[00:51] <Red_HamsterX> It's got limitations, but a library that takes a screenshot of the active window and uploads it to a webserver, as discussed with godbyk about eight hours ago, has been committed under quickshot/lib/.
[00:51] <Red_HamsterX> Window decorations are correctly handled using both Compiz and Metacity.
[00:52] <godbyk> cool
[00:52] <Red_HamsterX> (I'll look into breaking the active window requirement later)
[01:28] <humphreybc> what's new folks?
[01:28] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: not that much
[01:28] <humphreybc> don't be foolish, there's always something new :P
[01:29] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: miss me or notice that I was gone? :D
[01:29] <humphreybc> i did notice you were gone!
[01:29] <humphreybc> where have you been?
[01:29] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: on IRC still sure, but not coming here
[01:30] <humphreybc> oh right
[01:30] <humphreybc> howcome?
[01:31] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: didn't want to.  plus I am not working on the actsual manual anyway
[01:31] <humphreybc> fair nuff
[01:32] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: How's it coming along anyway?
[01:32] <humphreybc> busy busy busy
[01:32] <humphreybc> very busy
[01:32] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: differnet answet to what dutchie gave me earlier, altough similar
[01:33] <humphreybc> heh what did he say?
[01:33] <sebsebseb> answer above,  I don't need to correct this, but  answet  looks like a right silly typeo to me
[01:34] <sebsebseb> [21:43] <sebsebseb> dutchie: How's the manual coming along?
[01:34] <sebsebseb> [22:05] <dutchie> sebsebseb: well-ish I think
[01:34] <sebsebseb> [22:05] <dutchie> lots still to do though
[01:35] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: there you go!
[01:35] <humphreybc> lol
[01:35] <sebsebseb> Why lol?
[01:36] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: ?????
[01:36] <humphreybc> sorry dude i'm pretty busy at the moment, chat in a sec
[01:37] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: right ok
[01:58] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: hi
[01:58] <humphreybc> can talk now, what's up?
[02:00] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: not much,  listening to music, and reaching tech news
[02:00] <humphreybc> groovy
[02:00] <sebsebseb> reading not reaching above
[02:00] <humphreybc> you seen all the new ubuntu branding?
[02:00] <sebsebseb> yeah
[02:00] <sebsebseb> jono's link
[02:00] <sebsebseb> and  the other one
[02:00] <humphreybc> what do you think?
[02:00] <sebsebseb> a disapoitment
[02:00] <sebsebseb> they could of done a nice Lucid Lynx background similar to the 8.10 one
[02:01] <sebsebseb> got to wait untill later on, when  the repo's will be updated,  then I can install alpha 3 into vm and get the updates and try.   before I tried to do alpha 3 in vm, but the installer or whatever crashed
[02:01] <sebsebseb> however I was also doing back and forward then
[02:02] <sebsebseb> Thursday 4th user interface,  altough when they do it I guess it will already be Friday for you
[02:02] <sebsebseb> user interface freeze, above
[02:03] <sebsebseb> anyway yeah a nice Lucid Lynx background would be :) as a default background, but no
[02:03] <humphreybc> i think they've made a huge mistake by putting the window controls on the left
[02:13] <humphreybc> the purple is kinda nifty though
[02:16] <godbyk> humphreybc: everyone keeps talking about the window controls on the left, but I haven't seen it yet.
[02:16] <godbyk> what I have seen is the help button on the left.
[02:16] <godbyk> the other buttons are on the right (hidden behind another window)
[02:16] <humphreybc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand
[02:16] <godbyk> and if I remember correctly, that's the way it's always been.
[02:17] <sebsebseb> humphreybc:  godbyk There's also this link http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/03/refreshing-the-ubuntu-brand/
[02:17] <godbyk> humphreybc: what section does it talk about the controls being on the left?
[02:18] <humphreybc> scroll down to "New GtkThemes"
[02:18] <godbyk> humphreybc: if you're just talking about the screenshots, look at the current appearance dialog.. help button on the left, close button on the right.
[02:19] <humphreybc> no i mean the minimize, maximise and close buttons
[02:19] <godbyk> aha!
