[00:23] <Robincamethyst> LO all! Any idea when the Light theme is available?
[00:29] <jpds> Sometime in the coming days.
[00:31] <Robincamethyst> Want to take a look at it on a desktop; not convinced by the samples yet. Although less brown has to be good.
[00:31] <kindofabuzz> my volume control in the indicator applet has a red X.
[00:31] <crimsun> kindofabuzz: and...?
[00:31] <kindofabuzz> crimsun, just wondering why it does
[00:32] <rww> kindofabuzz: because it's muted?
[00:32] <kindofabuzz> rww, nope
[00:33] <crimsun> kindofabuzz: do you have a mute LED, too?
[00:33] <kindofabuzz> crimsun, my sound is not muted.
[00:34] <crimsun> kindofabuzz: ok, but that doesn't answer my question
[00:34] <kindofabuzz> crimsun, no, the mute LED is not lit. just realized i can't move the slider either
[00:35] <crimsun> kindofabuzz: what are your default sink and source according to pactl stat?
[00:36] <kindofabuzz> crimsun, no idea what that is
[00:36] <rww> kindofabuzz: type `pactl stat` in a terminal, look for the sink and source lines
[00:37] <kindofabuzz> gottta install the utils, hang on
[00:39] <kindofabuzz>  when running pactl stat Connection failure: Connection refused
[00:40] <crimsun> well, that's why you have that indicator
[00:40] <kindofabuzz> crimsun, what can i do?
[00:40] <crimsun> figure out why it didn't autospawn or why it was killed?
[00:41] <crimsun> grep autospawn {/etc/pulse,~}/client.conf
[00:42] <kindofabuzz> /etc/pulse/client.conf:; autospawn = yes
[00:45] <plitter> does anyone have something i should read before i try installing alpha 3 on a virtual box?
[00:45] <plitter> hints and tips and.......... walkthroughs appreciated;)
[00:45] <crimsun> kindofabuzz: sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* /dev/seq*
[00:45] <crimsun> kindofabuzz: what's the output?
[00:46] <kindofabuzz> crimsun, Cannot stat /dev/dsp*: No such file or directory for all them
[00:46] <marenostrum> Hello; in Karmic -for the first time- I dedicated a seperate partion for /home and opt for passphrase protection for it and /home is safely encrypted now. I have my passphrase at hand. Question: Before installling Lucid- should I "unlock" it, remove encryption protection by some means (?) to enable the new release write something needed (i.e. new default folders) to home directory? Or will I be asked for the passphrase during the install process?
[00:46] <crimsun> kindofabuzz: lsmod|grep ^snd
[00:48] <kindofabuzz> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntu.com/387950/
[00:50] <crimsun> kindofabuzz: you have a Riptide? I'm so sorry.
[00:50] <rww> hah
[00:50] <kindofabuzz> crimsun, i guess so. i mean sound works fine though
[00:50] <nemo> Hey guys.
[00:50] <nemo> 0.9.13 of Hedgewars will finally support PPC
[00:50] <nemo> (and, well, mips)
[00:51] <nemo> is there some particular person I should direct a request at adding those architectures once we do the release?
[00:51] <crimsun> kindofabuzz: do you have dmesg pastebinned, too?
[00:51] <kindofabuzz> crimsun, which command?
[00:52] <crimsun> dmesg
[00:53] <kindofabuzz> just pastebing dmesg?
[00:54] <crimsun> yes
[00:54] <kindofabuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/387952/
[00:55] <kindofabuzz> be back in a few
[01:09] <kindofabuzz> get anything out of that crimsun?
[01:16] <lamalex> I'm trying to report apport crashes, but apport is saying I've no network connection and can't contact the crash database
[01:17] <lamalex> anyone have any idea what that's about?
[01:17] <rww> lamalex: Launchpad's in readonly mode, that's probably why.
[01:17] <lamalex> right
[01:18] <lamalex> that keeps biting me, and I keep forgetting :P
[01:31] <balas> my CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio] doesn't work under lucid.  its listed under lspci.  i'm not sure what i can do to make it work
[01:32] <balas> the gnome volume control doesn't list the device
[01:48] <wers> what's the name of the package for the "light" theme? :)
[01:50] <plitter> hello i just installed ubuntu 10.04 on my virtual box, but its 800x600... and i cant install the guest addition because it was unable to build the kernel module
[01:51] <plitter> please dont tell me that i was supposed to install the vbox addition in my original computer
[01:54] <Raydiation> cool theme but can you set the close, minimize and maximze button to the right side too?
[01:54] <ChogyDan> plitter: did the install fail?  do you have the headers installed?
[02:00] <plitter> ChogyDan: what u mean?
[02:03] <ChogyDan> plitter: usually the install will give some sort of error message
[02:03] <plitter> ChogyDan: k, so it is installed then?
[02:04] <ChogyDan> I dunno, sorry
[02:06] <plitter> k
[02:06] <plitter> thx for trying:)
[02:06] <wers> Raydiation, yep. somewhere on gconf metacity. do you know what package it is? i want to download the gtk theme
[02:08] <wers> what's the name of the new theme? is it still "human"?
[02:10] <Raydiation> wers: hm no :)
[02:10] <Raydiation> wers: its light
[02:10] <Raydiation> "light"
[02:10] <Raydiation> the name
[02:10] <wers> Raydiation, ooh ok. you know the package name?
[02:11] <Raydiation> wers: hm no, i dont
[02:12] <wers> Raydiation, it's on the current alpha already right? i believe, it should be up by now. i
[02:13] <wers> i'm wondering why I cant find it on the lucid packages. it should be named like "light-gtk-theme"
[02:16] <Nitsuga> wers, it isn't in the alpha yet
[02:16] <Nitsuga> it will be in a few days
[02:17] <Nitsuga> and I thing you will be able to get it from ubuntu-desktop ppa when lauchpad leaves read-only mode
[02:17] <wers> Nitsuga, oh ok. so it's not downloadable anywhere yet?
[02:18] <rww> Nitsuga: Launchpad isn't in readonly mode any more
[02:18] <wgrant> Launchpad has been back for a while now.
[02:19] <Raydiation> wers: hm i think the theme at the bottom comes pretty close to it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/AlphaThemes
[02:19]  * wgrant really isn't a fan of the dark bits of the new "Light" widget theme.
[02:19] <wgrant> The dark gradients are just... wrong.
[02:19]  * holstein has xubntu karmic on a P3 with 256 :)
[02:19] <wers> Raydiation, the "new marmol"? i dont think so.. and this is incoming jaunty not lucid
[02:22] <holstein> sorry about that last post
[02:22] <holstein> i was scrolled way up the page where that would have been relevant :)
[02:25] <Raydiation> i personally like new wave the best, default theme on all my gnome installations since it came out
[02:27] <switchgirl> how do i edit the settings with thunderbird so it has the correct url handeler
[02:33] <jamalta> Hi there, anyone having any issues with Apache and PHP? I just did an upgrade and Apache segfaults if the PHP module is enabled
[02:39] <switchgirl> WHERE IS JAVA?
[02:39] <switchgirl> i NEEEEEEED JAVA
[02:40] <seanbrystone> i think ubuntu-restricted-extras has java
[02:40] <Nitsuga> !java | switchgirl
[02:40] <Nitsuga> !restricted | switchgirl
[02:40] <switchgirl> Nitsuga, i have it
[02:41] <switchgirl> it wont work
[02:41] <Raydiation> switchgirl: what program do you try to run?
[02:41] <switchgirl> ff
[02:41] <switchgirl> i need a chat applet
[02:41] <switchgirl> :(
[02:41] <Raydiation> hm are you running 64bit?
[02:42] <Raydiation> and did you restart firefox?
[02:42] <switchgirl> no 32bit
[02:44] <switchgirl> it has NX in thecorner left
[02:44] <Raydiation> switchgirl: install sun-java6-plugin
[02:44] <Raydiation> -> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[02:44] <Nafai> Is anyone else getting "Maxium number of clients reached" and then things unable to open the display after a while?
[02:45] <Raydiation> switchgirl: if it is already installed, firefox is not configured right
[02:45] <switchgirl> Raydiation, it loads
[02:45] <switchgirl> it crashes
[02:45] <switchgirl> i cry
[02:46] <Raydiation> switchgirl: ^^
[02:46] <Raydiation> i think an ajax chat applet is superior anyway
[02:46] <switchgirl> it loads it doesnt crash i cant resize it
[02:47] <Raydiation> switchgirl: you can see if java plugins is installed if you enter this in your url: about:plugins
[02:47] <switchgirl> IcedTea NPR Web Browser Plugin (using IcedTea6 1.8pre (6b18~pre1-1ubuntu1))
[02:47] <switchgirl> Shockwave Flash
[02:48] <switchgirl> Adobe Reader 9.3
[02:48] <switchgirl> VLC Multimedia Plugin (compatible Totem 2.29.91)
[02:48] <Raydiation> switchgirl: its the icedtea plugin
[02:48] <switchgirl> Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 (compatible; Totem)
[02:48] <Raydiation> interesting, they ship the open source version already
[02:48] <Raydiation> as standard
[02:56] <vbabiy> Anyone know when the light theme will be rolling out to 10.04
[02:56] <Some_Person> Is lucid's default theme really going to have a close button not in a corner?
[02:58] <ChogyDan> Some_Person: where is it?
[02:58] <Some_Person> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand
[02:59] <ChogyDan> so in the top right in those pics...
[03:00] <Some_Person> No, it's third from the end on the top-left
[03:01] <ChogyDan> Some_Person: OH, now I see what you mean
[03:01] <Some_Person> I don't like that idea
[03:02] <ChogyDan> y
[03:02] <Some_Person> Because I'll keep clicking the top-right out of instinct and it won't close
[03:03] <Some_Person> I think I can adjust to top-left though (I worked fine with OS X back in middle school), but third from the end seems really odd
[03:04] <Some_Person> I think if they want to keep it top-left then the close button should go in the corner
[03:06] <switchgirl> i run ff in wine aswel as native ubuntu Failed to change to directory '/home/alpha/.wine/dosdevices/c:/Program Files/Mozilla Firefox' (No such file or directory) <<or i did
[03:06] <ChogyDan> Some_Person: I think you will adjust.  I don't like how the shutdown and close window buttons are in different locations, top right and buffered left
[03:07] <ChogyDan> switchgirl: maybe it is the colon
[03:07] <Some_Person> Why would you run ff in wine?
[03:10] <switchgirl> Some_Person, try loading this: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Sky-Live-TV it doesnt stream live
[03:11] <Some_Person> useragent perhaps?
[03:11] <ChogyDan> switchgirl: am I watching a non-live stream?
[03:12] <rycole> Can anyone tell me which PHP version is available from the 10.04 repos? Is it 5.3?
[03:14] <ChogyDan> rycole: try packages.ubuntu.com or .org or something
[03:14] <ChogyDan> switchgirl: the stream works for me.  try -restricted-extras?
[03:14] <rycole> sweet, it is 5.3.
[03:15] <rycole> thanks. downloading alpha 3 now! :P
[03:15] <Some_Person> switchgirl: Have you tried using the user agent switcher extension?
[03:18] <switchgirl> nope
[03:34] <Some_Person> switchgirl: I'd try that. Set it to FF's windows user agent
[03:44] <sebsebseb> rww: http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/my-thoughts-on-the-ubuntu-branding-refresh/
[03:57] <sebsebseb> jono: http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/my-thoughts-on-the-ubuntu-branding-refresh/  yep 4th March, that guy is from New Zealand
[04:19] <tntc> is there a way to disable rxandr brightness control in gnome-power-manager?  My video card does brightness managment in the hardware (apparantly)
[04:20] <tntc> and GPM just changes the brightness a second time.
[04:21] <vlad003> I looked on the Ubuntu Brand wiki page and I saw the new look for Ubuntu. Is the metacity theme the final one or is it a suggestion?
[04:28] <Kai_> I'm all for ditching Human, but if the replacement is purple and orange... ew.
[04:28]  * Kai_ shudders
[04:28] <sebsebseb> Kai_: It seems they are trying to be OS X like.
[04:28] <Kai_> yeah, ew.
[04:29] <Kai_> I wonder how many complaints Canonical has gotten so far.
[04:29] <porter1> Does anyone at all know why the two giant borders were added to the dust theme?
[04:29] <vlad003> I don't mind the colour scheme
[04:29] <vlad003> I kind of like it
[04:30] <DanaG> Raydiation: what theme were you asking about buttons on?
[04:30] <DanaG> I didn't notice any buttons-on-the-left themes.
[04:30] <DanaG> (02:49:36 PM) Raydiation: cool theme but can you set the close button to the right side too?
[04:30] <Kai_> However, the new logo looks awesome.
[04:30] <sebsebseb> Kai_: 8.10 had such a nice default background,  then 9.04 it's :(  and 9.10 wasn't much better
[04:30] <Kai_> DanaG: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand
[04:31] <DanaG> I like it, except for that Copyright symbol.  =þ
[04:31] <sebsebseb> Kai_: DanaG  http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/my-thoughts-on-the-ubuntu-branding-refresh/
[04:31] <sebsebseb> which also links to jono's blog entry
[04:31] <Kai_> sebsebseb: 8.10 wasn't really as awesome as 8.04. No one can deny that Hardy had the best background.
[04:31] <vlad003> so the metacity theme is final? the one on the wiki
[04:31] <DanaG> yeah, buttons on the left... bad.
[04:31] <Kai_> Also, I don't understand why backgrounds can't be related to the version name.
[04:31] <DanaG> just ask people who make Windowblinds themes.
