=== plars_ is now known as plars === Chex changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 3 released | Archive: Feature Freeze | MoM running (but use bzr!) | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-karmic | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [02:38] didrocks, pitti re netbook.lucid r 1451, not having those headers installed by default is going to aggravate bug 318727 [02:38] Launchpad bug 318727 in dkms "dkms wrong version of linux-headers" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318727 [02:47] Any core devs that could sponsor bug #497606 for me? [02:47] Launchpad bug 497606 in cupsys "lpstat in CUPS 1.3 can't list jobs on CUPS 1.4 servers" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497606 [02:48] "Invalid"? [02:49] It's an SRU [02:49] Ah, right. [02:49] So it doesn't affect all releases [02:50] I...guess ubottu looked at cupsys+jaunty? Sort of a weird pairing to pick, but *shrug* [02:50] Does it still need the cpus fix in lucid? [02:50] No. Karmic and Lucid have CUPS 1.4 and aren't affected [02:50] Err, "cups" [02:50] And cupsys? [02:50] The package was renamed in the Hardy -> Intrepid transition [02:51] So just "cups" in jaunty and "cupsys" in hardy? [02:51] And cups in Intrepid, so there's not a Hardy -> Intrepid regression [02:51] There are debdiffs linked in the description for all 3 [02:51] * persia fiddles statuses, although unable to upload. [02:51] persia, i was able to just upload, uploading appears alive again [02:52] superm1: I need to file a core dev application first :) [02:52] superm1: Maybe you'd like to upload? [02:53] persia, oh for some reason i thought you already were [02:53] Only due to administrative quirk, and applying to either be or not be core-dev is near the top if my todo list. [02:53] i dont have the resources necessary to sponsor (test/build) available atm === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === robbiew is now known as robbiew_ === vorian_ is now known as vorian [03:52] cjwatson: I retried quassel on powerpc (which was having a problem like the one you were having) and it built. Dunno if stuff happens or someone fixed something. [04:20] Could an archive-admin binary NEW adium-theme-ubuntu? Currently both ubuntu-netbook and ubuntu-desktop cannot be installed. It probably needs promotion to main as well. [04:21] (the other option is to undo recent changes to ubuntu-artwork, but that seems like unnecessary archive churn for the sake of an upload war) [04:24] persia: The source is currently in universe [04:25] StevenK: Yeah, but I can make images also with universe if I want :) The source needs an MIR, but has no history. [04:25] * persia goes to find appropriate folk to file the MIR [04:26] persia: I'm promoting it in the first place just to unbreak images. [04:26] Should it get a retroactive MIR? [04:26] Yes [04:26] kenvandine: Could you please file that? [04:26] The MIR should state it has been shoved to main to unbreak image builds [04:27] persia: Source promoted, binary promoted and accepted [04:27] kenvandine: If you can't in the next few hours, I'll file a placeholder for it (with the note about early promotion). [04:27] StevenK: Thank you. [04:28] persia, i thought pitti already did that [04:28] i'll file the MIR bug though [04:28] thx [04:29] kenvandine: I can't find the MIR even with advanced search. [04:29] i didn't file a bug for it [04:29] Might just be missing the source package assignment in the bug though. [04:29] i thought he already promoted it though [04:29] adium-theme-ubuntu | 0.1-0ubuntu1 | lucid/universe | source [04:29] No, it won't be available for another 114 minutes or so. [04:30] (publisher run at the top of the hour taking about 3/4 of an hour) [04:30] Actually, it didn't. [04:30] ? [04:31] Contents generation runs at 4am GMT, and trumps the publisher [04:31] Any core-devs around I can con into sponsoring bug #497606? (It's got ubuntu-sru approval, and tested patches with PPA builds) [04:31] Launchpad bug 497606 in cups "lpstat in CUPS 1.3 can't list jobs on CUPS 1.4 servers" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497606 [04:32] StevenK: Isn't it 4:30 GMT? so we can expect that the next publisher will run, and we'll have the package available around 5:45 GMT? [04:33] (so ~75 minutes I just failed at math before) [04:37] ebroder: This is one of the quietest times of day. You've subscribed all the right folk, and I'm sure they'll get to it when they have a chance. [04:37] persia, bug 531718 [04:37] Launchpad