[02:19] <humphreybc> they've always been on the top right of windows
[02:19] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: yeah well
[02:19] <humphreybc> from now on, they're on the left - like OS X
[02:19] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: Matt Assay whatever his name is
[02:19] <humphreybc> and for no apparent reason
[02:19] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: he likes Mac OS X
[02:20] <godbyk> those are affected by the theme, though, right? so you just pick a different theme and they're back on the right.
[02:20] <humphreybc> mpt?
[02:20] <humphreybc> godbyk, yes
[02:20] <humphreybc> but it's the _default_ theme
[02:20] <humphreybc> and loads of people don't change from default
[02:20] <humphreybc> the problem i have is that there is no reason to move to the left
[02:20] <godbyk> how do you know there's no reason?
[02:20] <humphreybc> it actually makes it look worse, because the left is already clogged with the file, edit, view menus
[02:20] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: if the controls are on the left right.  well now I am also thinking that  this purple background is  OS X like as well
[02:20] <humphreybc> see in OS X it works because those menus are in the panel, not the windows
[02:21] <humphreybc> so now the window title, window controls AND the application menus are ALL on the left
[02:21] <humphreybc> which looks stupid
[02:21] <humphreybc> there's this huge gap on the right
[02:21] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: I guess with Lucid they are trying to compete against OS X a bit
[02:21] <humphreybc> i don't see what it adds, and from a design point of view, it makes no sense
[02:22] <humphreybc> yeah well i'm going to ask mpt myself to see if he can explain the reasoning behind the decision
[02:22] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: who's mpt?
[02:22] <humphreybc> if the reason isn't good, i'm going to challenge the decision
[02:22] <godbyk> lol
[02:22] <humphreybc> mpt is canonical's design guy
[02:23] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: anyway  minimize,  maximize, and close buttons should be on the right like Windows
[02:23] <godbyk> why do you think they should be on the right as opposed to the left?
[02:23] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: go back uhmm I guess it's about four years ago now actsually  I did OS X theme on Ubuntu,  and I had the icons on the left like OS X,  and well  I coudn't just get used to that
[02:24] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: also there's a way in Gnome to change it to left or right still I guess so :D
[02:24] <sebsebseb> however default should be on the right for sure
[02:24] <sebsebseb> since that's what Windows has
[02:24] <humphreybc> i know
[02:24] <godbyk> sebsebseb: why couldn't you get used to it?  just too accustomed to them being on the right and couldn't overcome that muscle memory?
[02:24] <sebsebseb> godbyk: at the time I just wanted Ubuntu to look like OS X, but  I  wanted to keep the buttons on the right, where I was used to them
[02:25] <godbyk> so far, the only reason I've heard for putting the buttons on the right is "because that's what I'm used to".  are there any other reasons?
[02:25] <sebsebseb> godbyk: I tried on the left, and it was like no
[02:25] <sebsebseb> godbyk: Ubuntu is mainly about getting Windows users not OS X users
[02:25] <sebsebseb> godbyk: Windows users have it on the right
[02:26] <sebsebseb> that's what they are used to
[02:26] <godbyk> I think Ubuntu should stand on its own.
[02:26] <sebsebseb> also trying to copy OS X is not really a good thing
[02:26] <sebsebseb> just like if they try and copy Windows, that's not really a good thing
[02:26] <godbyk> It doesn't exist to lure Windows or OS X users away. It exists of its own accord and users should switch to it for reasons other than where the minimize button is located. :)
[02:27] <sebsebseb> godbyk: I am thinking hrm at this Lucid release, from what I know about it, and have tried so far.  Thankfuly there are other good distros as well :)
[02:27] <godbyk> sebsebseb: So you're negating your 'because Windows does it that way' argument?
[02:27] <sebsebseb> godbyk: however Ubuntu is still the one that most newbies will go to first at the moment
[02:27] <sebsebseb> and most of them will come from Windows
[02:28] <godbyk> What parts of Windows should we emulate and what parts shouldn't we?  How do we decide?
[02:29] <sebsebseb> godbyk: well if they end up on the right,  that's something else I'll have to use gconf editor for
[02:30] <sebsebseb> to put back on left
[02:30] <sebsebseb> just like I need to use it, to  put  icons back in system menu and what's missing from places, since silly upstream Gnome decission, and how they also removed the interface thing
[02:31] <godbyk> Heh.
