesiver timer if i remember coretly was 5 min yes?
[15:02] <deathcannon> have your tried using another player and other video files?
[15:03] <Kangarooo> other players not tried other videos tryd yes. other videos cant change that.. other player can?
[15:04] <Kangarooo> so is there somwhere possible in some gui settings to change blank screen coming up?
[15:04] <deathcannon> try some other players to see if the same problem still persists
[15:07] <Kangarooo> so its not possible to remove black screen coming up? then its a bug that theres no settings gui
[15:07] <deathcannon> try another player so we can narrow down the problem
[15:07] <Kangarooo> ok ill try other
[15:07] <Kangarooo> then i can give result after 1h couse now is hockey on. ok?
[15:08] <Kangarooo> ah ill just put video to play silent. results in 20min
[15:08] <Kangarooo> so ill try movie player
[15:15] <PimR> well thanx for the fix mr_pouit
[15:15] <PimR> im off
[15:31] <Kangarooo> Latvia 5:3 Russia in hockey woohoo :)
[15:32] <Kangarooo> deathcannon: Tryd movie player and after 10 min not screensaver turns on but monitor turns off
[15:32] <deathcannon> the whole monitor turn off or it goes to standby?
[15:34] <Kangarooo> eeem to standby? whats the difference? well when mouse is moved then monitor turns on again
[15:34] <Kangarooo> im confused
[15:35] <deathcannon> okay, so then it's definitely standby mode. have a look at the power manament settings make sure the sleep timeout is set to never
[15:37] <Kangarooo> i dont have power management settings
[15:38] <Kangarooo> aaah i found it in settings manager
[15:38] <Kangarooo> why its not in just settings.. :( icould already 1h ago change then that
[15:39] <deathcannon> because it's different :)
[15:39] <Kangarooo> ah here is both display sleep and monitor turning off.. i think they should be together with screensaver settings
[15:40] <deathcannon> they are in regular ubuntu
[15:40] <deathcannon> just a little quirk of xubuntu i guess
[15:41] <Kangarooo> well here somthing to make change to :)
[15:41] <Kangarooo> what programming language is neede to know how to change/programm that?
[15:42] <Kangarooo> im sick of full bugs maybe i can somehow start changin something with tutorials
[15:42] <deathcannon> if you really want to change that much you should probably try another distro
[15:43] <Kangarooo> no. lets make xubuntu better
[15:43] <Kangarooo> xubuntu i like
[15:43] <knome> Kangarooo, programming language depends on the app where the bug is at
[15:43] <knome> Kangarooo, do you have any experience in programming?
[15:44] <Kangarooo> html and php only. tryd ruby on rail alittle. my work is more with advertisment project managment
[15:44] <knome> then you probably should try starting with learning maybe some python
[15:44] <knome> and gtk stuff
[15:45] <knome> is there anything PARTICULAR you'd like to fix?
[15:45] <knome> i mean, like some app having many bugs
[15:45] <deathcannon> he doesn't actually mean bugs... more like design features
[15:45] <PimR> yeah
[15:46] <deathcannon> like putting a button for the power managment with the screensaver-settings
[15:46] <knome> right, well is there any particular apps you think need more features?
[15:46] <Kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-xkb-plugin/+bug/531325 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/531262 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/530050 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/530034 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/529422
[15:46] <PimR> wall of text hits you for 100000
[15:46] <deathcannon> o_o
[15:46] <deathcannon> too much pasting
[15:47] <Kangarooo> some of them needs programming some only making changes and making good packages. so packagin ill also need to learn
[15:47] <knome> Kangarooo, https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide for fixing stuff in firefox.
[15:48] <Kangarooo> ok im writing it all down. notes
[15:48] <PimR> gl with that
[15:48] <PimR> byebye
[15:48] <mr_pouit> which ones are packaging issues?
[15:48] <knome> Kangarooo, and what comes for the xfce4-xkb-plugin, you probably should try adding a bug in the xfce bugzilla (bugs.xfce.org) and volunteer in fixing/coding the feature in, and you should get more info on how to start.