[04:31] <sebsebseb> Kai_: well  I helped a woman quite a bit with Ubuntu, and she hated the  Hardy background
[04:31] <Kai_> sebsebseb: WHAT? why? :o
[04:31] <sebsebseb> Kai_: since she didn't like orange or whatever it was
[04:31] <tntc> I'm worried about the bars being the same color like that, among other things.  Compiz wobbly windows tends to tear windo decorations a bit at the top
[04:32] <Kai_> tntc: that's if you don't have antialiasing
[04:32] <tntc> o_O really?
[04:32] <tntc> how do I turn that on?
[04:32] <tntc> because that freaking drives me NUTS!
[04:32] <Kai_> I have 16x antialiasing, "Best" texture filter on compiz, "higher performance" opengl settings in nvidia, and it is AWESOME
[04:32] <Kai_> er
[04:32] <Kai_> "higher appearance"
[04:32] <Kai_> mah bad
[04:32] <DanaG> How do you get the nvidia settings to apply?
[04:32] <Raydiation> DanaG: the new "light" theme
[04:32] <DanaG> I'd never managed to get that to work.
[04:33] <Kai_> DanaG: nvidia-xsettings
[04:33] <Raydiation> but apparently you can set it with gconf-editor
[04:33] <Kai_> You don't "apply," it magically changes.
[04:33] <DanaG> Stupid nvidia doesn't automatically load settings, last time I tried.
[04:33] <tntc> Kai_: I'll give it a shot.  I wonder if I can do the same with intel graphics.
[04:33] <Kai_> tntc: No.
[04:33] <Kai_> intel graphics... er...
[04:33] <Kai_> sorry, but they suck. =[
[04:33] <tntc> See, I don't think it's just antialiasing.  Especially since it doesn't seem to happen with emerald.
[04:33] <Kai_> I used to use a laptop with them, it was horrible. No antialiasing! argh.
[04:34] <Kai_> tntc: what, really? o.o
[04:34] <bjsnider> DanaG, the nvidia-settings file in your home directory is applied on startup
[04:34] <tntc> it's like the window decorations were... I duno, better glued to the windows.
[04:34] <DanaG> Ah, granted, the last time I tried... was 1.5 years ago.
[04:34] <sebsebseb> Kai_: then in I think it was Edgy,  that tree background by default, which is pretty nice
[04:34] <Kai_> It wasn't that great in Jaunty... you had to run "nvidia-settings -l" and then restart compiz...
[04:34] <sebsebseb> Kai_: I think it was default maybe not
[04:34] <Kai_> sebsebseb: Crunchy Branch? no, that's debian
[04:34] <bjsnider> DanaG, .nvidia-settings-rc'
[04:35] <DanaG> How does it actually load those, though?
[04:35] <DanaG> does the driver do it?
[04:35] <DanaG> ubuntu©
[04:35] <tntc> hey, does DVD playback work in gstreamer again?
[04:35] <DanaG> yeah, looks like copyright.
[04:35] <DanaG> what ATI does: /etc/ati/amdpcsdb.
[04:35] <DanaG> Cryptic, but persistent.
[04:35] <sebsebseb> Kai_: Cruncy Branch?    anyway a default background similar to the one in 8.10, but of of a Lucid Lynx, that would of been :)
[04:36] <Kai_> would have.
[04:36] <sebsebseb> yeah would have
[04:37] <Kai_> Silly pronunciation, you're affecting how people write =[
[04:37] <Kai_> Aaaanyway.
[04:37] <DanaG> should'vvvvvvvvvvvvvv
[04:37] <sebsebseb> Kai_: whatever I sometimes use the wrong word on IRC.
[04:37] <DanaG> yeah, the logo on the right looks bad©
[04:38] <sebsebseb> DanaG: logo on the right?
[04:38] <DanaG> yeah.
[04:38] <sebsebseb> DanaG: oh yeah
[04:38] <DanaG> instead of (circle)ubuntu it's ubuntu©
[04:38] <sebsebseb> DanaG: next to the Ubuntu
[04:38] <bjsnider> DanaG, the blob must do it, why?
[04:38] <DanaG> I was just curious about the NV thing.
[04:39] <sebsebseb> DanaG: the logo seems ok to me, but that could have been better as well some how
[04:39] <DanaG> That's one thing I always hated about nvidia: the settings never seemed to stick for me.
[04:39] <DanaG> I had to manually add nvidia-settings -l  ... and then restart compiz ... before the settings took effect.
[04:39] <bjsnider> DanaG, i don't know why you keep trying to use the legacy blocs with that tnt2. it's never going to work
[04:39] <Kai_> It's not ubuntu©, it's ubuntu(ubuntu logo)
[04:40] <DanaG> bjsnider: I'm not on the legacy topic now; I'm speaking of a laptop with GeForce Go 7600.
[04:40] <DanaG> LCD died, though -- so I don't use the thing.
[04:40] <Kai_> GeForce GT 130M in this laptop of awesomeness :D
[04:40] <DanaG> hmm, got geforce 9? er, 8?
[04:40] <Kai_> Compiz is smooth and awesomefullness.
[04:40] <DanaG> =þ
[04:40] <Kai_> Omg, that's a th.
[04:40] <DanaG> yeah, GT 130 is really a GeForce 9 is really a GeForce 8.
[04:41] <sebsebseb> as for the buttons being on the left,  I guess if enough people change, it will go back on the right,  just like how  they were going to remove Open Office from the Netbook Edition,  however since enough people complained it's still in
[04:41] <Kai_> Or a lowercase beta?
[04:41] <DanaG> Kai_: visually speaking, it does look like ubuntu©
[04:41] <Kai_> DanaG: Nah, more like ubuntu®
[04:41] <DanaG> yeah.
[04:42]  * h00k begins discussion about controls on the left side and expresses general dislike.
[04:42] <sebsebseb> ah  that's one thing typing  the wrong word sometimes,  because I did it,  that's another typing wrong word like typeo.  above  that's  complain not change.
[04:42] <DanaG> h00k: welcome to the party.
[04:42] <h00k> DanaG: I figured.
[04:42] <Kai_> normally there isn't a superscript © after the word but instead an ®
[04:42]  * DanaG also wonders: why the heck does nvidia even BOTHER releasing drivers that do nothing but segfault?
[04:42] <h00k> I'm hoping that's a mockup and not necessarily the default look.
[04:42] <Raydiation> DanaG: he, my laptop got 7600go too
[04:43] <Kai_> DanaG: They work fine for me. Is your card supported? Look at the package description and see if your card is in the list.
[04:43] <Kai_> The package description of the nvidia drivers, I mean.
[04:43] <sebsebseb> h00k: oh right you missed it and I messed up anyway, so  basically what I just put here well tried to put here is this.   if  enough people complain about  the buttons being on the left,  they will probably put them on the right.  Just like how quite a lot of people complained about how they were going to remove Open Office from  the netbook edition,  and so it's still in.
[04:43] <DanaG> Kai_: I have two topics here: nvidia-settings rant, about the GeForce 7 series.  Legacy drivers rant, about a *cough*oneplusoneequalsFOUR* MX.
[04:44] <Kai_> ...o_O?
[04:44] <h00k> sebsebseb: yeah, I did follow the whole netbook-openoffice dealio.
[04:44] <DanaG> my gripe with nvidia is that it never applied settings on login, last time I tried it.
[04:44] <DanaG> er, the modern-card gripe is that.
[04:44] <sebsebseb> h00k: they are trying to make Ubuntu be like OS X, that's not a good thing
[04:44] <sebsebseb> h00k: Ubuntu should be well Ubuntu
[04:45] <sebsebseb> h00k: not try and look like some other OS
[04:45] <h00k> the rest is slick, I really like it, just not the button placement
[04:45] <DanaG> And if I were to get a new system soon... I'd get one with Mobility FirePro M5800.
[04:45] <sebsebseb> h00k: with the exception of other  Gnome  Linux distros of course
[04:46] <Kai_> "Lolz! Let's stand out and be different from other operating systems! *copies osx by putting the window decoration buttons on the left side*" // Bad Canonical, bad!
[04:46] <Kai_> But maybe Canonical didn't make the "light" theme
[04:46] <sebsebseb> h00k: the background is like OS X as well,  I would have much prefered a background similar to the one in 8.10, of a Lucid Lynx
[04:46] <sebsebseb> h00k: ,but of a Lucid Lynx, above
[04:46] <DanaG> oh, and one place where ATI is way better than NV: on PowerPC.
[04:47] <DanaG> =þ
[04:47] <DanaG> nice article title: http://www.techeye.net/software/amd-and-nvidia-bitchfight-over-open-source-support
[04:47] <h00k> I don't mind the wallpaper, and I understand the theme is easily changeable, I just don't know if users, particularly new users, will like the button placement
[04:48] <sebsebseb> h00k: yes those buttons on the left is a pretty bad idea
[04:48] <sebsebseb> h00k: most of Ubuntu's users come from Windows,  and they are used to having such buttons on the right.
[04:48] <sebsebseb> h00k: plus the other Gnome Linux distros will still have them on the right
[04:48] <h00k> sebsebseb: well, and that's just how gnome generally does it.
[04:49] <DanaG> ubuntu® looks unfriendly to me, with that symbol and all.
[04:49] <DanaG> =þ
[04:49] <sebsebseb> DanaG: Explain?
[04:49] <DanaG> That superscript logo looks like a registered-trademark symbol, instead of a company logo.
[04:49] <sebsebseb> DanaG: yeah a bit I guess
[04:50] <h00k> except it's not
[04:50] <sebsebseb> h00k: yep
[04:50] <DanaG> Still reeks of it to me, though.
[04:51] <DanaG> Windows® Vista
[04:51] <DanaG> not sure that's correct, though.
[04:55] <DanaG> interesting: http://home.comcast.net/~odnt/12012009.jpg
[04:59] <DanaG> <crickets chirping>
[04:59] <DanaG> =þ
[05:01] <DanaG> I must admit, I do really like the purple.
[05:01] <DanaG> =þ
[05:02] <crimsun> I wonder how many people are thinking "zomg os x"
[05:03] <DanaG> if they want a knockoff... they could at least do a GOOD knockoff.
[05:03] <DanaG> like that one I just linked.
[05:03] <DanaG> Not el-cheapo knockoff.
[05:03] <andre_pl> I'm looking for an excuse to try out lucid... is there a list of highlights that are currently implemented?
[05:04] <DanaG> er, bigger issue is the controls-on-the-left and that ubuntu® superscript.
[05:04] <DanaG> er, supe®script.
[05:06] <DanaG> random question: which is more amusing?
[05:06] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/iamoled.avi  www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/iamoled-yakety.avi
[05:07] <DanaG> =þ
[05:07] <sebsebseb> DanaG: don't feel like going on those, and it's obviously off topic, and so
[05:07] <sebsebseb> !ot | DanaG
[05:08] <sebsebseb> DanaG: as for your other link,  uh right ok whatever at that.
[05:08] <DanaG> the "odnt" one is a theme called "Sabertooth".
[05:08] <sebsebseb> DanaG: the top bar in that screen shot,  I thought  Windows 7
[05:08] <DanaG> yup, it is.
[05:09] <DanaG> But, it's an example of "good knockoff" -- and even has buttons on the right.
[05:09] <arand> So the controls-on-right is going to be theme-dependend? or over-arching?
[05:10] <DanaG> er, left?
[05:10] <arand> mm, yea...
[05:11] <sebsebseb> DanaG: I am glad I changed my mind about the videos, well I would of gone on them later I expect anyway.
[05:12] <sebsebseb> DanaG: Rather interesting videos,  I woudn't say funny though,  but nice to watch yeah.
[05:12] <sebsebseb> and the sound with them which is ok as well
[05:12] <DanaG> First one is the original.  Came with my music player to show off the screen's brightness.  Second one is me splicing different audio in.  anyway, at that, enough off-topic. =þ
[05:15] <andre_pl> beta1 comes out tomorrow?
[05:16] <crimsun> andre_pl: 18 Mar
[05:17] <Damascene> good morning,
[05:25] <sjuxax> Hi. Can someone tell me why the new default theme moved the window controls to top-left?
[05:26] <Damascene> sjuxax, are you using alpha 3?
[05:26] <sjuxax> No. I saw the new buttons on the Ubuntu wiki and want to know the reasoning behind the change.
[05:27] <Damascene> where?
[05:27] <rww> Damascene: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand
[05:29] <Damascene> that is only in the screen shot taker windows
[05:29] <DanaG> http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/my-thoughts-on-the-ubuntu-branding-refresh/
[05:30] <vish> the metacity buttons on the left is nothing more than trying to copy OSX :/
[05:37] <DanaG> /usr/lib/couchdb/bin/couchjs: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:38] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Your blog post or just one you found interesting?
[05:38] <DanaG> just one I read.
[05:40] <Damascene> http://paste.ubuntu.com/388069/
[05:40] <Damascene> what does that mean?
[05:41] <DanaG> what is this "desktop couch" thing?  I don't want furniture sitting on my desk!  =þ
[05:41] <ZykoticK9> Having that "ubuntu-artwork" just sitting in my Update Manager... seems like such a tease
[05:41] <rww> DanaG: Database backend for things like Ubuntu One
[05:42] <DanaG> All I've seen it do is hammer my CPU.
[05:42] <rww> DanaG: I think I nuked it (and Ubuntu One) with no ill effects.
[05:44] <sjuxax> Does Canonical have any of its own focus groups or anything to justify that change?
[05:44] <sjuxax> Also, aren't the controls reversed from the OS X position? OS X close is furthest left, here it is furthest right, although the controls are same spotted
[05:44] <sjuxax> or am I remembering that wrong?