[02:31] <godbyk> So you disagree with the reasoning behind the menu icons? Or just prefer it the old way because that's what you're used to?
[02:31] <sebsebseb> old way since that's what I have used since 2004
[02:32] <sebsebseb> since before Ubuntu
[02:33] <godbyk> Unfortunately for those stuck in their ways, progress requires change. :)
[02:33] <sebsebseb> From what I have seen from Lucid so far,  it's rather hrm,  but thankfuly their are other good distros out there as well,  Mandriva, Fedora, and so on.
[02:34] <sebsebseb> however as someone who wants Desktop Linux to gain a more proper market share, well I'll still have to support Ubuntu,  even if I am not as keen on it as I used to be.
[02:35] <sebsebseb> support Ubuntu as in, help other people with it at times,  if I want to try and make a difference, which I do,  but yeah it won't make much difference,  Windows has what a billion or so users?
[02:36] <sebsebseb> plus it's a nice thing to help people with their computer,  and on the software side I am quite good at that really,  for basic stuff
[02:37] <sebsebseb> godbyk: stuck with their ways blah de blah,  yeah  so now the theme gets changed, like people wanted,  except  XP,  Vista, and Windows 7  and Mandriva as well as a few other Linux distros,   probably all still look better than Ubuntu by default.   Well I don't really know yet,  I will need to try this new theme stuff properly for real,  before I can decide if I think it's good or bad.
[02:38] <sebsebseb> godbyk: Fedora had Plymouth for quite a while, about time Ubuntu has it really,  Mandriva has it as well.
[02:38] <sebsebseb> !ot
[02:38] <manualbot> Best to keep this channel mainly on topic!
[02:38] <sebsebseb> :)  That's the message I suggested for the factoid
[02:38] <godbyk> lol.. nice.
[02:39] <godbyk> Most of the arguments I've heard against the minimize/maximize/close button placement and the menu icons have boiled down to "we just plain like it this way and don't want to change".
[02:39] <godbyk> Which is a fine argument as far as it goes.
[02:39] <godbyk> But there may be good reasons to change.
[02:40] <godbyk> The changes may, in fact, be an improvement to usability.
[02:40] <godbyk> For example, removing superfluous menu icons means that the icons that remain attract my attention and have more meaning.
[02:40] <godbyk> They serve as signposts and don't get lost in the jumble of other multicolored and mostly indecipherable (and therefore meaningless) icons.
[02:41] <godbyk> As for the window controls, I haven't read any studies on that, so I'm not sure if there's an argument one way or another.
[02:41] <sebsebseb> uhmm I put probably  all still look better tahn Ubuntu by default,  well that's wrong,  they do look better than Ubuntu by default
[02:41] <sebsebseb> altough looks are of course opinion
[02:41] <sebsebseb> some people like this, other people like that
[02:41] <godbyk> I could see a hypothesis that their placement on the left is bad because it makes it too easy to accidentally close the window when you wanted to hit the File menu.
[02:42] <godbyk> But perhaps it's better on the left because that's where the other common mouse targets are.
[02:42] <sebsebseb> as for the buttons,  some people really want it on the right since that's what they are used to,  others want it on the left since they like how OS X does things.
[02:42] <sebsebseb> others won't care if it's on the right or left
[02:42] <godbyk> We'd have to experiment and see.
[02:42] <sebsebseb> LTS isn't really the one to experiment in
[02:42] <sebsebseb> oh on the left ah yes
[02:42] <sebsebseb> Gnome 3
[02:43] <godbyk> I'm less interested in how it looks (the opinion bits) and more interested in how well it functions.  (Though appearance does affect usability.)
[02:43] <sebsebseb> that might be to do with it if they are putting minimize, maximize, and close buttons on the left, something to do with Gnome 3
[02:44] <sebsebseb> just like their edits on the right,  well  Gnome 3  has something a bit like that on the right
[02:44] <sebsebseb> !ot
[02:44] <manualbot> Best to keep this channel mainly on topic!
[02:44] <sebsebseb> we are, but oh well
[02:45] <godbyk> There's not much else going on at the moment, so it's okay. :)
[02:45] <godbyk> (Unless you're just enjoying ordering manualbot around. ;-))
[02:45] <sebsebseb> it's a bit of fun to use the factoid though, since  when the bot came.  well soon after it got my factoid suggestion
[02:46] <sebsebseb> godbyk: Do you know anything about Gnome 3?