bug 531718 in adium-theme-ubuntu "[MIR] adium-theme-ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531718 [04:38] kenvandine: Thanks. Now I have a justification for requesting promotion :) [04:38] persia: I've traditionally had a *really* hard time getting main sponsorship without poking the hell out of people here [04:38] kenvandine: But you also want to indicate a team that will be taking responsibility for it (ubuntu-desktop?) [04:38] ok, will do [04:38] the art team actually [04:38] i just did the package for them :) [04:39] ebroder: Do you have any good ideas how to convince folk to look at the queue? Because I think it's a waste of your time and a waste of everyone unable to sponsor's time for you to keep promoting on IRC until someone gets to it. [04:39] kenvandine: Then you: I don't think the art team is best positioned to deal with packaging bugs :) [04:40] (and most of them don't happen to be developers) [04:41] persia: I really don't know what to suggest. I'm hosed with classes, so I don't have time to try and flare up about it on -devel@ or anything liek that right now, but maybe that's somewhere to start? [04:42] I'm currently active in a thread about that stuff on -devel@ :) But yeah, I think so. [04:42] I just don't think you should have to complain on IRC. [04:42] persia: I...saw that thread, but haven't been able to follow it because there's too much traffic [04:43] Yeah, I don't disagree, I just go with what has worked for me in the past [04:51] kees, have you tested the firefox profile patch? [05:03] kees: unping [05:13] persia, they maintain all the art packages currently [05:13] well kwwii does i think :) [05:14] but i am here to help of course [05:14] ~ubuntu-art-pkg actually [05:14] kenvandine: Then get kwwii to sign up for this one too :) [05:14] The point being that some team *should* be a bug contact for the package for it to be in main. [05:15] Some stuff got in way back when without this, but for new stuff, it's worth making sure someone volunteers to care. [05:15] (otherwise it suffers bitrot, and the archive consistency folk need to discover it and eject it from main) [05:16] I remember the headache after we put all of python in main [05:16] then slowly ejected it again [05:16] do we need this one? hmm, not sure, lets see who screams. [05:21] That was a bit painful, really. [05:24] persia: An Ubuntu bug contact is not a MIR requirement. Perhaps it should be. [05:26] ScottK: Isn't it? The JACK MIR got stalled waiting for one. [05:26] * persia checks [05:26] I don't think so. [05:26] I could be wrong. [05:26] a sponsoring org is [05:26] lifeless: Hrm? [05:27] which isn't quite the same thing, it could be interpreted that you aren't really interested if you don't make a bug contact though ;P [05:27] the old template - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportTemplate mentions bug contat [05:28] It asks if there is one, doesn't require one. [05:28] ScottK: It's not a strict requirement, but it's item 8, which asks that packages either be simple and in sync with Debian (where it is maintained) or have commitment from Ubuntu Developers willing to spend substantial time on them (and need a package bug contact set) [05:28] (on the new process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements ) [05:28] ignore my comment about org; I was going waaaay back to some original discussions [05:29] lifeless: Oh, right. That stopped being a requirement in Hoary or Breezy, I think. [05:29] <- old skool [05:35] kees: nice catch with chmod [05:45] crimsun: hrm? [05:46] crimsun: oh, yeah. hm [06:12] What tool adds the "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain" at the end of desktop files? [06:13] tedg: probably binpkg mangler or something like that. [06:13] * lifeless defers to pitti [06:14] Heh, I need to file a bug on it. Unfortunately LP doesn't take fuzzy package names yet ;) [06:21] tedg: Check the pkgbinarymangler source. I think that does langpack stuff. [06:24] persia: Hmm, that seems to pull the translations out... but I don't see where it adds the line. [06:26] Maybe it doesn't? Ask pitti :) [06:54] I said something about moin/fckeditor? Hmm. [06:57] I'm guessing it might have been something along the lines of "It's already disabled by Debian" ? === ttx_ is now known as ttx [07:48] good morning [07:49] good morning dholbach [07:49] hey thekorn! [07:57] hola mvo! [07:57] good morning mr Holbach ;) [07:58] heya didrocks [07:59] Good morning [08:00] cjwatson: I could just add an