[05:44] <rww> sjuxax: correct, it's different from OS X
[05:45] <DanaG> Which makes it all the more "fail".
[05:45] <sjuxax> Seriously
[05:45] <ZykoticK9> ahhh - people have the new theme already?
[05:45] <sjuxax> What is with this? Can we be loud enough to prevent them from pushing with that?
[05:45] <Jordan_U> sjuxax, Supposedly they actually setup sessions where they just watch users using Ubuntu, I don't know how often they do that though.
[05:46] <sjuxax> Jordan_U: Right, that's fine, that's usability testing. I hope there is sufficient data to justify this because it breaks every convention users are used to
[05:46] <rww> ZykoticK9: no, they're going off of wiki screenshots
[05:46] <sjuxax> including existing Ubuntu users
[05:46] <ZykoticK9> rww, ahhh thanks
[05:46] <Jordan_U> sjuxax, Canonical can be hard headed, but software store did get renamed to software center ( which I didn't think would happen ) from community pressure.
[05:47] <sjuxax> That's encouraging I guess.
[05:50] <Jordan_U> Will lucid be including mp3 support by default? It would seem kind of odd to have to install it separately before you can use the music store.
[05:51] <arand> Jordan_U: Rhytmbox will have a plugin afaik
[05:53] <DanaG> hah, on my netbook, the leftmost dropdown-box of the login screen actually hangs 3/4 of the way off the screen.
[05:53] <DanaG> And the rightmost dropdown-box has the accessibility icon OVERLAPPING it.
[05:55] <Ian_Corne> Anyone else got ubuntu-artwork broken atm?
[05:56] <rww> Ian_Corne: yep. It's depending on a package that doesn't exist yet.
[05:56] <Ian_Corne> ok :)
[05:56] <arand> a theme thingy for empathy more precisely.
[05:57] <rww> adium-theme-ubuntu, more precisely ;P
[05:58] <arand> Indeed, which seems was published, but hasn't made it out into the repos yet..
[06:01] <DanaG> grr, stupid gwibber... froze and crashed when I tried to add facebook... and then showed it in the thing 3 times (since I'd tried 3 times).
[06:01] <sjuxax> What is gwibber
[06:02] <DanaG> a thingy for facebook and twitter and such.
[06:04] <DanaG> [error] [<0.597.0>] Uncaught error in HTTP request: {exit,normal}
[06:05] <Andre_Gondim> my gwibber doesn't shows any updates in main windows
[06:05] <DanaG> so far all I've seen it do is devour CPU time.
[06:05] <torasuku> I assume the alphas don't have the new themes yet?
[06:06] <rww> torasuku: correct
[06:06] <DanaG> great, stupid couchdb.
[06:07] <sjuxax> DanaG: WHAT IS GREAT ABOUT COUCHDB RIGHT NOW
[06:07] <arand> I'm guessing it will land in time for beta, or thereabouts..
[06:07] <DanaG> huh?  is that a question, or a statement?  and STOP YELLING.
[06:08] <sjuxax> man sometimes I feel like yelling, ok? don't tell me what to do
[06:08] <sjuxax> It's a question
[06:12] <DanaG> What's so great?  Nothing.  it sucks.
[06:12] <DanaG> It just sits there eating cpu time, and doing nothing.
[06:20] <DanaG> Stupid furniture.
[06:24] <rww> DanaG: Think of it more of squatteronyourcouchdb!
[06:33] <Viper1432> couchdb = a place to sit while filing bug reports about it.  currently crashes constantly over here.
[06:52] <DanaG> mmyeah, couchdb fails.
[06:52] <DanaG> and so does empathy.
[06:52] <DanaG> offers to import my accounts from pidgin, so I click apply.
[06:52] <DanaG> Dialog closes, nothing happens.  Go back to accounts, and none exist.
[07:20] <Surrador> GNAA member DiKKy, on loan from NATO class dunce Norway, as if on cue dumped
[07:20] <Surrador> a 55 gallon drum of whipped semen into the Justice Department's Martin Luther
[07:20] <Surrador> King, Jr. meditative koi pond. As carp drowned in the sticky mucosal fluid,
[07:20] <Surrador> DiKKy took the microphone from a timecop overcome by emotion at the sacrifice
[07:20] <Surrador> of so much precious gay nigger seed. "Gummy bears make it taste like rubber
[07:20] <Surrador> cement - no, that's not a pun. And salmon, of course," said DiKKy, "which makes
[07:20] <Surrador> it taste oily. Oh, and here's a big no-no: asparagus.  Yucky."
[07:20] <rww> !ops | Surrador
[07:20] <sjuxax> votekick Surrador
[07:21] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[07:21] <rww> Amaranth: thanks
[07:58] <Ian_Corne> boo still get the old boot screen :(
[08:25] <rgl> hi.
[08:46] <Andy80> I was looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand I mean... are you serious?
[08:46] <BUGabundo_remote> morninguetto
[08:47] <Semitones> seriously
[08:47] <BUGabundo_remote> I got to read that _better_
[08:48] <BUGabundo_remote> see if it agrees with my POV
[08:48] <BUGabundo_remote> if I stay or  if I move
[08:49] <Andy80> a simple thing: do you think that moving "minimize/maximize/close" buttons on the left will make new users life easier?
[08:49] <Andy80> do you think that removing the icon from the windo title bar is it good?
[08:50] <Andy80> it looks like OSX style
[08:51] <Semitones> I don't know what they were thinking
[08:51] <Semitones> I mean, how HIGH do you have to be to come up with that
[08:52] <zniavre> Andy80, in one way keeping tp the right is like windows style
[08:52] <zniavre> tp>to *
[08:53] <Andy80> people can move from windows to Linux
[08:53] <Andy80> I know some people who did this
[08:53] <Andy80> but I really don't know anyone that moved from OSX to Linux!
[08:54] <Andy80> who has money to spend in Apple products will never switch to Linux
[08:54] <Andy80> keep it in mind
[08:55] <Semitones> One of the things I liked about GNOME right off the bat was how much it felt like os x
[08:55] <Semitones> and that was back in 2006
[08:57] <Andy80> maybe lot of Ubuntu UI designer are OSX lover then..
[08:59] <zniavre> does gwibber work on your install ?
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> zniavre: decktop couch db is broken at the moment
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> so, no, gwibber isn't working right now
[09:05] <BUGabundo_remote> hasn't been for the last 4 days
[09:05] <zniavre> its what is saying apport that s right
[09:07] <Jordan_U> Andy80, I switched from OSX to linux.
[09:13] <dichtbijzee> what about these new themes, when are they coming to lucid, i have updated just now and cant seem to find them. today being the uifreeze and all.
[09:16] <zniavre> today is24hours long
[09:16] <zniavre> :o)
[09:18] <dichtbijzee> ok, ill check back tonight
[09:18] <dichtbijzee> thnx
[09:21] <rye> Hello. Is anybody experiencing any errors with Qemu/KVM for Linux guests on 10.04 ?
[09:22] <indus> !nfo gimp
[09:22] <indus> !info gimp
[09:23] <indus> !theme
[09:26] <rye> Additionally is someone running Lucid with /home on a separate partition, have you encountered the hangs with "Waiting for /home [SM]" displayed in plymouth ?
[09:27] <indus> rye, what is plymouth
[09:27] <indus> never seen it
[09:28] <rye> indus, the graphical boot replcacement for usplash
[09:28] <indus> i know
[09:28] <indus> but i havent seen it
[09:28] <rye> indus, and you are running separate /home partition, right?
[09:28] <indus> anyways i have /home separate but havent seen error you see
[09:28] <indus> si
[09:28] <indus> i mean yes
[09:28] <indus> actually all i see is a blinking cursor before xsplash starts
[09:29] <indus> and yesterday i did something and now no gui
[09:29] <rye> indus, hm, what other partitions are located not on / ? I have /boot, /home, /var, /usr and /opt ...
[09:29] <indus> well, only / and /home i have
[09:30] <rye> the real problem is I can not find out what causes /home not to be mounted... it just hangs and does not react to anything but magic sysrq...
[09:30] <indus> anyways iam reformatting today cause iam moving this to production status  :)
[09:30] <rye> and it took me 5 reboots to get here :)
[09:30] <MindVirus> Hey.
[09:30] <indus> rye, probably a udev issue
[09:30] <MindVirus> Will the notifications area be deprecated?
[09:30] <indus> rye, frankly its too complex for me to help
[09:31] <indus> everyone having plymouth here?
[09:31] <indus> i dont see it
[09:31] <rye> indus, might be, but I can't get mountall to write any logs, even with syslog being selected and recompiled...
[09:31] <indus> of courSe ATI 4850 CARD with radeon drivers
[09:31] <MindVirus> Anyone know?
[09:32] <rye> ok, will reboot once more. If that does not work (and KVM is still broken) then I will file the bug... at least about something.
[09:32] <indus> MindVirus, i dont know
[09:32] <rye> since KVM is critical for testing stuff :)
[09:32] <indus> rye, kvm?
[09:32] <rye> indus, kernel virtual machine - kvm/qemu vm
[09:32] <MindVirus> Does anyone else?
[09:32] <indus> doh !
[09:32] <rye> indus, all my vms died
[09:32] <MindVirus> Why are there two notification areas?
[09:32] <indus> MindVirus, i dont have gui
[09:32] <MindVirus> indus: That's a shame.
[09:32] <indus> guys can you help? i removed ubuntu desktop now cant install it
[09:32] <rye> MindVirus, what do you mean by _two_ notification area?
[09:33] <rye> s
[09:33] <indus> says smbclient dependency umnet
[09:33] <indus> unment
[09:33] <MindVirus> rye: There's the one that has the network connections thing.
[09:33] <MindVirus> The old-school one.
[09:33] <MindVirus> And the new one that has bluetooth, rhythmbox, volume, and social stuff.
[09:34] <rye> MindVirus, ah, those are indicator-applets. Not all apps support indicator api, that's why probably we will have two types of notification icons
[09:34] <MindVirus> rye: There will be two types?
[09:35] <MindVirus> Why the transition to indicator-applets?
[09:36] <rye> MindVirus, Because every application tends to implement its own way of working with its icon.
[09:36] <rye> MindVirus, and the API is compatible with KDE i believe. ok
[09:36] <rye> i need to reboot, wish me luck
[09:36] <MindVirus> rye: It's compatible with KDE and not GNOME.
[09:37] <MindVirus> Wow.
[09:37] <MindVirus> That is a stupid design decision.
[09:37] <MindVirus> Doing anything because of something that used to be named Kool Desktop Environment is just silly.
[09:37] <MindVirus> Hmm, on second thought, it may be fairly smart, as this way interfaces will be unified.
[09:39] <MindVirus> Does anyone have any luck with gwibber?
[09:39] <MindVirus> It doesn't run at all here.
[09:45] <MindVirus> Hello again, rye.
[09:45] <MindVirus> Do you have any luck with gwibber?
[09:46] <rye> MindVirus, there is a biiig issue with desktopcouch at the moment
[09:46] <MindVirus> What's that?
[09:47] <rye> MindVirus, gwibber depends on desktopcouch and recent "release" broke it. If you start dc you will find out that it segfaults eventually due to not thread-safe calls
[09:47] <rye> We have it "fixed" but it is not yet released
[09:47] <MindVirus> I see.
[09:47] <MindVirus> You're a dev?
[09:48] <rye> MindVirus, I am in ops team in the neighbor project (ubuntuone)
[09:48] <rye> MindVirus, ubuntuone uses desktopcouch as well and for some reason it is more successful than gwibber in getting info from it.
[09:49] <MindVirus> rye: Will Ubuntu One ever support custom directories?
[09:49] <MindVirus> As in, a custom Ubuntu One directory?
[09:49] <rye> MindVirus, it is now :)
[09:49] <MindVirus> rye: Where can I change it?
[09:49] <rye> MindVirus, this is not yet released as a stable release but it is working now. Also there is no UI for that, only command-line capability
[09:50] <rye> MindVirus, I believe there are nightly builds that can be used to test that. And these files in custom dirs are not yet available via the web ui, it is being reworked as well
[09:51] <MindVirus> rye: Will Ubuntu One include the ability to save settings, as in ~/.* (obviously not .ssh and dirs like that)?
[09:51] <rye> MindVirus, sorry, don't think I understand your question
[09:51] <MindVirus> rye: Think about ~/.*.
[09:52] <MindVirus> All folders in the home directory that start with .
[09:52] <MindVirus> Those are the folders in which settings are stored.
[09:52] <rye> MindVirus, if you add, say .directory as UDF (user-designated folder) then upon sync the other pc will get that directory at the same location (the path relative to your $HOME  is used), so... yes.
[09:52] <MindVirus> What I would like is for Ubuntu One to automatically save all settings folders.
[09:53] <MindVirus> rye: That is stupid and a waste.
[09:53] <MindVirus> rye: I mean ALL .*.
[09:53] <MindVirus> That should be included as a feature.
[09:53] <rye> MindVirus, incuding thumbnails?
[09:53] <MindVirus> rye: What thumbnails?
[09:54] <MindVirus> rye: Obviously not thumbnails.
[09:54] <MindVirus> rye: Obviously not .ssh.
[09:54] <rww> So you end up with a whole bunch of exceptions, will probably still end up catching passwords anyway, and get huge amounts of whining when that happens. No thanks :)
[09:55] <rye> MindVirus, including .osd notification logs, macromedia flash cache, .metacity cache, .gvfs mounted directories, .fontconfig cache, .ccache ?
