[00:49] <nhandler> Is something wrong with staging ?
[00:51] <jpds> nhandler: Not as far as I can tell.
[00:52] <nhandler> I'm getting (Error ID: OOPS-1525S17)
[00:52] <nhandler> That is on https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/+login
[00:52] <jpds> nhandler: Use login.staging.launchpad.net as a workaround.
[01:00] <nhandler> jpds: Also, do you have any idea why I don't get redirected to the wiki page about using apport to file bugs when I go to the +filebug LP page for Ubuntu?
[01:00] <jpds> nhandler: Because you're a developer.
[01:00] <nhandler> jpds: Alright, so members of ~ubuntu-dev don't get redirected? That was my guess, but I wasn't sure
[01:00]  * nhandler has a user asking about this
[01:02] <micahg> nhandler: anyone in bugcontrol
[01:02] <micahg> which devs are by default
[01:02] <nhandler> micahg: Thanks
[01:05] <donri> does translations integrate automatically with bazaar?
[01:13] <wgrant> donri: No -- you have to click a few buttons to set up exports, and a few more for imports.
[01:13] <donri> do i have to leave the browser?
[01:15] <wgrant> donri: Sort of. See https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject/ImportingTemplates and https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject/Exports
[01:16] <donri> thanks
[02:12] <lamalex> Hi, i'm trying to update the bug watch on lp:206547, as the upstream has been marked a duplicate of another bug
[02:12] <lamalex> but i can't figure out how
[02:12] <lamalex> do i just mark that watch invalid, then add a new one/
[02:13] <wgrant> lamalex: Click the dropdown arrow on the left of the row, and enter the new bug URL.
[02:13] <lamalex> ah!
[02:13] <lamalex> thanks
[03:11] <magcius> I wish packages.ubuntu.com had a link to the +source thing on LP.
[03:11] <magcius> Speaking of which, is it possible to create your own thing like that? The +source thing
[03:23] <poolie> magcius: you can't create new patterns of namespace, no
[03:23] <poolie> magcius: good idea about that though
[03:23] <magcius> poolie: why is Ubuntu any more special than any other project?
[03:23] <poolie> linking from p.u.c; perhaps you should suggest that to whoever maintains it
[03:23] <poolie> ah
[03:24] <poolie> what question are you asking precisely?
[03:24] <magcius> If I were to ask somebody for a namespace, provided I had a big project (which I don't), would they hand it out?
[03:24] <magcius> I'm not asking any specific questions here, I'm poking at ethics.
[03:24] <poolie> ok
[03:24] <magcius> And I don't use Ubuntu, sorry, I don't know who maintains p.u.c, how would I tell? (and is that site dead?)
[03:25] <poolie> i thought you were asking "is the concept of a source package inside a distribution hardcoded" and yes, it is
[03:25] <poolie> however, it's not hardcoded that the distribution is Ubuntu
[03:25] <magcius> poolie: is it hardcoded as in "ubuntu/+source" is somewhere in the code?
[03:25] <wgrant> Ubuntu is a distribution, and +source on a distribution traverses to a source package within that distribution.
[03:25] <poolie> no
[03:26] <poolie> what wgrant said
[03:26] <poolie> magcius: there's a link to the maintainer from the p.u.c homepage
[03:26] <magcius> wgrant: okay, sorry, what exactly is a "distribution"?
[03:27] <wgrant> magcius: An operating system distribution. Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora are examples.
[03:28] <poolie> when you say "your own thing like that" what thing do you want?
[03:28] <magcius> wgrant: okay, that's what I was poking at.
[03:43] <MTecknology> Any of you use bazaar explorer with windows? I have my public/private key but I don't know how to use that with the branch
[03:44] <wgrant> MTecknology: #bzr might be more help.
[05:22] <rww> G'day. I've been waiting for a response to https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/102481 for about a week. Is anyone around who can help with it?
[05:28] <persia> rww: If nobody gets back to you from this query, try asking again when there is a help contact listed in the /topic
[05:29] <wgrant> LOSAs: ^^
[08:57] <soren> I have a code import that looks kind of odd..
[08:57] <soren> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~soren/libvirt/git-trunk
[08:58] <soren> So, it's run the import thing twice. Both were succesful, but I still don't see any revisions.
[08:58] <wgrant> soren: They were both partially successful.
[08:58] <wgrant> LP now does incremental imports.
[08:59] <wgrant> It imports 1000 revisions at a time until it has imported them all successfully, so as to schedule a bit more fairly and not run out of RAM.