explicit umask 022 and see whether it helps -- otherwise I have no idea [08:00] hey dholbach [08:01] good morning pitti [08:01] hi mvo [08:01] hey didrocks [08:01] superm1: I know, but the CD is hopelessly overflown otherwise :( we were required to get back both OO.o as well as the entire mono stack with tomboy and f-spot on netbook [08:02] pitti: do you thing this issue worths investigate other options? [08:02] think* [08:02] (we have 14 MB free on the daily image) [08:02] persia, StevenK, kenvandine: I wanted to binary NEW it last night, but LP went offline underneath me; thanks for sorting out [08:03] pitti: Are you still ubuntu-MIR? Maybe you can do the review? [08:03] superm1: as a compromise, we could maybe put back the headers, but leave out gcc/make/etc.; the headers are the by far biggest part of the chain, though :( [08:04] lifeless: X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain> that's cdbs' langpack.mk module; I'll tell tedg when he's back online this evening [08:04] hey didrocks, bonjour! [08:04] didrocks: as I said, we could put back the linux headers only? [08:05] pitti: let's have a try [08:05] didrocks: I think that would solve the "pick right headers" problem, and still get rid of some 3 MB [08:05] ok, should *just* fine considering the size [08:05] persia: yes, I'm in the MIR team; I source NEWed the adium thing yesterday, so I already reviewed it; looked fine [08:05] +be [08:05] didrocks: merci [08:05] pitti: y/w :) [08:06] pitti: Would you mind swatting bug #531718 with your staff of authority then? [08:06] Launchpad bug 531718 in adium-theme-ubuntu "[MIR] adium-theme-ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531718 [08:06] (because you source NEWed it into universe) [08:06] good morning #kernel [08:07] persia: wow, that bug is burning! [08:07] * pitti is a bit puzzled about LP's "hotness" calculation [08:07] Is armel a supported arch for Lucid? How much do I need to care that gjs FTBFS on armel? [08:07] hey RAOF [08:07] Good eventide, pitti :) [08:07] RAOF: it is supported; usually the mobile team cares about the porting, but I'm sure they appreciate any help [08:07] RAOF: Please care lots. You can set up a local armel emulated build environment with lucid pbuilder-dist or mk-sbuild{-lv,} [08:08] persia: I've just done so. It builds, but is failing in the test-suite, which means it's probably not built correctly. [08:08] RAOF: is that a regression from the previous upload? [08:09] pitti: I think it is, yes. [08:09] I'll check [08:09] persia: Any tips on making the emulated environment less achingly slow? [08:09] RAOF: I don't know of any. You can purchase hardware if you like. [08:09] after upgrading libc6 and reboot , ubuntu 9.04 does not boot completely and gives this error in the middle of boot http://imagebin.org/87436 [08:09] (current available stuff is a small netbook and a tiny home server) [08:10] Right. There's no magical kernel kvm-make-armel-super-fast switch, then ;) [08:10] RAOF: Hardware isn't that much faster though. [08:10] Not that I've heard about :) [08:19] any opinion ? [08:21] dehqan: Please file a bug and try to get someone in #ubuntu-bugs to verify and escalate. That is potentially a devastating regression. [08:24] after upgrading libc6 and reboot , ubuntu 9.04 does not boot completely and gives this error in the middle of boot http://imagebin.org/87436 , how to fix it ? will downgrading libc6 solve it ? [08:25] dehqan: Why repost here after going to -bugs? [08:25] will downgrading libc6 solve it ? [08:26] This is not the right forum for this discussion. Please follow-up in #ubuntu-bugs [08:26] ok thanks [08:50] Just in case anyone is worred about a libc6 regression: apparently there's a boot failure if one installed the libc6 from 9.10 on a 9.04 system when not otherwise upgrading the system. [08:51] persia: thats a sign of a missing package relationship [08:52] persia: if you can get any hint of what it is and file a bug please do: I suspect libc should breaks ([thing that breaks] << [some version]) [08:52] persia: this may be useful to do now, in lucid if its not already done [08:52] and perhaps an SRU if libc is changed again for karmic [08:53] I'll try to replicate when the jaunty CD finishes downloading, but I don't think I want to try to get that remotely from the user. === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [09:27] folks, is usb-creator-gtk known-borked? [09:30] sabdfl: oh, what happens? [09:30] bug 529366 looks like it [09:30] Launchpad bug 529366 in usb-creator "Regression: usb-creator-gtk doesn't work as of 0.2.16" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529366 [09:30] fails to install bootloader [09:31] ah, seems like 529366 affects me too [09:31] right, seems to be that one [09:31] luckily we have a nice ajaxy way for me to say that :-) [09:31] * pitti approves for lucid and targets for beta-1 [09:31] but once we approach beta, it'll annoy enough folks for it to be fixed quickly :) [09:32] (I mean, who is still burning CDs these days..) [09:32] is there a manual workaround? [09:32] sabdfl: I suppose it happened with the new parted [09:32] <\sh> pitti: /me ;) [09:33] sabdfl: sudo gedit /usr/share/usb-creator/usb-creator-helper, comment out line 96 (with the popen parted) [09:34] sabdfl: that requires the partition to be bootable already, but if you ever used that USB stick to boot before, it should be alright === mpt_ is now known as mpt [10:03] <\sh> kwwii: any timeframe when the new "look" will land in lucid these days? [10:04] <\sh> oh dear...something removed my ubuntu-desktop [10:09] \sh: sometime between today and release ;-) [10:11] why isn't a xorg.conf included anymore? [10:11] <\sh> kwwii: good answer so ok...it's there when it's there ;) [10:13] mtx_init: Most folk don't need one? [10:13] so how is the resolution and stuff set without one? [10:14] autodetection and EDID, but we're drifting off-topic. [10:19] cjwatson: hah, I just got a similar failure on cups/jaunty: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40141304/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-powerpc.cups_1.3.9-17ubuntu3.7_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [10:20] \sh: actually it should be later today [10:21] lamont: did ross (powerpc buildd) recently get an umask change? packages fail to build due to what could be umask 0700 (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40104136/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-powerpc.grub2_1.98%7E20100128-1ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz for example) [10:21] <\sh> kwwii: cool :) I'm keen to try out the new gnome decoration...it looks "interesting" :) [10:21] ;) [10:28] <\sh> kwwii: btw...branding looks very refreshing, trendy and professional...well done, you graphics guys :) [10:30] \sh: thanks! I am really impressed with what our team has come up with ;) [10:41] <\sh> kwwii: hopefully I can make it to the upcoming UDS...I just requested some bucks for the trip from our company...we (we as in Linux Architecture + Operations Team) would like to do some more distro server work and company needs to contribute some workingtime for it..97% of all servers are running ubuntu only :) [10:46] \sh: hehe, that would be cool, I'll buy you a beer ;) [10:48] <\sh> kwwii: and if not...requesting some holidays, driving with family to our relatives in st. vith (belgium) and then coming to you guys, that's an alternative :) === ogra_ is now known as ogra [10:51] \sh, *you* at UDS ?!?! [10:51] <\sh> ogra: looks like... [10:51] cool !! [10:53] slangasek: is the current acpi-support bzr head ok to upload? I just committed a fix from TeTeT, but the other changes in head say "this needs to be handled directly by the kernel" -- is that blocked on a kernel upload? [10:55] pitti: hrm. checking [10:56] <\sh> ogra: yeah...after 5 years it's time again to meet all the new folks :) and of course more important the old folks ;) [10:56] pitti: sorry, 0.132 was already uploaded - apparently I forgot a push [10:56] slangasek: oh, oops; seems bzr was just missing a dch -r/debcommit -r [10:56] yah [10:57] slangasek: if you already have that in bzr, please feel free to push --overwrite, and I'll rebase [10:57] ok [10:57] slangasek: otherwise I can just fiddle in the dch -r/debcommit -r myself [10:57] \sh, hehe, great [10:57] pitti: done [10:57] cheers [11:19] any opinion http://pastebin.com/n3bs4Yhi? [11:30] pitti: ah, yes. that [11:30] pitti: ross got a change from dapper->karmic [11:30] and I apparently need one more tweak [11:32] pitti: did you want to give-back the failed, or shall I? [11:42] pitti: and I'll push the fix to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/517802 this week [11:42] Launchpad bug 517802 in launchpad-buildd "on karmic, winds up launching sbuild with umask of 077" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:43] \sh: I shall look forward to seeing you at UDS [11:44] <\sh> lamont: :) /me too :) [11:49] lamont: ah, thanks a lot! I was already afraid having to do pkg-create-dbgsym