[09:55] <MindVirus> Ignore all exceptions.
[09:55] <MindVirus> Those are not settings, obviously.
[09:56] <MindVirus> I don't literally mean "all folders in the home folder that start with '.'".
[09:56] <rww> Then why did you say that :\
[09:56] <MindVirus> I mean "all settings files and folders".
[09:56] <MindVirus> rww: It is easy to understand what I'm talking about. I wouldn't understand if someone said "settings files".
[09:56] <rww> Hell, even .gconf has passwords in it when insane applications -- like rhythmbox plugins -- put them there.
[09:56] <rye> MindVirus, the problem is that "setting dir" is no different from "other dir" and some settings will definitely not work on other computers because you might even have different logins on different machines
[09:56] <MindVirus> rye: Well, first, settings dirs mostly start with ".".
[09:57] <rye> MindVirus, ls -l .metacity - dot-dir, but definitely not "settings"
[09:58] <MindVirus> rww: You can put a password into anything. There are some documents that are intended to be kept secret. Anything in .gconf is not sensitive.
[09:58] <MindVirus> I may be overgeneralizing.
[09:58] <MindVirus> There can, perhaps, be a whitelist.
[09:59] <rye> MindVirus, I believe it is better to have the control on what to sync than to sync something extremely sensitive to a pc that can be easily accessed by someone you don't want to share files with.
[09:59] <MindVirus> "Include settings files? Y/N" could be in the Ubuntu One settings dialog. Under that could be "Except these directories:".
[09:59] <MindVirus> rye: That's why the option should be available.
[10:00] <rww> distinguishing non-sensitive "settings files" from sensitive passwords/private keys/whatever and cache files is non-trivial.
[10:00] <rye> MindVirus, The application does not say "this is a setting file" to any part of the system when it creates the directory
[10:00] <MindVirus> Include a disclaimer!
[10:00] <MindVirus> "This may upload dangerous information."
[10:01] <rye> MindVirus, that's why there is a XDG config directories, by default - .config - but not all aps want to put their configs there
[10:01] <MindVirus> rye: You can have a whitelist.
[10:01] <MindVirus> ".config" can be a directory in it.
[10:02] <rye> MindVirus, Imagine background setting - /usr/share/backgrounds/nicepic.jpg. But another machine might not have this file at all, so that the setting is synced but that is of no use.
[10:02]  * rye believes background is somewhere in .gconf
[10:02] <rww> it is
[10:03] <MindVirus> Can my suggestion possibly be done, theoretically?
[10:03] <rye> MindVirus, applications can start saving their preferences in couchdb but that obviously requires couchdb... and this is not a standard, only gwibber has implemented that
[10:05] <MindVirus> Hmm. Perhaps because I don't have it installed, Gwibber is not running?
[10:05] <rye> MindVirus, it can be done once a) all applications start writing configuration in one place, b) applications start storing configuration in couchdb. And I don't feel the second one is good, since while that has a 'wow, the settings are already here', couchdb does not really suited for such kind of data.
[10:06] <MindVirus> rye: You don't believe, even theoretically, it's possible otherwise?
[10:06] <MindVirus> I do.
[10:06] <MindVirus> Have a whitelist; don't include certain lines in certain files in the whitelist.
[10:07] <MindVirus> But I get your point.
[10:07] <rye> MindVirus, otherwise it will require hunting for application settings that can change between releases and easily break all the instances if it did it in a wrong way. There is no standard for application "setting". Applications are free to choose whatever format is best for them
[10:07] <MindVirus> When is the art drop?
[10:08] <MindVirus> I understand.
[10:08] <MindVirus> Do you know when the art drop is?
[10:10] <MindVirus> No?
[10:10] <MindVirus> In Ubuntu Netbook Edition, is there any way to change the ordering of Favorites?
[10:10] <MindVirus> Any way to add a folder to favorites?
[10:25] <sanderqd> so is there a ppa with the new theme yet? :-)
[10:27] <rye> is there a new theme? :)
[10:28] <rww> rye: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand
[10:28] <rww> sanderqd: Not to my knowledge, no. I imagine it'll appear in the main repositories sometime soon, though.
[10:28] <rye> o_O
[10:28] <sanderqd> ok, cool
[10:29] <rye> ooo shiney!
[10:31]  * Andy80 don't like it :\
[10:33] <rapha> Hi all!
[10:34] <rapha> Is that "new theme" (http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/ubuntu-dumps-the-brown-introduces-new-theme.ars) for real or are they just showing a mockup there?
[10:34] <om26er> rapha: thats real
[10:34] <rapha> omg
[10:34] <rye> rapha, the branding is real for sure, and I was adviced that there is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand :)
[10:34] <rapha> i mean i'm all for changing the current look, but ...
[10:35] <rapha> what's with the mac rip-off everywhere?
[10:35] <rapha> also moving the windows buttons to the upper left corner violates fitt's law
[10:35] <om26er> rapha: that's people just ranting
[10:35] <rapha> nah take a mac screenshot and compare them
[10:35] <rapha> you'll see it's not just ranting without reason
[10:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm... i hadnt noticed that new button location
[10:36] <rapha> but the worst thing rly is the buttons on the left instead the right corner
[10:36] <rapha> and maybe the button icons
[10:36] <rww> The worse-than-that thing is that the close button is still on the right side of the group of three buttons.
[10:36] <rapha> as the lower panel has been removed, the "minimize" button basically points nowhere
[10:36] <rww> so it's not in the corner of the window any more. which is just weird.
[10:37] <rapha> and the maximise button's icon (^) is misleading since maximising is also in the x and not only the y direction
[10:37] <rapha> yeah that too rww
[10:38] <rapha> what i absolutely *love* is that they seem to have used Shiki Colors for a base theme
[10:38] <viliny> how is this like a mac?
[10:38] <viliny> im not questioning, im asking :)
[10:38] <indus> whats shiki colors? they have a monopoly on colors?
[10:38] <indus> its purple
[10:39] <viliny> he said _S_hiki _C_olors which leads me to believe it's the name of a theme
[10:39] <rapha> viliny: button location, only a top and no bottom panel, the introduction of purple, rounded window corners
[10:39] <rye> erm... rapha - do you know where the bottom panel went and where are the buttons for open applications are now?
[10:39] <rapha> indus: Shiki Colors is one of the most widely used set of replacement themes for Linux ... Mint even uses it by default
[10:40] <rapha> rye: nah trying to find it out right now ... maybe they've adopted something finder-like
[10:40] <viliny> rapha, it's only slightly rounder that what i already have... but button placement is weird yeah
[10:41] <viliny> and i haven't associated purple with mac before, haven't really seen much of them either though
[10:41] <rapha> "These designs are still at a relatively early stage and will undergo further refinement prior to the official release." AAAAAH!
[10:41] <rapha> good!
[10:41] <rapha> viliny: the default wallpaper on macs is purple
[10:41] <indus> rapha, i dont like it personallyy
[10:41] <om26er> this theme supports csd
[10:42] <viliny> yeah that just looks boring, hope they make it cooler - i downloaded a lucid lynx alternative iso yesterday and thought it was vanilla lynx but turns out it was some ubuntu studio theme and stuff... i quite liked that one
[10:42] <rapha> viliny: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/82/Snow_Leopard_Desktop.png
[10:42] <rapha> om26er: what's csd?
[10:43] <om26er> rapha: client side window decorations
[10:43] <om26er> cody russel wrote on a chromium bug report that new theme in lucid will be csd enabled
[10:44] <rapha> ah k
[10:44] <viliny> okay yeah, i definetly see your point when putting these two side by side rapha
[10:44] <viliny> what does that mean really?
[10:44] <viliny> i thought all decorations were... client side?
[10:46] <om26er> viliny: that means that the application can draw the window border, its not compelled to use the window border of the theme, correct me if I am wrong
[10:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats a feature?
[10:48] <viliny> yeah i don't either, thats why im asking... but that sentence doesn't make me understand it any better :)
[10:48] <viliny> Ah, now i get it
[10:48] <rapha> hmm
[10:48] <rapha> now, the BOOT screen RLY rocks
[10:48] <rapha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=boot.png
[10:48] <rapha> seems to take a hint from Haiku
[10:48] <viliny> Wouldn't that lead to alot of inconsistencies in the gui if every program can decide what they want to wear?
[10:49] <viliny> rapha, i use linux so i don't have to see boot screens too often :O)
[10:49] <om26er> viliny: but things will get for chromium browser
[10:49] <om26er> *better
[10:50] <viliny> yeah hey, i was a bit weirded out by the fact that firefox in lynx used yahoo customized start page... whats up with that?
[10:50] <rapha> viliny: yeah, i usually just suspend the computer as well, but if booting and returning from suspend would take an equal amount of time like they claim it will soon be, then why not shut down
[10:51] <om26er> viliny: thats probably something you already know
[10:51] <viliny> rapha, yeah... open programs maybe
[10:51] <viliny> om26er, no im really clueless, why switch from google to yahoo?
[10:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> viliny: yahoo and canonical have a deal. aiui.
[10:51] <om26er> reasons
[10:52] <viliny> just seems like a step down from a working product, thanks for clarifying Kamping_Kaiser
[10:52] <rapha> viliny: well yeah ... depends on your style of work then. i need a clean slate mostly when i sit in front of the computer.
[10:52]  * om26er read somehwere there will be a startpage for google too
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> viliny: the search thingy in the corner of firefox can still be set to google
[10:53] <om26er> ya
[10:53] <viliny> i don't work with mine rapha - got windows xp at work (altough running a virtualbox with debian inside which is actually how im running this irc client as well) and 3 ubuntu boxes at home - made the transition to stop using windows altogether early this week and it's going great.
[10:56] <om26er> any one using new theme of empathy? fonts are too small here
[10:56] <rapha> viliny: good to hear!
[10:57] <viliny> tried to run nomachine nx and turbovnc with virtualGL from work so i could fiddle around with some games from work today but that didn't really end as i planned :)
[10:59] <rye> om26er yes, small fonts :(
[10:59]  * om26er_dc files a bug
[11:00] <rye> om26er i believe it tries to be like gwibber ubuntu theme... but, since I cannot start gwibber I can't compare...
[11:00] <Ng> has anyone tried connecting to an SMB share in lucid?
[11:01] <Daviey> Ng: If you think you have a bug that you want reproduced, i'll test it.. but otherwise i cba :)
[11:01] <om26er> rye: gwibber dont start for most people
[11:02] <Ng> Daviey: well I just can't connect to a share that I think used to work, but I'm not really seeing any logging on either end telling me what's going on
[11:02] <rye> om26er, i know, I will try to get an ETA for dc update from desktopcouch people today... the code was committed yesterday that fixes dbus handling but it is not yet released :(
[11:02] <rye> when they wake up
[11:03] <Daviey> Ng: i'll bet subnet or iptables :)
[11:03] <om26er> rye: it starts if you work hard
[11:03] <om26er> almost after 5-8 tries from terminal after small intervals gwibber starts
[11:03] <rye> om26er, yes, if you are lucky and dbus client does not segfault with python  :)
[11:03] <sidh> Greetings gentlemen
[11:03] <indus> hi i removed evolution and it removed ubuntu desktop
[11:04] <om26er> indus: no problem
[11:04] <indus> now i cant instal it and says depends smbclient but it wont be installed
[11:04] <sidh> i'm still having irregular problem with virtualbox and 2.6.33 kernel with lucid amd64
[11:04] <sidh> is there a way to choose a kernel at boot, or do i have to midify menu.lst ?
[11:05] <om26er>  2.6.32 is officially supported for lucid so no support here i guess?
[11:05] <sidh> yes so i would like to boot on that one, but at boot prompt with grub 2 i have no choice
[11:06] <rww> indus: You removed evolution-data-server. Removing evolution itself doesn't remove ubuntu-desktop.
[11:06] <sidh> i have nfsclient freeze too
[11:11] <om26er> ubottu: !ping
[11:15] <arand> sidh: do you not get a boot menu when holding down shift on boot, or do you not have the old kernel installed?
[11:19] <indus> rww, yes data server, i dont wnat anything evolution on system
[11:19] <indus> rww, so what can i do now , without ubuntu-desktop updates will be affected i hear
[11:20] <om26er> indus: try removing evolution-data-server-common . warning dont press yes
[11:20] <indus> and its already giving me some dependency error
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> indus: you're going to miss a fair bit of gnome too
[11:20] <indus> yes i removed gnome panel indicator applet and stuff too
[11:20] <indus> so now what
[11:20] <indus> om26er, what you mean dont press yes
[11:20] <rww> indus: Now, you sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and educate yourself on what evolution-data-server does before removing it :\
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> ++
[11:21] <indus> rww, ? i cant apt-get
[11:21] <om26er> indus: it removes alot of stuff
[11:21] <rww> indus: then figure out why smbclient can't install...
[11:22] <om26er> actually that removes thing you already removed
[11:22] <indus> rww, it says smbclient depends on samba common version but some other version is to be installed
[11:22] <rww> indus: pastebin the output...
[11:22] <indus> rww, thats at home , so maybe later tonight
[11:23] <indus> :)
[11:23] <indus> ok another question, i cant see any pmouth with ly superceding the p\
[11:23] <om26er> me too
[11:23] <indus> a cursor blinks then goes to xsplash
[11:24] <om26er> indus: using nvidia?
[11:24] <indus> but the fonts look nice and sharp and anti aliased
[11:24] <indus> ATI RADEON 4850
[11:30] <sidh> arand,as i found the solution, as i had no other OS, my /etc/default/grub was configured for not showing anything, i reconfigured it ans ran update-grub
[11:30] <sidh> i'm rebooting now to see the effects
[11:30] <sidh> thanks anyway
[11:30] <arand> sidh: Odd.