[08:59] <soren> wgrant: So each succesful run means it's imported a thousand revisions?
[08:59] <wgrant> soren: Yes.
[08:59] <wgrant> So there are three runs to go.
[08:59] <soren> wgrant: That's good. Just one more run to go, then.
[08:59] <soren> Oh?
[08:59] <wgrant> soren: That's mainline revisions.
[08:59] <soren> Last I checked there were 2700 revisions or os.
[08:59] <wgrant> There are 4878 in the repository.
[08:59] <soren> Ah.
[09:00] <wgrant> 2100 or so must be in merges.
[09:00] <wgrant> If you look at the log you can see the total.
[09:00] <wgrant> (yes, this could be explained much better)
[09:00] <soren> Good, old fashioned patience solves a lot of things.
[09:01] <soren> Patience, unfortunately, does not go hand in hand with geeky curiosity.
[09:01] <wgrant> This work also means that Linux might finally finishing importing in a few weeks/months.
[09:01] <wgrant> Indeed not.
[09:02] <soren> wgrant: The first run says "finding revisions to fetch 1/6057".
[09:02] <wgrant> Yeah, I just realised that.
[09:02]  * soren applies the patience thing and goes to do $WORK things.
[09:03] <spiv> wgrant: I would guess that it fetches 1000 mainline revisions at a time
[09:04] <wgrant> spiv: Maybe. There was discussion a couple of weeks ago that that should probably not be the case.
[09:04] <wgrant> Maybe it was never changed.
[09:04] <spiv> wgrant: on the assumption that it's cheaper than calculating a sensible 1000 revision graph subset, and fetching 1000 mainline revs + whatever merged revs are linked is still going to make a reasonably small batch of work.
[09:05] <wgrant> spiv: It could easily throw it off by an order of magnitude, though.
[09:05] <spiv> It could.
[09:06] <spiv> But then one revision that changes 1000 files isn't likely to be as cheap to convert as one revision that changes 1 file either.
[09:06] <wgrant> True.
[09:06] <spiv> So it's not really worth the effort to calculate "1000 revisions" to any degree of precision.
[09:07] <spiv> Because it's not going to make much of a practical difference to fairness or workload.
[09:07] <wgrant> True too.
[09:10] <spiv> If you wanted a cheap-but-roughly-fair metric, basing it on bytes transferred would probably work better.
[09:10] <spiv> "Ok, that's 10M, stop there."
[09:11] <spiv> But it would take a bit of work to make bzrlib support that (especially if the IO is being done by another lib like dulwich), whereas "fetch another 1000 mainline revs" is pretty easy with bzr.
[09:31] <Lord-Readman> hopefully today will be the day the import que is nearly caute up
[09:34] <Lord-Readman> jtv, I am now 4761st place in the que
[09:34] <Lord-Readman> for my 2nd of March imports
[09:34] <jtv> Lord-Readman: and you were about 15,000th, IIRC
[09:35] <Lord-Readman> Lauchpad is only importing around 14 a minute
[09:36] <jtv> Lord-Readman: it can vary a lot
[09:56] <jelmer> wgrant, soren: it isn't 1000 mainline revisions but rather 1k revisions in total
[09:57] <wgrant> jelmer: That's what I initially thought. But how do you explain those numbers in the two logs?
[09:58] <jelmer> wgrant: the "finding revisions to fetch" step is walking over all of the objects in the received git pack
[10:09] <cjwatson> I'm trying to work out what's going on with a code import page
[10:10] <cjwatson> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/openssh/main is marked as failing; but it's just timing out intermittently, so it should be safe to try it again
[10:10] <cjwatson> I don't have my normal browser open at the moment, so I went to that page in w3m
[10:10] <cjwatson> and noticed a "Try Again" link, which is great; however, it requires JavaScript
[10:11] <cjwatson> to save booting up a full graphical browser, since I'm about to reboot to test something else anyway, I went to the same page on my N900
[10:11] <cjwatson> but there, I don't see the "Try Again" link; I looked at the page source and it just isn't there at all.  What's going on?
