[00:47] <crimsun> plars: any luck with speaker-test/GSt testing on that arm machine with sound errors?
[00:47] <crimsun> sorry if I'm being vague
[00:48] <plars> crimsun: I'm having other (unrelated) stability problems with that board that are preventing it at the moment
[00:48] <crimsun> plars: ok, no rush
[02:01]  * kermiac notices LP is back up :)
[02:14] <Quickard> my log in screen with user acounts will not appear
[02:14] <Quickard> in ubuntu
[02:15] <Quickard> I have tried recover through grub but it does no good
[04:25] <mrooney> hey all! Is anyone aware of a popular bug where lucid boots to a black screen with a moue and blinking cursor, until you hit enter?
[04:25] <mrooney> or shall I file it!
[04:25] <ddecator> mrooney, i've heard it before, but i don't know the bug # off hand...
[04:26] <kermiac> mrooney: do CTRL+ALT+F1, then CTRL+ALT+F7 - it's a known plymoth issue :(
[04:26] <mrooney> kermiac: all I have to do is hit enter and it (seems to) restarts X
[04:27] <mrooney> or do something
[04:27] <kermiac> mrooney: oh, it must have been updated... I haven't done lucid updates for a few hours :)
[04:27] <mrooney> no it has been this way for a few days
[04:28] <kermiac> hmm... probably related issue then. I know plymoth has "issues" atm
[04:28] <ddecator> mrooney, somebody mentioned that behavior on a bug discussing <enter> causing gdm to show up after logging in, but i don't know if they filed a separate report
[04:28] <mrooney> sounds a lot like bug 523788
[04:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 523788 in plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "Only see X mouse cursor on VT during boot (affects: 8) (dups: 2)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/523788
[04:29] <vish> mrooney: i'v seen it a couple of times
[04:29] <vish> not sure what triggers it though :(
[04:29] <mrooney> ah okay and bug 522692 is what "works around it"
[04:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 522692 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Pressing <Enter> key causes gdm to restart on first boot (affects: 61) (dups: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522692
[04:29] <ddecator> i guess the main issue with plymouth is that it runs on the same VT as gdm and x, which other distros have it run on a separate VT (so i've heard...i haven't researched it)
[04:30] <mrooney> I wish there was a button on LP, "notify me when this is fixed"
[04:30] <mrooney> I want to subscribe to a bug without seeing all the duplicates and comments and questions :)
[04:31] <vish> ;)
[04:31] <mrooney> I should write that as an appengine project or something, seems pretty easy
[04:31] <ddecator> that'd be nice to have...
[04:31] <vish> mrooney: file a bug in malone .. would be a feature idea
[04:32] <vish> s/feature idea/nice feature
[04:32] <mrooney> yeah, maybe that could be what happens when you mark yourself as affected by a bug without subscribing
[04:37] <Anzenketh> Is it just me or is lucid taking up a lot of memory in virtualbox.
[04:39] <ddecator> Anzenketh, how so?
[04:40] <Anzenketh> Duno maby 2gb is not enough to run a vm. I was just finding me system extreamly slugish when I was running the vm.
[04:40] <ddecator> for the virtual hdd?
[04:40] <Anzenketh> no the ram.
[04:41] <ddecator> hm, that should be a decent amount...maybe it's just the fact that it's being virtualized so it has to share your processor with the host system
[04:41] <Anzenketh> my server only has 133MB free and it is only running gnome and the vm.
[04:42] <Anzenketh> I have a solution for it. Just wondering
[04:42] <ddecator> it runs really fast for my on a live usb, still haven't gotten a vm to run it properly...(but that's due to my system, not a fault with lucid)
[04:43] <ddecator> s/my/me
[04:46] <jouston> Hi everyone.
[04:46] <ddecator> hey jouston
[04:47] <jouston> I have a weired bug on my Ubuntu box. Need some clue here.
[04:47] <jouston> ddecator: Hi
[04:47] <ddecator> jouston, lets hear it =)
[04:48] <jouston> I can't type " \ " on desktop, but in console I can type. But it will follow with "HOME" "PAGEUP" together with some other weired combinations.
[04:48] <jouston> Interesting, typing " | " is OK.
[04:48] <ddecator> what do you mean by "on desktop"?
[04:49] <persia> jouston: Which keyboard layout?
[04:49] <jouston> ddecator: on GNOME
[04:49] <jouston> persia: USA generic 105 key
[04:49] <persia> And that's both real and configured in X?
[04:49] <jouston> persia: Hey, long time no see.
[04:49] <persia> Indeed.  Missed you last time you were in this part of the world, and I haven't been down there in a while.
[04:49] <jouston> persia: I'm using thinkpad X200. It suppose to be generic 104.
[04:50] <jouston> persia: Hokane is a great place to go. It's beautiful.
[04:51] <persia> Indeed.  We choose to live in incredibly cramped places on the coast to preserve as much beauty as possible :)
[04:52] <persia> And it's not that you get the wrong character, but you end up with things like "HOME" ?