[11:31] <arand> sidh: ah, right, that is by design yea, and normally booting with shift pressed will show the menu if it's hidden
[12:07] <eminor> hello! is the new design of lucid lynx with new logo etc. already present in the alpha version or will it be included later?
[12:08] <rww> eminor: It's not present yet, no.
[12:08] <arand> eminor: Guess is it will land around first beta
[12:08] <eminor> ok, thank you
[12:12] <eminor> i have seen that the window buttons will be on the left side, is it true that they cannot be switched to the right?
[12:13] <ubuntujenkins> you use to be able to switch them http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/switch-the-closemaximizeminimize-buttons-to-left-side-in-ubuntu/ this link tells you how to move them to the left so you can use it to move them to the right
[12:20] <eminor> thanks!
[12:21] <ubuntujenkins> also the theme might land today as it is the user interface frezze https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[12:22] <ubuntujenkins> np eminor
[12:26] <eminor> nice, i will install it tomorrow in my vbox and test it :)
[12:26] <eminor> the new design and logo looks really great i think.. good work! :)
[12:30] <ubuntujenkins> I am constantly updating my computer to check if it has been released
[12:34] <indus> ubuntujenkins, if not today, then in a day or 2
[12:36] <ubuntujenkins> i just hope its soon :-)
[12:54] <rye> Mac file manager window near Light theme window screenshot of Nautilus: http://img.skitch.com/20100304-f82gyybh38cexw2nkqsekqa6jk.jpg
[13:02] <bjsnider> rye, newsflash: there's nothing new or original and everybody is copying off everybody else
[13:03] <vish> bjsnider: newsflash: Thats^ the excuse someone give when not being able to come up with something new ;)
[13:03] <vish> gives*
[13:04] <vish> bjsnider: not that there is anything wrong in copying , there must be a good reason to copy ;)
[13:04] <rye> bjsnider, no, I haven't finished my sentence :)... The thing is that the useful area is decreased because the buttons are huge.
[13:06] <bjsnider> vish, ok, come up with something new. then we'll talk
[13:06] <bjsnider> invent something so new that nobody's ever seen anything like it before
[13:06] <vish> bjsnider: as i said , if they have a reason to copy it is good.. else it is just to copy
[13:07] <zniavre> keeping button to right side is copying windows no ?
[13:07] <bjsnider> right
[13:07] <vish> zniavre: it was the same old way , why change now?
[13:07] <bjsnider> you're always going to be doing something somebody else did
[13:08] <zniavre> to make some half/half and put button sin the middle
[13:08] <vish> bjsnider: nothing is wrong with change , but justify it thats all , if you are simply changing it for the sake of changing , it is stupid
[13:09] <zniavre> vish,  you so not like it ?
[13:09] <zniavre> so/do *
[13:09] <vish> zniavre: as of now , i see no reason to like it.. :) it will just make me change my usage pattern for no reason..
[13:10] <vish> zniavre: ofcourse , you have been using it for a long time ;)
[13:10] <rye> bjsnider, the Mac guy i talked to feels ok about the theme itself, but he noted that gnome elements are larger than they need to be... And noted that might be a problem with netbooks.
[13:10] <rye> bjsnider, I like the theme very much... well, the screenshots of the one :)
[13:11] <zniavre> i really like the panel icons
[13:11] <vish> rye:  zniavre: bjsnider: they are still user testing it , so it is not final anyway [yet]
[13:12] <rye> vish, true. But I remember there were compact themes somewhere on the gnome-look, right?
[13:13] <bjsnider> rye, ask the mac guy if he knows a sun guy and if that guy has an opinion about apple copying their whole GUI off project looking glass
[13:13] <vish> ^lol
[13:17] <rye> bjsnider, :-D ... That was not meant to be a comparison of visual styles and that someone copied something, that was just a comparison of the available screen estate
[13:19] <aVirulence> hi all. I'm having problems with my digital audio since upgrading to the 10.04 alpha. Digital audio (via s/pdif) has been a bit tricky for a while (since I had to restart /etc/init.d/alsa.. before it would work). Since there's no more alsasound, I cannot restart it and I cannot get sound to work. It works fine over my headphones though..
[13:22] <rye> ... he cited https://robots.org.uk/stuff/WordToolbars.jpg as a comparison
[13:24] <aVirulence> does anyone have an idea about this problem?
[13:25] <bjsnider> rye, i understaand what you're saying
[13:26] <bjsnider> canonical is limited by the requirements of gtk at the moment
[13:26] <bjsnider> gtk is getting an overhaul just like gnome itself
[13:26] <bjsnider> rye, did you see the mockups of the potential gnome 3 theme?
[13:27] <bjsnider> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/02/task-pooper-could-revolutionize-gnome-desktop.ars
[13:28] <rye> bjsnider, no, not yet, actually I have not seen the Brand themes until rww pointed that out here :)
[13:29] <bjsnider> there are mockups at that link i just posted
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> 'could-revolutionize' - or be a total flop. :)
[13:33] <bjsnider> it will revolutionize it if the thing is useful
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> seems over the last few years the things the revolutnize.. are always suprise things :P
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm.. Updateing today. and gettting an depenecy issue.
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.11.1-0ubuntu3) but 2.11.1-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> Ive never seen the term 'PreDepends' befor like that
[13:42] <bjsnider> libc6-i686 needs to be rebuilt against the ubuntu4 libc6
[13:42] <bjsnider> which it probably is. just wait a while
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> its suggesting a apt-get -f install. but libc6 is like a very imporntant... :) so yea.. Im waiting....
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> It pays to have patience
[13:43] <bjsnider> pay-shents
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> I will admit the testing of this release has been a Lot smoother then the last release
[13:48] <superdump> has there been any development to allow user configuration of the notify osd popup durations?
[13:48] <bjsnider> no
[13:48] <superdump> :/
[13:48] <superdump> maybe i'll take a look at it sometime
[13:49] <superdump> also, any work to allow there to be multiple messages displayed in a stack rather than having a queue and only displaying one at a time?
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I think ive seen them stack.. but i rarely get any messages....
[13:50] <superdump> i've sometimes randomly seen a 'stack' of 2
[13:50] <superdump> but i don't know what causes it
[13:51] <superdump> maybe some kind of popup priority or something
[13:51] <superdump> i think it occurs when, for example, there's a notification about power/network/some other system thing and maybe a notification of a new im message
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:54] <superdump> hrm, well, i really think that the current duration is far too long for when one gets multiple messages quickly (e.g. maybe query/highlight messages in an irc client or unfocused im or so)
[13:55] <BUGabundo_remote> hey BluesKaj
[13:56] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo_remote
[13:56] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo_remote, are you ssh-ing remotely ?
[13:58] <BUGabundo_remote> s
[13:59] <superdump> have fun
[14:02] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo_remote, s?
[14:03] <zniavre> hey great wallpaper, ... if you like violet/pink
[14:04] <zniavre> http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5093/capturenp.png
[14:05] <BUGabundo_remote> BluesKaj: s/s/yes
[14:05] <BUGabundo_remote> zniavre: your clock font is fuzzy
[14:06] <Sensiva> Luci new theme is....?
[14:06] <BluesKaj> ok , just wondered how you managed ...maybe one of these days you could describe how to ssh into a remote machine that uses dynamic IP :)
[14:06] <zniavre> Sensiva, not yet updated only backgroung are
[14:06] <zniavre> g/d*
[14:07] <BluesKaj> oops
[14:08] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo_remote, ok I'll reoeat in case you missed my post , just wondered how you managed ...maybe one of these days you could describe how to ssh into a remote machine that uses dynamic IP :)
[14:08] <BUGabundo_remote> I use freedns.afraid.org
[14:08] <BUGabundo_remote> and hang it on my domain
[14:09] <Sensiva> zniavre updating my current lucid installation will show the new theme?
[14:09] <BUGabundo_remote> have inadyn to update Ip when interface changes
[14:09] <BUGabundo_remote> then SSH to it, and run NX on top to conect to X
[14:10] <zniavre> Sensiva,  no only new wallpaper
[14:10] <albech> doing a few tests of 10.04 and it looks nice.. I cannt make Virtual Box Guest Additions work though. Anyone have a fix for this?
[14:10] <Sensiva> albech What exactly isn't working with guest additions?
[14:11] <Sensiva> zniavre then how can I see the new theme?
[14:12] <zniavre> i do not know
[14:14] <skydrome> just installed 195's and rebooted to this >> http://i50.tinypic.com/2re1apk.png
[14:15] <zniavre> ho ? never seen that before
[14:15] <albech> skydrome, lol that doesnt look right
[14:15] <skydrome> :) no not at all
[14:16] <skydrome> removed them, installed the same from jockey and it fails to load glx but safemode is fine
[14:16] <skydrome> no idea wtf happened
[14:18] <BluesKaj> skydrome, did you remove the previous driver first ?
[14:18] <albech> ^ x2
[14:18] <skydrome> the previous was noveau and i disabled it in the jockey screen
[14:20] <BluesKaj> skydrome, this the metho sI used to install 195 and it works , I don't trust jockey: http://pastebin.ca/1789050
[14:20] <BluesKaj> method I used
[14:20] <skydrome> this is what kernel log is showing me
[14:20] <skydrome> http://pastebin.com/GWk65hrJ
[14:21] <skydrome> ok ill try it without jockey next
[14:21] <BluesKaj> skydrome, you have to stop X remove the old driver in order to install the new one
[14:22] <skydrome> and that would be aptitude remove ??
[14:22] <BluesKaj> or apt-get, it doesn't matter
[14:22] <skydrome> i meant replace the ?? with what
[14:23] <skydrome> i removed noveau from within synaptic
[14:24] <BluesKaj> skydrome, which nvidia card ?
[14:24] <skydrome> 8600
[14:25] <gnomefreak> noveau replaced the "nv" driver for when no drivers are used/found/ect..
[14:26] <skydrome> i removed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau  which in turn removed xserver-xorg-video-all
[14:26] <BluesKaj> skydrome, add these 2 repos to you sources.list ' deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/albertomilone/proprietary-video-improvements/ubuntu/ lucid main ' and ' deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/albertomilone/proprietary-video-improvements/ubuntu/ lucid main '
[14:27] <skydrome> all that is left is xserver-xorg-video-nv and nvidia-current
[14:27] <gnomefreak> thats normal since it is a binary package built from *-all
[14:27] <BluesKaj> then do sudo apt-get update
[14:27] <skydrome> ok
[14:31] <skydrome> BluesKaj, no updates from that repo
[14:32] <skydrome> im gonna remove all this and reboot then re-install
[14:32] <BluesKaj> skydrome, sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[14:32] <skydrome> ok brb
[14:35] <BluesKaj> wow, bigtime update this morning , 150 pkges
[14:36] <bjsnider> that method would not activate the nvidia glx alternatives
[14:39] <tgpraveen12> so lucid still hasn't gotten the new theme right?
[14:42] <skydrome> BluesKaj, http://pastebin.com/jTmKwJj4
[14:44] <AlienDK> Any #ubuntu ops in here?
[14:45] <Pici> AlienDK: Yes?
[14:46] <AlienDK> Could I be unbanned from #ubuntu? I know I was offtopic and generally annoying, but I promise I'll be good :).
[14:46] <Pici> AlienDK: Could you please join #ubuntu-ops ?
[14:46] <AlienDK> ok
[14:47] <skydrome> BluesKaj, what kernel are you using?
[14:49] <skydrome> chris@lucid:~$ rmmod lbm_nouveau
[14:49] <skydrome> ERROR: Module lbm_nouveau is in use
[14:49] <BluesKaj> skydrome, .6.32-15-generic
[14:49] <skydrome> is that what could be causing it to fail
[14:49] <skydrome> same here
[14:50] <BluesKaj> youare still using the old driver , you have remove it first , without X running
[14:50] <skydrome> right i did
[14:51] <skydrome> i have to reinstall it to remove it now
[14:54] <skydrome> so i have to do -> apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau --> apt-get autoremove xserver-xorg-nouveauc?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> skydrome, try this , ctrl alt f2 , then this: http://pastebin.ca/1822654
[15:02] <oskude> hi, just tried alpha3 from usb stick. i got to select "Default" from grub (i assume), seems to load the kernel and then the screen goes black. usb still loading and stops after ~10secs. and then all just stay like that. no consoles nor x is working (-/+ctrl+alt+f1 to f7)... is there anything i can try ?
[15:02] <oskude> is the text based installer completely removed from desktop image ?
[15:03] <charlie-tca> As far as I know, it is. The desktop image uses ubiquity and and alternate installer uses debian-installer
[15:04] <skydrome> BluesKaj, fixed it
[15:05] <skydrome> had to to reinstall the kernel
[15:05]  * skydrome smacks forehead
[15:05] <oskude> i wonder what can go wrong that i dont even get the text consoles
[15:06] <h00k> oskude: charlie-tca is correct, the Desktop image doesn't include the text-based installer, you'd have to grab the Alternate CD
[15:06] <oskude> h00k, charlie-tca roger
[15:09]  * oskude wishes that there were a netinstall image and ubuntu-minimal package ^.^
[15:10] <gnomefreak> there is i thought
[15:10] <oskude> oh, which ? or both ? O.O
[15:11] <gnomefreak> !netinstall | oskude
[15:11] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-minimal would be a server install if i understand you correctly
[15:12] <oskude> gnomefreak, ok, then i mean ubuntu-desktop-minimal ;)
[15:12] <charlie-tca> Using the alternate image, there is a minimal install
[15:12] <gnomefreak> oskude: nope sorry
[15:13] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-desktop is being dropped as i understand it
[15:13] <oskude> gnomefreak, and instead ?
