| Tiibiidii | hi, i just saw the new theme, and instantly felt the window controls very very backwards.... then i read one comment on jono's blog that laments by mentioning fitt's law... then i thought: since the close windows action is often supported by a known key shortcut, but the other window actions aren't... may this be better?: to have the least useful (meaning that it's less often used and it's already backed up by a s | 01:01 |
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| Tiibiidii | hortcut) action put in a less easily accessible position, and meanwhile promoting the other actions in the corner... | 01:01 |
| Tiibiidii | right now i tweaked my gconf settings to replicate the future lucid theme | 01:02 |
| Tiibiidii | i'll try to keep it this way for some days to see if at the end it'll continue to seem so backwards to me, or if it's instead a good idea | 01:03 |
| Tiibiidii | in the meanwhile, can someone point me to the reasoning that sits behind this change? | 01:04 |
| Nafai | jcastro: around? | 02:23 |
| Nafai | (I know it's late for you) | 02:23 |
| jcastro | Nafai: yeah | 02:29 |
| jcastro | what's up? | 02:29 |
| Nafai | Should I assign bug #497853 back to pitti or to canonical-desktop-team? | 02:29 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 497853 in brasero (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "Support application indicators (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497853 | 02:30 |
| jcastro | pitti | 02:30 |
| jcastro | i'll ping him tomorrow early and see if that's what he wants | 02:30 |
| Nafai | ok | 02:32 |
| lamalex | i posted a patch for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/460286 | 04:41 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 460286 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "enable notifications when chat is not focused (affects: 3)" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 04:41 |
| vish | kenvandine: ^^ | 04:58 |
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| jcastro | seb128: woo, brasero is in! | 13:46 |
| seb128 | jcastro, only vino left? | 13:47 |
| jcastro | and hplip | 13:47 |
| jcastro | but hplip has been through the pitti gauntlet already, needs an update | 13:47 |
| jcastro | smithj: ping | 13:47 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:48 |
| jcastro | seb128: all that's left distro-wise is adjusting the power menu like mpt wanted and after that it's all bugfixes as they come in and getting the patches upstream | 13:48 |
| seb128 | jcastro, good | 13:49 |
| Nafai | Good morning | 13:52 |
| Nafai | I'm going to go ahead and pass brasero and gnome-bluetooth patches upstream this morning | 13:52 |
| jcastro | Nafai: anything left to do on vino on your side? | 13:52 |
| Nafai | nope, I've already passed the updated patches upstream and attached to the launchpad bug | 13:53 |
| Nafai | brb | 13:56 |
| Nafai | back | 14:03 |
| seb128 | hey Nafai | 14:04 |
| seb128 | I commented on your gnome-bluetooth change | 14:04 |
| seb128 | I think we didn't understand each other yesterday | 14:04 |
| Nafai | Oh | 14:04 |
| * Nafai looks | 14:05 | |
| seb128 | I suggested changing the menu directly | 14:05 |
| seb128 | ie the .ui | 14:05 |
| seb128 | not doing weird code hacks | 14:05 |
| Nafai | well, for the items that us stock-id, if I change it to not use stock-id, we lose translations | 14:05 |
| Nafai | plus, if I change the .ui, that makes it less acceptable as a patch to upstream, because they would still want the icons for the GtkStatusIcon as well | 14:07 |
| seb128 | well that's why I asked you yesterday | 14:08 |
| seb128 | is there any reason why they would want icons and we don't | 14:08 |
| seb128 | we use the same menu is both cases | 14:08 |
| seb128 | if icons don't look nice they should be cleaned in both cases | 14:08 |
| seb128 | no? | 14:08 |
| Nafai | I'm trying to find a screenshot to see how they looked in the old one | 14:10 |
| Nafai | actually, in Ubuntu at least, the status icon respects the no-icon menu setting | 14:12 |
| Nafai | so they aren't shown anyway | 14:12 |
| seb128 | why doesn't the indicator do that? | 14:12 |
| seb128 | isn"t that an indicator bug? | 14:12 |
| Nafai | we've talked with tedg about it, and I think it is, but he also says that (and please correct me if I mis-remember jcastro) the applications should also handle that themselves | 14:13 |
| Nafai | From the screenshot I see on gnome.org (http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-bluetooth/stable/gnome-bluetooth-applet.html.en), it renders fine normally | 14:14 |
