| manjo | crimsun, I was trying to get you info on bug #528719 | 00:15 |
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| ubot3 | manjo: Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error | 00:15 |
| crimsun | the maintenance window for LP was just extended another 1,5 hrs | 00:15 |
| manjo | do you want me to cat /proc/sound/... codec/* while capturing ? is this correct ? | 00:15 |
| crimsun | manjo: yes | 00:15 |
| manjo | crimsun, also The front mic playback toggle is muted. Please adjust this accordingly. | 00:16 |
| manjo | what does this mean ? | 00:16 |
| manjo | crimsun, sorry I am audio illiterate | 00:16 |
| crimsun | which bug was this? | 00:16 |
| manjo | Launchpad is undergoing maintenance and is in read-only mode. You cannot make any changes. Please see the Launchpad Blog for details. | 00:16 |
| manjo | Launchpad is undergoing maintenance and is in read-only mode. You cannot make any changes. Please see the Launchpad Blog for details. | 00:16 |
| manjo | [LUCID] Aphla3 Acer AspireOne: Playback of audio recorded from external mic not loud. | 00:16 |
| crimsun | ah | 00:18 |
| crimsun | amixer set 'Front Mic' unmute | 00:18 |
| manjo | crimsun, for my edu... what is 'Front Mic' stand for ? external mic input ? | 00:18 |
| crimsun | manjo: unfortunately that is ambiguous. It's supposed to mean the built-in mic if you have it. | 00:20 |
| manjo | crimsun, awesome! | 00:20 |
| * manjo learned something important today | 00:20 | |
| crimsun | it's unfortunate because it's the precise opposite in many cases :/ | 00:21 |
| manjo | crimsun, if I get a chance and you get some free time @ uds I would like to learn some basic audio debugging | 00:21 |
| crimsun | sure | 00:21 |
| manjo | crimsun, that is very kind of you .. thanks | 00:21 |
| TheMuso | bjf and I were thinking of doing something audio related at UDS. | 00:22 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: like a plenary? | 00:22 |
| TheMuso | Since I've been learning a bit recently as well. | 00:22 |
| bjf | TheMuso, we were? news to me :-) | 00:22 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: No, more a session of "audio doesn't work, bring it here and we'll do what we can to fix it" | 00:22 |
| crimsun | oh, that would be nice | 00:22 |
| TheMuso | bjf: I vaguely remember saying such to you and Conor. Its not on record, so don't hold me to it. | 00:23 |
| crimsun | (granted, that's what I end up doing at UDS anyhow) | 00:23 |
| manjo | crimsun, luke I have few audio related bugs on netbooks that I have filed this week... | 00:23 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: Right, with more of us knowing what the hell to do, we can get more done, and set asside some time where people can come to us to do it. | 00:23 |
| manjo | s/luke/TheMuso | 00:23 |
| bjf | crimsun, if you go I don't want you stuck fixing peoples audio the whole time | 00:23 |
| TheMuso | manjo: Yeah saw those. Unfortunately I am not yet learned enough to help debug hda issues without access to real hardware. | 00:24 |
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| manjo | TheMuso, yep I have the HW, just need the knowledge | 00:24 |
| TheMuso | manjo: I think crimsun knows enough to do remote debugging, but I could be placing him on a pedistel. | 00:24 |
| manjo | crimsun, ^ | 00:24 |
| crimsun | as long as there's the codec output at the time the symptom is seen, it's easier | 00:25 |
| manjo | crimsun, where can I read/rtfm about codecs etc ? | 00:26 |
| crimsun | I've been inquiring whether there's a way to trawl through these alsa-driver/linux bugs to retrieve the codec output, because fixing the volume dB ineptitude is fairly straightforward from them | 00:26 |
