[00:05] I don't know of it's a good idea, but the rebranding could actually be an opportunity for Kubuntu to match Ubuntu colors, which I always thought made some sense [00:05] an aubergine tinted Air could look good [00:08] it will look good getting replaced right away :p === jonathan__ is now known as jjesse === jonathan_ is now known as jjesse [02:13] * NCommander builds a full kdebindings on ARM and has yet to get a segfault ... [02:13] and I'm at 81% ... [02:16] NCommander: What did you change? [02:17] Or are you just playing roulette? [02:18] persia: the annoying bit? Nothing. [02:18] persia: this happened before when I tried to debug it and then I pounded retry and it blew up again, then I forgot about it === gatlinAFK is now known as gatlin [03:27] Anyone happen to know which package does the compositing for kwin desktop effects? A user in #ubuntu-devel claims that glxinfo is required, which slipped out of main, which, if true, probably indicates a missing recommends (unless this was intentional). [03:29] Sarvatt: I just asked your question a moment ago. [03:30] * genii waits for NCommander's ARM to blow up extravangtly and spectacularly [03:30] genii: not yet :-) [03:30] Cool === gatlin is now known as gatlinAFK [04:08] persia: what do you mean "does the compositing"? kwin does its own compositing if i understand it correctly [04:09] yuriy: Does kwin expect to find glxinfo? [04:09] ah is that the question. i don't see why it would, but i have no idea [04:11] hmm nepomuk is using over a gig of ram, plus almost 500M for dbus-daemon :-\ [04:13] Yeah. If something *does* want glxinfo, it ought be on the CD. [04:18] KWin definitely does not need glxinfo to do compositing [04:19] Sarvatt: With that, please file a bug about your issue. [04:19] JontheEchidna: Thanks. [04:19] * JontheEchidna giggles wobbly windows sans-glxinfo ;-) [04:19] *jiggles [04:22] oh? will do then, I reproduced it 3 seperate boots where it wouldn't let me activate gl compositing until I installed mesa-utils and then it worked properly [04:35] yeah I grabbed the kdebase-workspace source and it shouldn't need mesa-utils, on the plus side I see I need to submit some patches to to kde to extend these hardcoded gl vendor strings to work for nouveau and gallium in general === gatlinAFK is now known as gatlin [06:42] ScottK: we spoke yesterday, but did you ever think of something for a novice with C++ experience to do? [06:42] I like Kubuntu, this is to be a labor of love [06:43] gatlin: JontheEchidna or apachelogger would be better people to ask. [06:43] alright, thank you very much === gatlin is now known as gatlinAFK [09:58] hey Riddell, good morning. I've just seen bug 180994, and I wanted to ask you: is there not a locale for 'sco'? Looking at http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=tree;f=localedata/locales;hb=HEAD, it seems there isn't. Do you know what the difference between Scots and Scots Gaeilc is (and which code corresponds to each one, if they are different)? [09:58] Launchpad bug 180994 in langpack-locales "Scots cannot be selected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180994 [09:58] My concern is that we seem to have a Scots team in Launchpad, and we're letting people translate into Scots, while these translations won't make it to the distro if there isn't a locale [10:32] debfx: Scots and Gaelic are entirely different languages, Scots is Germanic while Gaelic is Celtic [10:33] Scots is sco, not sure what Gaelic is [10:33] I don't think there's a locale for Scots [10:39] dpm: ^ [10:40] thanks Riddell, debfx [10:42] oh aye, wrong d [10:43] NCommander: how did kdebindings do? [10:44] Riddell: tuxdavis took over for me, and might have found the cause of the crash [10:47] hmm, another seg fault :( http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40195659/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdeedu_4%3A4.4.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [10:51] NCommander: well if you or tuxdavies want a new challenge, there it is [10:54] tuxdavis: ah, just the person for a new challenge http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40195659/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdeedu_4%3A4.4.