[00:59] <jdeloach> Could someone look over my xorg.0.log? It is saying some STRANGE things. Like on my dual head card, it is trying to do both outputs through one of the heads.
[01:01] <pedro3005> jdeloach, I could try a bit, I don't know much about it though
[01:02] <jdeloach> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/388638/
[01:04] <pedro3005> jdeloach, at around which line things get interesting?
[01:05] <jdeloach> 430 & 504ish
[01:10] <pedro3005> jdeloach, nothing googable? (just made that up)
[01:11] <jdeloach> been googling for ever!
[01:11] <jdeloach> not very helpful
[01:11] <pedro3005> like some specific error message
[01:12] <jdeloach> Radeon(0): Acceleration initilization failed.
[01:12] <jdeloach> Thats the only thing.
[01:18] <pedro3005> D:
[01:35] <pleia2> jdeloach: are you having actual problems, or just noisy xorg?
[01:35] <pleia2> (a quick search tells me that error means 3d acceleration probably won't work)
[01:36] <jdeloach> pleia2: I am only being able to have 2/4 monitors working. So yes there are actual problems.
[01:36] <pleia2> gotcha
[01:36] <pleia2> unfortunately I've never even used 2 monitors at once, let alone 4 :)
[01:37] <pleia2> I wonder though, if you turn down the resolution (to something ridiculous - 800x600) does the behavior change at all?
[01:38] <jdeloach> i haven't tried, i wouldn't think so. i don't think it is that sort of problem.
[01:39] <pleia2> one of the suggestions I found for the above issue you mentioned was bumping down the resolution because the driver was having trouble rendering 3d at the higher one
[01:39] <pleia2> but yeah, in general support for 4 outputs is probably unrelated
[01:39] <pleia2> just trying to narrow down causes :)
[01:43] <jdeloach> :D
[01:53] <jdeloach> Tried lowering the bit depth and resolution, no effect.
[01:59] <pleia2> that error is probably unrelated there
[01:59] <pleia2> were you following a guide or something to set this up?
[02:02] <jdeloach> no, just going off... random stuff jammed together :D
[02:03] <pleia2> fair enough :)
[02:05] <pleia2> have your xorg.conf pasted somewhere too?
[02:05] <pleia2> I don't know enough about multiple monitors to solve it, but someone else might
[02:50] <thomas_> hey, is there anyone who can help me? i am having a problem running an application.
[04:05] <nomnex> I need  LaTex package information: what do I need from the repos (9.10) to be started with LaTex. Is "texlive-latex-base" the full or meta-package for LaTex? Total beginner here. Thanks
[04:07] <nomnex> duandesign hello
[06:08] <Varidian> hey guys is anybody there?
[06:15] <Varidian> anybody there
[06:50] <pleia2> nomnex: I was editing existing latex docs (not starting from scratch) but I went with texlive-latex-base
[06:50] <pleia2> then just installed other things I needed as it came up
[06:50] <pleia2> texlive-latex-recommended is good too
[06:51] <pleia2> and texlive-latex-extra :)
[06:51] <nomnex> pleia2, textlive-latex-recommended are plug-ins I guess
[06:52] <pleia2> I seem to have found a reason I needed them at some point
[06:53] <nomnex> pleia2, I will install all 3. do you still use LaTex over OO writer?
[06:53] <pleia2> nomnex: actually I use it for writing invoices at work
[06:53] <pleia2> mostly I just use OO still
[06:54] <nomnex> pleia2, I see
[06:54] <pleia2> latex is very cool and way flexible, but frequently I just don't have the time
[06:54] <pleia2> and OO does the job "well enough"
[06:54] <nomnex> pleia2, the editor looks like? vim? I could not find any print screen
[06:54] <pleia2> nomnex: I just use vim
[06:55] <nomnex> pleia2, vim with the LaTex plug-in?
[06:55] <pleia2> then to view it i'll use xdivi
[06:55] <pleia2> nope, plain old vim with syntax highlighting turned on
[06:56] <nomnex> pleia2, so LaTex package has no editor? or you can use any editor of your choice (gedit, vim, emacs)? I don't get it
[06:57] <pleia2> nomnex: I've always just used vim, the latex stuff you install is the infrastructure for creating latex documents
[06:58] <pleia2> you write all the latex formatting, fill in your text
[06:58] <pleia2> there are templates and things out there, you don't *have to* write it all yourself
[06:59] <nomnex> pleia2, I see, thanks, and I found the link for xdvi http://www.ucl.ac.uk/is/unix/tex.htm#preview
[07:01] <pleia2> nomnex: xdvi is included in texlive-base-bin
[07:02] <nomnex> pleia2, okay, my link was wrong anyway. I guess it's time to give the manual some reading and they try the software, see if it suits my need or not?