[04:52] <jouston> Any one have clue of the weired bug I encounter? I do remember it's still OK before upgrade to 9.10
[04:53] <persia> Try running xev to see what key X thinks you are pressing.
[04:53] <jouston> persia: on gnome desktop I simply type but show nothing. In pure console I got the character come alone with some more key combinations but I don't know exactly what.
[04:53] <jouston> KeymapNotify event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
[04:53] <jouston>     keys:  15  0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[04:53] <jouston>            0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[04:54] <jouston> This looks quite OK for me then.
[04:54] <jouston> Wait. I found something. Let me post to pastebin
[04:55] <jouston> http://paste.ubuntu.com/388051/
[04:56] <persia> I thought you said it worked fine in console.  Did I misunderstand?
[04:57] <jouston> persia: It doesn't work quite well. I got the character typed out and within one second, it will automatically type some key combinations.
[04:57] <jouston> Here is a full cycle of press-and-release. http://paste.ubuntu.com/388053/
[04:58] <persia> OK.  Fixing X before console works it just attacking too much at once.
[04:59] <persia> Install input-utils, switch to console, and play with input-events and input-kbd to find out what the kernel is seeing.
[05:00] <jouston> persia: thanks a lot for this tips. You are living Ubuntu dictionary. :)
[05:01] <ddecator> we don't understand how persia does it...
[05:05] <jouston> persia: how do I listen to /dev/input/event1 in input-event? I didn't find any useful manual here.
[05:06] <persia> input-events and input-kbd take --help
[05:07] <persia> So something like `input-events -t20 1` ought listen to /dev/input/event1 for 20 seconds.
[05:09] <jouston> persia: interesting, kernel see it OK.
[05:10] <jouston> Not familiar with this one though: 13:09:22.596824: EV_MSC code=4 value=43
[05:11] <persia> THat'S the "miscellaneous" button.  I've never understood what it was intended to do.
[05:11] <jouston> Oh well, my wife is here. I have run for lunch. TTYL guys, thanks persia.
[05:31] <Anzenketh> persia: how long have you been using linux?
[06:02] <SoftwareExplorer> I have some questions about using gdb to debug a program. Is this a good place to ask them, or is there a better place?
[06:11] <persia> Anzenketh: Just short of 19 years.  Why?
[06:11] <persia> SoftwareExplorer: This is a perfect place to ask them.
[06:14] <SoftwareExplorer> I'm trying to debug rhythmbox. I get errors that say things like "The program 'rhythmbox' received an X window system error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'"
[06:14] <ddecator> hm, and nigelb isn't on...
[06:15] <SoftwareExplorer> It goes on with a note to programmers that says you should run the program with --sync to get a meaningful backtrace and break on the gdk_x_error() function.
[06:15] <ddecator> SoftwareExplorer, yah that would get a backtrace so devs can see what caused the problem. is rythmbox crashing?
[06:16] <ddecator> s/rythmbox/rhythmbox
[06:16] <SoftwareExplorer> ddecator: It crashes when I run it with rgba gtk and try to turn on visualizations.
[06:17] <ddecator> let's see if there is a report yet...
[06:18] <SoftwareExplorer> Anyway, when I try to do that in gdb, I attach to the process and then run break gdk_x_error() and then continue. However, when I reproduce the bug, gdb says the program exited with error code 01
[06:18] <ddecator> that's all it says?
[06:18] <SoftwareExplorer> "Program exited with code 01."
[06:19] <SoftwareExplorer> It also tells me about various threads exiting, but that is no different from before I caused the crash
[06:19] <SoftwareExplorer> ie "[Thread 0x7fffe8bc9910 (LWP 28214) exited]"
[06:20] <ddecator> this is an odd question...but does it crash, or just seem to close as if you had closed it yourself?
[06:21] <SoftwareExplorer> ddecator: I don't totally get what you are asking. It just acts like it closed (at least it uses the same compiz animation as closing does)
[06:22] <ddecator> SoftwareExplorer, yah i'm not really sure how to tell the difference, but one report said something along the lines of "it doesn't crash, it just seems to close"
[06:23]  * micahg tries to remember who the rhythmbox expert is
[06:23] <ddecator> micahg, nigelb adopted it, but idk any of the devs...
[06:24] <SoftwareExplorer> ddecator: I don't really expect there to be bugs about these problems. I think I caused them on my computer by using a gtk rgba module. I would like to figure out what part of the program is not working because of that change.
[06:25] <SoftwareExplorer> The same problem also happens with totem and lots of other apps. I just figured I would start with rhythmbox.
[06:25] <ddecator> SoftwareExplorer, there are some bugs related to rgba since it's in development for inclusion with ubuntu by default, so i'm seeing if those mention anything about this.