[02:46] <sebsebseb> Have you seen screenshots or something
[02:46] <sebsebseb> some of these features the later Ubuntu features,  are in a way preparing people for Gnome 3
[02:47] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: manual will change quite a bit I think, when  Gnome 3 becomes the default
[02:48] <godbyk> sebsebseb: I've seen a few screenshots here and there.
[02:48] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: altough  that won't be untill 10.10 or 11.04 I guess
[02:48] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: no not 10.10 I mean
[02:49] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: 11.04 or 11.11
[02:49] <sebsebseb> a bit to early for Ubuntu to have Gnome 3 as a default for 10.10 I think, since Gnome 3 will be released in September
[03:25]  * humphreybc has just finished writing a lengthy blog article on the new branding: http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/my-thoughts-on-the-ubuntu-branding-refresh/
[03:32] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: about to read that then
[03:42] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: I am reading it now, and I will link to it in #ubuntu+1  as well as another channel
[03:42] <humphreybc> sweet as
[03:43] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: sweet as?
[03:43] <humphreybc> heh, it's a kiwi thing :D
[03:43] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: you used their images though, maybe you shoudn't of done that
[03:43] <humphreybc> i'm allowed to
[03:43] <sebsebseb> you sure?
[03:44] <humphreybc> yep
[03:46] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: oh so it's just as simple as changing the theme, to have the buttons on the left?
[03:47] <sebsebseb> that's what I was going to do anyway, if Lucid was using the Karmic icon theme
[03:47] <sebsebseb> I like the Gnome defaults :)
[03:48] <humphreybc> as i understand it, the buttons are linked to the theme
[03:49] <humphreybc> at least, they have been in the past. I don't know whether they're going to *force* all themes to have the buttons on the left for this release.
[03:49] <humphreybc> Either way has pros and cons
[03:49] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: Mat asay whatever he is called
[03:49] <sebsebseb> that new  Canonical employee
[03:49] <humphreybc> which i can discuss later, but right now i have to head off to a computer lab
[03:49] <humphreybc> new canonical employee?
[03:49] <sebsebseb> he likes Mac OS X a lot,  according  to another channel I go to, people in that
[03:49] <humphreybc> who's that?
[03:50] <humphreybc> you sure you're not getting confused with Matthew Paul Thomas, ie, mpt?
[03:50] <sebsebseb> no
[03:50] <humphreybc> mpt has been around for a while
[03:50] <humphreybc> okay
[03:50] <humphreybc> well the thing is, it wasn't just one person who decided on all this
[03:50] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: the new employee who's doing what Shuttleworth used to do
[03:50] <humphreybc> well mark used to be the CEO, and the CEO of canonical now is a lady
[03:50] <humphreybc> anyway, i have to dash mate
[03:51] <humphreybc> i'll talk to you later :)
[03:51] <sebsebseb> humphreybc:  I guess I meant what she used to do then
[03:51] <sebsebseb> Cheif Operating System Officer or whatever it is
[04:23] <Red_HamsterX> humphreybc, have you had a chance to go over the screenshot-ubmission idea that was discussed about thirteen hours ago?
[04:25] <Red_HamsterX> If not, I can summarize.
[04:32] <humphreybc> uuhm nope i haven't seen it
[04:32] <humphreybc> summarize please :)
[04:33] <Red_HamsterX> One-line: submission via HTTP POST.
[04:34] <humphreybc> who suggested that?
[04:34] <humphreybc> and can you elaborate?
[04:34] <Red_HamsterX> godbyk suggested it.
[04:35] <Red_HamsterX> We bounced the idea around, with Luke in the middle, and it seemed to be viable.
[04:35] <humphreybc> okay. thumper had a meeting with the LP managers this morning and he was going to discuss our stuff
[04:35] <humphreybc> before we decide on anything we'll see what the outcome was
[04:35] <Red_HamsterX> He'll set up a server that'll just accept and tag images with a versionable nameing scheme.
[04:35] <Red_HamsterX> It's just an idea, of course.
[04:36] <humphreybc> yeah
[04:36] <humphreybc> that could be nice and simple
[04:36] <humphreybc> just using a database?