[15:13] <ppine> hello, howcome in the terminal with the: ls command some folders have other colors then others?
[15:14] <gnomefreak> oskude: ther ewill be another package without using -desktop. now weather this will be done or not i have not heard
[15:14] <oskude> gnomefreak, roger
[15:15] <charlie-tca> ppine: colors have different meanings. Folder is one color, symlink is another, file is another
[15:15] <oskude> gnomefreak, hmm, didn't find anything on those docs ubottu gave about netinstall images, do they call it something different ? i was looking for something like this: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
[15:16] <gnomefreak> oskude: one minute
[15:17] <duffydack> some new wallapapers just now
[15:17] <duffydack> oo an earth from space one..
[15:18] <gnomefreak> oskude: your isnt in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Server%20and%20network%20installations
[15:19] <gnomefreak> the second one is what i think you are looking for. as for the diff between ubuntu/debian net install im not real sure. i havent done net installs in a long time'
[15:19] <oskude> gnomefreak, ah, found it. under the server stuff: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[15:19] <h00k> thumbs up to the new Empathy theme
[15:20] <oskude> only have the (debian) installer on cd, and get rest from net
[15:20] <bjorkintosh> why do i keep getting Hangcheck timer elapsed ... GPU hung errors for my i915?
[15:20] <oskude> hmm, seems no lucid alphas on those minimal cds :(
[15:21] <oskude> gnomefreak, but thank for the links! well hidden! ^.^
[15:22] <BluesKaj> skydrome, reinstall the kernel ? what happened ?
[15:23] <skydrome> well i guess when it ran depmod it fixed itself
[15:23] <skydrome> when i updated the kernel i still had nouveau installed
[15:24] <oskude> gnomefreak, and just to clarify. in debian they call "netinst" this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD (and netboot is another story)
[15:24] <skydrome> then when i removed it to install glx - it never removed itself
[15:24] <gnomefreak> oskude: i kind of expected that. it should be updated when more info is obtained. not sure if we have those images or even will have them. I dont deal with installers
[15:24] <oskude> gnomefreak, roger. now while all my babblings, the alternate destop image is now downloaded ^.^
[15:25] <gnomefreak> names mean very little to me since there are alot of names that differ from debian->ubuntu
[15:25] <oskude> gnomefreak, sadly...
[15:26] <gnomefreak> its better. but we are getting offtopic and what is _better_ doesnt matter
[15:26] <oskude> gnomefreak, yeah. sorry about that
[15:26] <gnomefreak> np
[15:26] <ppine> charlie-tca: yeah but its al just folder containing music
[15:26] <nemo> Hey guys, who would I contact if I wanted to ask about a package being extended to PPC arch?
[15:26] <nemo> file a bug? e-mail some address?
[15:27] <nemo> does it depend on the package?
[15:27] <abhifx_> hi! can someone tell me how to install amarok 2.3b? i am on lucid
[15:28] <duffydack> problems with my display since the last update.. with compiz enabled I only see a 1/4 of my display.  the top left part
[15:28] <oskude> nemo, there is ubuntu for ppc ?
[15:29] <zniavre> duffydack,  do you hav ccsm installed?
[15:29] <oskude> abhifx_, isn't that offtopic ? if not, every one could ask here how to install <what ever program> on this channel, and that would get this pretty crowdy, no ?
[15:30] <nemo> oskude: well. community.
[15:30] <nemo> oskude: canonical dropped it
[15:30] <nemo> a few years ago
[15:30] <zniavre> you should check into display tab > output_detects
[15:31] <zniavre> detetc_outputs *
[15:31] <nemo> oskude: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads
[15:31] <oskude> nemo, oh. thanks for the link, was news to me.
[15:31] <oskude> all these hidden stuff...
[15:32] <abhifx_> oskude, i am asking it beacuse i havent found the answer on the net...
[15:32] <nemo> oskude: they pretty much dropped it around the time apple started phasing out arch :)
[15:32] <oskude> abhifx_, did you try in the amarok channel ?
[15:32] <duffydack> zniavre, yes
[15:32] <nemo> oskude: shame, RISC is awesome
[15:32] <nemo> oh well. maybe ARM will resurrect RISC on the desktop, someday.
[15:33] <nemo> oskude: http://netbooked.net/images/uploads/articles/arm-vs-atom.jpg :)
[15:33] <duffydack> zniavre, ah.. I actually turned it off, damn.. thanks
[15:33] <zniavre> :o)
[15:33] <abhifx_> oskude, so can you help me :)
[15:34] <oskude> abhifx_, well, i could help as far i can to encrypt the error messages...
[15:34] <zniavre> if you turn it off you should set the outputs manualy
[15:34] <oskude> nemo, i would love to have a arm based device...
[15:35] <duffydack> m, gthumb quits when I go use scroll wheel to go back/forward images
[15:35] <nemo> oskude: http://openpandora.org/ ? :)
[15:35] <nemo> oskude: unfortunately no cortex a9
[15:36] <oskude> nemo, no thanks. but if i get one free, yes ^.^
[15:37] <oskude> darn. UNetbootin borked...
[15:38] <nemo> oskude: oh. I neglected to link... http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/arm
[15:39] <bjsnider> everybody please do not use mplayer in the main lucid archive. it is out of date and will cause nvidia-current to be pulled in
[15:39] <duffydack> ah, better....  another problem.. I cant have 4 horizontal desktops using ccsm. I can have 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 etc.. not 4 it resets to 2 when I set to 4
[15:41] <duffydack> now I can, I disabled it, set metacity desktops to 4 (it was 2) and enabled compiz again and set to 4 in ccsm, works.
[15:41] <markl_> anyone here using a macbook pro?  how do you get the sound to work?
[15:43] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: i am unable to find anything to support that. the depends do not have nvidia listed
[15:44] <duffydack> ah, it sees its when I import my profile from karmic that I exported... its ok if I set manually.
[15:44] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: the one i would have thought would do that is libgl1-mesa-glx but no depends on nvidia*
[15:48] <oskude> man, unetbootin is slow...
[15:48]  * oskude wishes he could just dd
[15:50] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, the problem is hte build-depends on nvidia-xxx-libvdpau
[15:50] <gnomefreak> hmm
[15:51] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: can you please file a bug on mplayer
[15:54] <oskude> ok. lucid alpha 3 alternate on usb stick. wish me luck! ^.^
[16:03] <oskude> it's not my day today... got "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted..." i try the iso image in VM...
[16:06] <oskude> darn! the iso image works in VM... now trying from the usb stick that unetbootin created...
[16:07] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: have you tried using atp-get to ignore suggests?
[16:07] <gnomefreak> apt-get even
[16:10] <oskude> ok, that wouldnt been too easy... *sigh*
[16:10] <oskude> -t
[16:10] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, i'm not complaibning about a problem i'm having. this is a general warning based on something that has become known
[16:11] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: i know but i cant test it since im running nvidia, im not able to find any reason it was added to build-deps. i have source and looking through it atm
[16:13] <gnomefreak> the part that bothers me is that mplayer-nogui suggests nvidia-libvdpau1 | nvidia-libvdpau  as does the rest of the binaries
[16:13] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, dude, relax. this mplayer was binary-copied over from karmic. it has simply not been refreshed for lucid yet. the libvdpau build-dep happened because of vdpau.
[16:14] <bjsnider> no need to go all potty over it
[16:14] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: it wasnt refresh since early 09
[16:14] <bjsnider> those two packages in the suggests that you refer to are what the nvidia-libvdpau package is caled in debian
[16:15] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, that's correct. it was refreshed for karmic the last time
[16:15] <bjsnider> it's horribly out of date
[16:16] <gnomefreak> right. but since we are using debian's git repo we are following thier lead and well they are not giving it any love
[16:16] <Ian_Corne>   ubiquity-frontend-gtk ubiquity-ubuntu-artwork ubuntu-wallpapers
[16:16] <Ian_Corne> :)
[16:16] <Ian_Corne> in updates now
[16:16] <Ian_Corne> lets see what it does
[16:17]  * gnomefreak goes back to work
[16:22] <pretto> what is the font used to create the new brand?
[16:23] <skydrome> anyone know the status of getdeb.net ?
[16:24]  * oskude goes try a newly formatted and unetbootin created usb-stick
[16:25] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, there was a huge problem with ffmpeg's code that prevented a newer refresh. that has recently been fixed
[16:25] <arand> skydrome: it's still down?
[16:25] <skydrome> afaik, been a month now
[16:25] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: makes sense
[16:26] <skydrome> i cant find any news on why its down
[16:27] <arand> skydrome: http://blog.getdeb.net/2010/02/web-services-down.html
[16:28] <skydrome> oh didnt even think they had a blog *facepalm*
[16:28] <skydrome> ty arand
[16:29] <charlie-tca> pretto: I think the font is called ubuntu, but it is not finished yet
[16:29] <arand> skydrome: hrm, that was the second google result for "getdeb down" ;)
[16:29]  * skydrome shoots self in face
[16:30] <pretto> charlie-tca: thank you
[16:30] <skydrome> vmware fails...
[16:33] <oskude> can someone confirm that this image http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-3/lucid-alternate-i386.iso (md5sum ok) copied by unetbootin (in karmic) to ab usb-stick work ? (i get "install cdrom not found" in the debian installer)
[16:33] <vish> pretto: charlie-tca: i thought so too , but mpt mentioned it is as of now unnamed
[16:33] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:33] <charlie-tca> I think it depends on the blog / notice you look at
[16:33] <vish> they have only done a few letters ;)
[16:34] <pretto> vish: i just need the ubuntu letters :D
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Yes, at least that much is known
[16:34]  * oskude goes kill some plastic trees and burns a cd...
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Right now, you have to kind of pull them from the logo, I think. Canonical is the ones with them at this time
[16:35] <pretto> charlie-tca: thought about  that too
[16:36] <Pici> There are a few fonts around that have *similar* characters to this new font, but nothing that matches perfectly.
[16:37] <pretto> they are putting honney on our lips, but just to tease us.. hehehe
[17:11] <h00k> new plymouth theme for the rebranding is in the Lucid repos.
[17:11] <h00k> Cool.
[17:11] <h00k> I tried to take a picture but it passed by too soon.
[17:18] <zniavre> i saw plymouth with new logo update few minutes ago but i always see this blue/white progress bar at startup
[17:19] <ubuntujenkins> are you using nvidia?
[17:19] <zniavre> yes
[17:19] <ubuntujenkins> I am yet to work out how to see it with nvidia I think you can if you have the nouveau driver
[17:19] <MindVirus> Anyone know how to kill maximus?
[17:20] <MindVirus> killall maximus makes it respawn.
[17:20] <bigjools> hi all - I just upgraded my kubuntu laptop from karmic to lucid and I can't figure out how to make the wifi connect again, can someone help please?
[17:20] <zniavre> ho thats bad
[17:21] <zniavre> do i need to use it also with desktop ? or nouveau driver is just used for plymouth ?
[17:22] <boondoklife> Hey everyone, is the noxdamage issue with the remote desktop fixed in lucid. I'm seeing conflicting posts either way.
[17:23] <tankdriver> Hi, I have an reproduceable X crash, but apport does not work. how do I report this?
[17:23] <ubuntujenkins> zaniavre I have no clue I am afraid I am experimenting with a virtual machine once it installs. I hope i can keep the main nvidia driver for compiz and still see plymoth
[17:24] <ubuntujenkins> tankdriver go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu and click "Report a bug"
[17:28] <charlie-tca> and attach the report from /var/crash, please
[17:29] <tankdriver> charlie-tca: no *.crash file was generated after the X crash. I m filing a bug with "ubuntu-bug"
[17:31] <charlie-tca> Oh, I hate them
[17:32] <cnd> I'm trying to install lucid UNR on a new netbook (overwriting win 7), but it's hung at the grub installer where it says it's looking for other operating systems
[17:32] <cnd> has anyone seen this issue?
[17:33] <zniavre> ubuntujenkins,  ok let wait and see
[17:43]  * oskude is now yet another alpha3 user ^.^
[17:44] <MindVirus> Why is there indicator-applet as well as notification icons?
[17:46] <marijus> is there any packages for the new light theme available somewhere?
[17:47] <arand> marijus: Nope, only images soo far
[17:48] <marijus> arand: yes isaw them in the wiki
[17:49] <marijus> arand: i thougt there might be a ppa somewhere
[17:50] <oskude> hmm, can i change me keyboard to "nodeadkeys" from the Keyboard Preferences tool ? can't find it there...
[17:51] <oskude> normally i select it in the installer, but it didnt ask for it...
[17:52] <ppine> anyone having the problem with the sound preferences when switching left or right balance it moves the volume instead?
[17:52] <oskude> ok, got it. i have to add a new layout, and there select variant. then remove old.
[17:56] <oskude> ppine, if you meant the output balance, yes seem whacky here too...
[17:57] <oskude> hm, my CPU!
[18:26] <h00k> I just realized that the floating-ubuntu screensaver is going to need an update, then.
[18:27] <sebsebseb> Hi
[18:27] <SpaceGhostC2C> h00k, you silly goose.
[18:28] <h00k> SpaceGhostC2C: teehee
[18:28] <SpaceGhostC2C> It seems that Common Sense™ isn't compulsory here. Scary.
[18:29] <sebsebseb> Is the new theme in the repo yet?