[06:25] <ddecator> ah, sounds like i have the report then
[06:26] <lifeless> SoftwareExplorer: exited isn't fatal for a debugger -  they catch /signals/
[06:26] <ddecator> bug 491521 talks about decorations and many media players crashing when using rgba (in the comments)
[06:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491521 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 9 other projects) "Decorations and RGBA (affects: 20)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491521
[06:26] <lifeless> so the program is deciding not to run, r ather than breaking at a code level
[06:27] <SoftwareExplorer> lifeless: yes, but I told it to break on the gdk_x_error() function, which if I understand right, should pause me when the error happens
[06:27] <lifeless> if that function is called, and the breakpoint is active
[06:28] <SoftwareExplorer> lifeless: would running "break gdk_x_error()" do the trick?
[06:29] <lifeless> I don't know
[06:31] <SoftwareExplorer> Another thing I should ask is about is debug symbols. If I don't have the debugging package that would have the symbols for the function gdk_x_error(), will the breakpoint not work? If so, what package should I install? I've installed a ton of -dbgsym packages related to gtk, gstreamer, and rhythmbox
[06:32] <ddecator> you shouldn't need -dbg for using gdb i don't think
[06:32] <persia> You don't need the debug symbols for gdb to work.  They only help you interpret the results.
[06:34] <SoftwareExplorer> So could it not breaking on that function be because of multiple threads?
[06:35] <ddecator> do you mean that it doesn't crash when you run it with gdb?
[06:35] <lifeless> you are assuming the function is called
[06:35] <lifeless> why are you assuming that
[06:36] <SoftwareExplorer> ddecator: It still crashes, but gdb says "Program exited with code 01."
[06:36] <ddecator> i have no idea what code 1 is...
[06:37] <SoftwareExplorer> lifeless: because when the program crashes without gdb, it says on the command line, every time, The program 'totem' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'. (Details: serial 1475 error_code 8 request_code 1 minor_code 0) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a
[06:38] <lifeless> SoftwareExplorer: your text cut off at 'asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a'
[06:38] <SoftwareExplorer> while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[06:41] <ddecator> i wonder if the bug is with the programs themselves, or the way rgba is implemented...
[06:42] <ddecator> SoftwareExplorer, are you using the ayatana team's rgba ppa, or something custom?
[06:43] <SoftwareExplorer> ddecator: I'm using a custom compiled gtk module.
[06:45] <ddecator> hm, that makes it even harder. at least the ayatana team's ppa has reports on lp...
[06:46] <SoftwareExplorer> I'm using this:http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/RGBA+Gtk%2B+module?content=100556
[06:47] <ddecator> it does say on there that not all apps can use rgba and you should specify which ones it should be used on...
[06:48] <SoftwareExplorer> ddecator: I know. I'm just trying to figure out why, and maybe even how to fix them.
[06:50] <ddecator> i'm just not sure what the protocol would be for this. if you were using the ayatana team's ppa then the devs would most likely be more interested in fixing the rgba issue since it will be included by default eventually, but a custom module may function differently
[06:50] <ddecator> this isn't really my area to be honest...
[06:51] <persia> ddecator: I think you're putting to much focus on individuals, and not enough on general issues.
[06:51] <persia> To me, it doesn't really matter who might look at something, as long as we're clearly identifying bugs in Ubuntu.
[06:52] <persia> SoftwareExplorer: I'll encourage you to get stuff into Ubuntu if you want to test with Ubuntu.  The lack of debug symbols is quite possibly related to it not being built as a regular package (but I know little about gnome-look stuff).
[06:52] <ddecator> persia, sorry, didn't mean to make it sound that way. i'm just not sure how a bug when using a custom module would be handled as opposed to a bug with an official ubuntu package
[06:53] <persia> Generally we tell folk to go file bugs against the bugtracker for the custom module :)
[06:53] <ddecator> persia, fair enough, that's what i was wondering =)
[06:53] <SoftwareExplorer> I mostly want to learn a little about debugging and figured that since programs seem to crash with the same error if you use the atayana repo or the custom module, so I figured the cause might be similar.
[06:54] <ddecator> you've had the same issues with the ayatana packages as well?
[06:55] <SoftwareExplorer> back when I was using them, program would crash saying the same things on the command line.
[06:58] <SoftwareExplorer> I just used the custom module because it actually does give you rgba gtk, an I couldn't seem to get the atayana ppa to do that.
[08:23] <dehqan>  after upgrading libc6 and reboot , ubuntu 9.04 does not boot completely and gives this error in the middle of boot http://imagebin.org/87436  , how to fix it ? will downgrading libc6 solve it ?
[08:23] <persia> First, file a bug.
[08:24] <persia> How to fix is hard.  downgrading libc6 is very hard if the machine won't boot, as you'll need to boot off e.g. liveCD and chroot into the target environment.
[08:24] <persia> Which architecture are you using?
[08:26] <dehqan> am chroot now
[08:26] <dehqan> persia: ^
[08:26] <persia> OK.  Which architecture are you using?
[08:27] <persia> And thanks for continuing here rather than there :)
[08:27] <dehqan> 32 bites
[08:27] <dehqan> x86
[08:27] <persia> Anyone else have a jaunty i386 install handy?