[15:49] <mr_pouit> (no, it's not a bug in xfce4-xkb-plugin, please don't)
[15:49] <knome> wishlist?
[15:49] <knome> :P
[15:49] <Kangarooo> bad package becouse it contains bad settings. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/531262 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/530034
[15:50] <mr_pouit> knome: this needs to be reproduced with an official package in lucid before (e.g. not chrome installed from a third party package in karmic)
[15:50] <knome> mr_pouit, aight.
[19:02] <slow-motion> hi
[19:15] <[BG]ZloboMiR> hi
[19:15] <[BG]ZloboMiR> slow-motion, just ask your ? after hi using coma, saves time :)
[19:16] <charlie-tca> Maybe slow-motion is just saying hi, though, without a question, today.
[19:16] <charlie-tca> Hello, [BG]ZloboMiR
[19:16] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Maybe... :)
[19:16] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I thought that a person enters a support channel only for help...
[19:17] <charlie-tca> No, many just idle in here, and say hi / goodbye coming and going
[19:18] <charlie-tca> Although it is impossible to know who is wanting help, too, when all they say is "hi"
[19:18] <[BG]ZloboMiR> that's why I didn't leave :)
[19:18] <charlie-tca> +1 for [BG]ZloboMiR
[19:18] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Yep, that was my point
[19:18]  * charlie-tca thinks it is valid, too
[19:19] <[BG]ZloboMiR> If they just come and say hi and look for smo alive... :D
[19:24] <slow-motion> then they kill him and eat him
[19:26] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Exactly ;)
[19:27] <Balsaq> the command: sudo lshw -c system | grep serial:                    failed to produce a serial number on the computer..any ideas?
[19:28] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Balsaq, illegal xfce copy?
[19:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Being more serious, seems like you are trying to start wireless
[19:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> And you need newer kernel?
[19:30] <Balsaq> no
[19:30] <Balsaq> just trying to pull a serial number off a mchine that doesnt have one anywhere on the case
[19:31] <Balsaq> also tried this    dmidecode
[19:31] <Balsaq> no good either
[19:31] <[BG]ZloboMiR> this is gm independant, lemme see, I am on KDE
[19:32] <Balsaq> she is on ubuntu
[19:32] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Well, here it jumped shortly over drvices like pci and scsi
[19:32] <[BG]ZloboMiR> And gave a blank row
[19:33] <Balsaq> gave a bunch a nothing...stuff like...no dimm  no dimm   no dimm
[19:33] <[BG]ZloboMiR> pls run sudo lshw -version
[19:34] <[BG]ZloboMiR> B.02.14 here
[19:34] <Balsaq> its ubuntu 8.10
[19:34] <[BG]ZloboMiR> 9.10 kubuntu
[19:34] <Balsaq> i installed it for her myself
[19:34] <Balsaq> ubuntu 8.10
[19:34] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Well, try sdo apt-get install lshw
[19:34] <[BG]ZloboMiR> should update
[19:36] <Balsaq> one moment please
[19:36] <Balsaq> its not online will that still work
[19:37] <[BG]ZloboMiR> No
[19:37] <[BG]ZloboMiR> It needs I-net connection
[19:38] <[BG]ZloboMiR> May I ask why do you need a serial number?
[19:38] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Seems a bit cosmetic
[19:38] <[BG]ZloboMiR> this is not windows, so it is not required
[19:39] <Balsaq> yes i know
[19:39] <Balsaq> on phone with her
[19:42] <Balsaq> i installed buntu-she cant handle it-and we are trying to reinstall her old windows-but i need to get the drivers and cannot w/o the serial number according to the manufacturer
[19:48] <Balsaq> so that package, is a package that allows me to run a command that will then allow me to see the serial number?
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Try looking in the bios?
[20:00] <Balsaq> yes i did
[20:01] <Balsaq> trying to figure out why someone ditched their serial number....