[10:11] <cjwatson> I'm logged into edge (as far as I can tell) on both browsers
[10:13] <danilos> cjwatson, is N900 using a webkit-based browser or gecko-based browser? (there are known problems with CSS for webkit, though usually only for standalone icons in empty SPANs)
[10:13] <danilos> cjwatson, oh, and if it's not in the source, then that's not it, sorry
[10:14] <cjwatson> right, it isn't
[10:14] <cjwatson> I think it's gecko
[10:16] <danilos> cjwatson, I see it in both firefox and epiphany (webkit), can you please file a bug if you are absolutely certain you are logged in, and if you want I can re-try it for you now
[10:16] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/388870/ - diff in page source
[10:17] <cjwatson> the whitespace differences might just be some kind of preprocessing in the browser, not too worried about that
[10:17] <cjwatson> argh, that shows not logged in
[10:18] <cjwatson> damnit, I swear I was
[10:18] <cjwatson> sorry, I was obviously just bitten by edge.launchpad.net vs. code.edge.launchpad.net or something
[10:18] <danilos> cjwatson, interesting things happen when you log in to just launchpad.net and it throws you onto edge.launchpad.net unlogged, perhaps that's it?
[10:19] <cjwatson> there we go, I got the try again link this time.  sorry to disturb
[10:19] <cjwatson> yes, that's possible
[10:19] <danilos> cjwatson, no worries, glad it's resolved
[12:14] <kirkland> how do i show all the packages a given team i'm on is subscribed to?
[12:18] <jml> kirkland, I don't think there is a way to do that at the moment.
[12:18] <kirkland> jml: really?
[12:19] <wgrant> kirkland: https://launchpad.net/~someteam/+packagereport
[12:19] <wgrant> One of the most unloved pages in the world.
[12:20] <wgrant> Er, +packages
[12:20] <wgrant> Erm, no, not that one.
[12:20] <wgrant> It's there /somewhere/.
[12:20] <kirkland> wgrant: hrm, that's not it
[12:20] <wgrant> +packagebugs
[12:20] <wgrant> That's it.
[12:20] <wgrant> It's a listing of all subscribed packages with bug counts.
[12:21] <kirkland> wgrant: perfect!
[12:21] <kirkland> wgrant: now let's get that linked to the team's main page :-)
[12:21] <kirkland> wgrant: cause i swear i've seen this before, but never can find it when i need it :-)
[12:21] <jml> kirkland, "Bugs" -> "Show package report"
[12:21] <wgrant> kirkland: It's linked from the bottom of the actions portlet on the Bugs page.
[12:21] <wgrant> Yeah, that.
[12:22] <jml> kirkland, it's the worst titled link I've seen on Launchpad for a while
[12:28] <kirkland> jml: eww, yeah, sure enough
[12:28] <kirkland> jml: there it is
[12:29] <kirkland> jml: actually clicked every link on that page, except for that one :-)
[12:29] <kirkland> jml: "List Subscribed Packages" was what i was looking for
[12:30] <kirkland> jml: you mind if i file a patch/bug with that change?
[12:30] <jml> kirkland, not at all.
[12:30] <jml> kirkland, in fact, I'd be honored.
[12:30] <kirkland> jml: :-)  i'm on it
[12:48] <Kangarooo> how can i make changes in some project?
[13:15] <kirkland> jml: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/532624
[13:15] <kirkland> jml: branch linked
[13:22] <james_w> leonardr: hi, does CHR do code import approvals?
[13:23] <leonardr> james_w, yes
[13:24] <james_w> leonardr: great, I'm working with someone who put some in the queue last night
[13:24] <james_w> no rush, I just wanted to ensure that they were part of a daily task and I didn't need to ask one of the code team
[13:25] <leonardr> james_w: what were the projects? i see 7 in the queue
[13:25] <james_w> probably those 7 then
[13:25] <james_w> his are all mono-relatd
[13:32] <leonardr> james_w: these are all separate projects? i see a top-level Changelog
[13:33] <rzr> hi
[13:33] <james_w> leonardr: there is one in each directory as well
[13:33] <james_w> I found it odd too
[13:33] <rzr> i am looking for the page that search for a package in existing ppa's , can you help  ?
[13:34] <leonardr> james_w: ok, i just want to make sure i'm not missing something
[13:34] <leonardr> rzr: i can help, but i don't know the answer right away, so it will take a while to find out
[13:34] <wgrant> rzr: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[13:34] <leonardr> wgrant: thanks
[13:35] <rzr> wgrant: thx
[13:35] <rzr> that's what i wanted :)
[13:36] <rzr> maybe a 00index file would help on ppa.l.n
[13:40] <leonardr> james_w: it really looks like all those modules are part of a single larger project--there are single top-level directories for 'tests' and 'build'
[13:41] <leonardr> can you ask the person who put them in the queue if they really want all these things imported as separate projects and not to import the top-level directory?