[07:02] <pleia2> nomnex: *nod* sounds like :)
[07:03] <pleia2> I mostly just fell into it because I needed to, my boss is a latex nut
[07:03] <pleia2> and a bit of a typesetting geek, he loathes office suites
[07:03] <pleia2> so I've learned by trial and error mostly
[07:06] <nomnex> pleia2, make sens. I wonder if it is not too over kill for writing letters and short manuals. I will see, I like Vim though even if I am just a beginner and I rather using the CLI than the GUI, so Linux really fits the bill and i loathes MS, but gooo and ooo are pretty solid office suites WYSIWYG
[07:06] <nomnex> pleia2, you boss is giving you a hard time ;-)
[07:07] <pleia2> nomnex: there are some WYSIWYG latex editors out there, I'd dig around the repos and install a few and see how it goes - even if you end up tweaking the templates in vim later :)
[07:07] <pleia2> *grin* it's fun though, I am glad I'm competent with latex now
[07:08] <nomnex> pleia2, agreed with the template, lyx or K... something, I don't want (and 300 MB for the KDE libs no way!) but thanks.
[07:09] <pleia2> good luck :)
[07:09] <nomnex> pleia2, thanks
[13:09] <ShadowKnight>  If you are running Debian, it is strongly suggested to use a package manager like aptitude or synaptic to download and install packages, instead of doing so manually via this website. You should be able to use any of the listed mirrors by adding a line to your /etc/apt/sources.list like this:  deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main   Replacing ftp.de.debian.org/debian with the mirror in question.
[13:09] <ShadowKnight> I was wondering what this meant, im new to ubuntu
[13:10] <nigelb> ShadowKnight: where did you see this?
[13:11] <ShadowKnight> i am trying to download logger pro so i can use it in my physics class
[13:12] <nigelb> from where are you downloading it?
[13:12] <ShadowKnight> the logger pro website itself. let me show you. one sec
[13:14] <nigelb> if you can give me a link that would help
[13:15] <ShadowKnight> okay this is from the email i got. Download and Install USB Driver
[13:15] <ShadowKnight> * 64-bit: http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libusb-1.0-0/download
[13:15] <ShadowKnight> * 32-bit: http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/libusb-1.0-0/download
[13:15] <nigelb> you're downloading from the debian packages site.
[13:15] <nigelb> thats why
[13:16] <ShadowKnight> so i dont download from there? how do i download this?
[13:16] <nigelb> go to System > Administration > Synaptics Package Manger
[13:16] <nigelb> enter 'libusb-' in the search filed and you should see the app you are trying to install
[13:17] <nigelb> click on it and say mark for install.  then click on the green tick mark on the toolbar that says Apply
[13:18] <ShadowKnight> hmmm okay, thank you it works :)
[13:18] <nigelb> great :)
[13:19] <ShadowKnight> thank you sooooo much :D
[13:19] <nigelb> no problem
[15:43] <lukjad86> http://everythingrandom.net/post/182101960/i-bought-a-cd-not-a-licensing-agreement
[19:36] <ng0n> this is where I belong ...
[19:36] <ng0n> :)
[19:40] <pedro3005> ng0n, what do you mean?
[19:52] <ng0n> i mean i'm not so great at ubuntu
[19:52] <ng0n> if it weren't for Google I'd have given it up long ago.
[19:53] <pedro3005> ng0n, google is great
[19:54] <Phrea> ng0n: welcome home
[19:55] <ng0n> yesterday i did an update on wubi.  big update.
[19:55] <pedro3005> ng0n, anything broke?
[19:55] <ng0n> vmlinuz 2.6.31-20-generic
[19:55] <ng0n> ya. it blew up..  took a long time to figure out theupdate
[19:55] <ng0n> corrupted the wubldr on C:
[19:56] <pedro3005> :(
[19:56] <ng0n> hey. you learn.
[19:56] <ng0n> you learn more than you really want to sometimes :)
[19:56] <Phrea> but it is additional knowledge which will be usefull in the future
[19:56] <ng0n> i'll come here the next time i blow up something.
[19:57] <ng0n> phrea.  so true.
[19:57] <ng0n> satisfying but it will take a while to grow out all the hair i've pulled out of my head !
[19:58] <Phrea> over a borked update?
