[01:11] <necrodearia> If upon logging into user desktop environment selecting xfce, a user is brought back to gui login screen due to xfce not working, what log files are there to determine what is wrong?
[01:54] <tamran> I have a question regarding the panel.  In gnome, you can right click the icon in the menu and click "add to panel".  Is there an easy way like this in xfce, or do I have to add a launcher for each item separately?
[02:11]  * likemindead loves the new look Ubuntu has.
[02:11] <likemindead> Any idea if Xubuntu will have a new look too?
[02:14] <pleia2> they are working on a new website and logo
[02:14] <pleia2> dunno about themes though
[02:15] <EndlessNameless> personally i think its current look is pretty cool.
[02:15] <EndlessNameless> and with karmic it got a little nicer looking.
[02:15] <likemindead> For sure.
[02:15] <likemindead> I'm still using Dusk. It's a bit darker, which I like.
[02:16] <likemindead> Albatross isn't too shabby, though.
[02:27] <tamran> does anyone know what "button fill" does in emerald theme manager?
[02:29] <likemindead> Haven't used Emerald in a looong time; sorry.
[02:51] <Presario2500> hey
[02:51] <Presario2500> why does XChat startup everytime I start up Xubuntu?
[02:52] <likemindead> Is it in your startup sessions settings?
[02:52] <Presario2500> how do I check?
[02:52] <likemindead> Settings --> Sessions & Startup
[02:53] <Presario2500> under the "application autostart" tab?
[02:53] <likemindead> Sure.
[02:54] <likemindead> Yeah. I had to check.
[02:54] <Presario2500> no, I don't even see it in there
[02:54] <likemindead> Back on the General tab, is "Automatically save sessions on logout" checked?
[02:54] <likemindead> That'll do it to. I always uncheck that one.
[02:54] <Presario2500> no, its not checked
[02:55] <likemindead> Hmm... :-\
[02:55] <likemindead> Underpants Gnomes?
[02:55] <Presario2500> :-\
[02:55] <Presario2500> whats that mean?
[02:55] <Presario2500> I only been using Xubuntu like 1 week
[02:55] <likemindead> I'm sure there's a simple answer, but I'm not sure what it is.
[02:56] <Presario2500> :-(
[02:56] <Presario2500> what should I do?
[02:56] <likemindead> Close it when it opens? ;-)
[02:56] <likemindead> Try posting your query on (after first searching) ubuntuforums.org !
[02:57] <likemindead> Great place, that.
[02:57] <Presario2500> ok i'll try that thanks
[04:04] <kj4> hello all
[09:36] <Balsaq> good morning Executive Code Administrators.
[09:46] <knome> hey Balsaq
[09:46] <Balsaq> howdy knome
[09:46] <knome> Balsaq, i pretty much might be interested in http://open.knome.fi/2010/03/03/new-ubuntu-branding/
[09:46] <knome> *s/i/you/
[09:46] <Balsaq> hmmm checking it out
[09:47] <Sysi> so mac
[09:48] <knome> Sysi, that's only the ubuntu desktop theme they are showing off there.
[09:48] <Sysi> i know
[09:49] <Sysi> i trust that you wouldn't do anything like that :)
[09:49] <Balsaq> i see the new xubuntu lettring and mouse icon
[09:49] <knome> probably not
[09:49] <Sysi> even though that's better than original os x
[09:52] <Sysi> i'd like to do gtk theme myself, hopefully there's tutorial somewhere
[09:53] <Balsaq> hmmm lef ta comment and it says i have to enable java?
[09:53] <knome> Balsaq, wait!
[09:53] <knome> Balsaq, ;)
[09:54] <Balsaq> did it go thru?
[09:54] <knome> forgot to disable the plugin...
[09:54] <knome> let me see ;)
[09:54] <Balsaq> oh
[09:54] <Balsaq> hoefully it sort of stays on hold and then come thru
[09:54] <knome> Balsaq, approved
[09:54] <Balsaq> cool is it in?
[09:54] <Balsaq> ill go back
[09:55] <Balsaq> yee hah
[09:55] <Balsaq> i am famous!