[13:42] <james_w> yeah, but there's a e.g. a configure.ac in http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc/trunk/uia2atk/UIAutomation/
[13:42] <james_w> I did
[13:42] <james_w> that's the way he said it should be done
[13:44] <leonardr> james_w: i approved one that was clearly a separate project. for the others, i'm going to wait for mwhudson or rockstar to show up and issue a ruling
[13:46] <james_w> thanks leonardr
[14:56] <jcastro> deryck: heh ok, so hiding fixed bugs it is!
[14:58] <deryck> jcastro, is that ok with you?  I didn't mean to overstep. :)  I assumed you weren't passionate about it since you didn't weigh in yet. :-)
[14:58] <deryck> and based on our convesation yesterday, too.
[15:01] <micahg> jcastro: deryck: BTW, wouldn't it be better for upstreams to show the patches in the packages themselves and not the bug patches?
[15:05] <deryck> micahg, yeah, that's the end goal certainly.  this was a first pass at making patch reporting and handling better on lp, working with what is there already.
[15:08] <micahg> deryck: ah, ok
[15:13] <jcastro> micahg: yeah it would be nice to do every distro series
[16:10] <leonardr> rockstar, i have a question about some pending code import requests
[16:10] <rockstar> leonardr, fire away.
[16:10] <leonardr> rockstar: check out the queue
[16:10] <rockstar> leonardr, can you give me a link?
[16:11] <leonardr> rockstar:https://code.edge.launchpad.net/+code-imports?field.status=NEW
[16:11] <rockstar> (I'm still kinda booting for the day)
[16:11] <leonardr> all 5 of those projects are subdirectories of http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/source/trunk/uia2atk/
[16:11] <rockstar> leonardr, okay.
[16:11] <leonardr> the person who submitted the imports says they are all separate projects
[16:12] <leonardr> i'm not sure if we would consider them separate projects given that there does seem to be some unifying code in the parent directory
[16:12] <rockstar> leonardr, approve 'em.
[16:12] <leonardr> ok
[16:13] <rockstar> leonardr, the reason we had the "only trunk" rule was because of cscvs.  Now that we're using bzr-svn by default, it's not really a problem, so we can be more lax about it.
[16:13] <leonardr> rockstar: ok, i'm going to change https://dev.launchpad.net/ReviewingCodeImports
[16:13] <leonardr> it thinks we don't have bzr-svn yet
[16:14] <leonardr> actually would you look that page over and tell me if i can change the 'mainline development branch' rule to say it only applies to cvs now?
[16:21] <rockstar> leonardr, I don't think we have made anything official yet, but when we do, we should update it.
[16:21] <leonardr> rockstar: ok
[17:06] <sitsofe> Could someone unsubscribe a user from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/490946 ?
[17:10] <BlackZ> sitsofe: why?
[17:10] <sitsofe> BlackZ: sounds like they don't know how to unsubscribe
[17:10] <BlackZ> sitsofe: which one?
[17:11] <sitsofe> BlackZ: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/490946/comments/5
[17:19] <BlackZ> sitsofe: he should unsubscribe him from xserver-xorg-video-intel, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[17:20] <BlackZ> he's subscribed to xserver-xorg-video-intel bug mail
[17:21] <intellectronica> sitsofe: maybe try to contact the user on irc or email and explain to him how to unsubscribe? that way he's less likely to end up subscribing to something by mistake again.
[17:22] <sitsofe> intellectronica: I'll just avoid writing a comment in that bug report :) I'm just trying to be helpful
[17:22] <BlackZ> sitsofe: yes, better so
[17:23] <sitsofe> BlackZ: fair enough. I don't have the time to chase it up further
[17:23] <intellectronica> sitsofe: yes, i'm not suggesting you reply by adding a comment to the bug. you can try and find him on irc on send him an email directly
[17:24] <BlackZ> yes, I quote intellectronica: those are the best ways to contact him and explain how to unsubscribe
[17:30] <M7S> Hi, I have a problem. I don't get any e-mail answer when I try to upload files to my ppa. dput tells me I've signed the files correctly, my sign key is added to my account and I've signed Ubuntu Code of Conduct.
[17:31] <bigjools> check that you're signing with the same key
[17:31] <M7S> Checked.
[17:31] <bigjools> what's your LP account name?
[17:31] <M7S> Matias Särs
[17:31] <M7S> msevens
[17:31] <bigjools> ok let me check the logs
[17:31] <bigjools> what time did you upload?
[17:32] <M7S> last one, just a couple of minutes ago, first one about ten hours ago.