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [10:55] can anyone here confirm that setting the date/time via systemsettings is NOT possible in 9.04 and kde 4.4.1? or the opposite? [10:56] i.e., there is no dialog asking for authentication, nothing. just does not work. [10:57] This is the same bug I found in kdebindings, and I believe NCommander found a similar one in another package, the issue resides in the toolchain and not kde [10:59] tuxdavis: did your inline fix work as a workaround? [11:00] no it still segfaulted [11:01] basically I first recompiled everything in debug mode, as it was the smokegen part of kdebindings that was segfaulting [11:01] Then I re-ran make with VERBOSE=1 to find the exact command, then ran it through gdb [11:01] When it crashes you can tell gdb to print two values [11:02] value1 = "print m_session->token_stream->tokens[0].kind" (should print just fine) [11:02] value2 = "print m_session->token_stream->kind(0)" (crashes with segfault) [11:03] the method for "kind" is "int kind(std::size_t i) {return tokens[i].kind;}" [11:04] Since a very similar bug is being found on the same architecture, we've successfully narrowed it down to a bug in the gcc/g++ toolchain [11:08] * Riddell hugs tuxdavis [11:15] Torch: works ok in lucid [11:17] Riddell: i'm suspecting sth is either broken after the update to kde 4.4 or on my machine regarding policykit on karmic. hence the question. [11:17] yes it'll be a policykit issue [11:17] "set date and time automatically" is broken on lucid however :( [11:17] Riddell: i have no authentication manager on the session bus. i think there should be one, right? [11:17] (my understanding of policykit is very limited still) [11:21] Torch: I'm not sure, policykit 0.9 works differently from 1.0, one has it on the system bus the other doesn't [11:22] Riddell: yeah, i just noticed lucid has the newer one. works for me too in my vm on lucid. [11:23] Riddell: do you happen to know which package on karmic has the auth agent for kde and/or where it's installed? [11:25] (i just noticed i was writing 9.04 in my introductory question... should have been 9.10) [11:27] kdelibs and kdebase-workspace both build-dep on polkit === Nightrose2 is now known as Nightrose === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [12:17] shtylman_: seen bug 532533 ? seems nasty [12:17] Launchpad bug 532533 in ubiquity "Kubuntu ubiquity crashed after selecting the language" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532533 [12:24] * Tonio_ is still woried about knetworkmanager... [12:25] anyone tried to right click on the icon ? crap window with empty lines [12:25] the same than with left click, but broken [12:25] am I the only one concerned ? [12:25] Tonio_: that's agateau's fault, he's working on solutions [12:25] Riddell: oh great then :) [12:26] Tonio_: one of which was to fix the plasma applet, we need testers for that [12:26] Riddell: I've contacted upstream about the vpn connections issues [12:26] Riddell: I can test... I just built a fresh svn snapshot, the plasma applet is completly broken [12:26] Riddell: where's agateau work ? [12:26] in svn :( [12:27] Riddell: but yeah, let knm in the background and use the plasma applet would be nice [12:27] Riddell: ah :'( [12:27] he's also working on a workaround for the systray applet I believe [12:27] Riddell: well fresh svn is probably more broken than the current package reguarding to the plasma applet... [12:27] I hope one day kde will have a decent network manager gui :) [12:28] Riddell: it's been kde isue forever as far as I can remember... [12:28] seems we're not that far right now anyway :) [12:28] yes, it's painful [12:28] Riddell: I'm also concerned about a hudge issue with oxygen window theme [12:29] what's that? [12:29] Riddell: I made several tests and I can confirm it reduced the global plasma/kde FPS from 50% at least.... [12:29] Riddell: it's not very visible with a powerfull network card, but with an old chip it's a nightmare [12:29] Riddell: I benched all window themes, oxygen is the guilty [12:30] Riddell: I know changing is out of purpose, but in my case for example [12:30] I have an intel 4500 HD whose driver is know for medium performances... [12:30] this is an issue for LTSP? [12:30] the all effects get slow and not smooth at all as soon as I go with the oxygen windeco [12:31] Riddell: sure it is [12:31] Riddell: but also it is an issue with modern laptops, most of them have the same chip than me [12:31] Tonio_: what's broken about the nm plasmoid? [12:31] mgraesslin may know more about window decorations [12:31] sebas: it won't display my connections [12:31] lemme show you [12:31] sebas: and "I !!! good to see you" [12:32] sebas: so first issue with current svn is I don't have an icon in the systray,but an empty space... [12:32] Tonio_: kquitapp knetworkmanager && sleep 3 && qdbus org.kde.kded /kded loadModule networkmanagement [12:32] Tonio_: yes we have a small performance issue in Oxygen window decoration due to the animations [12:32] you need to load the kded module [12:33] mgraesslin: yeah :( [12:33] mgraesslin: I don't get how can a window decoration theme cause this