| manjo | crimsun, infact how can I disipher what alsa-info prints out | 00:26 |
| JFo | crimsun, I am interested in compiling some kernel audio troubleshooting pages if possible | 00:26 |
| JFo | perhaps you me TheMuso and bjf can get our heads together at UDS | 00:26 |
| crimsun | manjo: so the good/bad news is that it's the Azalia spec on Intel's web site | 00:27 |
| manjo | crimsun, so that is a place to start ? | 00:27 |
| crimsun | manjo: the bad news is that you then need to download the data sheets for every existing codec from codec manufacturers' web sites | 00:27 |
| crimsun | manjo: yes | 00:27 |
| manjo | s**t | 00:27 |
| crimsun | JFo: sounds like a plan | 00:28 |
| JFo | crimsun, cool | 00:28 |
| manjo | JFo, remember we were talking about how to unmute the mic ? ... crimsun just gave me a command line option | 00:29 |
| JFo | manjo, I saw that | 00:29 |
| JFo | coolness :) | 00:29 |
| crimsun | manjo: unfortunately that's actually a quirk | 00:29 |
| manjo | crimsun, on most laptops/netbooks mic come muted by default | 00:29 |
| crimsun | manjo: if the codec were sane, it would be a capture toggle instead of a playback toggle | 00:29 |
| manjo | crimsun, we have a kernel-qa testsuite for audio, right now it tests basic stuff, you can probabaly help me expand it by adding more tests... one thing I learned today is you need to cat proc/sound while recording, so I need to change the caputre test to do that | 00:31 |
| manjo | ie help me identify areas where I can write more test | 00:31 |
| crimsun | manjo: yes, I began updating it to account for an additional round based on negative results, i.e., unloading the existing drivers and loading a daily snapshot's | 00:32 |
| manjo | crimsun, by default on a fresh install... SoundPreferences->Input is always muted ... is this some default in gnome ? | 00:34 |
| crimsun | manjo: presumably | 00:34 |
| manjo | amixer set 'Front Mic' unmute == Unable to find simple control 'Front Mic',0 | 00:35 |
| manjo | crimsun, ^ | 00:35 |
| manjo | crimsun, amixer scontrol == does not list 'Front Mic' ... this is on a Asus EEPC | 00:37 |
| crimsun | manjo: this is the same hardware as in bug 528719, correct? | 00:38 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 528719 in alsa-driver "[LUCID] Aphla3 Acer AspireOne: Playback of audio recorded from external mic not loud." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528719 | 00:38 |
| manjo | no this is on a different one | 00:38 |
| manjo | crimsun, this is on ASUS 1201N | 00:39 |
| crimsun | different hardware, different codecs, most probably different control elements | 00:39 |
| manjo | eeepc | 00:39 |
| manjo | ah! | 00:39 |
| crimsun | would you pastebin amixer output, please? | 00:39 |
| crimsun | 'amixer' | 00:39 |
| manjo | doing ... | 00:40 |
| manjo | crimsun, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/387946/ | 00:42 |
| crimsun | in the current 1201N's case, it's due to 'Capture' being muted and 'Front Mic Boost' being zeroed | 00:43 |
| manjo | crimsun, so I have to manually unmute it ... is there a command line option to unmute ? | 00:43 |
| crimsun | amixer set 'Capture' cap && amixer set 'Front Mic Boost' 100%,100% | 00:44 |
| crimsun | you probably want to increase 'Capture', too: amixer set 'Capture' 100%,100% | 00:44 |
| manjo | wow magic | 00:45 |
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| manjo | crimsun, I have another one .. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/387953/ | 00:55 |
| manjo | this is on a Acer aspire R1600 | 00:55 |
| bjf | crimsun, and you got that "Capture" was muted by seeing that "Front Left" and "Front Right" were "off" | 00:55 |
| manjo | when I record sound all I hear is white noise | 00:55 |