| jcastro | I don't remember | 14:18 |
| jcastro | Nafai: it's like UI freeze today so it's like our last chance to get it right | 14:18 |
| Nafai | what's your take on this jcastro? | 14:20 |
| Nafai | For the record, I don't disagree with seb128, I just want to do the right thing | 14:20 |
| seb128 | jcastro, well making the applet respect the show icon flag would be a bug fix not an ui change | 14:21 |
| seb128 | even if side effect is to fix an ui which was buggy | 14:21 |
| jcastro | seb128: yeah I know, I just want to make sure we do it right today and not have this come up tomorrow, monday, etc. | 14:22 |
| seb128 | let's wait on ted | 14:22 |
| jcastro | Nafai: when in doubt I always do what seb128 wants and everything works out. :D | 14:22 |
| jcastro | at least brasero is done, what a pain in the neck | 14:22 |
| Nafai | Our conversation from the other day: http://paste.ubuntu.com/388287/ | 14:24 |
| seb128 | speaking of who | 14:26 |
| seb128 | tedg, hy | 14:26 |
| seb128 | hey | 14:26 |
| tedg | Good morning. | 14:28 |
| seb128 | tedg, so we were talking about the bluetooth indicator | 14:28 |
| seb128 | and stock icons | 14:28 |
| seb128 | is indicator applet not respecting the show icon option a known bug? | 14:28 |
| seb128 | will it be fixed for lucid? | 14:28 |
| tedg | It's known, but I forgot about it :) | 14:29 |
| tedg | It shouldn't be too hard to fix. | 14:29 |
| jcastro | tedg: what's your schedule like today? It would be nice to get this fixed | 14:34 |
| jcastro | ugh, it's thursday | 14:34 |
| tedg | Heh, jcastro you're getting the rhythm ;) | 14:35 |
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| seb128 | Nafai, ^ | 14:49 |
| seb128 | jpetersen, hi | 14:59 |
| jpetersen | seb128, hi | 15:00 |
| seb128 | jpetersen, thanks for the rhythmbox update | 15:00 |
| seb128 | jpetersen, it doesn't escape markers though | 15:00 |
| seb128 | the <i></i> are displayed | 15:00 |
| jpetersen | seb128, hm ok | 15:00 |
| seb128 | rather than having those words in italic | 15:00 |
| seb128 | did it works for you? | 15:00 |
| jpetersen | seb128, it was not shown here | 15:05 |
| jpetersen | seb128, I will just test it again | 15:05 |
| seb128 | jpetersen, thanks | 15:06 |
| Nafai | Ok, brasero passed upstream | 15:06 |
| Nafai | brb | 15:06 |
| hyperair | is application indicator supposed to use that much padding? | 15:24 |
| * hyperair really dislikes having that much padding for anything. | 15:24 | |
| jpetersen | seb128, ah ok I can reproduce that problem, I will fix it | 15:28 |
| Nafai | hyperair: You mean between icons? | 15:29 |
| seb128 | jpetersen, thanks! | 15:29 |
| seb128 | Nafai, so if ted fixes the show icon issue, is there anything left to change in bluetooth? | 15:37 |
| Nafai | seb128: Nope. So that should take care of #528527, nothing needs to be done with the package, right? | 15:39 |
| hyperair | Nafai: yes, between the icons. | 15:40 |
| seb128 | Nafai, ok, what I think too, good ;-) | 15:41 |
| Nafai | so I'll go ahead and pass the existing patch (the one already packaged) upstream | 15:42 |
| seb128 | Nafai, thanks | 15:43 |
| Nafai | seb128: I actually was just reviewing your comments to the original bug for app indicator support and noticed I had forgot to change this to APP_INDICATOR_CATEGORY_HARDWARE | 15:54 |
| Nafai | I should probably do that and double check the other things were done | 15:54 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:54 |
| Nafai | I've got a call here in a few minutes, but I can quickly make those changes after | 15:54 |
| tedg | hyperair: There is supposed to be more than in the notification area, but I'm worried that I might have too much currently. I haven't investigated though. | 16:01 |
| tedg | hyperair: I think something might be getting padded twice. | 16:01 |
| hyperair | tedg: i see. what's the padding for? | 16:02 |
| hyperair | tedg: isn't the notification area cluttered enough without padding stretching it even wider? | 16:02 |
| tedg | hyperair: Just to make it easier to hit the items. And to make them look nice. (probably more the second) | 16:02 |
| hyperair | heh | 16:02 |
| hyperair | alright | 16:02 |
| * hyperair will need to undergo panel appletsectomy after upgrading to lucid | 16:03 | |
| seb128 | fedora did extra padding change previous cycle in their notification area too | 16:03 |
| hyperair | hmm, did they? | 16:04 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:04 |
| hyperair | but they don't have appind do they? | 16:04 |
| hyperair | so this padding is for the notification area icon alone? | 16:04 |