[08:28]  * persia is trying to set one up, but this process may take a couple hours
[08:29] <dehqan> persia: wait
[08:29] <dehqan> maybe some packages are not installed and hold back
[08:29] <dehqan> how to find them and install them
[08:29] <persia> Well, I'll keep downloading.  That doesn't take attention, and if nobody else has such an environment to confirm that it's a global issue rather than a local issue, I want to confirm.
[08:30] <persia> dehqan: `apt-get -f install` typically tries to fix a broken installation.
[08:31] <dehqan> persia: not broken hold back
[08:31] <persia> OK.  That's unfortunate.
[08:31] <persia> Try `apt-get update` and `apt-get dist-upgrade` just to make sure.
[08:31] <jibel> persia, hi. I have one.
[08:32] <persia> jibel: Excellent.  Do you have a new libc6 available as an upgrade candidate, or did you upgrade it recently?
[08:32] <dehqan> persia: apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade distro
[08:32] <jibel> wait, it's booting ...
[08:32] <persia> dehqan: Not if you don't change the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:33] <persia> dehqan: Please *don't* use update-manager to update, as I believe this can be verified and fixed without that.
[08:33] <persia> (and I think update-manager *will* upgrade to karmic if told to "Upgrade to the newer distribution")
[08:33] <jibel> persia, libc6 and 208MB to upgrade
[08:34] <jibel> what's the better test, upgrade them all or just libc6 ?
[08:34] <persia> dehqan: Which do you think?
[08:34] <persia> dehqan: Or rather, what did you do?
[08:35] <dehqan> persia:  in fact . was trying to install xchat plugins , so synaptic has downloaded all packages and has started installing them , then it asked me to upgrade libc6 and ....
[08:35] <persia> dehqan: Be aware that we may be making your system unbootable, but if that's the case, we need to fix that soonest, so I want to make sure it affects more than one person.
[08:35] <persia> jibel: OK.  Try just upgrading libc6 then.  That sounds like it's a closer match to what dehqan did.
[08:36] <jibel> ok.
[08:37] <jibel> rebooting
[08:37] <dehqan> persia: oh source.list has been changed to deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic main universe restricted multiverse
[08:38] <persia> Oh, that's why it's broken.
[08:39] <jibel> reboot successful.
[08:39] <dehqan> persia:  what is your opinion about returning to 9.04 rep and apt-get install libc6 ?
[08:39] <dehqan> jibel:  thanks for helping
[08:39] <persia> jibel: Thanks a lot for testing that.  Sounds like a local bug to me.
[08:39] <jibel> to me too.
[08:39] <persia> dehqan: That *might* work, but you'd have to downgrade every package you installed from karmic, potentially.
[08:40] <persia> dehqan: Unless something horrible would break, I think it's safer to upgrade to 9.10.
[08:40] <dehqan> persia: no that's not be upgraded now
[08:41] <persia> Then you're going to want to change "karmic" back to "jaunty", and then go downgrade every package that has been upgraded since it became "karmic".
[08:41] <persia> Until you do that, I suspect you'll end up with all sorts of miscellaneous bugs.
[08:42] <persia> Also note that downgrading is not always safe, so you may end up with some unfixable bugs as a result of having upgraded and downgraded some applications.
[08:43] <jibel> dehqan, your system is in a very unstable state and mixing distro is generally a bad idea.
[08:43] <jibel> If possible, it would be safer to backup your data and reinstall.
[08:44] <persia> jibel: That's probably a better solution than mine.  Thanks!
[08:45] <dehqan> how to downgrade packages that have been upgraded ?
[08:45] <dehqan> persia:  jibel ^
[08:45] <jibel> apt-get install package/jaunty
[08:46] <persia> The trick is finding the list of packages that got upgraded.
[08:46] <jibel> or apt-get install package=version
[08:46] <BUGabundo_remote> morninguetto
[08:47] <persia> dehqan: /var/log/dpkg.log should show you the list of changes in packages (although it's very verbose).  I'm not sure how you'd know when it was changed to karmic: maybe from some of the versions installed.
[08:47] <jibel> dehqan, or download the archives of the package you want to downgrade and dpkg -i packages.deb
[08:47] <jibel> dehqan, the tools will be reluctant to do that
[08:48] <dehqan> how about ?  apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade with 9.04 rep ?
[08:49] <persia> That won't downgrade anything.
[08:49] <bcurtiswx> good morning europe
[08:49] <dehqan> persia: why ?
[08:50] <persia> dehqan: Because they assume you intentionally upgraded stuff from somewhere, and don't want to break your customisations.
[08:51] <dehqan> customisations ?
[08:52] <dehqan> persia: what do you mean of  customisations ?
[08:53] <jibel> dehqan, regarding the list, open synaptic, choose the filter 'Origin' on the left pane and select the packages marked as 'installed' in the package list
[08:54] <dehqan> jibel: no gui
[08:54] <persia> dehqan: apt-get believes you did something like install software from a PPA.  It can't know what you really did.