[19:58] <Phrea> naaaah
[19:58] <ng0n> hahah.  i know.
[19:58] <ng0n> it wouldn't boot.  not even from sh:grub: prompt
[19:58]  * Phrea never used Wubi
[19:59] <ng0n> i started on Slackware .. ver 0.8
[19:59] <ng0n> years ago.  then i got sucked into Win at work.
[19:59] <Phrea> one and a half decade ago?
[19:59] <ng0n> ya.  i forget a lot of stuff.  but it comes back.
[20:00] <ng0n> compiled my first kernal before i'd ever even seen a working linux.
[20:00] <Phrea> so you're not a complete noobie, like I am
[20:00] <ng0n> well. ya. not a complete noobie.  but i've forgotten SO MUCH.
[20:00] <ng0n> there's so much detail.  so much syntax.
[20:00] <Phrea> the first time I tried Slack, a decade ago, I was able to install it...
[20:01] <ng0n> a.. i had help.  from a guy over the RADIO.  ham radio.
[20:01] <Phrea> ...and then forgot the root pwd to login...
[20:01] <pedro3005> I first saw a linux machine like a year and a half ago :(
[20:01] <ng0n> !#$!$#@  o that is frustrating.
[20:01] <Phrea> I did a reinstall, and I made it
[20:01] <pedro3005> Phrea, it's easy to reset
[20:01] <Phrea> then it was enough slackware for me :D
[20:02] <ng0n> pedro. linux was the fasting thing going back in the late 90s
[20:02] <ng0n> it was FABULOUS.
[20:02] <Phrea> pedro3005: not if you have 1 machine, and you installed Slack in it
[20:02] <Phrea> then it's not so easy
[20:02] <ng0n> i'm playing with WUBI.  it's so easy.. as long as it works.
[20:02] <pedro3005> Phrea, at least on ubuntu it's stupidly simple, don't know about Slack
[20:02] <Phrea> I couldnt get online to find help
[20:02] <Phrea> so I just reinstalled the whole darn thing again
[20:02] <ng0n> Slack was NOT easy.  but it worked, was compact and FAST.
[20:02] <Phrea> it then worked
[20:03] <Phrea> I felt good, then I quickly installed windows again !
[20:03] <Phrea> :D
[20:03] <ng0n> good going
[20:03] <ng0n> i gotta run.  will be back later.
[20:03] <Phrea> later
[20:03] <ng0n> nice meeting you guys, gals... whatever.
[20:03] <ng0n> yeah.  laterness.
[20:03] <Phrea> :)
[20:03] <ng0n> peace out.
[20:04] <pedro3005> fucking speakers
[20:04] <pedro3005> stop working sporadically
[20:04] <Phrea> language !
[20:04] <pedro3005> Phrea, ah :P
[20:06] <Phrea> pedro3005: dont feel bad for your 1.5 years...
[20:06] <Phrea> you know about 15 times more than I ever did
[20:06] <pedro3005> not really
[20:06] <Phrea> you do, trust me :P
[20:06] <pedro3005> Phrea, google does, I'm just a middle man
[20:07] <Phrea> there's indeed no real linux life w/o google and the forums
[20:07] <pedro3005> yeah
[20:07] <Phrea> at least for most people who start out with lin
[20:08] <pedro3005> I gotta learn more about troubleshooting in general
[20:08] <Phrea> I havent even begun...
[20:08] <Phrea> I only use it the way I need it, that's it
[20:08] <Phrea> dont install on other machines for other people, because there will be things to solve, which I cant
[20:09] <Phrea> I'm happy that I can do with my machine [and my own install] what I want
[20:09] <pedro3005> Phrea, actually you get less issues than you'd imagine, at least for me
[20:09] <Phrea> but that's where it ends for me
[20:10] <pedro3005> I've installed ubuntu on an old laptop for my dad and haven't had to check on it for weeks
[20:10] <pedro3005> he doesn't know one command but uses it perfectly fine... linux is getting better and better
[20:10] <Phrea> my parents could never live with Linux
[20:10] <Phrea> they can hardly live with Windows as it is...