[20:01] <charlie-tca> My system gives me serial: System Serial Number
[20:01] <charlie-tca> It doesn't actually give a number, though
[20:02] <charlie-tca> If it has windows, what about looking at the system screen?
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Doesn't it give a serial number?
[20:03] <Balsaq> i wiped out windows when i installed buntu in it
[20:03] <Balsaq> on purpose
[20:03] <Balsaq> it was loaded with virus
[20:03] <Balsaq> she likes the buntu...but misses some stuff she can't fugure out...she cant handle buntu
[20:04] <Balsaq> we were all hoping she would like buntu
[20:06] <Balsaq> but if this issue keeps up much longer...she is gonna be keeping buntu!
[20:06] <Balsaq> which is alright by me!
[20:11] <clutch> what are you trying to do Balsaq?
[20:16] <Balsaq> use linux software or commands to pull aserial number out of a desktop computer...that appears to have lost it
[20:17] <Balsaq> i am trying to determine the serial numbner of a destop computer
[20:18] <Balsaq> someone removed it from the machine case
[20:19] <Balsaq> i installed ubuntu 8.10 in the computer myself a couple months ago
[20:21] <Balsaq> when people at work bring their virus filled boxes to me...i offer buntu....this lady wanted to try it, but in this case, she want to try fighting virus' all over again
[20:21] <clutch> So you need a Windows serial?
[20:22] <clutch> Just call their support line and tell them you lost it.  They'll probably give you one.
[20:22] <Balsaq> nope...i ned the serial number to her computer itself
[20:22] <clutch> I did it once, it was awesome
[20:22] <clutch> Orly...
[20:22] <clutch> Idk then.
[20:22] <Balsaq> no gateway will not tell me the correct dirvers until i give them the serial number ..period amen
[20:23] <Balsaq> and without the correct drivers i will not install windows back inti her computer
[20:23] <Balsaq> whoever took the serial number off it also took the model id off it too
[20:23] <clutch> Wow, that's crazy.  Try googling the make and model along with windows drivers?
[20:23] <clutch> oh wow
[20:23] <clutch> lol
[20:23] <Balsaq> all the model info is also gone
[20:24] <Balsaq> somw jag off really screwed it up
[20:24] <clutch> Somebody doesn't want you to fix that machine, lol.
[20:24] <clutch> Yeah
[20:24] <Balsaq> so its a perfect buntu racer...4.3 gig intel !!!!
[20:24] <Balsaq> 3,4 i mean
[20:24] <clutch> ah
[20:24] <clutch> I was gonna say...
[20:24] <clutch> hly overclock
[20:24] <Balsaq> and a gig of ram...she's nuts, she got a perfect machine now
[20:25] <clutch> And wants to put Windows back on it?
[20:25] <Balsaq> yup
[20:25] <clutch> Does she like sitting in a wheelchair even though she's got perfectly good legs, too?
[20:25] <Balsaq> prolly
[20:25] <clutch> lol
[20:25] <Balsaq> i fixed her up real nuce too
[20:26] <clutch> Idk what to tell you, other than look at pictures on Gateway's site and find the one it looks most like.
[20:26] <Balsaq> cleaned all the tar and nicotene out of it...cat hair...got it runnin like a wild banshee
[20:26] <Balsaq> yeah did that too
[20:26] <clutch> That'd probably be close at least.
[20:26] <Balsaq> the picture get is down to about 6 models
[20:26] <clutch> damn
[20:27] <Balsaq> killin me
[20:27] <clutch> I'm assuming the customer has no idea either
[20:27] <Balsaq> oh yeah
[20:27] <clutch> Naturally.
[20:27] <Balsaq> i told em
[20:27] <Balsaq> i work with her dad
[20:28] <Balsaq> when they gave it to me it could do anyhting...
[20:28] <Balsaq> virus disabled everthing
[20:28] <Balsaq> was hilariuos
[20:28] <clutch> I would just install Windows blind and then try to deal with missing driver issues as they come up.