SRUs for all releases [11:49] lamont: I know of grub2 and brasero, I can give them back [11:50] but it probably affected a lot of other builds === al-maisan is now known as al-maisan-lunch [11:50] lamont: grub2/brasero given back [11:51] https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/ross/+history <-- pitti [11:51] you wanna start at the top, and I'll start at the bottom, and we'll meet in the middle? [11:51] lamont: ack [11:52] lamont: I'm up to ktorrent [11:52] or "down to" [11:54] and FIN [11:55] I think we're done [11:55] lamont: thanks a lot! [11:55] cjwatson: so, grub2 should build now [11:55] given that the queue was basically empty, I'm not going to bother rescoring those builds unless they become an issue [11:55] pitti: thanks [11:55] <\sh> hmm...does anybody has problems with lucid server mounting lvm devices during bootup ? [11:56] * persia has no such issues with desktop mounting lvm devices [11:56] <\sh> strange [11:57] neither do I with desktop too [11:57] <\sh> my server setup waits for the lvm devices coming up..and waits and waits and waits... [11:58] <\sh> just checked the /etc/fstab syntax so that I'm not mistaken...very strange [11:59] <\sh> mounting via cli does work fine *bah* [12:02] who is in charge of wpasupplicant? [12:03] it spams the log constantly, there's a new version in squeeze that could be synced [12:05] chrisccoulson: ^ sounds a bit like your new hat? [12:05] yeah, possibly! [12:05] what does it spam the log with? [12:06] oh, right, i can see it too [12:06] chrisccoulson: bug 352118 [12:06] Launchpad bug 352118 in wpasupplicant "WPA writes possibly unnecessary messages to the system log" [Unknown,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352118 [12:06] tjaalton - thanks [12:06] there's 0.6.10-2 in unstable that could be synced [12:07] only change in lucid was to change the libkreadline build-dep [12:07] -k [12:07] tjaalton, i'll take a look at that later, i've got some other things to do first [12:07] thanks anyway [12:07] chrisccoulson: ok, thanks [12:08] so it's primarily a "check 0.6.10 for FF compatibility" exercise? [12:08] that too === pts_ is now known as pths [12:23] <\sh> soren: why does vmbuilder kvm ... --debug doesn't work anymore? [12:23] \sh: What doesn't work? [12:24] <\sh> soren: no debug output... just the standard blabla of vmbuilder...but no "debootstrap output" or anything which was there before...tried to set --debug and --verbose but no change [12:25] \sh: I see plenty of output. [12:26] \sh: Pastebin your commandline along with the output, please. [12:28] StevenK: did you sync mongodb and xmonad-contrib? OK to flush them? [12:28] james_w: No, mass-sync died horribly [12:28] ah [12:28] james_w: With a 412 error [12:28] heh [12:29] <\sh> soren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/388237/ <- cli | http://paste.ubuntu.com/388238/ <- output on karmic | http://paste.ubuntu.com/388239/ <- output on lucid [12:29] StevenK: are you retrying? [12:31] mvo, your last fix to python-apt wont work ... ports uses the /ubuntu-ports subdir [12:32] \sh: Don't pass both --debug and --verbose. [12:32] \sh: --debug will first set verbosity to debug. Then --verbose will reduce it to verbose. [12:32] <\sh> soren: ok...let's try :) [12:33] <\sh> soren: btw...how to I tell vmbuilder to use a VDE instead of a bridge device? [12:33] <\sh> didn't find anything useful on the interwebs [12:35] <\sh> soren: btw..works..thx..that somehow changed between karmic and lucid :) nice [12:35] ogra: ok [12:36] ogra: I don't see a bug about "sudo locale-gen ru_RU.utf8" not working; I'm going to fix it now, I just wondered whether it was perhaps filed against somethign else than langpack-locales? [12:38] pitti, ?? [12:38] * ogra misses the context [12:38] ogra: .UTF-8 vs. .utf8 [12:38] what we discussed yesterday [12:39] i didnt file any bugs about it [12:39] ok, thanks [12:40] i know the issue from LTSP ... and there it was fixed === Guest49002 is now known as Lutin [13:06] ok, fixed in bzr === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:18] zul: Please use build1 instead of ubuntu1 for rebuilds so it can get sync'ed over automatically in the next cycle (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/sqlrelay/1:0.39.4-9ubuntu1 for an example). [13:18] k [13:28] zul: you uploaded php-imlib as a rebuild-only upload, but there's a serious bug report in Debian that it FTBFS with php 5.3... [13:28] slangasek: yeah im looking at it now [13:29] Riddell: shtylman: ffmpeg 0.5.1 has