[20:11] <Phrea> pedro3005: one can fairly easily live without the CLI
[20:12] <pedro3005> yeah
[20:12] <Phrea> it just takes a little bit longer for some stuff to do
[20:12] <Phrea> and when you really need to, there's tonnes of help on the forums [which I still think are amazing]
[20:13] <pedro3005> Phrea, I have seen some sad occasions where people get no help on the forums
[20:13] <Phrea> true, but that's mostly because of poorly described problems, or problems that arent solvable atm
[20:14] <paultag> Phrea, I kindly suggest that is wholly wrong
[20:14] <Phrea> I dont see that many unanswered questions
[20:14] <paultag> Phrea, you are not looking hard enough :)
[20:14] <paultag> Phrea, there is an unanswered posts team if you want to ask them
[20:15] <Phrea> maybe it's because I'm only on the absolute beginners part
[20:15] <Phrea> paultag: I know :)
[20:15] <paultag> Phrea, I've been working on the UFBT / UBT since 2007 / 8, I've seen a hella lot :)
[20:15] <Phrea> that unanswered posts team is a brilliant idea
[20:16] <Phrea> well, if the question is well described, and there is a solution, people will get the solution, eventually
[20:16] <Phrea> maybe not the first time round, but they will if they really want to
[20:16] <paultag> Phrea, unless they give up because they are new :)
[20:16] <Phrea> very true
[20:17] <paultag> Phrea, true, but not all users are so dedicated or patient
[20:17] <paultag> Phrea, I started GNU / Linux when I was about 11 / 12, I gave up pretty quick :)
[20:17] <Phrea> well, I HAD to be dedicated FAST :D
[20:17] <paultag> I hear ya
[20:18] <Phrea> some really nasty virus/whatever thingy completely rendered my pc useless within 5 minutes
[20:18] <Phrea> and I was using BitDefender at the time too
[20:18] <Phrea> updated and all
[20:18] <Phrea> I've never seen anything like it, ever
[20:18] <paultag> Phrea, that sucks
[20:18] <Phrea> it was a wakeup call
[20:18] <Phrea> and I was already thinking of trying Linux again
[20:18] <Phrea> well, here we are, 3/4 of a year later :D
[20:19] <paultag> Phrea, the internet is like fucking hookers. No matter how much protection you get, you will eventually get a virus
[20:19] <Phrea> this was a particularly nasty one
[20:19] <paultag> Phrea, HIV of sorts
[20:19] <paultag> Phrea, that was one nasty chick
[20:19] <Phrea> it was amazing to SEE the pc being broken down
[20:19] <paultag> Phrea, want to see it again?
[20:19] <Phrea> I just sat there, in awe
[20:19] <paultag> Phrea, you can remove your directory root >:)
[20:20] <Phrea> mind you, this pc is still running windows
[20:20] <Phrea> it was my other pc that crashed
[20:21] <Phrea> but I am thus impressed that I will ditch win on this pc too, come Lucid
[20:21] <Phrea> all that in less than a year
[20:21] <Phrea> I call that impressive
[20:21] <Phrea> [on Ubuntu's part that is]
[20:27] <xfact_> Hello
[20:28] <xfact_> I am in problem
[20:28] <xfact_> :(
[20:28] <xfact_> anyone there to hear it
[20:28] <xfact_> ?
[20:28] <xfact_> I have some questions
[20:28] <ng0n> hi
[20:28] <ng0n> ask here.
[20:28] <xfact_> hello
[20:29] <paultag> sure, what's up
[20:29] <ng0n> see if you do better
[20:29] <ng0n> severduck need to delete an icon.
[20:29] <paultag> xfact_, read the topic, don't ask to ask
[20:29] <ng0n> needs help
[20:29] <serverduck> Greetingz, can someone help me delete an icon?
[20:29] <paultag> serverduck, GNOME?
[20:29] <serverduck> I uninstalled evolution mail ...
[20:29] <paultag> serverduck, what do you mean icon, what application?
[20:29] <serverduck> Yes
[20:29] <pedro3005> serverduck, just select it and press delete?
[20:29] <paultag> serverduck, Oh, is it still in the Menu?
[20:29] <xfact_> Well, anyone knows about Getdeb is it's server is currently down?
[20:29] <serverduck> Yes'
[20:29] <paultag> serverduck, right click, edit menus
[20:30] <paultag> xfact_, no clue. Why do you need getdeb?
[20:30] <xfact_> cause I have installed some latest soft from that and now the apt doing problem
[20:30] <paultag> xfact_, you should not have to use getdeb, what were you trying to install?
[20:30] <xfact_> paultag, Just to have latest releases
[20:30] <paultag> serverduck, are you all set?
[20:30] <serverduck> If I right click I get add this launcher to panel or desktop.
[20:30] <paultag> serverduck, no
[20:30] <paultag> serverduck, on the menu
[20:31] <paultag> serverduck, right click on "Applications" or "Places" or "System"
[20:31] <serverduck> Ohh...