| crimsun | bjf: correct | 00:56 |
| crimsun | manjo: 'Mic' is zeroed and muted | 00:56 |
| manjo | ah crap | 00:56 |
| manjo | crimsun, I did 'Caputure'0 & 1 cap | 00:56 |
| manjo | ok let me try again | 00:56 |
| bjf | manjo, do you see in your pastebin where the 'Mic' is 'off'? | 00:57 |
| crimsun | I would not be surprised if one or more of these need a more recent driver (you could verify with linux-alsa-driver-modules-foo from ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev) | 00:57 |
| manjo | crimsun, ok let me try that .. | 00:59 |
| manjo | when I unmuted mic I get some constant white noise on the audio out | 00:59 |
| manjo | crimsun, so can we quirk this in the driver for each laptop ie unmute, set cap etc ? | 01:00 |
| crimsun | manjo: it doesn't appear to be a driver issue | 01:01 |
| manjo | or is this some kind of user space quirk that needs to be done for each model laptop/netbok | 01:01 |
| crimsun | manjo: I would start by seeing if it's a gnome-media (mixer applet) decision | 01:01 |
| manjo | ic | 01:01 |
| crimsun | we could unmute 'Mic', 'Front Mic', 'Capture', etc., but that could result in some pretty nasty feedback | 01:02 |
| manjo | I assume they have some base config for each type of codec | 01:02 |
| crimsun | (the unmuting would be done in /sbin/alsa-utils) | 01:02 |
| crimsun | right, there's the init db, too | 01:03 |
| crimsun | (alsactl init) | 01:03 |
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| crimsun | manjo: in bug 531715, can you get amixer output while attempting capture, too? | 04:39 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 531715 in pulseaudio "[LUCID] cannot record sound on Acer Aspire R1600" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531715 | 04:39 |
| manjo | yes | 04:39 |
| manjo | its attached to the bug | 04:39 |
| manjo | oh amixer output ? | 04:39 |
| manjo | just a sec | 04:40 |
| manjo | crimsun, attached | 04:46 |
| crimsun | Capture,1 is muted | 04:47 |
| crimsun | amixer set 'Capture',1 cap | 04:47 |
| manjo | crimsun, I did that, I also did Capture,0 | 04:52 |
| manjo | and boosted to 100% | 04:53 |
| manjo | crimsun, do you want codec output after I do that ? | 04:53 |
| crimsun | manjo: no need. I presume that unmuting 'Mic' playback has no effect? | 04:55 |
| manjo | crimsun, umuting the mic caused the audio out to produce a constant hissing noise | 05:03 |
| crimsun | manjo: ok, at least that works correctly. | 05:04 |
| manjo | I have the output of codecs with capture 1,0 set to cap... | 05:04 |
| crimsun | manjo: can you try linux-alsa-driver-modules-2.6.32-15-generic from the ubuntu-audio-dev ppa? | 05:04 |
| manjo | do you want me to attach that info ? | 05:04 |
| manjo | yep | 05:04 |
| crimsun | no need | 05:04 |
| manjo | crimsun, rebooting with your ppa installed | 05:09 |
| manjo | crimsun, no luck | 05:14 |
| crimsun | manjo: please rerun apport-collect 531715 | 05:14 |
| manjo | crimsun, updated | 05:17 |
| crimsun | manjo: can you verify the symptom without PA? pasuspender -- arecord -Dplughw:NVidia -fcd | 05:24 |
| manjo | doing | 05:25 |
| manjo | gnarl, lucid tree does not build for me | 05:25 |
| manjo | gnarl, can you verify | 05:25 |
| manjo | gnarl, I send apw a mail about it | 05:26 |
| manjo | crimsun, doing ... | 05:26 |
| crimsun | manjo: also, is it just capture that doesn't work? | 05:28 |
| manjo | crimsun only capture does not work | 05:29 |
| crimsun | ok | 05:29 |
| manjo | crimsun, with that command I don't hear any sound | 05:29 |
| manjo | crimsun, earlier I could hear something like a SW radio sound | 05:29 |
| manjo | ie noise | 05:29 |
| crimsun | manjo: well, you shouldn't. | 05:29 |
| manjo | ok | 05:30 |