reached lucid now [13:35] siretart`: lovely thanks [13:36] how I can boot alfa 3 ? my lap top asus k50in with nvidia chipset and 102m graphic not respondig [13:39] crow_: Help for Lucid is in #ubuntu+1 [13:40] crow_: when booting with LiveCD, press F6 and turn on nomodeset parameter, and then check out why LiveCD stops to load [13:42] i try with F6 and install OS, and when I boot OS from HD lap top is freez. mixup the picture of bios and desktop :( === dmart_ is now known as dmart [14:02] odd question perhaps; anyone happen to know what hte current footprint (disk+ram) is for the lucid mimimal virtual machine? [14:07] slangasek: following the brand changes announced yesterday, wouldn't it have made sense to postpone the UI freeze a little? [14:08] jiboumans: How minimal? Just ubuntu-minimal? [14:08] slangasek: for edubuntu, for instance, we're waiting on new logos and other items required to complete the artwork packages for 10.04, wouldn't other teams also have the same problem? [14:08] persia: specifically the installer option 'minimal virtual machine' [14:09] jiboumans: My buildd chroots are 416808k [14:09] (which is probably a little larger than that) [14:09] that's pretty big [14:11] jiboumans: What sort of number were you looking for? That's 400MB. [14:12] persia: something much smaller I suppose. Our EC2 images are 200mb, although that's probably involving compression [14:12] jiboumans: the ec2 images are the standard seed + plus some additional packages fyi [14:13] jiboumans: IIRC there is Ubuntu JeOS project... [14:13] jiboumans: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos [14:13] matti: right, and as of 8.10, 'JeOS' is obtained picking 'minimal virtual machine' from the installer.. which is what i was asking about :) [14:13] Oh :) [14:13] jiboumans: The number I gave you was completely uncompressed. It ought be minimal+build-essential+pkgbinarymangler+pkg-create-dbgsyms+sudo+vim-tiny [14:14] I'd guess somewhere in the 300-350MB range without all that (uncompressed). [14:14] persia: alright, fair enough.. thanks for checking for me [14:14] jiboumans: It would be nice to have Ubuntu Studio -- something like SuSE Studio http://susestudio.com/. [14:15] matti: Ubuntu Studio means something entirely different: http://ubuntustudio.org/ [14:16] persia: Yes, I know... henve I've added "something like ..." :) [14:16] highvoltage: er; I wasn't aware that there would be logo changes affecting edubuntu, but all the same, we need to move forward on stabilizing this stuff so that the doc and translation teams can cover the bases on their side. The UI freeze doesn't generally prevent changes, it just requires coordinating with those teams when you have them === al-maisan-lunch is now known as al-maisan [14:16] highvoltage: what exactly will be changing in Edubuntu's artwork? [14:16] hm, with dh7 and dh, how would I say "run these additional commands in install" [14:17] (I don't want to override the dh_install command, just do extra stuff) [14:17] man dh is blissfully ignorant of this use case apparently [14:18] pitti: override_dh_auto_install:\n\tdh_auto_install\n\t${MORE_COMMANDS} [14:18] slangasek: mostly the logo everywhere that it is currently displayed, Canonical will be providing us with a new one RSN. if changes are allowed then it's probably no biggie. [14:18] persia: ah, thanks [14:18] pitti: And now that you know, you'll see it's in the manpage, just obfuscated :) [14:19] (specifically in the override_dh_fixperms: example) [14:19] highvoltage: right - you might want to mail ubuntu-doc preemptively, and let them know to hold off on edubuntu screenshots until this change is done [14:19] slangasek: same applies to the Ubuntu boot screen [14:19] I have mockups from michaelforrest which I need to process into gfxboot input [14:19] slangasek: will do, thanks for the input [14:20] cjwatson: ah, didn't realize those were still outstanding - ok [14:21] cjwatson: do you want to warn ubuntu-doc as well, on the off chance that someone is trying to take screenshots of this using either the pre-UI-freeze alpha-3, or a current daily? :) [14:22] slangasek: I could include the link to the new branding page in the message I sent and also tell the doc team that they should be careful when seeing an old Ubuntu logo anywhere. It should probably be filed as bugs when there are? [14:22] highvoltage: yes, I imagine so === sconklin-gone is now known as sconklin [14:30] highvoltage: ah yes - thanks === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === jamie