[18:30] <SpaceGhostC2C> It's sorta cute, if you've installed ubuntu and you're in denial and want a mac look back.
[18:31] <duffydack> Anyone else having a problem booting up and getting it to show login screen, or even autologin.. I hear the sound but its just a blank screen.  If I press return (maybe any key will work) then it loads the login screen and I can get in...
[18:32] <vish> duffydack: know bug
[18:32] <vish> known*
[18:32] <h00k> sebsebseb: the wallpaper is
[18:32] <h00k> sebsebseb: and plymouth
[18:33] <duffydack> vish, ok, thx
[18:33] <sebsebseb> h00k: ok
[18:33] <sebsebseb> h00k: i'll install alpha 3 into a vm soon then, and get the updates
[18:34] <sebsebseb> I tried to install alpha 3 into vm soon after release, but had an issue
[18:34] <sebsebseb> h00k: got to try it, before can comment properly on it,  however it's not really a good thing, that they are trying to be OS X like.
[18:34] <duffydack> I grabbeed a daily live today and installed it.
[18:35] <duffydack> grabbed*
[18:35] <h00k> I was unsure, but I really like it.
[18:38] <vish> duffydack: Bug #523788
[18:39] <vish> oh , it took 5mins to find that bug ;p
[18:41] <sinurge> has anyone also faced that the sw has beomce ver slow
[18:47]  * sebsebseb is back
[18:47]  * Jordan_U is front
[18:47] <sinurge> haha
[18:48] <sinurge> bt seriosuly is it just me or others having problems with the sw center being extremely very slow
[18:53] <duffydack> ok, so anyone know how to get my fans to stop spinning all the time.... its an i7 laptop and they only come on now and then normally..
[18:59] <zniavre> !plymouth
[18:59] <SpaceGhostC2C> Is the light theme in the repos?
[18:59]  * duffydack likes "Hanso" theme.
[19:06] <zniavre> if i understand a bit i can't use plymouth if i got nvidia driver from nvidia.com ?
[19:07] <oskude> SpaceGhostC2C, nope AFAIK
[19:08] <yofel> zniavre: no, also the nvidia driver from the nvidia site isn't supposed to work atm afaik
[19:08] <yofel> I mean, at all
[19:08] <zniavre> yofel,  here it's the only one who work well
[19:08] <zniavre> 173.14.25
[19:08] <SpaceGhostC2C> oskude, thanks.
[19:09] <zniavre> the one from repos gaves wrong resolution and nvidia-settings is bugged
[19:12] <andre_pl> I'm looking for an excuse to try out lucid... is there a list of highlights that are currently implemented?
[19:16] <luke_> I am using synergy (as a client) with alpha 3 and the shift key gets stuck when I leave the screen.  The problem resolves when I force a reconnect from the server
[19:16] <toggles_w> andre_pl: it's purple
[19:16] <zniavre> yofel,  that strange blue/white progressbar is suposed to be plymouth right ? minimal one for unsuported hardware?
[19:16]  * mbeierl likes purple.  it makes it all worthwhile
[19:17] <yofel> zniavre: dunno, I purged plymouth here as I had grave issues with it, maybe i'll try it again
[19:18] <zniavre> the enter key with gdm ?
[19:18] <toggles_w> andre_pl: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand#New%20GtkThemes
[19:18] <yofel> zniavre: nope, it wouldn't even boot, upstart hung up at one point leaving me without X, ttys, network, ...
[19:19] <yofel> zniavre: had to chroot from a live disk and remove it
[19:19] <zniavre> ok
[19:19] <zniavre> i want to be sure what are those blue/whire line
[19:25] <markl_> what is the process for getting kernels accepted into the main repository?  ubuntu 8.04 has a linux-openvz kernel but 10.04 does not
[19:25] <milosz3> Is the "Light" theme available anywhere?
[19:27] <yofel> markl_: you should ask the kernel team in #ubuntu-kernel
[19:28] <Bittarman> should the new themes have been installed after updating to lucid?
[19:29] <Bittarman> or are they still in the pipeline?
[19:36] <oskude> about this new yahoo deal. does ubuntu get money if i just use yahoo through the firefox plugin, or do i need to click ads or something ? (yeah, i just read the titles about this news;)
[19:37] <oskude> i hope just using and clicking on search results is enough
[19:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> oskude, I think it just has to be present. Do you have to use it?
[19:40] <h00k> Bittarman: they haven't hit the repo yet.
[19:40] <oskude> SpaceGhostC2C, i want to use it yes, if ubuntu devs get money from it. definetly!
[19:41] <SpaceGhostC2C> h00k, do I have to use the yahoo search engine for canonical to get moneys, or does it simply have to be present as the default option on install?
[19:42]  * h00k shrugs
[19:42] <h00k> probably when you use it, I'd imagine
[19:42] <oskude> SpaceGhostC2C, i think you at least need to use it.
[19:42] <SandGorgon> anyone have an intel 5100 wireless-n card ? is it out-of-the-box ... planning on buying one off ebay
[19:43] <Bittarman> h00k, k thanks.
[19:43] <SpaceGhostC2C> h00k, it's okay, I'm gonna pass on lucid all together and keep karmic until the next update after karmic.
[19:43] <SpaceGhostC2C> I mean after lucid.
[19:43] <oskude> the boot time in lucid is very nice!
[19:43] <luke_> in alpha 3 anyone else having a problem with right clicking inside a terminal window?
[19:43] <oskude> luke_, nope
[19:44] <h00k> luke_: perhaps, check bug reports.
[19:45] <mythos> hi, is the new light-theme already available in the repository?
[19:46] <oskude> luke_, yes. and i meant working ok here
[19:46] <oskude> mythos, nope
[19:46] <mythos> thx oskude
[19:46] <luke_> hOOk: we'll do, what package would that be?
[19:46] <oskude> that should go to the title of this room! ^.^
[19:47] <oskude> luke_, i think, gnome-terminal, but not 100% sure, check: ps ax
[20:00] <skydrome> when i install java there is nothing in the plugin folder
[20:02] <yofel> skydrome: you need the firefox plugin? that's icedtea6-plugin
[20:03] <skydrome> eww
[20:03] <skydrome> sun-java im tlaking about
[20:03] <yofel> skydrome: a) that was removed from lucid. b) the debian package doesn't seem to play well with firefox3.6 in lucid, I have a patched version if you want it
[20:04] <skydrome> well i just need the plugin
[20:05] <yofel> skydrome: the plugin is symlinked to the wrong place
[20:05] <yofel> mom
[20:06] <yofel> skydrome: you need to create the following smylink by hand: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so
[20:06] <yofel> firefox in lucid seems to ignore /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/ for some reason :/
[20:07] <skydrome> i have java plugins in /etc/alternatives
[20:07] <skydrome> i have no**
[20:07] <yofel> ah, sun-java is in the partner repos now, nice :)
[20:08] <yofel> skydrome: yes, but you need the plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins so that firefox can find it
[20:08] <skydrome> what im saying is that the plugin didnt even get installed
[20:08] <skydrome> i dont think you understand
[20:08] <yofel> skydrome: do you have 'sun-java6-plugin' installed?
[20:08] <skydrome> yes
[20:09] <skydrome> i have a png file in the plugins folder
[20:09] <skydrome> thats it
[20:09] <skydrome> i even installed java from the bin from sun's website and its the same
[20:09] <yofel> skydrome: ok, do you have a /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so file? (That's the actual plugin)
[20:09] <DanaG> ARGH.
[20:09] <skydrome> im on amd64
[20:09] <DanaG> stupid gnome-power-manager.
[20:09] <DanaG> Dims on idle... but then never UN-dims!
[20:09] <Bittarman> hmm.. sun-java6-plugin is not available to me...
[20:09] <Bittarman> shouldn't it be in apt?
[20:10] <yofel> skydrome: then /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so
[20:10] <yofel> Bittarman: as long as you have the canonical partner repos enabled it should
[20:10] <skydrome> thats what needs to be symlinked to mozilla?
[20:11] <yofel> skydrome: that's what /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so should be symlinked to
[20:11] <arand> DanaG: Oh, that's some regression, that was happening to me in jaunty at times..
[20:11] <Bittarman> yofel, I only have archive.canonical partner
[20:11] <yofel> and *that* needs to be symlinked into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[20:12] <yofel> Bittarman: then refresh your cache maybe (I didn't see java in there yesterday)
[20:12] <Bittarman> everything else in software sources is disabled..
[20:12] <yofel> Bittarman: apt-cache shows it as
[20:13] <yofel> 6.18-2 0
[20:13] <yofel>         600 http://archive.canonical.com lucid/partner Packages
[20:13] <skydrome> ya...firefox doesnt look their
[20:13] <yofel> Bittarman: so it should be there
[20:13] <Bittarman> one sec.. disabline and re-enabling it
[20:14] <skydrome> yofel, i put it in the mozilla plugins folder
[20:14] <skydrome> that works
[20:14] <yofel> skydrome: good :)
[20:14] <skydrome> ty
[20:14]  * yofel goes talking to the mozillateam  folks
[20:15] <skydrome> ya lol
[20:15] <skydrome> this happened in karmic too :/
[20:16] <yofel> I think that's the fault of firefox3.6 as the java packaging didn't  change
[20:17] <skydrome> ah makes sense
[20:17] <yofel> 3.6 doesn't look for plugins in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/ where the java plugin is available
[20:18] <skydrome> well funny thing is that i have moonloader in their and firefox is loading that
[20:19] <yofel> ...
[20:20] <skydrome> moonlight plugin..
[20:23] <Bittarman> ahh... didnt spot that.. my canonical archive didnt update from karmic to lucid >.,
[20:23] <Bittarman> >.<
[20:24] <yofel> heh, update-manager handles it the same as a ppa I guess
[20:27] <Bittarman> weirdly it left the karmic one on there and enabled
[20:32] <mvo> hm, it should updated that
[20:33] <mvo> Bittarman: could you file a bug please? with /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log included?
[20:33] <Bittarman> mvo, sure
[20:42] <bipolar> does anyone know where I can get an rsync of the contents of the lucid install cd? Specificly I want to keep an up to date PXE installer. The packages are not a problem, I have aptcacher for that.
[20:43] <kulight> does any one how to switch between buttons and text line in the path in nautilus ?
[20:45] <guntbert> kulight: usually with the pencil button on the left
[20:46] <kulight> guntbert, yes but it's gone in lucid
[20:46] <guntbert> kulight: sorry, I blindly answered without realizing where we are - let me look
[20:47] <kulight> i was using that allot
[20:49] <guntbert> kulight: it seems you are right - time for a bug report?
[20:50] <kulight> ill vote yes together with the menu icons
[20:50] <kulight> youll do that or ill do it ?
[20:51] <guntbert> kulight: please do you - I'll confirm :-)
[20:51] <kulight> ok
[20:53] <yofel> skydrome: mind to confirm bug  532174 if you have a launchpad account?
[20:53] <kulight> why LP is so slow?
[21:00] <kulight> guntbert, bug 508632 (it was already reported)
[21:01] <guntbert> kulight: thx
[21:01] <kulight> np
[21:09] <skydrome> yofel, its not loading..
[21:10] <hype> hi there
[21:10] <hype> just wondering: is therr anything particular to do to get the new ubuntu theme?
[21:11] <hype> (i'm on lucid)
[21:11] <hype> (and not acid, may i add)
[21:11] <skydrome> :p
[21:12] <skydrome> youll get plenty of new themes on acid :D
[21:12] <hype> ^^
[21:12] <skydrome> what you see is what you get hype
[21:12] <skydrome> system -> preference -> appearance
[21:13] <zniavre> good evening hype
[21:13] <hype> zniavre :>
[21:44] <[diablo]> mmm anyone who could say if it would be better to take daily live or alpha 3 for an install please?
[21:46] <bipolar> [diablo]: as long as it works, the daily would be better. Packages change so fast, you would have a lot of updates to download from a3.
[21:46] <charlie-tca> Daily live has the updates in it already, alpha3 you will have many updates to apply after the install
[21:47] <[diablo]> yep, I know that
[21:47] <[diablo]> but I am just wondering from a stabilty angle
[21:47] <flodine> hello can someone tell me why i keep getting a white line around my desktop screen?
[21:47] <[diablo]> will go with daily
[21:47]  * [diablo] crossed his 6 fingers...
[21:49] <flodine> every time i change a theme i get a white line that runs along both sides of the desktop.
[21:51] <flodine> ok anyone
[21:55] <mythos> i have those lines too and my system is up-to-date ;)
[21:56] <flodine> do you know why it does that
[21:56] <mythos> nope, it goes and comes
[21:57] <flodine> well if i log out and log back in it goes away
[21:57] <morryis> enter "nautilus -q"
[21:58] <flodine> thxs why does it come back
[21:58] <morryis> thats a bug in nautilus
[21:59] <flodine> ok thxs
[21:59] <morryis> it comes back when you e.g. rename somethink
[22:00] <morryis> ja ich hab mich gerade damit abgefunden ;-)
[22:00] <morryis> sorry wrong channel ;-)
[22:25] <sebsebseb> So a while ago I  installed alpha 3 into vm, and got the updates, thinking I would get the new boot splash, but nope I didn't get it.  Also the background didn't change when doing the updates from the default one, but yes I have that backround.
[22:25] <sebsebseb> also no Ubuntu One under Internet?   well  I didn't want to use that service anyway, but I thought it would be under Internet in the applications menu
[22:39] <blerk> i've just upgraded to the latest -dev hoping to find the new look/light themes, but all i got was the purple background in the wallpaper package, am i doing something wrong or has it not been included yet?