[20:28] <clutch> Probably be a pain in the ass
[20:28] <clutch> But you might get lucky
[20:28] <Balsaq> yeah i thought of that
[20:29] <Balsaq> reminds me of pzzzin into the wind
[20:29] <clutch> Yeah, a little.
[20:30] <Balsaq> but in the end she'll keep t he buntu she is getting better at it
[20:30] <Balsaq> if need be
[20:30] <clutch> Honestly, its easier than Windows in the first place.
[20:30] <Balsaq> see these people get hung up on one lttle piece of software that doesnt quite work in buntu
[20:30] <Balsaq> and they dont have time to learn
[20:31] <Balsaq> but she was movin right along...and will continue if she has too
[20:31] <clutch> Eh, she'll figure it out.  Point her in the direction of Ubuntu for Dummies or something.  ;)
[20:31] <clutch> gotta run, bbl
[20:32] <Balsaq> ok thanks
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Yes, Balsaq. It is like they think they learned everything in windows in one sessions
[20:32] <Balsaq> yup
[20:33] <Balsaq> of course she lost all her disks for her xp home too
[20:33] <Balsaq> or neve made them at all
[20:33] <Kangarooo> so what will happen with that xubuntu screensaver will it work in june?
[20:34] <charlie-tca> xscreensaver should work, gnome-screensaver probably won't
[20:34] <mr_pouit> deinstreplace gnome-screensaver with xscreensaver in karmic, and it'll work
[20:34] <mr_pouit> s/deinst//
[20:35] <Kangarooo> xfce will make it or who?
[20:35] <Kangarooo> noooo heres fix released https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/411350
[20:35] <mr_pouit> not, gnome-screensaver won't be automatically removed on upgrades
[20:35] <charlie-tca> According to the gnome developers, gnome-screensaver is designed to work with gnome desktop only
[20:43] <Kangarooo> what tools are u using for launchpad? how u use LP ?
[20:43] <tamran> hello everyone
[20:44] <tamran> does anyone know how to enable "move mouse to corners" expose effect in xfce?
[20:44] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: I use firefox
[20:45] <tamran> changing settings in the compiz settings manager does not seem to take effect
[20:47] <Kangarooo> ok well i know about making in launchpad email if is aaa@gmail.com then making in LP email aaa+bugs@gmail.com will still deliver bugs to email and then using labeling to all emails who goes to aaa+bugs@gmail.com will be only LP emails/bugs since only to LP is known that email.
[20:48] <charlie-tca> I don't use email, normally, to respond to any bugs. I open the bug in firefox instead.
[20:48] <tamran> ok, I just did "compiz --replace" which seemed to work
[20:49] <JoshuaL> a user in #ubuntu-nl wants to know how to access a shared folder from a xubuntu machine on a xubuntu machine?
[20:49] <Kangarooo> but to know witch bug has new response best way is email and autolabeling
[20:49] <charlie-tca> JoshuaL: Applications -> System -> Shared folders
[20:50] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: then u go to ur bugs page and open all latest bugs?
[20:50] <charlie-tca> or use fuse or NFS
[20:50] <Kangarooo> to see to witch one theres new response
[20:50] <charlie-tca> I am subscribed to all bugs with Xubuntu in them
[20:50] <Kangarooo> so then how u know when new bug arives?
[20:50] <JoshuaL> thanks :)
[20:50] <charlie-tca> Which generates an email to me everytime one changes
[20:51] <charlie-tca> I also check about 5 lists of new bugs a day
[20:51] <charlie-tca> I am looking at about 100 bugs a day, minimum
[20:51] <Kangarooo> launchpad like wave would be cool
[20:52] <Kangarooo> but who is fixing them? is there any programmers who fixes them? today i already asked what languages should i learn to finaly be at least one who removes bugs.
[20:53] <charlie-tca> Developers fix them, such as mr_pouit and cody-somerville in Xubuntu.