[04:36] <Red_HamsterX> Filesystem, probably.
[04:36] <Red_HamsterX> No database needed.
[04:37] <Red_HamsterX> I've got proto-type code that takes a screenshot of the active window, corrected for decorations, and uploads it via HTTP ready for testing.
[04:37] <Red_HamsterX> It's been committed under quickshot/lib.py.
[04:37] <humphreybc> oO sounds very promising, nice work
[04:37] <Red_HamsterX> It handles every theme I've thrown at it, as well as Compiz.
[04:38] <humphreybc> fantastic!
[04:38] <Red_HamsterX> Swapping HTTP for something else should be easy, though.
[04:38] <humphreybc> the sweet smell of progress ;)
[04:38] <Red_HamsterX> I'm hoping to help a lot this weekend.
[04:38] <humphreybc> okay, i've just pinged thumper (and subsequently just did again :D ) so we'll know very soon
[04:38] <Red_HamsterX> I only had an hour today.
[04:38] <humphreybc> he's quite busy with the launchpad 10.02 rollout right now i believe
[04:38] <Red_HamsterX> It's 10.03, isn't it?
[04:39] <Red_HamsterX> Or does Launchpad not follow a YY.MM convention?
[04:40] <Red_HamsterX> But, yeah, HTTP is pretty trivial to set up.
[04:40] <Red_HamsterX> I've done things like that a large number of times.
[04:40] <Red_HamsterX> We'd just need to agree on credentials and tagging logic.
[04:40] <Red_HamsterX> And devise an export routine.
[04:41] <humphreybc> not sure
[04:41] <humphreybc> it's 10.02 though
[04:41] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: if enough people complain about the buttons on the left,  they will probably go on the right.  Just like how they were going to remove Open Office from the net book edition, but enough people complained, so it's stilli in.
[04:41] <humphreybc> okay well you guys know a lot more about this stuff than I :)
[04:43] <Red_HamsterX> ...Remove OOo from UNR? That sounds stupid. :(
[04:43] <Red_HamsterX> I'm glad that didn't happen.
[04:43] <Red_HamsterX> Or else this netbook would be sad..
[04:43] <Red_HamsterX> 'Cause I'd have to give it emotions.
[04:43] <humphreybc> ubuntu/canonical folk can make some pretty dumb decisions, believe me
[04:44] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: indeed @ that
[04:44] <humphreybc> but the theme thing is a bit different the UNE default apps
[05:39] <thumper> whazzup?
[05:39] <thumper> humphreybc: whazzup?
[05:40] <thumper> it is getting the kids into bed time
[05:41] <humphreybc> yo
[05:42] <humphreybc> kk you do that, i'll chat to you afetr
[05:42] <humphreybc> after*
[05:42] <humphreybc> thumper ^^
[05:49] <humphreybc> godbyk, how can i see the analytics on the site?
[06:05]  * IlyaHaykinson_ just asked the general council for creative commons about the license issue.
[06:05] <IlyaHaykinson_> we'll see what she says
[06:05] <IlyaHaykinson_> s/council/counsel
[06:15] <humphreybc> okay cool :)
[06:22] <wolter> well well, have the ubuntu interface designers become crazy?
[06:22] <wolter> the new 'light' theme looks like a cheap mac os x mockup
[06:23] <humphreybc> yes, they have.
[06:23] <humphreybc> wolter, we're working on it.
[06:23] <wolter> and yes humphreybc, I read your blog post :)
[06:23] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/my-thoughts-on-the-ubuntu-branding-refresh/
[06:23] <humphreybc> he he :)
[06:23] <wolter> hahaha
[06:23] <humphreybc> i'm skyping with someone about it now
[06:23] <wolter> thats what informed me, to be precise
[06:23] <wolter> nice
[06:23] <wolter> someone important?
[06:23] <wolter> tell him what people in the channels think (me ;)) haha
[06:24] <wolter> and that purple thing going on... i bet its to make it a bit more similar to mac
[06:24] <IlyaHaykinson_> humphreybc: i agree on the button placement thing for the UI refresh
[06:24] <IlyaHaykinson_> and hope that they reconsider.
[06:24] <IlyaHaykinson_> on the logo colors, though, i don't mind giving them some slack.