[09:55] <knome> Balsaq, did you have a link to the mouse you draw again?
[09:55] <knome> i can present that for our team + the design team
[09:55] <Balsaq> ummm i have it on you tube...but i will have to go in and make it public again
[09:56] <knome> we are still considering what would the final logo be like :)
[09:56] <Balsaq> cool
[09:57] <Balsaq> opps mispelled...
[09:57] <Balsaq> can i fix it?
[09:58] <knome> i can
[09:58] <knome> ;)
[09:59] <Balsaq> cool...ialways try to type too fast
[09:59] <knome> Balsaq, is it fine now?
[10:00] <Balsaq> whew perfect thanks
[10:01] <Balsaq> are they gonna do some cool xubuntu PC stickers?
[10:01] <knome> nope.
[10:01] <knome> we have to print those ourselves
[10:01] <knome> or find a partner
[10:02] <Balsaq> ubuntu does it right?
[10:02] <Balsaq> cause they sent me some with my 1st distro
[10:02] <knome> yup. ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu get the stuff, afaik
[10:03] <Balsaq> there are more buntus in the works now huh..are you involved in any of them?
[10:03]  * Psilocybin_Elf wants some Xubuntu stickers!!!
[10:03] <Balsaq> me too...
[10:04] <knome> not exactly, but i pretty much collaborated with the guys from the other derivatives in london
[10:04] <Psilocybin_Elf> Might get some Xubuntu tee-shirts printed off...
[10:04] <Balsaq> i wonder what is fast xubuntu or lubuntu
[10:04] <Balsaq> faster*
[10:04] <Psilocybin_Elf> Lubuntu uses LXDE or BlackBox?
[10:04] <knome> lubuntu MIGHT be faster, but xubuntu has more features
[10:04] <knome> Psilocybin_Elf, lxde
[10:04] <Balsaq> ahhh
[10:04] <Psilocybin_Elf> I don't like the look of Lxde
[10:05] <Balsaq> might try it on my sub 1 gig processors
[10:05] <Balsaq> i like xubuntu on my 1 gig and up units
[10:05] <Psilocybin_Elf> I'm hopefully gonna install Xubuntu on my bro's 2GB laptop
[10:05] <Balsaq> xubuntu is my favorite no doubt
[10:05]  * Psilocybin_Elf nods.
[10:05]  * Psilocybin_Elf loves XFCE.
[10:05] <Balsaq> whoah 2 gig on xubuntu...rocket
[10:06] <Psilocybin_Elf> I know
[10:06] <Psilocybin_Elf> I'm looking foward to testing it
[10:06] <Psilocybin_Elf> He has Vista on there atm
[10:06] <Balsaq> i have it on a 2.4 512 rdram and it flies
[10:06] <Sysi> i have xubuntu with 2g, i'm gonna have more if i install windows
[10:07] <Psilocybin_Elf> I'm on 470MB RAM
[10:07] <Psilocybin_Elf> Nice & breezy for most tasks
[10:07] <Balsaq> wonder if  i could put it beside my w7 on my new lapper without messin it up
[10:07] <Psilocybin_Elf> Is it hard to partition it with W7?
[10:08] <Balsaq> if i got it on my laptop it would be running oon an i5 dual core HT turbo with 4 gig ddr3 ram!
[10:08] <Sysi> win-guy said it is, i say it isn't
[10:08] <Balsaq> i'd go for it if someone stood bye for when i get stuck
[10:09] <Balsaq> but i got a feeling w7 will mess it all up
[10:09] <Psilocybin_Elf> Holy drok!
[10:09] <Psilocybin_Elf> 4GB!
[10:10] <Balsaq> can you imagine it
[10:10] <Balsaq> the computer would prolly blow up!
[10:10] <Balsaq> :)
[10:12]  * Psilocybin_Elf grins! :-D
[10:12] <Psilocybin_Elf> Uber-fast!
[10:12] <Psilocybin_Elf> The way computers should be...
[10:12] <Psilocybin_Elf> without all that bloatware baggage
[10:13] <Balsaq> i know
[10:13] <Balsaq> i would like start a compay that builds laptops that feature xubuntu
[10:14]  * Psilocybin_Elf nods.