[08:54] <jibel> dehqan, :/
[08:55] <dehqan> persia: see what has happened http://pastebin.com/EEcE6bc9
[08:57] <persia> That's a pretty long list :)
[08:58] <persia> But yeah, you'd do best to reinstall or upgrade.  If these are not options, you need to downgrade all of those (and potentially any more that scrolled off the top of the page).
[09:03] <dehqan> persia:  dpkg --configure -a does not do any work
[09:04] <persia> That's expected.  Everything you have is configured correctly.  It just doesn't happen to work.
[09:04] <jibel> dehqan, you'll get the list with : apt-cache policy $(dpkg -l | grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}')
[09:05] <jibel> from this list, get the packages you want to downgrade
[09:06] <jibel> then apt-get -t jaunty packagelist
[09:06] <dehqan> jibel:  thanks what does  apt-cache policy $(dpkg -l | grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}') do exactly ?
[09:07] <persia> Oh nice!
[09:08] <jibel> it lists all the packages installed on your system, and print the priorities for each of them.
[09:10] <dehqan> jibel: see http://pastebin.com/EEcE6bc9 packages that have been installed from karmic rep should be reinstall from 9.04 rep also half-installed files and their dependencies
[09:11] <dehqan> so how to get those packages name ?
[09:13] <dehqan> how to get half-installed and installed package names that are from karmic rep ?
[09:13] <jibel> please paste the output of the command (without the grep):  apt-cache policy $(dpkg -l |awk '{print $2}')
[09:15] <jibel> dehqan, sorry,  the output of : dpkg -l
[09:16] <jibel> dehqan, sorry again,  apt-cache policy $(dpkg -l)  (I need 4 hands and 2 brains)
[09:19] <kermiac> hey, anyone get constantly emailed wrt support requests after helping someone with bugs?\
[09:19] <kermiac> just wondering if http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/L3dGUp2V is a good reply
[09:19] <kermiac> as I don't really feel up to being somone's personal support guy, lol
[09:20] <jibel> I usually do not reply to direct emails
[09:20] <jibel> but add a comment to the related bug report with a copy a the email
[09:20] <jibel> s/a/of/
[09:21] <kermiac> ah... that's a good idea. that way the person can receive the help they need, but I don't have to reply to the direct email. excellent :) ty jibel
[09:23] <dehqan> jibel: http://pastebin.com/v0X7wkkz
[09:27] <dehqan> question is this : rep has been changed from9.04 to 9.10 , some packages have been installed , some are half-installed , ... NOW how to get list of packages that have been upgrade or corrupted or .... after changing repository
[09:34] <jibel> dehqan, the list of packages you've upgraded to karmic : http://pastebin.com/NmbEQMYF
[09:35] <jibel> dehqan, having a look at that list, you'd better do a fresh install. Now I think we are clearly offtopic. If you need further support #ubuntu might be a better place.
[11:13] <idella> Does anyone use xen?
[11:13] <nigelb> !ask | idella
[11:13] <ubot4> idella: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[11:16] <idella> Does anyone use virt-manager to install vms in xen?
[11:17] <persia> Did you find a bug?
[11:17] <persia> Which bug?
[11:17] <persia> We're happy to help triage bugs.  If you need support, you probably want #ubuntu-server for that software.
[11:19] <idella> I made out two bugs, 528384 and 527864, but they wern't well received.
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> bug 528384
[11:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 528384 in virtinst (Ubuntu) "virtinst fails to create effective config to boot new vm (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528384
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> bug 527864
[11:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 527864 in virtinst (Ubuntu) "virtinst fails to offer full virt install from within virt-manager (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527864
[11:21] <idella> I got a comment from a developer that ubuntu doesn't support xen dom0
[11:21] <idella> yes that's them
[11:22] <idella> So was at least wondering if anyone else tries xen in ubuntu??
[11:25] <persia> Lots of folk run xen.
[11:26] <persia> I believe the PPA builders even run xen
[11:26] <idella> yes.
[11:28] <idella> I tried it and was wondering if anyone else found the installer just misfires in xen, but works quite well with kvm
[11:30] <persia> Hard to get useful feedback from other users.  You might try the forums.
[11:30] <persia> The problem being that it's explicitly unsupported.
[11:30] <idella> yep
[11:30] <idella> yes it is
[11:30] <idella> oh well.
[11:45] <dehqan> persia: ping am back
[11:46] <persia> did it work?