issue anyway... [12:33] Tonio_: unfortunately it's driver dependent, that's why we didn't notice in beta cycle [12:33] mgraesslin: any other one works like a charm here [12:33] Tonio_: http://vizzzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-iv-network-management/ and http://vizzzion.org/blog/2010/02/tokamak-finished/ for background and progress [12:33] it's the active/inactive animation [12:33] mgraesslin: yep that's true, with nvidia you won't get any trouble as I said [12:33] sebas: looking [12:34] in Aurorae it's even worse [12:34] mgraesslin: I personnaly don't use arora but rekonq so I can't tell about that [12:34] Tonio_: Aurorae is a windowdeco :-) [12:34] mgraesslin: but if all modern intel chips are concerned, which seems to be the case, that's a hudge problem for an LTS release... [12:35] mgraesslin: oh !! ;) [12:35] Tonio_: it's possible to disable the animations [12:35] that should improve the performance [12:35] it's unfortunately a hidden option [12:36] sebas: indeed that's better with your command :) [12:36] sebas: still no icon in the systray anyway, but that's really better :) [12:36] sebas: well I just lack a background on the icon it seems [12:37] sebas: very close to something very nice :) [12:38] sebas: one thing I noticed also is that it will let me create a vpn connection when I don't have any network-manager vpn plugin installed [12:39] sebas: is that to be reported as a bug, cause it'll cause a crash, or already in the todo list ? === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [12:46] what's different? [12:48] you get a load of ugly stipes down it I'm assuming it's to do with vm and screen size [12:49] sebas: so knetworkmanager or plasmoid for lucid? [12:49] davmor2: got a screenshot? [12:49] plasmoid IMO [12:49] sebas: oh really, that's not what I expected [12:49] we're || that close now :) [12:49] :) [12:49] Riddell: I'll grab you one [12:49] that's good to read [12:49] Actually, I think it's a good time to start testing, I just put in the last bigger UI changes last night [12:50] reminds me ... I still have uncommitted code === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [12:50] sebas: I'll perform many tests and will give you feedback [12:50] Tonio_: I haven't tested VPN yet, that's next on my list [12:50] sebas: good point is that I can test vpn pptp and openvpn too [12:51] Tonio_: are you able to make us a package to put in kubuntu experimental PPA? [12:51] sebas: from my experience, it works with pptp but crashes, and fails with openvon [12:51] Riddell: I have the package ready [12:51] Riddell: also do we want qdbusfornm ? [12:52] I think we do yes, we have it currently [12:52] gatlinAFK: things to do ... that entirely depends on if you want to do something in c++ only [12:52] Tonio_: able to throw your package into ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental ? [12:52] yeah but for some reas the patch won't apply, look like topgit is broken, misses apply paatches directive [12:52] Tonio_: even better, if you can give me backtraces, I can probably fix that [12:52] Riddell: I'll fix the package for the patch then and will push it [12:52] sebas: sure [12:52] I need to set up a VPN here actually [12:52] Tonio_: also, make sure to always grab the latest from svn [12:53] Riddell: no promiss to do that today anyway, I have a HUDGE work waiting for me on a broken active directory (thanks MS) [12:53] sebas: yep [12:53] cool :) [12:53] Riddell: as soon as sebas commits I'll try to get the package to work [12:53] just committed :> [12:53] and upload [12:53] sebas: perfect [12:57] Riddell: any idea how can I test debian patches with topgit ? [12:57] Riddell: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/kub-ins.png [12:57] aka like fakeroot debian/rules patches or something ? [12:57] * Tonio_ is tired of the 1 millions way to get patches to apply... and hates quilt [12:58] there are only too? :P [12:59] apachelogger: hum, not my opinion ;) [12:59] rules apply-patches or something and manually [12:59] aahhhh [12:59] my pet is super big on the screen [13:00] fakeroot debian/rules apply-patches doesn't work [13:00] then it was some other name [13:00] dh: Unknown sequence apply-patches [13:00] apachelogger: I read the tg2quilt.mk file and couldn't find anything [13:00] Tonio_: just do it manually via quilt? [13:00] apachelogger: and I can confirm the paatch won't apply during the build [13:01] apachelogger: shame on me but I don't know how to do so with debhelper 7 :) [13:01] apachelogger: any code example ? [13:01] there's no quilt.mk anymore... [13:01] ln -s debian/patches; quilt push -a [13:01] that has onthing to do with dh or cdbs :P [13:01] man quilt [13:02] oh, with above commands you shouldnt forget to rm patches again before building the package [13:02] apachelogger: I promisses myself I wouldnt't learn quilt [13:02] otherwise dpkg-source will start crying ^^ [13:02] apachelogger: have overengeneering apps :) [13:03] quilt isn't :P [13:03] you just expect too little of a patch system [13:03] which makes you shiver in light of quilt's mightyness ^^ [13:04] http://imagebin.ca/view/h7bNrx.html [13:05] Tonio_: I've no idea what topgit is [13:06] a patch queue manager [13:06] davmor2: wow, trippy [13:07] I'm assuming not right though [13:07] davmor2: don't know what causes that I'm afraid [13:07] the artwork hasn't changed since karmic there [13:07] I'll try on hw some point soon [13:08] Riddell: http://repo.or.cz/w/topgit.git?a=blob;f=README [13:08] Riddell: AFAIK topgit is like the superior implementatin of quilt, because it uses git and thus is capable of forming more relations than a rather crude quilt patch stack is able to offer [13:09] which probably makes sense if you do maintain your source in git ^^ [13:09] Riddell: and what's with the vmware/vbox logo in the bottom right of the desktop ;) [13:10] davmor2, Riddell: that problem looks graphics driver related [13:10] apachelogger: then how can I use it to apply patches ? [13:10] I have seen similar issues in alpha versions of karmic too [13:10] in vbox of course :) [13:10] apachelogger: if I build the currentl knm package it fails to apply... [13:10] apachelogger: yeah I'm assuming it's because it's on kvm [13:11] apachelogger: and I don't know how that works and have no time to learn about that ;) [13:11] Tonio_: quilt push applies a patch [13:11] quilt pop unapplies a patch [13:11] apachelogger: yeah but I don't whant to change the existing packaging :) [13:11] that is the beautiy of quilt [13:11] it is like a version control in itself [13:12] say you have one patch in your stack [13:12] so you run quilt push [13:12] that applies this very patch [13:12] but at the same time it does all sorts of tricky things so that you can go back [13:12] so once you run quilt pop [13:12] it will restore the original source again [13:12] building up on that you could run quilt push -a; quilt pop -a [13:13] to just for fun apply all patches and then unapply them again ^^ [13:14] apachelogger: yeah I know quilt is super powerfull, but well... I have enough in my mind with bzr, svn and git :) [13:14] I do not see the problem then :P [13:14] apachelogger: that said, the current knm package is supposed to apply patches according to rules, but it doesn't work [13:14] could you eventually give a little hepl so that I understand and learn a bit about it ? [13:14] Tonio_: does it not apply them or does it not apply them successfully? [13:14] not apply [13:15] apachelogger: I have this in the rules : [13:15] ifneq (,$(shell which tg)) [13:15] QUILT_PATCH_DIR := debian/patches [13:15] include /usr/share/topgit/tg2quilt.mk [13:15] endif [13:15] and it should work I have the binaries there... [13:15] but they won't apply in pbuilder... [13:15] is that a cdbs mk? [13:16] also why do you use topgit to begin with? [13:16] apachelogger: cause this is how the package is made :) [13:16] oh my, exam on introduction lecture to computer science in t-1h [13:17] apachelogger: I don't want to diff from debian on that point [13:17] ahhh [13:17] * apachelogger thinks that he can imagine who introduced that in the debian package ^^ === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [13:18] fun [13:18] there is no topgit stuff at all -.- [13:18] Tonio_: is that code from above coming from debian? [13:19] apachelogger: yeah [13:19] apachelogger: that's what I said when I compained about the "million ways to patch" [13:19] well [13:20] apachelogger: so the package is broken, fine... I'll fix [13:20] dh --with kde --with-quilt --dbg-package=plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbg $@ [13:20] just add that --with-quilt to the dh command [13:20] then you should be good [13:20] apachelogger: thanks [13:20] I have to learn a bit more about dh7 [13:21] well, that is particularly tricky because the package combines dh7 with source format 3 [13:21] and yet debian decides that using topgit is the way to go [13:21] to quote from 300: "this is madness" [13:22] apachelogger: changing the packaging standards every 6 month is bullshit... [13:22] apachelogger: leave for a couple of month and you don't know how to package... [13:22] we had debhelper 5, then 6, then cdbs, then dh7 [13:22] and the patch command, then dpatch, then patchsys, then quilt, then topgit [13:22] that is beacause cdbs was intermediate crap just because people could not