[20:54] <Kangarooo> maybe forgeting about 9.10 and installing 10.04 would be better and reporting bugs to 10.04 would have better responses in bug fixing?
[20:54] <charlie-tca> It depends on where the package is. If a source is Main, then Ubuntu developers fix them. If it is in universe or multiverse, MOTU fixes them
[20:54] <Kangarooo> ah ok.. well im coming to help also :)
[20:54] <charlie-tca> I test the bugs in 10.04 or the next development version, myself
[20:55] <Kangarooo> yes i read ur profiles
[20:55] <charlie-tca> I triage the bugs, which is to make sure there is enough information for the developer to fix the bug
[20:56] <Kangarooo> thats one strange word. i need a googtransalte
[20:56] <charlie-tca> triage?
[20:56] <Kangarooo> yes triage translated for me a sick people diognisting :)
[20:57] <charlie-tca> That is the process to make sure the bug has all the attachments needed, and information present for the developer to not have to ask for more
[20:57] <charlie-tca> Just like a hospital triage is to diagnose illness and try to get enough information for the doctor to work on the sickness
[20:58] <charlie-tca> If I did the triage right, the developer does not have to ask for more information from the bug reporter. He just fixes the bug.
[20:59] <Bytesunfish> I have an issue. My apache and ventrilo servers accessible. Apache not even when browsing local host on the server machine. They are both fresh installations. What can I do to check out what might be going on? Can anybody give me some direction?
[20:59] <Bytesunfish> inaccessible**
[21:01] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Bytesunfish, what is the error you have in browser window?
[21:01] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Have you checked for conflicting ports?
[21:02] <Bytesunfish> Can't establish a connection to the server at 127.0.0.1
[21:02] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Are you sure that the services are actually running?
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: this is one page I use: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases
[21:02] <[BG]ZloboMiR> 127.0.0.1 is localhost
[21:02] <Bytesunfish> Right
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: this is another one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[21:02] <charlie-tca> and all the pages they tell you about...
[21:03] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Umm, check for anorher application on port 80
[21:03] <Bytesunfish> using netstat?
[21:03] <[BG]ZloboMiR> sudo netstat -tupl
[21:03] <[BG]ZloboMiR> ports are in oreder
[21:04] <Bytesunfish> Nothing shows up for eighty
[21:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> so even apache is not running
[21:04] <Bytesunfish> 3784 has the ventrilo server
[21:04] <Bytesunfish> but its not accessible on the lan
[21:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> sudo /etc/init.d/spache2 start
[21:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> afaicr
[21:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[21:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> typo
[21:05] <knome> just as a sidenote: http://open.knome.fi/2010/03/03/new-ubuntu-branding/ + http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1991
[21:05] <Bytesunfish> apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
[21:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> This is ok
[21:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> does it says ok?
[21:05] <Bytesunfish> Yes
[21:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I have the same error and my serv is fine
[21:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Try now
[21:06] <Bytesunfish> Wow... I feel foolish..
[21:06] <Bytesunfish> It does indeed work
[21:06] <[BG]ZloboMiR> it happens :)
[21:06] <Bytesunfish> Okay...
[21:06] <Bytesunfish> Any ideas on the ventrilo issue not being accessible?
[21:06] <[BG]ZloboMiR> A PC reboot should have fixed it also, but we are not working on Win :D
[21:07] <[BG]ZloboMiR> No, not using ventrillo
[21:07] <[BG]ZloboMiR> It was some voice?
[21:07] <Bytesunfish> Yes
[21:07] <Bytesunfish> it's a voice chatroom kinda application
[21:08] <Bytesunfish> very nifty
[21:08] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Aha, for gamers
[21:08] <Bytesunfish> Precisely
[21:08] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Like teamspeak
[21:08] <Bytesunfish> Exactly
[21:08] <slow-motion> bye
[21:08] <Bytesunfish> So with apache, it should start every time the system reboots right?