[11:47] <dehqan> which one
[11:49] <persia> Whichever method you tried (upgrade machine, reinstall, selective downgrade)
[13:56] <nigelb> heya hggdh :)
[14:07] <hggdh> hi nigelb
[14:07] <nigelb> morning :)
[14:08] <nigelb> I end up fixing bugs than triaging them :p
[14:10] <BUGabundo_remote> haaha
[14:10] <BUGabundo_remote> also good, I guess
[14:11] <nigelb> probably, I'm not meeting my 5 a day, but I'm fixing one every 5 days ;)
[14:48] <hggdh> good enough
[14:48] <hggdh> and part fo the bug process
[14:48] <greg-g> nigelb: no complaints on that workflow from me :)
[14:48] <nigelb> greg-g: hehe ;)
[14:51] <hggdh> bug 522332
[14:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 522332 in apport (Ubuntu) "no response when using "Report a problem..." in the menu (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522332
[14:52] <dholbach> "Running a Packaging Jam" session in 9 minutes in #ubuntu-locoteams
[14:52] <hggdh> someone here running 9.10?
[14:53] <charlie-tca> xubuntu 9.10
[14:54] <nigelb> yes
[14:54] <nigelb> ubuntu 9.10
[14:54] <charlie-tca> I have seen that issue, but it is intermittent. I wonder if they enabled apport?
[14:55] <hggdh> I do not know, but the OP states it gets an apport error in .Xsession-errors -- "-c requires argument"
[14:55] <nigelb> it would be nice to know which app it was
[14:55] <hggdh> which is correct, since -c will point to a crash file
[14:56] <nigelb> coz firefox, and xchat works
[14:56] <hggdh> yes
[14:56] <hggdh> (for ffox, don't use xchat
[14:56] <charlie-tca> Will it error that way if the crash file does not exist?
[14:57] <hggdh> will check now, but I am on Lucid
[14:59] <hggdh> on Lucid '/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk -c' and '-c blahblah' both report 'no such file or directory'
[15:00] <nigelb> ah, so an apport bug?
[15:00] <hggdh> oh, OK. it is not /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk that is being called, but ubuntu-bug
[15:00] <hggdh> 'ubuntu-bug -c' *does* report apport-gtk: error: -c option requires an argument
[15:01] <hggdh> nigelb: no, it is not an apport (or ubuntu-bug) bug, but a failure on the action driven by the menu selection
[15:02] <nigelb> ah
[15:02] <nigelb> thats not packaging and not apport, its something in between
[15:02] <nigelb> the one that links report a problem to apport
[15:06] <hggdh> I guess so (if the report is indeed correct). "Report a problem" should call apport-gtk (or ubuntu0bug) with the pid, I guess
[15:07] <nigelb> but how is it working okay for me?
[15:07] <nigelb> it must be for one particular app or something is broken for that user
[15:09] <hggdh> that's what I think, yes
[15:10] <hggdh> and this is what I asked the OP
[18:46] <kamalmostafa> bdmurray: hi - I notice that you subscribed ubuntu-reviewers to my bug 532074 - i'm not familiar with "reviewers" - fill me in?
[18:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 532074 in gpredict (Ubuntu) "Please merge gpredict 1.1-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532074
[18:48] <bdmurray> kamalmostafa: its part of this specification https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/FixingBugsWithPatches for helping get bugs with patches fixed
[18:49] <bdmurray> so the right team to subscribe here is likely motu release and the though is you shouldn't have to know that and someone on the reviewers team will
[18:49] <bdmurray> motu release since we are past import freeze
[18:50] <kamalmostafa> :-) okay, actually my very next question was -- does this mean that I shouldn't follow my ordinary policy of subscribing ubuntu-universe-sponsors.  I thought I wouldn't need to sub motu-release (or ubuntu-release?) since its a bug-fix-only merge.   But -- "import freeze"?  Different from "feature freeze"?
[18:55] <kamalmostafa> bdmurray: Is "import freeze" the same as "feature freeze"?   If so, can't this merge request go straight to u-u-s since its bug-fix-only?
[18:55] <persia> bdmurray: motu-release is gone.  ubuntu-release.
[18:55] <persia> kamalmostafa: Yes, if it's bugfix-only, you don't need a freeze exception.
[18:55] <bdmurray> kamalmostafa: see, its quite confusing! ;-)
[18:57] <kamalmostafa> bdmurray, persia: oh, no, not at all!  ;-)   (I figure you guys just change the names of all the teams every six months to see who's still paying attention! ;-)   thanks for the help folks.
[18:57] <dehqan> persia: http://pastebin.com/hLYWSXHS this source.list file and lsb-release shows it is juanty be apt-get can not download packages
[18:58] <tobias1> Hi there! I would need some help with reporting a bug (and ubuntu.com says I could get it here^^)
[19:00] <persia> dehqan: A system that has been partially upgraded to karmic, and is trying to downgrade back to jaunty is inherently messy.  You have to force-downgrade each package.  Sometimes you have to do it in a certain order.  During the process things may or may not work.
[19:01] <persia> As I have said before, I very strongly believe that you would do best to either reinstall or upgrade.