| crimsun | manjo: did anything garble across the terminal when you, say, tapped the mic? | 05:30 |
| manjo | yes | 05:30 |
| manjo | strange chars | 05:30 |
| crimsun | and only when you tapped it? | 05:30 |
| manjo | ie non-printable chrs | 05:30 |
| manjo | no always | 05:30 |
| crimsun | but no noticeable change when you tapped it? | 05:31 |
| crimsun | please check your mixer settings, too | 05:31 |
| manjo | hmm... let me check again | 05:31 |
| manjo | crimsun, I think its pretty much random noise, but when I tap I do see some diff in pattern | 05:34 |
| manjo | crimsun, what I could do tomorrow is get a different set of mic and test with that | 05:35 |
| manjo | probably this one has a bad pin... not sure | 05:35 |
| manjo | but this mic works for me with skype | 05:36 |
| crimsun | manjo: pasuspender -- arecord -Dplughw:NVidia -fcd foo.wav | 05:37 |
| crimsun | should give you something audible in foo.wav | 05:37 |
| crimsun | but I need to head off now | 05:37 |
| manjo | yeah I tried that and there was silence | 05:38 |
| manjo | ok then catch you later | 05:38 |
| apw | damned document package is broken | 09:38 |
| apw | Document /home/apw/build/lucid/ubuntu-lucid/debian/linux-doc/usr/share/doc/linux-doc/linux-doc-tmp/Documentation/DocBook/media.xml does not validate | 09:38 |
| mgoetze | hi... could someone quickly explain the SRU process for me? there's a patch adding pci ids for broadcom 5716 chips, it already has one ack: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-March/009099.html does that mean it will automatically be in the next sru, or is anything else missing? | 10:18 |
| apw | mgoetze, it would need a second ack to get on the SRU track | 11:28 |
| apw | though as i understand things once the current proposed moves there will be a security update before any new proposed kernel would be staerted, so i don't think there is any hurry | 11:30 |
| mgoetze | apw: you mean there will be no non-security SRUs for hardy anymore, and it would need to sneak into a security update? | 11:33 |
| apw | no not saying that at all. saying that there is time yet to get any acks it needs | 11:34 |
| matti | Hi apw | 11:37 |
| apw | hi | 11:38 |
| * apw wins against doc-book | 11:51 | |
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| tgardner | apw, bug #531981 | 16:01 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 531981 in ubuntu "[MIR] linux-qcm-msm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531981 | 16:01 |
| apw | tgardner, thanks | 16:17 |
| tgardner | apw, prolly don't need to get it in -meta just yet | 16:18 |
| apw | tgardner, ack | 16:18 |
| * apw has plenty of other poo to deal with | 16:19 | |
| tgardner | apw, i can take care of it when it finally pops | 16:19 |
| apw | tgardner, heh whchever, its not a lot of work, but i'll get it on the tracker | 16:20 |
| manjo | tgardner, so we are going back and forth on the firmware update... since there is no clear doc or wiki ... I am always missing things, I am trying to copy what already exists ... and even that is not consistent ... | 16:20 |
| tgardner | manjo, well, like I said, gimme some names and email addresses at least. | 16:21 |
| manjo | tgardner, apart from who gave it to me how and when ... is there any thing else I need ? | 16:21 |
| manjo | tgardner, once I am through I will doc it in a wiki and you can cross check | 16:22 |
| tgardner | manjo, k | 16:22 |
| manjo | tgardner, sorry about the mess | 16:22 |
| tgardner | manjo, np | 16:23 |
| apw | manjo, i assume there is no licencing issue with the driver itself | 16:23 |
| manjo | apw, I got the licen"ce" from realtek | 16:23 |
| manjo | just need doc who when where how | 16:23 |