| seb128 | no | 16:04 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:04 |
| hyperair | i mean notification area | 16:04 |
| seb128 | http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/mclasen/2009/10/26/5-little-things/ | 16:04 |
| seb128 | the second item on the list there | 16:05 |
| jpetersen | seb128, I updated the rhythmbox patch to fix the markup issues | 16:05 |
| seb128 | jpetersen, oh, nice, looking | 16:06 |
| hyperair | seb128: interesting. | 16:07 |
| jpetersen | I will be back soon | 16:13 |
| qense | Is bug #528088 valid for all AppIndicators? | 17:37 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 528088 in transmission (Ubuntu) "Transmission applet does not show when there are no indicator applet (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528088 | 17:37 |
| seb128 | qense, indicator fallback to a notification area icon | 17:39 |
| seb128 | that bug is weird | 17:40 |
| seb128 | I usually have the opposite issue | 17:40 |
| seb128 | I've to make sure the service is not running to have the fallback working | 17:40 |
| seb128 | ie removing the indicator applet with the service still running breaks | 17:40 |
| qense | seb128: I've stumbled about your issue a few time as well. | 17:41 |
| seb128 | but once you stop the service it works | 17:41 |
| qense | that's true | 17:41 |
| qense | the service keeps running | 17:41 |
| qense | seb128: It would be great if there was some way for applications to subscribe to the availability of a certain application, something like libunique, so they reliably know when something is running and when not. | 17:43 |
| qense | Both the service and the applet could use it. | 17:43 |
| qense | and probably many other applications as well. | 17:43 |
| seb128 | qense, bug #532044 is a duplicate | 17:46 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 532044 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "When Rhythmbox is launched, all you see is the tray icon (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532044 | 17:46 |
| seb128 | please close it | 17:46 |
| qense | seb128: will do, thanks for mentioning | 17:46 |
| Nafai | What currently happens if you set the status to attention and there isn't an attention icon set? Does it just stay with the ACTIVE status? | 17:51 |
| qense | I've dumped bug #527282 in gtk+2.0, but is that the right place for it? | 18:11 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 527282 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "GtkWindows cannot be raised, show() doesn't do the trick (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527282 | 18:11 |
| qense | The issue is with the fact that when you press Show Window in the tray menus the show() function is used, which doesn't raise the window. | 18:12 |
| qense | Before AppInd you could raise the hidden windows from the tray. | 18:12 |
| Nafai | Okay, I just finished #532104 | 19:03 |
| Nafai | bug #532104 | 19:03 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 532104 in gnome-bluetooth (Ubuntu) "Fix app indicator classification and other minor issues (affects: 1)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532104 | 19:03 |
| Nafai | Addresses feedback seb128 gave me before that I missed | 19:03 |
| jcastro | Nafai: woo! | 19:05 |
| Nafai | If this is good, I'll pass it upstream | 19:05 |
| jcastro | Nafai: tomorrow I was thinking of sending the brasero and vino guys a mail | 19:06 |
| jcastro | if we could have a call I'd like to get some things straight | 19:06 |
| Nafai | K, vino has been sitting there for like a week or something | 19:06 |
| Nafai | sure thing | 19:06 |
| jcastro | explain why it's so invasive, etc. | 19:06 |
| jcastro | yeah | 19:06 |
| Nafai | pitti and I successfully used Empathy/gtalk earlier today | 19:07 |
| Nafai | worked well | 19:07 |
| jcastro | yeah it's getting much better | 19:09 |
| jcastro | last cycle I couldn't use it at all but it's pretty good now | 19:09 |
| jcastro | all it really needs is voice cancellation | 19:09 |
| Nafai | yeah | 19:09 |
| Nafai | I'm going to go grab lunch | 19:13 |
| Nafai | Then I'll need to figure out what's next :) | 19:13 |
| Nafai | back | 20:07 |
| Nafai | jcastro: what would you suggest I work on next? | 20:07 |
| jcastro | well, no outstanding bugs at the moment. | 20:07 |
| jcastro | Maybe qense needs help with the banshee work? | 20:08 |
| jcastro | Nafai: we're at UI freeze so it doesn't really make sense to port new apps | 20:08 |
| Nafai | right | 20:08 |
| Nafai | qense: Around? | 20:09 |