[19:05] <yofell> !ask | tobias1
[19:05] <ubot4> tobias1: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[19:06] <tobias1> The bug I want to report affects the package "gdm" (precisely the gdmsetup) in version 2.29.6-0ubuntu5 (in ubuntu 10.4 alpha 3). I know gdm doesn't use lauchpad for bugtracking, but I think the problem is ubuntu specific (but I'm not sure with it). So I dont know where to report it. Let me describe it: When starting the gdmsetup through terminal with 'gdmsetup' or using System-->Administration-->Login Screen everything works fine.. the win
[19:06] <persia> tobias1: Please report against the gdm in ubuntu.
[19:07] <persia> (`ubuntu-bug gdm`)
[19:07] <persia> We'll try to replicate it, and check against upstream, and get it filed in the right place, etc.
[19:07] <tobias1> ok thx, but how... when I try to reprot a new bug, I get this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[19:09] <tobias1> ah ok the ubuntu-bug thing seems to work.. thx again
[19:10] <dehqan>  how to make apt-get download from jaunty
[19:15] <yofel> dehqan: if you have jaunty in your sources then you can use 'apt-get install <pkgname>/jaunty'
[19:16] <SoftwareExplorer> ddecator, lifeless, and persia, thanks for the help last night. I figured out my problem: I was running 'break gdk_x_error()' when I should have been using 'break gdk_x_error'.
[19:16] <dehqan> thanks yofel
[19:18] <persia> SoftwareExplorer: Aha!
[19:20] <SoftwareExplorer> persia: I know. I'm excited :)
[19:20] <Kangarooo> how to make apport post files to specific bug? ubuntu-bug python-dogtail 530064 doesnt work
[19:22] <yofel> Kangarooo: apport-collect -p <pkg> <bug#> ?
[19:33] <Kangarooo> yofel: i tryd ubuntu-bug python-dogtail 530064 doesnt work
[19:34] <Kangarooo> it gives me Usage: /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug <pid>|<symptom name>|<package name>|<program path>|<.crash file>
[19:34] <Kangarooo> why apport-collect and not ubuntu-bug ?
[19:35] <Kangarooo> so i need apport-collect python-dogtail 530064 ?
[19:35] <yofel> Kangarooo: ubuntu-bug is for reporting, to update a bug you can use 'ubuntu-bug -u bug#  pkg' too I think, but apport-collect is supposed to be used to add info to an existing bug
[19:36] <Kangarooo> it also doesnt work. it gives me Usage: apport-collect [options] <Launchpad bug number> apport-collect: error: incorrect number of arguments; use --help for a short online help
[19:36] <yofel> Kangarooo: did you forget the -p before the package?
[19:37] <Kangarooo> yes i didnt use -p never knew its needed to be added
[19:37] <yofel> Kangarooo: apport-collect needs -p before the package name
[19:37] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: see its different command
[19:38] <yofel> Kangarooo: ubuntu-bug does not, but you need to supply -u to set it to update-bug mode (please read the man page and the help output)
[19:39] <yofel> bug 530064
[19:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 530064 in dogtail (Ubuntu) "In clean Xubuntu 9.10 installed Dogtail not opening. (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530064
[19:41] <yofel> Kangarooo: what he meant on the report was that you're supposed to file a bug on launchpad with the ubuntu-bug command (as it will attach helpful information that isn't added when you report a bug directly on LP)
[19:50] <dehqan> yofel:  but for some packages that gives E: Release 'jaunty' for 'libicu40' was not found
[19:53] <yofel> dehqan: because library packages have  a version in the package name, in the libicu case you need to remove 40 and install 38
[19:56] <dehqan> yofel: how did you find out it is 38 ?
[19:57] <yofel> dehqan: checked with rmadison what package exists in jaunty, like: rmaison libicu40 -> karmic, libicu39 -> none, libicu38 -> hardy,intrepid,jaunty
[19:57] <yofel> !find libicu
[19:57] <ubot4> yofel: Found: libicu-dev, libicu40, libicu40-dbg, libicu4j-java
[19:57] <yofel> !info libicu38
[19:57] <ubot4> yofel: Package libicu38 does not exist in karmic
[19:58] <yofel> !find libicu jaunty
[19:58] <ubot4> yofel: Found: libicu4j-java, libicu-dev, libicu38, libicu38-dbg
[20:00] <dehqan> yofel: E: Couldn't find package rmaison
[20:01] <yofel> dehqan: it's part of the devscripts package
[20:02] <dehqan> !info libnice0 jaunty
[20:02] <ubot4> dehqan: libnice0 (source: libnice): ICE library. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.5-1build1 (jaunty), package size 75 kB, installed size 232 kB
[20:03] <dehqan> !info libnice jaunty
[20:03] <ubot4> dehqan: Package libnice does not exist in jaunty
[20:04] <dehqan> how about libnice0 yofel
[20:04] <yofel> dehqan: you can use '/msg ubot4 find ...' to talk to the bot in private ;)
[20:05] <yofel> dehqan: as the bot says, libnice0 should exist in jaunty
[20:09] <dehqan> yofel: E: Release 'jaunty' for 'libnice0' was not found
[20:14] <yofel> dehqan: no idea then
[20:31] <Kangarooo> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/532166 theres link to video also
[20:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 532166 in launchpad "Using ubuntu-bug packagename and choosing existing bug doesnt adds ubuntu-bug files (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[20:33] <yofel> Kangarooo: and why is that a bug? You need to add the -u paramter to ubuntu-bug to update a bug...