| manjo | tgardner, I pushed the changes to whence file ... | 16:32 |
| manjo | tgardner, please ping me if there is any more bits missing I will be happy to fix them | 16:33 |
| manjo | apw, we have the skype call ? | 16:33 |
| apw | not every other week | 16:34 |
| manjo | apw, but I could probably skype you ? :) | 16:34 |
| manjo | won't take more than 10mts or so | 16:34 |
| apw | as you wish | 16:34 |
| manjo | ok ... skype you in a minute or so? | 16:35 |
| * apw makes tea, make it 2 | 16:35 | |
| manjo | apw, https://wiki.canonical.com/KernelTeam/manjo/status-2010 | 16:42 |
| JFo | I need to do something like that | 16:45 |
| tgardner | apw, I have a generic hash library I'm thinking of submitting upstream, cause I couldn't find one anywhere else in the kernel. Do you suppose it would be like tilting at a windmill? | 18:00 |
| apw | the question will be, is it performant enough for any of the use cases which it fits | 18:01 |
| apw | generic generally == slower ... and hashes are often in perf critical spaces | 18:01 |
| apw | though people for rbtrees and the like in, so it can be done | 18:01 |
| tgardner | apw, I've been using it in a couple of netfilter modules for 5-7 years. | 18:01 |
| tgardner | on single core Geods | 18:02 |
| apw | you might approach peterz about it, he is into major optimised access for trees and stuff | 18:02 |
| tgardner | apw, how about Andrew? | 18:02 |
| apw | might have an angle on how to present it | 18:02 |
| apw | he is a good conduit in for the code once it has traction as its not for anywhere in particular | 18:03 |
| tgardner | apw, I've about got it cleaned of 2.4'isms. I'll run it through the k-t list so you guys can have a look. | 18:03 |
| apw | soudsn good | 18:04 |
| tgardner | cnd, kudos on bug #530348, great sleuthing. | 18:05 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 530348 in linux-firmware "e100: eth0: e100_request_firmware: Failed to load firmware "e100/d101m_ucode.bin" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530348 | 18:05 |
| cnd | tgardner: thanks | 18:25 |
| apw | cnd, yeah that was good work :) | 18:37 |
| cnd | apw, thanks | 18:37 |
| cnd | I learned all about the firmware upload process on both sides of the kernel divide and udev too :) | 18:38 |
| apw | most excellent :) | 18:38 |
| apw | now to get that into some debugging hints wiki pages | 18:38 |
| cnd | apw, true true | 18:39 |
| JFo | yep yep... and let JFo know where they are cnd ;) | 18:39 |
| cnd | JFo: kk | 18:40 |
| * JFo adds them to the list to be included in the Kernel Team pages reorg | 18:40 | |
| apw | jjohansen1, pulled your apparmor update, ta. | 18:59 |
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| === Hedgehog is now known as Guest54155 | ||
| * cnd kills the OOM killer by adding a swap file | 19:10 | |
| JFo | cnd, that on the new mini or a bug? | 19:20 |
| cnd | JFo: no, that's on my macbook with 2G of ram! | 19:21 |
| cnd | swap partition was set to 750 MB by default | 19:21 |
| cnd | it's not enough apparently | 19:21 |
| cnd | evolution is a hog | 19:21 |
| cnd | chrome (maybe?) is a hog | 19:21 |
| hyperair | evolution is probably the one at fault. | 19:21 |
| hyperair | for chrome you can see about:memory for how much it is actually using | 19:22 |
| cnd | thunderbird is a hog | 19:22 |
| hyperair | that i agree. | 19:22 |
| cnd | (not that I run both thunderbird and evolution at the same time) | 19:22 |
| hyperair | heh | 19:22 |
| cnd | I usually stick with one of the mail clients until it start seizing up in an endless cycle | 19:22 |
| hyperair | thunderbird takes up a lot of memory. but evolution hangs over a bad network. | 19:22 |
| hyperair | which is ridiculous | 19:22 |