[21:08] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Yes, this guy is just polite... :D
[21:08] <[BG]ZloboMiR> 2:0 for me
[21:09] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Well, what errors about ventrilo, some logs?
[21:09] <Bytesunfish> Very cool
[21:09] <Bytesunfish> Well originally it was saying that it couldn't bind to the TCP socket
[21:09] <Bytesunfish> But I found that to be simply because the service was already running
[21:09] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Yes, all init.d are short of initial daemons I think
[21:10] <[BG]ZloboMiR> At every reboot they load the important sh*t
[21:10] <[BG]ZloboMiR> If not happening, check that apache2 has adequate permissions
[21:11] <[BG]ZloboMiR> read write execute will work, tho some security guru will kill me if here
[21:11] <Bytesunfish> How do you set permissions for apache
[21:12] <Bytesunfish> is it just 'chmod 777' or something similar?
[21:12] <[BG]ZloboMiR> right click on it > Properties, but you have to be root
[21:12] <[BG]ZloboMiR> My way: sudo thunar (dolphin) /etc/init.d/
[21:13] <[BG]ZloboMiR> or sudo chmod NO path/file
[21:13] <[BG]ZloboMiR> see chmod -help
[21:13] <[BG]ZloboMiR> afaicr sudo chmod 775 /etc/init.d/apache2
[21:13] <Bytesunfish> Okay
[21:14] <[BG]ZloboMiR> just careful
[21:14] <Bytesunfish> What is the 'afaicr'?
[21:14] <[BG]ZloboMiR> as far as i can remember
[21:15] <[BG]ZloboMiR> my acronim, I admit
[21:15] <Bytesunfish> Okay. That seemed to do the trick
[21:15] <[BG]ZloboMiR> nice
[21:15] <Bytesunfish> Thank you very much for your help.
[21:15] <[BG]ZloboMiR> when it does the trick it just doesn't return anything
[21:15] <[BG]ZloboMiR> yw
[21:16] <Bytesunfish> Yes, that is what happened
[21:16] <Bytesunfish> Unfortunately my lunch break never seems to be quite long enough and I need to get back to the grindstone. Thanks again for your help. Goodbye
[21:16] <[BG]ZloboMiR> See ya :)
[21:16] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Have fun
[21:20] <Kangarooo> maybe with working in LP some macro programms u are using? like text auto complete programms?
[21:21] <charlie-tca> I don't use any
[21:23] <faron> hello everybody ! got a little problem...trying to right click on desktop & create a folder there but,for some reason,ti's not working.After I type in the name of the folder,I'm clicking on "create" & "poof" ! Nothing ! Anybody got any ideas ?
[21:23] <knome> faron, have you pressed f5 on the desktop?
[21:24] <faron> nop should I ?
[21:24] <knome> you could try. the desktop might not be updated for some reason
[21:24] <faron> hmmmm,okay
[21:25] <charlie-tca> You could also open the desktop folder in thunar and create the folder
[21:26] <faron> ahhhhhhh,I knew there was another way to do it.I just did the F5 thing & desktop kind of like flashed at me but no new folders yet.........gonna go try
[21:27] <faron> well,first wat still isn't working
[21:30] <faron> tried to create folder in thunar..........won't let me....I type in the name of the folder & the word "create" is greyed out
[21:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> maybe you have to be root
[21:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> or sudo
[21:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I mean start thunar via terminal
[21:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> sudo thunar
[21:31] <[BG]ZloboMiR> not much logic however
[21:31] <charlie-tca> Is it in your own /home ?
[21:31] <charlie-tca> You should not have to be root if you own the Desktop
[21:34] <faron> the word "create is still grey
[21:35] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: there is also a news feed where all new bugs show up, it gets about 1000 new bugs a day. Do you want it?