[10:15] <Psilocybin_Elf> Awesome idea!
[10:15] <Balsaq> it would be cool because all you would need would be a 50.00 dollar intel 5200 cpu and a gig or 2 of inexpensive ram and it would sail
[10:15] <Psilocybin_Elf> With Flash, codecs, etc pre-installed
[10:15] <Balsaq> yup
[10:15] <Psilocybin_Elf> That would blow people's minds away!
[10:15] <Psilocybin_Elf> I would buy one fo sure!!!
[10:15] <Balsaq> you see...like the OS itself,,,make em lean and mean.
[10:15] <Psilocybin_Elf> Hehehe
[10:15] <Psilocybin_Elf> Yeap
[10:16] <Balsaq> like all the same size, all the same color...it make s them cost less...for example everyone is...say 15 inch screen
[10:16]  * Psilocybin_Elf nods.
[10:16] <Psilocybin_Elf> Mine is 15" monitor
[10:16] <Balsaq> no fat do everything for quality but also so it cost very little
[10:16] <Psilocybin_Elf> does me fine
[10:17]  * Psilocybin_Elf nods.
[10:17] <Balsaq> try to get them down to 300 bucks
[10:17] <Balsaq> mine is 15.6
[10:17] <Psilocybin_Elf> Is there a way to easily config dual monitors in Xubuntu?
[10:17] <Psilocybin_Elf> I read it's possible in Gnome
[10:19] <knome> Balsaq, the computer would pretty much not blow up ;)
[10:20] <Balsaq> it would simply take off...like a  UFO
[10:20] <knome> lol
[10:26] <knome> mind you, i have more than 4GB and my pc still sits in the floor
[10:27] <Psilocybin_Elf> Are you using Xubuntu on it?
[10:27] <knome> Psilocybin_Elf, of course.
[10:30] <Balsaq> i have one entire desktop dedicated to xubuntu and a 19 inch monitor hp printer...hard wired wit DSL.
[10:32] <knome> i have a legion of computers dedicated to xubuntu :P
[10:40] <Balsaq> initially, i was trying distro after distro..must of had 7-8 going, now i realize i am better off concentrationg on my 3 favorites.
[10:40]  * knome goes watching monty python
[10:41] <Balsaq> later
[10:53] <Psilocybin_Elf> Xubuntu all the way!
[11:42] <Psilocybin_Elf> Hehe: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Xubuntu
[11:42] <Psilocybin_Elf> 'Xfce is really just GNOME on crack.'
[12:24] <deathcannon> "But, hey, it's the good kind of crack, so no foul there."
[14:05] <Balsaq> its a long way.....
[14:05] <Balsaq> to the top.....
[14:05] <Balsaq> if you wanna rock-n-roll !!!
[17:36] <subspider> hello charlie-tca
[17:37] <subspider> can you help me takeing out amd water mark??
[17:37] <charlie-tca> No, I don't know how to do that.
[17:38] <charlie-tca> Haven't you given up on that idea yet?
[17:44] <subspider> no charlie-tca it's irritating having that thing on the corner
[17:56] <Kangarooo> how can i know whats the proccess name in menu. i installed programm but i dont know whats its process name. im looking in xfce-applications.menu and theres <Name>Development</Name>        <Directory>xfce-development.directory</Directory>        <Include>           <Category>Development</Category>
[18:06] <charlie-tca> You can look in /usr/share/applications and see if it is there.
[18:06] <charlie-tca> The name will be the one listed after exec=
[18:10] <knome> Kangarooo, which app did you install?
[18:14] <Kangarooo> dogtail but to report correct report i need to make ubuntu-bug to correct process
[18:14] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-bug dogtail
[18:16] <Kangarooo> i installed from Add/Remove so i wasnt able to see correct name
[18:16] <Kangarooo> and ubuntu-bug dogtail shows Package dogtail does not exist
[18:16] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: it is just "ubuntu-bug SOURCE_PACKAGE"
[18:16] <charlie-tca> hmmm
[18:17] <charlie-tca> What was the old bug number again?