| cnd | then I flip to the other, that miraculously is fixed | 19:22 |
| hyperair | lol | 19:23 |
| cnd | this has happened about every 2 weeks for a month now | 19:23 |
| hyperair | i got rid of evolution completely because it'd hang my panel whenever i clicked on the clock. | 19:23 |
| * cnd contemplates using mutt or pine | 19:23 | |
| hyperair | that pile of crap ought to be rewritten from ground up. | 19:23 |
| hyperair | evolution i mean | 19:24 |
| cnd | do you think mutt or pine will sync with my google caldav calendars? :) | 19:24 |
| hyperair | it's got features, but it hangs too damn much, and is completely dependent on the stability of the network and mail servers (and calendar servers) in order to not hang. | 19:24 |
| hyperair | and do mutt or pine even have calendar features? | 19:25 |
| cnd | hyperair: I don't think so... | 19:25 |
| hyperair | yeah, see? | 19:25 |
| JFo | cnd, I have been using the web interface | 19:25 |
| hyperair | so we've got nothing that can replace it properly, and evolution is a pile of crap. | 19:25 |
| JFo | it is all I have found so far | 19:25 |
| cnd | JFo: for which accounts? | 19:25 |
| * hyperair uses rainlendar for calendar features. | 19:26 | |
| JFo | the internal ones | 19:26 |
| * JFo googles rainlendar | 19:26 | |
| hyperair | it's non-free. | 19:26 |
| JFo | hmm | 19:26 |
| hyperair | i'd rather have something that integrates into the gnome-panel's clock, *AND* not hang my panel. | 19:26 |
| JFo | the option I was told about for using on my phone flattens them all | 19:26 |
| JFo | I want them to be seperately accessible | 19:27 |
| JFo | separately* | 19:27 |
| hyperair | so use google cal | 19:27 |
| JFo | I do | 19:27 |
| JFo | :) | 19:27 |
| hyperair | and so do i, so my solutions are all separately accessible | 19:27 |
| JFo | I want something that makes sense and that is integrated with my e-mail | 19:27 |
| hyperair | anyway what has email clients and calendars got to do with the kernel? | 19:28 |
| JFo | <-spoiled :) | 19:28 |
| JFo | nothing | 19:28 |
| hyperair | JFo: sunbird. | 19:28 |
| JFo | we digressed | 19:28 |
| hyperair | wait a sec. not sunbird | 19:28 |
| hyperair | lightning or something.. | 19:28 |
| hyperair | lightningbird? | 19:28 |
| hyperair | @_@ | 19:28 |
| * hyperair -> bed | 19:28 | |
| JFo | night hyperair | 19:29 |
| JFo | :) | 19:29 |
| hyperair | night =) | 19:29 |
| dyek | Hi! Is Ubuntu 9.10's vmlinuz-2.6.31-16-generic using a compression algorithm other than gzip, such as LZMA? | 20:40 |
| cnd | JFo: I just added https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Firmware | 21:47 |
| cnd | A few people were automatically notified, but the list doesn't seem to include you | 21:48 |
| JFo | excellent | 21:48 |
| cnd | you may want to add yourself | 21:48 |
| JFo | yeah, I will subscribe to it | 21:48 |
| cnd | well, half the team was notified :) | 21:48 |
| JFo | heh | 21:48 |
| cnd | JFo: I'm going to add it to the knowledgebase if the wiki stops being DDoS'd | 21:50 |
| JFo | ok | 21:51 |
| JFo | sounds good | 21:51 |
| jk- | dyek: nope, gzip | 22:02 |
| mozmck | compiled the karmic kernel from git today and it got almost done and failed with the following: | 22:49 |
| mozmck | get_debug_info: Can't create a handle for a new debug session. | 22:49 |
| mozmck | makedumpfile Failed. | 22:49 |
| mozmck | make[1]: *** [install-generic] Error 1 | 22:49 |
| mozmck | make: *** [binary-generic] Error 2 | 22:49 |
| mozmck | what does that mean? | 22:49 |
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| mozmck | figured it out. I disabled debugging in the config, so I had to add “no_dumpfile=true” before the build command | 23:11 |
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