[16:12] <cjohnston> newz2000: pre-meeting meeting question.. you can answer during the meeting though.. are teams going to be required to stick to the template provided?
[16:23] <newz2000> I may be one or two min late, will be close though
[16:23] <cjohnston> ok.. my dad is over.. so ping me when your ready
[16:31] <newz2000> cjohnston: I'm here but I can delay for a bit if needed
[16:41] <cjohnston> newz2000: is 1200 est ok? sorry
[16:41] <cjohnston> if not, i can start now
[16:41] <newz2000> yep, that's fine
[16:41] <newz2000> so in about 20m?
[16:41] <cjohnston> ok.. yes
[16:41] <cjohnston> thanks
[16:45] <cjohnston> newz2000: he just left.. so im ready whenever
[16:45] <newz2000> ok, lets go
[16:46] <newz2000> To answer your question, I think that yes, they need to use it unless we give them permission to change that
[16:46] <cjohnston> ok
[16:46] <newz2000> and I can discuss this with the community council to make it a policy
[16:46] <cjohnston> ok
[16:46]  * newz2000 adds that to his todo list
[16:47]  * newz2000 will check to see if the community council even needs to be involved
[16:47] <cjohnston> ok..
[16:49] <cjohnston> So you were wanting to talk about the tecnical side of this?
[16:49] <newz2000> yes
[16:50] <newz2000> You'll have to forgive me, I'm a bit sick and my head is not working at normal speed
[16:50] <cjohnston> no problem..
[16:50] <newz2000> cjohnston: Do you know what I mean when I refer to the "critical path" in project management?
[16:50] <cjohnston> nope
[16:51] <newz2000> it is the parts of the project, and their order, that must be completed for the project to be a success
[16:51] <newz2000> (and cannot be cut out)
[16:51] <cjohnston> sounds logical enough
[16:51] <newz2000> So we need to define the critical parts and decide the order and dates that they will be done
[16:52] <cjohnston> ok...
[16:52] <newz2000> You start. :-)
[16:53] <cjohnston> so things like url structure, template, gather resources.. stuff like that?
[16:53] <cjohnston> and then obvoiusly code
[16:53] <newz2000> yeah
[16:54] <cjohnston> uggh.. wiki
[16:54] <newz2000> yeah, we're still getting slashdotted
[16:54] <cjohnston> Well.. URL structure needs to be near the top...
[16:54] <cjohnston> but that should be pretty easy
[16:55] <newz2000> I think that the URL structure can make the life of the js devs easier or harder depending on if it's well planned or not
[16:55] <cjohnston> there are two main parts of the project, that can be done at the same time or seperate are the coding and the gathering of resources/actual localizing..
[16:56] <cjohnston> since we determined last week that we dont really need the translations to code
[16:56] <cjohnston> I understand what your saying, but I don't know how... ;-)
[16:57] <newz2000> It may be appropriate to set up a meeting for people interested in the technical side.
[16:57] <cjohnston> Agreed...
[16:58] <newz2000> Some of the outcomes of that meeting should be:
[16:58] <newz2000>  a. Agree on a URL structure
[16:58] <newz2000>  b. Find out who will actually do the code
[16:58] <newz2000>  c. ???
[16:58] <newz2000>  d. Profit
[16:59] <newz2000> scratch that last one. ;-)
[16:59] <cjohnston> lol
[17:00] <cjohnston> by url structure, are you meaning something like w.u.c/Local/en_US?
[17:01] <newz2000> yeah
[17:01] <cjohnston> ok
[17:01] <newz2000> I think coming to that point implies some actual technical discussions about how the code will actually work
[17:02] <newz2000> So it might be good to start it on the mailing list
[17:02] <cjohnston> ok..
[17:03] <newz2000> the next part of the critical path will be...
[17:03] <cjohnston> So basically if the browser choice is es_MX then it would look for Local/es_MX, and if es_MX doesnt exist it would look for /Local/es?
[17:03] <newz2000> That seems to make sense to me
[17:03] <cjohnston> ok..
[17:04] <newz2000> Is the next step to create the Template to be localized?
[17:04] <cjohnston> Prior to that there needs to be a template..
[17:04] <cjohnston> But the template shouldnt be required prior to code.. nor code prior to template
[17:04] <newz2000> right
[17:06] <cjohnston> Since I cant work on the wiki.. http://etherpad.com/SoCfQHOdCn
[17:06] <cjohnston> my notes
[17:07] <cjohnston> Is it possible to have two critical path's.. one translation side and one code side?
[17:08] <cjohnston> possible is probably the wrong word.. valid I guess may be a better one
[17:08] <newz2000> we can do it however we want
[17:08] <cjohnston> ok..
[17:10] <cjohnston> On the technical side, I will definatly need help.. I'm sure that more needs to be added than just write code, test, implement
[17:10] <newz2000> well, what is needed from you is leadership
[17:10] <newz2000> so set dates, write emails, do follow up
[17:10] <cjohnston> right...
[17:12] <newz2000> I am at your disposal, so think of me as a resource
[17:13] <cjohnston> Should I leave the technical path until the meeting with the people interested and let them help determine what it should be?
[17:14] <newz2000> I would start like this...
[17:14] <newz2000> let's focus on the technical path first, getting it started
[17:14] <newz2000> then once it's rolling start the template and then the localization
[17:14] <cjohnston> Ok..
[17:14] <newz2000> we'll need cooperation between teams for that
[17:15] <newz2000> A good way to start would be to have a kick-off email to start discussions
[17:15] <newz2000> give an overview of the project, ask for specific help, and then start the planning for a meeting
[17:18] <cjohnston> is there a preferred language for this? js... anything else?
[17:18] <newz2000> js, definitely
[17:19] <cjohnston> completely in js?
[17:20] <newz2000> probably
[17:20] <cjohnston> ok..
[17:20] <cjohnston> I'll start writing the email now.. but not going to send out until I get back from vacation.
[17:20] <newz2000> ok
[17:21] <cjohnston> were you going to still send an email announcing the project and me as the leader? i think you had mentioned that at one point
[17:23] <newz2000> oh yeah, I can do that
[17:24] <newz2000> I will do that
[17:24] <newz2000> when do you come back from vacation?
[17:24] <cjohnston> Next Saturday.. the 13th is when I actually come back
[17:25]  * newz2000 checks his cal
[17:26] <newz2000> I will probably announce a week from tomorrow then
[17:26] <cjohnston> okie
[17:26] <cjohnston> and I'll shoot for the day after I get abck for my email
[17:26] <newz2000> ok
[17:27] <newz2000> Should we adjourn our meeting?
[17:27] <cjohnston> sure. :-)
[17:27] <newz2000> ok
[17:31]  * newz2000 goes to take a nap
[17:32] <cjohnston> ooo
[17:32] <cjohnston> that sounds fun
[17:32] <cjohnston> enjoy
[18:29] <cjohnston> the wiki is driving me nut
[18:29] <cjohnston> nuts
[19:13] <jamalta> hi there!
[19:14] <cjohnston> hey jamalta
[19:14] <cjohnston> newz2000: i forwarded you an email from jamalta... :-)
[19:15] <jamalta> just to confirm, ubuntu.com is on drupal, right?