[20:34] <yofel> the --help output says so
[20:34] <Kangarooo> yofel: ubuntu-bug -u 530064 python-dogtail also not working
[20:35] <micahg> yofel: isn't that what apport-collect is for?
[20:35] <yofel> Kangarooo: and you reported the bug at the wrong place, thats not a bug in launchpad but in apport in Ubuntu
[20:35] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: does apt-cache policy python-dogtail show it is installed for you?
[20:35] <yofel> micahg: well yes, that's what I said too
[20:35] <Kangarooo> apport-collect -p python-dogtail also not working
[20:35] <charlie-tca> Nothing is working to collect the data
[20:36] <Kangarooo> yofel: its a bug couse till launchpad files are collected but launchpad doesnt takes them when added to existing bug report
[20:36] <micahg> Kangarooo: you have to supply a bug # to apport-collect
[20:37] <yofel> Kangarooo: apport-collect says it uploaded files?
[20:37] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: yes apt-cache policy python-dogtail shows details
[20:38] <micahg> Kangarooo: you should jsut be able to do apport-collect 530064
[20:39] <Kangarooo> ok yofel apport-collect -p python-dogtail 530064 strange command finaly did something. it opened not default webbrowser and asks for giving acces to aplication
[20:39] <Kangarooo> yes micahg apport-collect -p python-dogtail 530064 works
[20:39] <micahg> Kangarooo: that's the standard way to add info to bugs AFAIK
[20:41] <Kangarooo> found another bug. when given acces to read write LP shows me info to go to terminal and folow instructions. in terminal is written to press enter when acces given but it worked only after 2 times pressing enter
[20:43] <Kangarooo> also wanted to ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug but got error Package ubuntu-bug does not exist
[20:44] <micahg> Kangarooo: that's an old bug
[20:46] <micahg> Kangarooo: ubuntu-bug `which ubuntu-bug` should works
[20:49] <Kangarooo> micahg: did i unsderstand coretly? ubuntu-bug `which ubuntu-bug` would work? i did ubuntu-bug `which ubuntu-bug` exatly and now its reporting bug about apport
[20:50] <Kangarooo> or did u mean i need to enter bug nr instead of`which ubuntu-bug` ?
[20:50] <micahg> Kangarooo: yes, because it provides the full path to ubuntu-bug
[20:50] <Kangarooo> sometimes in chat its confusing to understand :)
[20:51] <Kangarooo> ill think about some ubuntu expo where we all could meet
[20:54] <Kangarooo> look what i just found. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/501758
[20:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 501758 in apport (Ubuntu) "Attachments not added to existing bug (when adding a comment to an existing bug) (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Won't fix]
[20:54] <dehqan> yofel: how to solve this ? http://pastebin.com/zHjaQWzT any opinion ?
[20:56] <yofel> Kangarooo: you could add that to the bug you reported about launchpad just now as pitti says it's launchpads fault
[20:58] <Kangarooo> add how? as comment heres another bug link or mark this last one as dublicate of mine?
[20:59] <yofel> dehqan: not sure, you need to remove one of the packages first I guess (maybe try  aptitude, sometimes it handles such cases better than apt-get) and let's move this to #ubuntu as this is support, not about bugs
[20:59] <Kangarooo> dehqan: yofel: aptitude rocks. when installing something it removes unused packages.
[21:00] <yofel> Kangarooo: I would put the bug link into a comment
[21:00] <yofel> Kangarooo: yep, nice, isn't it :D (especially the ncurses interface that nobody seems to know about...)
[21:01] <dehqan> aptitude purge libgd2-noxpm done also installing libgd2-xpm but the same error
[21:01] <Kangarooo> ah yofel did i talked with u about half or year ago about aptitude and apt-get ?
[21:02] <yofel> Kangarooo: can't remember, but possible as I do remember an aptitude discussion back then ^^
[21:02] <Kangarooo> somebody knows that german guy who makes aptitude or apt-get?
[21:04] <Kangarooo> i just remembered i talked with one person we put toghether some ideas how aptitude and synaptic could work better but that wasnt continued since i was busy and now i realy dont know the nick of him couse nicks are really easy to forget. at least for me. so nobody forgets my nick i made it confusing :) ok thats another story
[21:04] <Kangarooo> thats not a ubuntu-bug :)
[21:24] <dehqan> thanks everybody god peace you
[23:44]  * Anzenketh wishes there was a bit more discussion on Bug #531493 
[23:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 531493 in gdm (Ubuntu) "Switch "Shut Down" to "Switch Off" and "Suspend" to "Sleep" (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531493
[23:53] <Anzenketh> That is unless that was changed on the backend