[18:17] <knome> charlie-tca, bug #1
[18:17] <charlie-tca> no
[18:17] <knome> #2?
[18:17] <knome> ;)
[18:17] <Kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dogtail/+bug/530064
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[18:17] <charlie-tca> let me look a minute
[18:18] <charlie-tca> That's because dogtail doesn't exist in 9.10
[18:19] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: why does it tell me dogtail doesn't exist when the package report shows it should be dogtail 0.6.1-3ubuntu3 ?
[18:20] <Kangarooo> Exec=dogtail-sniff but strange that its installed for me and also strange that tab didnt show possible full names
[18:20] <Kangarooo> in terminal
[18:21] <charlie-tca> I agree. The package does exist
[18:21] <Kangarooo> but my terminal thinks its not installed with tab it doesnt shows possible names
[18:22] <Kangarooo> ops. when using ubuntu-bug dogt tab. when just dogt tab it shows posibilities
[18:22] <charlie-tca> hmmm
[18:23] <charlie-tca> try using ubuntu-bug python-dogtail
[18:23] <Kangarooo> well thats a new bug. or 2 couse ubuntu-bug shows package not
[18:23] <faron> hllo evrybody.good morn to you all
[18:23] <charlie-tca> did it work?
[18:23] <knome> good morning faron
[18:23] <Kangarooo> yes it work. something.
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Good, what number?
[18:24] <faron> hey there knome ol buddy how ar ya ?
[18:24] <Kangarooo> i remember that 1year ago it was called python-dogtail
[18:24] <knome> faron, i'm fine, eating buns
[18:24] <faron> and charlie
[18:24] <faron> and kanga too the gangs al;l herre
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Yeah, Kangarooo. That is the binary, instead of the source package
[18:24] <Kangarooo> 0.6.1-3ubuntu3
[18:24] <faron> who's buns ? ha ha
[18:24] <faron> I know stupid joke
[18:25] <Kangarooo> ubuntu-bugs report also opened in FF
[18:25] <Kangarooo> wait ill put report to same bug
[18:25] <charlie-tca> That is right. Let me know the bug number, I don't know when they will fix it, though. It looks like dogtail is low on the list of priorities.
[18:26] <faron> Okay.my issue of the day... I would like to go thu  my sys somehow maybe via syn & see whts instll on this & remove evrything not needed..............
[18:26] <Kangarooo> loo what i just found about dogtail http://lwn.net/Articles/356280/
[18:26] <Kangarooo> 0.7 versin
[18:28] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: i choose the same bug report and files didnt added.
[18:28] <faron> a friend installed this OS & cpu & mem use is just too high Is there  a list of things somewhere for xubuntu that is installed by default that is absolutely needed & maybe a list of things somewhere that I could safely remove ?
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Yeah, you need to use ubuntu-bug python-dogtail 530064 to get them to add themselves
[18:29] <Kangarooo> and heres what terminal showing me. (firefox:6629): GLib-WARNING **: g_set_prgname() called multiple times (firefox:6629): atk-bridge-WARNING **: AT_SPI_REGISTRY was not started at session startup. (firefox:6629): atk-bridge-WARNING **: IOR not set. (firefox:6629): atk-bridge-WARNING **: Could not locate registry
[18:29] <faron> hope that wasn't too long ..sorry abou that all
[18:29] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: Not sure what that is.
[18:29] <charlie-tca> will you try the dogtail thing again with the bug number after the package?
[18:30] <Kangarooo> its from executing ubunt-bug python-dogtail
[18:30] <charlie-tca> Without the number, it will make a new report
[18:33] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: Now I can forward the dogtail bugs to upstream. Thank you very much
[18:36] <Kangarooo> ubuntu-bug python-dogtail 530064 not working  terminal give me Usage: /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug <pid>|<symptom name>|<package name>|<program path>|<.crash file>
[18:36] <Kangarooo> i was recording screen for bug report about launchpad..
[18:40] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: ubuntu-bug python-dogtail 530064 not working
[18:40] <charlie-tca> I see. and the bug tracker at fedora won't let me in
[18:41] <Kangarooo> maybe i ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug ?