[22:40] <Nitsuga> blerk, not included yet.
[22:40] <Nitsuga> blerk, it wil be released in a few days.
[22:40] <blerk> ohh i see, any way i can get it apart from being patient? ;)
[22:42] <sebsebseb> Nitsuga: In a few days? hrm,  The user interface freeze is meant to be today.
[22:43] <Nitsuga> sebsebseb, well, i red "in a few days" somewhere
[22:43] <Nitsuga> read*
[22:43] <Nitsuga> sebsebseb, maybe they will delay the ui freeze, or maybe you can use it tomorrow! ← blerk
[22:43] <blerk> no problems, just wanted to try the new look as its been on every techsite's news today
[22:44] <blerk> i have patience :p
[22:44] <sebsebseb> blerk: have you got
[22:44] <sebsebseb> blerk: ...  well you upgraded from 9.10? so yeah you will have Ubuntu One under Internet I guess
[22:44] <sebsebseb> I done a clean install of alpha 3 and got the updates, and no Ubuntu One under Internet which I am finding odd, even though the package is installed
[22:45] <sebsebseb> clean install into a vm
[22:45] <blerk> sebsebseb: my laptop has been running ubuntu since 8.04 i think, been using the upgrade manager to upgrade
[22:45] <sanderqd> blerk: it seems the new themes are available in the light-themes package
[22:45] <sanderqd> if that isn't in your repository yet, wait an hour or so
[22:45] <blerk> sebsebseb: ohh, lets try
[22:46] <blerk> it's also installing ubuntu-mono, whatever that may be
[22:46] <sanderqd> that's the icon them
[22:46] <sanderqd> e
[22:46] <sebsebseb> sanderqd: I got light-themes availalbe
[22:46] <blerk> oh here we go, it's in there with a big questionmark on the thumbnail
[22:46] <blerk> lovely!
[22:46] <sebsebseb> sanderqd: in my vm
[22:47] <sebsebseb> it says.   Includes Ambiance and Radiance themes
[22:47] <sanderqd> so once you've installed it, don't choose the Light theme in gnome-appearance-properties, but 'customize' the theme and choose either Ambience or Radiance
[22:47] <sebsebseb> sanderqd: I was expecting to get the new theme stuff with an update though
[22:47] <sanderqd> it has just come available, the settings package probably hasn't been updated yet
[22:48] <blerk> it says "theme will not look as intened because the requited gtk theme "light" isnt installed"
[22:48] <blerk> :/
[22:48] <sanderqd> blerk: 'customize' the theme
[22:48] <sebsebseb> blerk: I think better to just wait a bit
[22:48] <sebsebseb> and the updates will come
[22:48] <sebsebseb> the proper ones
[22:48] <blerk> alright, atleast the new icons work, looking very nice
[22:49] <sebsebseb> blerk: new icons?
[22:49] <blerk> customize -> radiance is perfect...
[22:49] <blerk> sebsebseb: the taskbar icons
[22:49] <blerk> reminds me a bit of osx :P
[22:50] <sebsebseb> blerk: not installed the package,  that  sanderqd  suggested installing, I assume your on about that
[22:50] <blerk> sebsebseb: yeah installed light-themes and then used the customize thing suggested here
[22:51] <sebsebseb> blerk: on the subject of the new theme well  this is a good link,  that also links to jonos blog entry and the page on the Ubuntu website about it.  http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/my-thoughts-on-the-ubuntu-branding-refresh/
[22:51]  * Nitsuga feels outdated :(
[22:52] <sebsebseb> Nitsuga: What is?
[22:52]  * Nitsuga doesn't have the new theme
[22:52] <sebsebseb> Nitsuga: I don't have it either yet, only the purple background
[22:52]  * Nitsuga will use the main mirror and try
[22:53] <sebsebseb> Nitsuga: I think wait a bit, and the proper updates for the new themes will come
[22:53]  * jpds sighs.
[22:53] <Nitsuga> sebsebseb, i don't even have the purple background
[22:53] <sebsebseb> jpds: Why?
[22:53] <Nitsuga> I use another mirror because main one is really slow for me.
[22:53] <blerk> i use the gb mirrors
[22:53] <jpds> sebsebseb: I don't like people using the master archive.
[22:54] <jpds> blerk: Which one?
[22:54] <blerk> on a side note after the upgrade my volume control icon is gone, when i start it by hand it works... gnome-volume-applet thingy
[22:54] <sebsebseb> jpds: The master archive?
[22:54] <jpds> sebsebseb: archive.ubuntu.com
[22:54] <jpds> Nitsuga: Which mirror do you use?
[22:54] <blerk> i use gb.archive...
[22:55] <sebsebseb> blerk: same here
[22:55] <jpds> gb mirror* then. :)
[22:56] <Nitsuga> jpds, sft.if.usp.br
[22:57] <Nitsuga> in the main mirror I have a buch of updates, included the light theme and ubuntu-mono
[22:57] <jpds> Nitsuga: Updates should be going to br.archive shortly.
[22:58] <Nitsuga> jpds, I live in argentina
[22:58] <jpds> Nitsuga: Ah, I have no idea what state their mirror set up is in.
[22:59] <Nitsuga> jpds, and we have only ar.archive (32KB/s average!) and ubuntu.patan.com.ar (good speed, but a lot of 404 in lucid, seems that it doesn't update very often)
[22:59] <jpds> Nitsuga: Strange... I set up ar.archive last week.
[22:59] <Nitsuga> jpds, i didn't use ar.archive for mre that a month.
[23:00] <Nitsuga> I was tired of it slowness.
[23:00] <jpds> Nitsuga: Yes, it changed last week.
[23:00] <Nitsuga> the main mirror is also slow for me, but not that slow...
[23:00] <jpds> Nitsuga: ar.archive was pointing at the main archive before it was changed.
[23:00] <Nitsuga> jpds, great! now it goes to 18,1KB/s. Good work ¬¬
[23:01] <Nitsuga> wow! now it is 5436 B/s
[23:01] <Nitsuga> I've never seen "B/s"
[23:01] <jpds> Nitsuga: If you have issues, email the admin: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.innova-red.net-archive
[23:02] <Nitsuga> jpds, Status:
[23:02] <Nitsuga> The Lucid Lynx 	amd64 	Two days behind
[23:02] <zniavre> ambiance is bugged from combobox  > try > alt+f2 and use the popuplist it's black on black
[23:02] <jpds> Nitsuga: That was two days ago.
[23:03] <Nitsuga> jpds, surely :)
[23:03] <jpds> Nitsuga: Best way to check a mirror's freshness, is to look at the timestamps here: http://ubuntu.innova-red.net/ubuntu/project/trace/?C=M;O=D
[23:03] <charlie-tca> heh, when you get to 176 B/s, you got something to complain about. My 700 M/s has done that to me
[23:05] <h00k> woah, the buttons...
[23:06]  * Nitsuga using the main mirror. It's faster (but no faster than the one i was using)
[23:06] <Nitsuga> I wonder why archive.ubutnu.co m is SO slow to me...
[23:07] <Nitsuga> Don't they have a 10 Gigabit connnection?
[23:07] <jpds> Nitsuga: It's in London.
[23:08] <Nitsuga> jpds, and what? Once i tried ajapanese mirror and it had good speed.
[23:08] <h00k> Is anyone trying the new theme right now?
[23:08] <zniavre> h00k, i am
[23:08]  * blerk is running it
[23:08]  * Bittarman is enjoying it
[23:08] <h00k> What do you think of the button placement (minimize, maximize)
[23:08] <blerk> seems to be fine apart from my top bar having icons come and go at will, and no more volume control
[23:09] <jpds> h00k: That was a setting on the sceenshot user's desktop.
[23:09] <Bittarman> the minimize button in the dark theme looks odd
[23:09] <zniavre> i use already this placement since breezy
[23:09] <Bittarman> looks like it should swap places with the maximize button
[23:09] <h00k> jpds: I'm not talking about them being on the left side - because they're not.
[23:09] <h00k> jpds: I'm talking about minimize and maximize buttons being swapped
[23:10] <blerk> the buttons here are still the same
[23:10] <blerk> same placement
[23:10] <jpds> h00k: Nope, no change here.
[23:10] <jpds> Nitsuga: Well, it clearly depends on how your pipe to LDN is.
[23:10] <blerk> time to hibernate here
[23:11] <Nitsuga> jpds, the most direct pipe I have to eeuu is from buenos aires to africa to miami.
[23:11] <Nitsuga> and to london we have a direct pipe
[23:12] <Nitsuga> so that is not the problem.
[23:12] <h00k> jpds: For instance: http://anthonyrhook.com/dump/Buttons.png
[23:12] <h00k> jpds: minimize is in the middle, maximize is on the left
[23:13] <h00k> jpds: you don't have this?
[23:13] <jpds> h00k: Nope, still the same for me here.
[23:13] <h00k> ...I suppose that is odd.
[23:14] <Nitsuga> h00k, that is managed from gconf.
[23:14] <Nitsuga> h00k, the buttons position isn't theme-driven.
[23:14] <h00k> Nitsuga: I understand, I haven't touched gconf at all regarding button placement
[23:15] <h00k> I wonder why that has changed for me.
[23:15] <Trinity33> hi one short question:) its possible to make ati hd4850 work in lucid with kernel 2.6.32 as it is in karmic? catalyst doesnt work in lucid and the open source driver use to much cpu so i cant really use it
[23:22] <Trinity33> anyone here? 272 users and no one speak???
[23:22] <Trinity33> knock knock....
[23:22] <Trinity33> ubuntu+1
[23:22] <Trinity33> !seen ubuntu+1
[23:22] <smuggle> Does anyone here knows if WPA2 bug (reconnecting) will be resolved on Ubuntu 10.04???
[23:23] <Trinity33> so there is some problem in karmic with wpa2?
[23:23] <rww> Trinity33: Catalyst/fglrx don't work in Lucid yet because ATI didn't get around to fixing their drivers for a new Xorg version. When they get around to doing that, they'll get put in Lucid.
[23:23] <smuggle> I have to say YES.. Or it is only with me?
[23:24] <rww> I wish I could test this, but my silly router only does WEP :(
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> has anyone managed to keep the nvidia driver and still see plymoth?
 in my karmic verything is working i dont have any problems
 so what about open source driver ? does it support ati in lucid ?
[23:25] <rww> Trinity33: The open source driver works fine with my Radeon HD 3450 in Lucid.
[23:25] <smuggle> rww: Sadly.. I must know that WEP is really too weak.. But, the WPA2 is not a TITANIUM too ... lol
[23:26] <rww> smuggle: Yeah, WEP is trivial to break. I only bother using it instead of nothing because my contract with my ISP requires me to have some form of encryption, and they didn't bother specifying which.
 i have hd4850 and tried the open source  one it use to much cpu dont know why is there anything i could do about it?
[23:27] <smuggle> I bought a brand new Lenovo G550 and it comes with Seven OEM... I've a huge doubt over here... Back to the Ubuntu 9.10 or wait for 10.04?
[23:27] <rww> Trinity33: Define "too much"?
[23:28] <h00k> Nitsuga: do you happen to know where in gconf that is?
[23:29] <Trinity33> between 20 to 50% q9000 quad core 2ghz where ati catalyst in karmic use 0 to 2% and i tested open source in karmic to the same problem like in lucid use to much cpu
[23:29] <rww> h00k: /apps/metacity/general/button_layout looks promising
[23:30] <h00k> rww: for some reason, mine is :maximize,minimize,close
[23:30] <h00k> :(
[23:30] <eddy> who works for ubuntu?
[23:30] <eddy> i've found a glitch in lucid
[23:30] <h00k> rww: OH, it's supposed to be that way!
[23:31] <rww> h00k: so is mine, and my buttons are in pre-Lucid-silliness positions
[23:31] <eddy> it's hackable
[23:31] <rww> eddy: report a bug, file it as a security vulnerability if it is one.
[23:31] <h00k> rww: I thought I was the only one. if I change them the graphics on the theme are broken, lemme put it back.
[23:31] <eddy> rww: alright
[23:32] <rww> eddy: There's a little checkbox underneath the bug description textbox that marks it private/security related.
[23:33] <eddy> I will have to work on it a little bit so I can make sure before I post it. I just thought of talking about it here but I don't think that's a good idea.
[23:36] <h00k> eddy: if you know the package that is having the problem, you can do "ubuntu-bug progname" from a terminal or alt+f2 menu
[23:36] <sebsebseb> hrm I got the updates installed into a vm yeah yeah, but it hasn't given me the new boot up :(
[23:37] <Bittarman> is lucid to be a LTS?
[23:37] <sebsebseb> Bittarman: yes
[23:37] <Bittarman> is php 5.3 going in?
[23:37] <Bittarman> looking at the issue filed, and its not clear if a decisions made or not.
[23:38] <rww> !info php5
[23:38] <rww> Bittarman: Version 5.3.1, so it sure looks like it =/
[23:39] <Bittarman> ahh.. awsome
[23:53] <MindVirus> How do I kill maximus?
[23:54] <skyjumper> anyone know what happened to the volume control applet/icon?
[23:55] <skyjumper> in jaunty it was moved to a tray icon (a step backwards imo), but now it's gone
[23:56] <MindVirus> skyjumper: Add indicator-applet to gnome-panel.
[23:57] <skyjumper> actually gnome-volume-control-applet still exists, but isn't listed
[23:58] <zniavre> skydrome,  alt+f2 then  gnome-volume-control-applet  or in startup programs
[23:59] <rww> skyjumper: The sound icon moved from the notification area to the indicator applet.