[21:35] <knome> faron, open terminal, and at your home dir (should open at it), type 'ls -l' and paste the line with "Desktop"
[21:36] <Kangarooo> ok ill use it from tomorow. since im now diging up designers to make new themes for loco webs similar to next ubuntu branding
[21:36] <faron> Does anybody have any idea what's going on ? desktop won't let me create a folder
[21:36] <knome> faron, see my reply
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: okay, all this does is give the new bugs filed in launchpad: http://feeds.launchpad.net/ubuntu/latest-bugs.atom
[21:39] <faron> I'm sorry I must be comnpletely lost..............
[21:39] <knome> faron, open terminal, okay? :)
[21:39] <faron> yes
[21:40] <faron> I have closed & now reopened term
[21:42] <faron> did I lose you Knome
[21:42] <faron> ?
[21:42] <knome> faron, oh, sorry
[21:42] <knome> faron, now run 'ls -l'
[21:42] <faron> aha !
[21:42] <knome> faron, and paste me the line with "Desktop"
[21:43] <faron> ahhhhhhhh that's what you mean
[21:43] <faron> I didn't understand that part
[21:43] <faron> hold on
[21:44] <faron>  Desktop
[21:44] <faron> drwxr-xr-x  2 bobby bobby  4096 2010-02-25 20:59 Templates
[21:44] <jarnos> Can anyone tell when support for USB device  0fd9:0011 is added in linux kernel that is used in ubuntu?
[21:45] <[BG]ZloboMiR> jarnos, kernels are updated even between releases, so try more often
[21:46] <faron> Knome ?
[21:46] <knome> faron, yeh, sorry
[21:46] <faron> that's ok
[21:46] <knome> faron, can you pastebin the complete output?
[21:46] <knome> !pastebin | faron
[21:48] <faron> complete out put is... Desktop
[21:48] <faron> drwxr-xr-x  2 bobby bobby  4096 2010-02-25 20:59 Templates
[21:48] <faron> knom
[21:49] <faron> oops knome
[21:49] <knome> no, that's the templates line
[21:49] <faron> that's all that came out
[21:49] <[BG]ZloboMiR> give him a ready chown command :P
[21:49] <[BG]ZloboMiR> should help
[21:49] <knome> [BG]ZloboMiR, :P
[21:50] <[BG]ZloboMiR> If he has the pass
[21:50] <knome> faron, okay, try 'sudo chown bobby:bobby Desktop'
[21:50] <faron> Ohhhh man  am I lost !
[21:50] <faron> pass ?
[21:50] <faron> okay knome
[21:50] <[BG]ZloboMiR> pass=password, paste his row starting with sudo in terminal, no "
[21:51] <faron> uh oh.......
[21:52] <faron> I got nothing !
[21:52] <[BG]ZloboMiR> this is fine
[21:52] <[BG]ZloboMiR> probably worked
[21:52] <faron> it asked for pass & then nothing
[21:52] <Kangarooo> ok bye till tomorow
[21:52] <faron> see ya kangaroo
[21:52] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Unlike windows, linux screams out on errors, to save time
[21:52] <[BG]ZloboMiR> bye Kangarooo
[21:53] <[BG]ZloboMiR> this nothing is ok
[21:53] <[BG]ZloboMiR> it did his job
[21:53] <faron> okay.... wassss nxt ?
[21:53] <[BG]ZloboMiR> try to create the folder
[21:53] <faron> should I try to make a folder on desk now ?
[21:53] <[BG]ZloboMiR> ya
[21:53] <faron> okay
[21:54] <knome> sorry for getting lost now and then :)
[21:54] <knome> have a few discussions + stuff going on
[21:55] <faron> doessn't look good...... went to desk right clicked clicked on create folder typed in name of folder clicked create & nothing !
[21:55] <faron> that's okay buddy
[21:55] <[BG]ZloboMiR> You are on xubuntu, sure?