wait for dh7 [13:22] that's crap [13:23] Tonio_: go tell debian [13:23] apachelogger: I love stability in the process, that helps a lot, even when the process is not the way to go :) [13:23] some people in their team constantly urge for the latest and greatest [13:23] apachelogger: linux was intermediate just because hurd was not ready :) [13:23] Tonio_: linux became useful [13:23] cdbs never was [13:24] just remember how long it took to track the target you would want to hook into if you need something very specific get done [13:24] apachelogger: yeah I know :) [13:24] also [13:24] that topgit crap there is uesless [13:24] apachelogger: I don't mind things changing, but too fast can be a problem sometimes :) [13:25] apachelogger: that's just my point [13:25] unless I misunderstand the included .mk it does not hook into the build [13:25] but adds the necessary targets so that you can do it [13:25] apachelogger: free software is not know for its goodproject management afaik :) [13:25] just like quilt.make [13:25] apachelogger: kk [13:34] I need a new laptop, but I dont know which one to buy ... any suggestions? [13:36] apachelogger: I'd say the lenovo x200 is the best whatyouget vs what you pay on the market :) [13:36] apachelogger: and it works perfect with linux [13:36] * Tonio_ owns a x301 which is just so lovelly [13:36] apachelogger: the x200 is almost the same thing, but half the price [13:36] hm [13:36] apachelogger: and can go up to 10 hours on battery... :) [13:37] goodness [13:37] 12 inches anyway... but with 1440x900 that's acceptable [13:37] apachelogger: it all depends on own much can you afford to pay... [13:38] <=2000 EUR [13:38] well the x200 is all for you then :) [13:38] x301 is way to expensive (3400 euros infrance, so I bought it in canada) [13:38] *nod* [13:39] apachelogger: maybe the price is different in your country anyway [13:39] * apachelogger gets student discount anyway and gets all whiny when something is too expensive so he gets all sorts of discounts ;) [13:39] it was only 2500 $cad in canada, which is much more acceptable :) [13:39] apachelogger: it's still expensive, but it deserves the price, really... [13:39] anyone got ideas for summer of code projects? [13:40] ideas is the least of problems [13:40] Riddell: get sflphone/kde to work [13:41] Tonio_: I really think about getting a laptop with SSD [13:41] Riddell: most of the code is there but it's not completly finished [13:41] or at least HDD + SSD [13:41] apachelogger: what's the most of the problems? [13:41] Riddell: the gnome sflphone is just a dream when it comes to sip or iax suppoer :) [13:41] apachelogger: I have 128 ssd here [13:41] Riddell: getting me drunk so that I come up with them ;) [13:41] apachelogger: it's frustrating cause I can't even see the ubuntu logo at boot, or just for 1/2 sec [13:41] apachelogger: it looks like a bug haha [13:42] ^^ [13:42] Riddell: wouldn't it be nice since we want a softphone for years ? [13:42] Riddell: I suppose we could just take some random people and do lowbudget usability analysis [13:42] Riddell: oh and samba support in kde, which I didn't have time to complete... lack of time for at least a year now... travelling too much :'( [13:43] right [13:43] though upstream has improved already [13:43] Tonio_: finishing sflphone sounds like something for the sflphone project to do [13:43] basically you need to install samba and kde-filsharing and then share setup in dolphin should work from what I saw [13:43] ehlo 4.4.1 is t3h fast, :) nice made guys [13:44] Riddell: make kubuntu boot faster, make kubuntu waste less memory, make qt-language-creator a useful tool [13:45] turn software-properties into policykitware and implement kauth support for KDE UI then make it a kcm and embedd into kpk [13:45] improve kpk UI to suite Kubuntus needs [13:46] kubuntu-software-center (in c++ pleaese) [13:46] ubuntu-one-kde (also in c++) [13:46] kpk needs a lot of love [13:46] janitor-kde [13:46] a lot meaning, a whole ui rewrite probably :( [13:46] basically port all the ubuntu stuff [13:47] seele: yeah :/ [13:48] Riddell: following up on the "make kubuntu waste less memory" -> improve performance of ubuntu/kubuntu apps by whatever means possible in python etc. [13:48] that probably also got a nice analysis touch to it, since one would first need to find out where resources get wasted to begin with ;) [13:49] create a kubuntu welcome widget thingy (since KDE seems stalled on that) [13:49] on a KDE POV: rewrite khelpcenter [13:50] I need to go [13:50] exam in 20 minutes [13:50] wish me luck! [13:51] good luck! [13:56] wow usa says opensource is against the intension of copyright protectet software [13:56] wth [13:57] Riddell: also getting tty is open when shutting down [13:59] http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/US-copyright-lobby-claims-free-software-undermines-respect-for-intellectual-property-940921.html [13:59] retarded [14:00] Note that's a lobbying group. [14:01] Riddell: Just read the backscroll. Sounds like we need a way to disable the windeco animations on Intel. [14:01] I don't even understand what window decoration animations it includes [14:02] I'm hoping mgraesslin will weigh in and explain the hidden options thingy. [14:02] ScottK: one moment, I don't know it by heart [14:03] mgraesslin: OK. [14:03] mgraesslin: semi-related, do you know why the blue stripes disappeared? means you can't distinguish active and inactive windows any more [14:03] * ScottK goes to dig up the netbook so he can try it once it's found. [14:03] that's a change in 4.4 [14:03] we have this new outline active window thing in Oxygen [14:04] ScottK: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226634#c7 [14:04] KDE bug 226634 in general "kwin has effects perfomance regression" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] [14:05] the stripes are AFAIK completely removed [14:05] ScottK: sure its a lobby group but its stupid to say such things or even take it serious [14:06] and piliticans mostly tajke care of lobbyists [14:07] mgraesslin: Thanks. Looking [14:07] ghostcube: That's true of most things lobbyists say on most topics. [14:08] They get paid to sell a point of view, not be sensible. [14:08] :) [14:09] mgraesslin: I have 4.4.1. Is the promised graphical way to turn off the animations available? [14:10] * mgraesslin looks at the UI and can't find an option [14:10] Ah, read the rest of the bug. [14:10] I'm using branch from today [14:11] if it's important for you I'm sure hpereira can come up with a patch [14:15] I notice a definite difference. [14:15] Riddell: I think we need to do something about this. [14:16] Riddell: uploading to experimental :) [14:16] mgraesslin: I think we need to have a way for users to control this using a gui. Editing config files is fine for me, but not my Dad. [14:16] I agree [14:16] It's particularly a big deal for netbooks. [14:16] ScottK: well I turned it off but i don't see anything different (didn't notice any animations to start with mind) [14:17] Riddell: I don't notice any different look, but it feels faster. [14:17] it's noticable when minimizing windows with effects turned on [14:17] the animation laggs [14:18] The netbooks we're aiming at all have Intel graphics and not lots of spare CPU, so for netbook, this should generally default off. [14:18] It'd be nice to get a way to default it on for people with appropriate graphics cards. [14:19] which is difficult [14:19] yes. [14:19] we had complains for almoast all vendors [14:19] a widget at srat asking if intel or another cardd ? [14:19] wont this be possible [14:19] I don't understand why we didn't see this issue during beta cycle [14:19] *start [14:20] sebas: I just uploaded on our experimental ppa, including your latest svn commits [14:24] apachelogger: just to finish about this patching stuff, what is very very strange to me is that according to you patches shouldn't apply... [14:25] apachelogger: I mean in the current knm package... [14:25] apachelogger: so technically it should ftbfs, unless the patches are applied in the diff.gz, which seems to be the case... [14:25] sebas: What's the advantage of switching to the plasmoid for knm? [14:25] apachelogger: that's why I got it wrong on how that worked [14:26] anyway, having patches applied in diff.gz is... pretty bad I must say :) [14:26] ScottK: nicer and sexier ? :) [14:27] Tonio_: I'll take working as the first priority. [14:27] ScottK: well imho none of them could be considered "working" right now... [14:28] ScottK: but yeah, if knetworkmanager works and not the plasmoid, no reason to switch [14:31] Switching from the plasmoid to the systray application was a good move that helped a lot. I think we should have a good reason to switch back. [14:32] mgraesslin: We can wait for 4.4.2 for the GUI to control the animations I think, so no distro patch needed, but we do need it in 4.4.2. [14:34] I just pinged hpereira to ask for news on the string freeze exception [14:35] ScottK: look at it, and you'll be enlightened [14:35] :) [14:35] nevertheless I would recommend to change the default settings for the netbook [14:35] sebas: Can it connect to hidden SSIDs? [14:35] mgraesslin: I will. [14:35] not yet, it's on my list though [14:35] good point, I was going to set up an accesspoint for this [14:36] That's the only thing I've missed in the systray app recently. [14:36]