[17:32] <bigjools> an never mind I found it
[17:33] <bigjools> M7S: something went bang in the upload processor unfortunately, I need to dig deeper
[17:34] <M7S> ok
[17:37] <M7S> If it makes any difference, I'm far from certain that the build should be succesful. I'm very new to packaging, I just tried to put something together, since the guy who usually maintains the ppa for me has disappeared.
[17:38] <bigjools> well the upload process should still not crash :)
[17:39] <M7S> not even if you leave the debian/rules file empty, i hope? ;)
[17:42] <bigjools> heh
[17:59] <bigjools> M7S: "Unable to find mandatory field 'binary' in the changes file."
[18:08] <M7S> bigjools: Ok, what does that mean?
[18:37] <Tarciso>  /j #ubuntu-marketing
[19:43] <davmor2> hey guys any idea why I can't add or assign a bug to light-themes?
[19:46] <ripps> Does anybody know if the new light-themes have development branch in Launchpad?
[19:48] <davmor2> ripps: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes they got this
[19:49] <ripps> davmor2: isn't that just a package branch, not a development, or is ubuntu doing them as one and the same?
[19:49] <davmor2> ripps: no idea
[21:16] <stani> how can i unsubscribe a team from bug reports?
[21:20] <stani> never mind i found it already
[21:32] <Andre_Gondim> (Error ID: OOPS-1525L3243) when I try https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+templates
[21:35] <stani> how can i give other people permissions to change priority of bugs without creating a team?
[21:35] <Lord-Readman> Hello
[21:35] <Lord-Readman> what server is launchpad on? one? more than one?
[21:35] <Lord-Readman> who can give details?
[21:57] <BlackZ> stani: the proprity of the bugs are managed by the ubuntu-bugcontrol team, for know how to get involved, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[21:59] <BlackZ> stani: if you're already member of ubuntu-bugcontrol team you can't give permission to other people for change the bugs priority, btw read the page I have linked
[21:59] <BlackZ> you can't give permission to other people for change the bugs priority <- if you aren't admin
[22:00] <BlackZ> Lord-Readman: why do you want to know this?
[22:01] <Lord-Readman> Because of a large import my import has been in a que for 4 whole days
[22:01] <Lord-Readman> and its still not done, so i just wanted to know how launchpad ran, what it ran on, if its just one box, and where its hosted, depending on this information, I could then go further, make a donation, make a donation of hardware etc etc
[22:02] <BlackZ> Lord-Readman: launchpad is offered by canonical, and it's runned under various servers
[22:32] <wgrant> Lord-Readman: Launchpad runs on quite a number of servers.
[22:33] <wgrant> But the translations queue was huge.
[22:35] <Kangarooo> hello what time its now in ur place? i have many questions so if its not morning or day then ill ask after 10h
[22:37] <wgrant> Kangarooo: Launchpad developers are all over the world.
[22:38] <Kangarooo> ok well. then how can i make changes in some project? theres https://launchpad.net/pastebinit and i want to change its help files witch comes from pastebinit -h . how can i connect to launchpad to start changing that? im totally newb but what ill learn ill make video and teach others in my loco team witch later ill make very active
[22:42] <Kangarooo> ok so i come after 10h back ?
[23:32] <sigmonsays> website tells me to come here cause the pages won't load and error out
[23:32] <sigmonsays> anyone able to load http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mgiuca/fuse-python-docs/trunk/annotate/head%3A/templatefs.py
[23:33] <wgrant> mbarnett: ^^
[23:33] <wgrant> Hm, it's working now, at least sometimes.
[23:33] <wgrant> But it was 502ing on various branches.
[23:34] <sigmonsays> as in 404's ? =P
[23:34] <sigmonsays> I see 404's and the irc message
[23:35] <sigmonsays> i'll just try later
[23:35] <wgrant> sigmonsays: It's working for me after a few refreshes most of the time.
[23:35] <sigmonsays> lucky you.
[23:36] <sigmonsays> vegas?
[23:36] <wgrant> Any other LOSAs around?
[23:36] <mbarnett> i can hit that, wgrant
[23:37] <wgrant> mbarnett: Thanks.
[23:37] <mbarnett> np
[23:40] <wgrant> mbarnett: Looks happier now. Thanks.
[23:40] <mbarnett> np
[23:40] <wgrant> sigmonsays: Is it working for you now?
[23:41] <sigmonsays> everyonce in a while -- I think it's just the website. I can clone fine if I go to the main project
[23:42] <wgrant> Yes, it's only the browser that is occasionally unreliable.