[21:55] <knome> faron, okay, open thunar and navigate to "/home/bobby/Desktop"
[21:56] <knome> faron, and try to create the folder there
[21:56] <faron> okay......... yes Xubuntu
[21:56] <[BG]ZloboMiR> knome, not working still
[21:56] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Maybe owner still lacks permissions
[21:56] <[BG]ZloboMiR> spell out a chmod correctly pls
[21:57] <knome> [BG]ZloboMiR, please feel free to do that yourself.
[21:57] <faron> try to create folder once I've navigated to desk in thunar ?
[21:57] <knome> faron, yes.
[21:57] <[BG]ZloboMiR> knome, I am not so good
[21:57] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Not mocking at you
[21:58] <knome> [BG]ZloboMiR, ;) np
[21:58] <[BG]ZloboMiR> sudo chmod 777 /home/bobby/Desktop bobby
[21:58] <[BG]ZloboMiR> or swap path and bobby if error
[21:58] <knome> [BG]ZloboMiR, it definitely should NOT be 777, though
[21:58] <faron> nope."create folder still greyed out knome
[21:58] <[BG]ZloboMiR> see?
[21:59] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I know when I am risking smo's security
[22:00] <faron> uh ohhhhhh....... maybe I can't use "/" in folder name ?
[22:00] <[BG]ZloboMiR> However not so sick as the ubuntu guys
[22:00] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Yes, you can't
[22:00] <knome> that's correct. no / allowed
[22:00] <faron> soon as I type in "/"  the word "create" goes grey
[22:00] <[BG]ZloboMiR> * No, you can't
[22:00] <knome> faron, you can use \ though :)
[22:00] <faron> hmmmmm............
[22:00] <knome> (that's what i do pretty much)
[22:01] <[BG]ZloboMiR> and maybe even / on another layout
[22:01] <[BG]ZloboMiR> say Bulgarian :P
[22:02] <faron> thats great........
[22:02] <faron> I could swear I used to be able to use "/"
[22:02] <faron> well thanks alot everybody
[22:03] <[BG]ZloboMiR> in a previous version?
[22:03] <faron> thank you very much mr knome
[22:03] <[BG]ZloboMiR> faron, yw
[22:03] <faron> so where's everybody at ?
[22:03] <knome> faron, np. enjoy xubuntu :)
[22:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I guess the OS is just running very smooth
[22:04] <faron> sometimes I do knome.now I have to figure out why my memory use is up so high
[22:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Because you clever?
[22:04] <knome> faron, you can use apps like the taskmanager or 'top' to find out
[22:04] <faron> yeah ! that must be it
[22:04] <faron> ha ha
[22:05]  * charlie-tca thinks firefox and gnome system-monitor
[22:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> or bugged skype
[22:05] <faron> knome do you mean type "top" in a term ?
[22:06] <knome> yes, that would be it :)
[22:06] <faron> heh heh
[22:06] <knome> faron, you can also install htop, which is somewhat better version of top
[22:06] <faron> i installed a feew things last night to try out......don't have FF open
[22:07] <[BG]ZloboMiR> is there some good appy to monitor pc temperature?
[22:07] <[BG]ZloboMiR> not much luck in building conky
[22:09] <faron> wow doesn't seem to be much using the mem but my little mem monitor I have on panel says 186 of 248 used
[22:09] <knome> charlie-tca, wouldn't that ^ be gnome system monitor?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> That should be about right. Xubuntu should use close to 192
[22:10] <charlie-tca> sure, it can be, knome
[22:10] <knome> my xubuntu is using 712 ;)
[22:10] <charlie-tca> The actual app is gnome-system-monitor
[22:11] <faron> usually when I do a fresh boot I'm only at around 130 at highest
[22:11] <knome> well, what matters in the end is the load average.
[22:11] <faron> I can use FF for awhile until mem use gets real high then I close & reopen & mem use sometimes goes down as low as 72
[22:11] <knome> 186 from 248 is pretty much.
[22:13] <faron> this time though when I reopened FF mem use was stil way up there & that's with out even opening FF...........
[22:14] <faron> probably has sojmething to do with those new programs I installed last night