[18:41] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:44] <charlie-tca> I am asking in #dogtail about the bugs
[18:46] <Kangarooo> ok ill now have small party ill sometimes come back to pc.. so whats ubuntu-bug python-dogtail 530064 its maybe wrong command whitch is corect?
[18:55] <charlie-tca> Okay. I will try to get something done with dogtail for you
[20:11] <faron> Ok,let me try this 1 mo time fr now...{cnt find ansr nywhere}... why when I click notes plugin for xfce4 desktop, to open it up, is the pro opening up  my 3 seperate notes that I have created ALONG WITH 5 {YES,FIVE} othr {blank/empty} instances of this pro as well ?? Does NYBDDY have a clue ???
[20:13] <charlie-tca> Why would it do that? did you by chance close a desktop session with all those notes open?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu, faron ?
[20:14] <faron> wait.........
[20:14] <faron> 804 or 810 xubuntu........
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Well... how about lsb_release -a in a terminal?
[20:15] <faron> charlie.....im thinking that this may be an issue with that FF update I interrupted & screwed my whole OS with
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: I got about three more ways to try to get bugs to collect data, but they aren't working for that bug
[20:15] <charlie-tca> hmm
[20:16] <faron> So,yes,its possible that there were some notes open  when a session abruptly ended
[20:17] <faron> okay Char one moment for re;ease
[20:17] <faron> 804 hardy
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Close them all, and save session when you shut down or restart.
[20:20] <charlie-tca> If you close all of them, you should be able to click it again, and not have all of them open again
[20:21] <faron> I'm pretty sure but,I think I always "save session"
[20:21] <faron> weird
[20:24] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:24] <francisco> how I can dissapear the panel whe i maximize a window?
[20:25] <faron> francisco.I think you want auto hide
[20:27] <francisco> faro: ok, but when there aren't maximized windows, i want the panel appeared
[20:27] <faron> ahhh sorry
[20:28] <faron> not sure about that one
[20:28] <faron> darn I thought I could help someone
[20:28] <charlie-tca> francisco: no way in Xubuntu that I know of
[20:29] <charlie-tca> You could use F11 for full-screen and hide the panels
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Hit F11 again to see the desktop and panels
[20:29]  * charlie-tca gives faron a hug for trying
[20:30] <francisco> charlie-tca: ok, thanks
[20:30] <faron> Alright ! Thanks Charlie
[20:36] <francisco> i think maybe i can use a dock
[20:36] <francisco> but they are a bit heavy for my ram memory
[20:41] <jst> Does anyone have a list of changes that will be implemented in Xubuntu 10.4?
[21:46] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: u have lucid installed? if yes could u try hibernate? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/353761
[21:48] <charlie-tca> It is a desktop machine and I have no problem with hibernate on it
[21:49] <charlie-tca> He did give you a bad disk to use for lucid, though. Alpha 1 is very old
[21:50] <charlie-tca> I will comment on the bug
[21:54] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: take a look
[21:55] <charlie-tca> I can't reproduce this issue for you. Mine does hibernate in lucid and karmic
[21:56]  * charlie-tca would be really impressed if anyone gets alpha1 to hibernate properly
[21:57] <Kangarooo> ah yes. about reproduce. couse it has some problem with my hardware.. not urs.
[21:57] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: I believe hibernate is still broken in the SIS video
[21:57] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:58] <charlie-tca> I think there were other reports about it lucid, but they may have been just messages I saw
[21:58] <Kangarooo> i forgot. just wanted to that bug faster be tested if still exists. ok well ill think about putting daily version. whats difference between daily and usual iso from website + update ?
[21:59] <charlie-tca> nothing
[21:59] <charlie-tca> It is just the live cd that matters.
[21:59] <charlie-tca> If you have it installed, it is the same
[21:59] <charlie-tca> Or, if you rsync or zsync the images
[22:00] <Kangarooo> but i have the update and still hibernate not working. so why should then itry daily if i have update? its the same then..