| jcastro | seb128: anything you guys need help with? | 20:09 |
| qense | jcastro, Nafai: I'm around | 20:10 |
| Nafai | Need any help with Banshee? | 20:11 |
| seb128 | jcastro, landing the new artwork in lucid? ;-) | 20:12 |
| qense | Banshee itself is not that much of a problem, I think it would be best if I would finish that myself since I've made myself acquainted with the code. However, libappindicator-cil is the real time drainer. | 20:12 |
| qense | seb128: Plymouth should be there already, I'm anxiously waiting for the rest! | 20:12 |
| seb128 | jcastro, out of that nothing I can think about today no | 20:12 |
| jcastro | ok | 20:12 |
| seb128 | qense, yeah I know | 20:12 |
| seb128 | qense, wallpaper too | 20:12 |
| qense | yes, forgot that one | 20:12 |
| seb128 | qense, I just uploaded the gnome-panel icon theme | 20:12 |
| jcastro | tedg: how are your indicator-application bugs? perhaps Nafai can lend a hand when he's not fixing the apps themselves? | 20:12 |
| Nafai | Yeah, I don't mind diving in | 20:13 |
| qense | Although I have to say that I am closing in on the Mono binding problems with AppInd. | 20:13 |
| Nafai | I'm not very experienced with C# or Mono, so I'd probably be less helpful with binding work | 20:13 |
| qense | Nafai: how much do you know of C# and GAPI? | 20:13 |
| Nafai | heh. :) | 20:14 |
| tedg | jcastro: I know of three. The fallback thing in gpm. The fallback on startup. And then the python append one. | 20:14 |
| qense | tedg: is the transmission bug the only report about the fallback on startup? | 20:14 |
| qense | tedg: then I'll convert it to a more generic bug report | 20:14 |
| tedg | jcastro: So, I'd say that there isn't a huge problem there, but help is always appreciated :) | 20:14 |
| tedg | qense: That's the only one I've seen it on, but I can't imagine it's transmission only. | 20:15 |
| qense | tedg: I'll convert it then. | 20:15 |
| tedg | qense: That'd be just too weird :) | 20:15 |
| jcastro | Nafai: ok so see if you can help tedg | 20:15 |
| Nafai | cool, thanks. | 20:15 |
| Nafai | tedg: Which would you like me to look at? | 20:15 |
| tedg | Nafai: The Python one would probably be best to start out, it's blocking apps. | 20:16 |
| tedg | Nafai: The others are annoyances (that should get fixed) | 20:16 |
| qense | jcastro: I just had a busy week, but I hope to be able to finish it this weekend. Although I have said before that Banshee was almost finished. :) | 20:16 |
| Nafai | Okay. Bug # and branch to work on? | 20:16 |
| jcastro | heh | 20:16 |
| qense | atm I'm writing a blog to advertise AdoptUpstream | 20:17 |
| jcastro | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-application/+bug/530138 | 20:19 |
| qense | I hope to have found a working solution for libappind-cil tomorrow so I can have a working library at least ready for personal use Saturday which means I can continue to work on the aptch. | 20:19 |
| jcastro | tedg: Nafai ^^^ | 20:19 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 530138 in indicator-application (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "Using .append() on a gtkmenu doesn't update the indicator's menu (affects: 1)" [High,Triaged] | 20:19 |
| qense | What about the .set_menu() crash? | 20:19 |
| jcastro | marc needs that bug fixed so he can finish off app indicators for virt-manager | 20:19 |
| Nafai | tedg: Is this the branch I should base upon? https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-application/lucid | 20:29 |
| tedg | Nafai: No, please use lp:indicator-application | 20:29 |
| Nafai | ok, thanks | 20:29 |
| Nafai | wee, now to figure out bzr :) | 20:30 |
| tedg | Nafai: All you really need is: | 20:31 |
| tedg | bzr branch lp:indicator-application | 20:31 |
| tedg | <do work> | 20:31 |
| tedg | bzr commit | 20:31 |
| tedg | <do more work> | 20:31 |
| tedg | bzr commit | 20:31 |
| tedg | bzr push lp:~nafai/indicator-application/my-fix | 20:31 |
| Nafai | cool | 20:31 |
| Nafai | I've made the mistake in the past just doing bzr checkout and finding out bzr commit doesn't work so well :) | 20:31 |
| qense | Nafai: bzr commit --fixes lp:{bug_number} associates a commit with a certain bug | 20:32 |
| * Nafai nods | 20:32 | |
| Nafai | I think I figured out what may be going on. GtkMenuShell.insert may not be emitting the add signal which is what the app indicator hooks up to | 21:37 |
| Nafai | but calling GtkContainer.add *does* emit the signal (of course), which then causes app indicators to get it | 21:37 |
| Nafai | I'm doing some more digging to be sure | 21:38 |
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