[06:29] <wolter> yeah, logo colors are ok, but the main desktop looks like hey, i'm a mac try me
[06:30] <humphreybc> guys, please add your comments to the article
[06:30] <humphreybc> it's going to be read by some high-up people with a bit of luck, and probably on the planet tomorrow
[06:30] <humphreybc> so more feedback on the article itself is good.
[06:32] <humphreybc> :)
[06:32] <wolter> ok
[06:39] <wolter> woow #2
[06:41] <wolter> anyway, goodbye people
[12:00] <humphreybc> godbyk. ping?
[14:04] <rudi> I'm back!
[18:28] <sebsebseb> Hi
[18:47]  * sebsebseb is back
[18:47] <sebsebseb> oh MenZa is in here
[19:24] <MenZa> sebsebseb: Where am I not? :)
[19:25] <sebsebseb> MenZa: Your new to this channel?
[19:25] <MenZa> sebsebseb: Aye.
[19:25] <sebsebseb> MenZa: That's a yes?
[19:25] <MenZa> sebsebseb: Aye.
[19:25] <MenZa> (Yes, yes it is)
[19:25] <MenZa> :)
[19:25] <sebsebseb> MenZa: Ok since when?
[19:26] <MenZa> As of earlier today.
[19:26] <sebsebseb> just found out about the manual or something?
[19:27] <sebsebseb> MenZa: ????
[19:27] <sebsebseb> welcome to the channel btw
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> You never welcomed me. :(
[19:28]  * Red_HamsterX pouts.
[19:28] <sebsebseb> Red_HamsterX: I am only back here as of yesterday
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> Fine, fine. Use logical reasoning. See if I care. =P
[19:29] <sebsebseb> !welcome | MenZa Red_HamsterX
[19:29] <manualbot> MenZa Red_HamsterX: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay!
[19:34] <sebsebseb> Red_HamsterX: You were already in here when I joined today, and I sort of know MenZa a little bit on IRC.
[19:38] <sebsebseb> MenZa: So just wondering how did you find out about the manual/channel or well both?
[22:59] <ubuntujenkins> hello all, hows it going?
[23:12]  * ubuntujenkins has the new lucid theme ;-)
[23:13] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: I have the background, but about to install the theme
[23:13] <sebsebseb> now that the updates are there
[23:14] <sebsebseb> into my vm
[23:14] <ubuntujenkins> not a huge fan of the background I will stick with my rotatating ones, they have rearagnged the maximize, minimise, close order of the buttons
[23:14] <ubuntujenkins> I am on a real machine
[23:21]  * ubuntujenkins lucid has become a bit bugggy for me over the last few days
[23:24] <Red_HamsterX> If it weren't bug-prone, it'd be released by now.
[23:24] <Red_HamsterX> Or something.
[23:25] <ubuntujenkins> I know it was a passing comment
[23:26] <Red_HamsterX> No comments are allowed to pass!
[23:26] <ubuntujenkins> ]But what if I know the password?
[23:26] <Red_HamsterX> That's a password, not a passcomment.
[23:27] <Red_HamsterX> I need to get my Lucid box up this weekend.
[23:27] <Red_HamsterX> Any weird gotchas with the current build?
[23:27] <ubuntujenkins> have you got an nvidia card?
[23:27] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah, but I don't really care about acceleration.
[23:27] <Red_HamsterX> I can use nv or vesa.
[23:28] <Red_HamsterX> (Unless the nvidia maintainers want help tracking down bugs)
[23:28] <ubuntujenkins> well you may have to log in twice. This is solved by either removing plymoth. or clicking your user pressing enter and then x crashes and then you can login with no problem. (It may be nvidia driver only)
[23:29] <ubuntujenkins> They are anoying and keep installing plymoth in updates
[23:31] <ubuntujenkins> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/528830 is the bug
[23:31] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 528830 in gdm "Must log in twice to gdm in Lucid (dup-of: 522692)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:31] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 522692 in plymouth "Pressing <Enter> key causes gdm to restart on first boot" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:35] <Red_HamsterX> I actually encountered something similar to 522692 with 9.10 today.
[23:35] <Red_HamsterX> But I haven't been able to reproduce it.
[23:35] <ubuntujenkins> Weird, my bug is very anoying unless you remeber to deliberatly crass x first
[23:54] <ubuntujenkins> Red