[22:00] <charlie-tca> I download the first week the new version is available, and rsync everyday after that
[22:00] <charlie-tca> yes. Just say on the bug report, it is still failing in lucid
[22:04] <Kangarooo> ouh wait. i just confused. lucid is 9.10 yes?
[22:05] <Kangarooo> ah lucid is 10.04
[22:06] <Kangarooo> wait. im now really confused about something. i have 9.10 u have 10.04 he wanted to hibernate be tested on my comp with 10.04 daily version?
[22:15] <charlie-tca> Yup
[22:16] <charlie-tca> You can say you are unable to test the development version at this time.
[22:16] <charlie-tca> Good news! I was able to reproduce your bug with dogtail finally
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Now I will send it upstream to the developers
[22:22] <Kangarooo> yes i just happend to be in that page again 1 min ago
[22:22] <charlie-tca> dogtail?
[22:22] <Kangarooo> yes yes i saw 3 min again ur post
[22:23] <charlie-tca> And you thought I was just trying to make you angry, huh/
[22:23] <Kangarooo> i opend ur log file and dont understand how from that something can be enought info for bug to be confimed. :)
[22:24] <charlie-tca> The entries about AT-SPI are the dogtail bug. They tell the developer that it did not open and why
[22:24] <Kangarooo> i could ask u : and u thought i was lying? :)
[22:26] <Kangarooo> also i was already like wtf everywhere i post bugs everywhere again asking for how it should work. then i started seeing who is writing. one and the same Charlie. :)
[22:26] <charlie-tca> No, I just can't get it fixed with out the developers knowing how to
[22:27] <charlie-tca> It is all part of trying to get the bug worked
[22:27] <charlie-tca> Thatś me! Charlie... Just trying to help where I can
[22:27] <Kangarooo> yes later i opened that Charlies profile :)
[22:28] <charlie-tca> I can't program, but I can get bugs ready to be worked on
[22:29] <Kangarooo> but i think developer should know how his programm is working and if someone says its not working he should know what could possibly not work or he doesnt know possible not working points then he should try himself that programm on platform i have report its not working. i understand in that hibernate bug. there its not working couse hardware not fully programmed.
[22:30] <Kangarooo> ouh just some dragracer in snow made drift circles in snowed crossroad :)
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Not always. There are too things they work on. mr_pouit, for example, works on everything for Xubuntu. It is hard for him to know everything that breaks for everybody
[22:31] <charlie-tca> That hibernate thing is a kernel bug. They have to fix it for each video card.
[22:31] <charlie-tca> :-)
[22:33] <Kangarooo> omg. but also how its connected to video card? i think its just ram and virtual ram(swap) put to harddrive one file. only memory.
[22:33] <charlie-tca> How much time did we spend on the dogtail bug? If the developer of Xubuntu where it happened had to spend that many hours trying to find what happened, he loses that many hours he could make lucid good.
[22:34] <charlie-tca> I don't understand everything hibernate is connected to, I just know each video card has to be fixed to work in the kernel
[22:34] <Kangarooo> 3h ago i was starting to think theese bug reports taking too much time. i also made some videos for some bugs. in one week installed 6 xubuntus 9.10 and found many bugs.
[22:34] <Kangarooo> again that dragracer making drift circles
[22:34] <charlie-tca> I let the developers worry about that. I just get the bug ready for them to fix.
[22:34] <charlie-tca> I like watching them guys in the snow :-)
[22:36] <Kangarooo> with one my colleague i was going to dinner with his car and when it was winter he all the time was making car swing to left to right and never crashed opposite as i was thinking that its gonna happen any second
[23:14] <Kangarooo> why google-chrome is not in /usr/share/applications ?
[23:18] <charlie-tca> google did not put it there, they need to write the .desktop file to have it in that directory
[23:19] <Kangarooo> i think that making dynamic menu from .desktop files from /usr/share/applications is too time consuming that should be changed. so its xfce made it like that.
[23:20] <charlie-tca> That is according the freedesktop.org standards
[23:29] <Kangarooo> yeah ok i looked a liitle of that spec. well its changable also. maybe even easyer if better solution is developed first and then tryg to get it as standart. ah im going to sleep
[23:31] <charlie-tca> Good night