is now known as Guest10905 === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === robbiew_ is now known as robbiew [14:59] hmm [15:01] Keybuk, pitti, whom can i blame for that ? udisks or udev ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/388309/ [15:01] blame? [15:01] that looks correct to me [15:01] huh ? [15:01] ogra: what's the problem? [15:01] you have a disk, you ejected it [15:01] the partition device nodes are all gone [15:01] and the partition nodes are gone [15:01] you ejected it [15:01] ogra: if you want to remove the entire device, you have to use "safe removal" [15:01] "" [15:02] i just wanted to mount it to /mnt [15:02] ogra: then you unmount, not eject [15:02] because nautilus uses insane settings so i cant chroot [15:02] so Unmount in nautilus, don't Eject or Safely Remove [15:02] well, i only click the button in the treeview [15:02] right, that's "eject" [15:02] its not clear to me it removes the partitions [15:03] especially since that behavior changed [15:03] I was always disappointed that Eject didn't activate some kind of spring in the USB port and fire the drive across the room [15:03] it did? [15:03] it's been like that for ages [15:03] * ogra just used finger memory [15:03] definitely been like that since Eject actually worked on USB devices [15:03] Eject powers down the USB device [15:03] i do it ten times a day with SD cards [15:03] Keybuk: we disabled that patch, it killed too many small pets [15:03] the disk node remains so you can power it back on again [15:03] or flower pots [15:04] Installed Ubuntu 10.04 LTS- the Lucid Lynx. Applications are opening slowly. Is it correctable ? [15:04] pitti: I understood that they're suspended now again? [15:04] i admit i didnt use USB keys for a while ... so it did only change for USB ? [15:04] ogra: yes, this is a USB core feature [15:04] aha [15:04] Keybuk: "suspend"? [15:04] ogra: SD cards work differently then USB deivces, because of how the hardware is implemented. [15:04] pitti: USB autosuspend [15:04] pitti: I'm not entirely sure I'm up to date on this though [15:04] Keybuk: I'm not sure; do we enable this these days? [15:04] not sure either ;) [15:05] I saw it go back and forth for some particular devices [15:05] it caused a lot of grief with input devices [15:05] I *think* we suspend the devices, not the port [15:05] and before we actually powered off the port in a way that meant it wouldn't come back for some people [15:05] but again, not 100%, check with a kernel team member :p [15:05] either way, it's utterly correct that Ejecting a device makes the partition nodes vanish [15:06] yeah, i'm just to used to SDs it seems :) [15:06] you don't usually partition SD cards, do you? [15:06] sure i do [15:06] why? [15:06] we have to for our armel images [15:06] because the bootloader sits in a raw partition [15:07] that's like partitioning a floppy disk [15:07] well ... [15:07] tell that to arm manufacturers :) [15:07] make them implement a BIOS ;) [15:08] Keybuk: Why? You can get 64GB SD cards these days. [15:09] ogra: Just stuff the bootloader in NOR, and you don't have to do that. Provide a shim solution for folks that have vendors that didn't put the right bootloader in NOR> [15:09] persia, doesnt work with livfefs images ... even our CDs have isolinux [15:09] persia: those are SDHC cards [15:10] Keybuk, oh, sorry, i generalized to much ... indeed i use SDHC cards here too ... if it starts with SD* its an SD for me :) [15:10] pitti, yes i think adding the headers should help, gcc/make can stay out and just get conditionally installed [15:10] oh, sorry, my SD spec knowledge is wrong - I thought it was rarely partitioned - but the spec says SD should have an MBR partition table on it [15:10] can you even buy plain SD still ? [15:11] superm1: that's what didrocks did now; thanks [15:11] cool; good [15:11] yeah, it's done :) [15:11] just cross fingers for tomorrow CD size :) [15:11] ogra: They are sold in a separate section at most electronics shops here. There's still lots of stuff that can't understand SDHC [15:11] ah, well ... i havent seen them for a while around here [15:11] ogra: Works on my Netwalker :p [15:12] yeah, your netwalker is just missing a 24" display :) [15:13] ogra: I had to buy a plain-old SD card a while back; device didn't support SDHC [15:13] wow [15:18] As per the discussion in the -devel ML, it was okayed to change 'short name' field to 'username', I had uploaded a debdiff, can one of the main sponsors look into this? [15:18] bug 529744 [15:18]