[20:31] <paultag> serverduck, then uncheck the icon
[20:31] <serverduck> Silly me, excuse me.
[20:31] <paultag> serverduck, or delete
[20:31] <xfact_> Like Ubuntu provides VLC 1.0.2 (or maybe 1.0.3 I am not sure) but via getdeb I can have latest 1.0.5
[20:31] <paultag> serverduck, no worries :)
[20:31] <paultag> serverduck, this is a home for newbies :)
[20:31] <paultag> xfact_, you can get it from Lucid, you should not have to use untrusted third parties
[20:31] <paultag> xfact_, Hold on.
[20:32] <paultag> xfact_, yes, it's offline
[20:32] <AJH101> hi there - my html links are no longer opening in ffox - they are blue and underlined and i get relevant options when right clicking but nothing open - any ideas?
[20:32] <serverduck> Wohoo, it worked like a charm. Thank you so very much.
[20:32] <paultag> serverduck, no problem :)
[20:32]  * xfact_ have to leave the backdated concept of having always latest versions 
[20:32] <pedro3005> AJH101, right click, properties, open with tab, select firefox as a default
[20:32] <paultag> xfact_, yeah, we test it before it goes into a release
[20:33] <paultag> xfact_, if you want the latest stuff, use Debian Unstable :)
[20:33] <serverduck> And another thing, I keep having flash issues...why is that?
[20:33] <paultag> serverduck, hahaha, because flash sucks ;)
[20:33] <paultag> serverduck, Well, adobie did not make flash player Free / Open Source
[20:33] <serverduck> Tried both the repository flash and the adobe one.
[20:33] <paultag> serverduck, it's Free ( as in price ), but not free ( as in freedom )
[20:33] <xfact_> Well, I am happy with Ubuntu stable :)
[20:33] <paultag> serverduck, so we have to hack layers to make it work, and that adds a bit of lag and instability
[20:33] <serverduck> So there's no way yet to fix it?
[20:34] <paultag> serverduck, Not yet, but rest assured us hackers are trying!
[20:34] <serverduck> Yet?
[20:34] <paultag> serverduck, I like youtube too :)
[20:34] <AJH101> pedro3005: sorry right click what? right clicking the link does not give me properties or options
[20:34] <Phrea> I'll never understand why first MM and then Adobe keep Flash closed
[20:34] <pedro3005> AJH101, it's a link?
[20:34] <pedro3005> oh
[20:34] <paultag> serverduck, 64 bit is the worst
[20:34] <pedro3005> I thought it was a .html file
[20:34] <paultag> serverduck, but x86 / ix86 / ia32 is OK
[20:34] <pedro3005> AJH101, well, is that ON firefox?
[20:35] <serverduck> Who knows ..yeah I have 64 bit version because of my t4300 intel processor.
[20:35] <xfact_> What is Linux header or Linux image, I have just updated it and now it claiming for a restart... it that important? (Karmic)
[20:35] <AJH101> pedro3005: in thunderbird emails
[20:35] <xfact_> *is
[20:35] <pedro3005> AJH101, oh, thunderbird
[20:35] <pedro3005> let me check
[20:35] <Phrea> it is, it's your new kernel
[20:36] <paultag> serverduck, what's the output of uname -m
[20:36] <Phrea> look at me, I answered a question !
[20:36] <xfact_> ohh then definitely it is... see you after..
[20:36] <pedro3005> AJH101, tried looking around the settings on thunderbird? i'm installed it
[20:36] <Phrea> [was it the right answer? :P ]
[20:36] <paultag> Phrea, gold star! :)
[20:36] <Phrea> oh...
[20:36] <Phrea> whoei
[20:36] <Phrea> :D
[20:36] <serverduck> What's that?
[20:36] <AJH101> pedro3005: i have looked but have not found anything obvious sorry
[20:36] <serverduck> Hehehehehe'
[20:36] <paultag> serverduck, sorry, open a termina ( applications --> accesories --> terminal ) and type `uname -m`
[20:37] <paultag> serverduck, without the ticks :) -- what's the output of that?
[20:37] <serverduck> x86_64
[20:37] <paultag> serverduck, OK. yeah you are running 64 bit
[20:37] <paultag> serverduck, so flash will suck even worse then usual :)
[20:37] <paultag> serverduck, how much RAM do you have?
[20:37] <serverduck> I switched to gnu/linux full time.
[20:37] <Phrea> I've got similar problems
[20:37] <serverduck> 4GB
[20:38] <pedro3005> AJH101, maybe System > Preferences > Preferred Applications
[20:38] <paultag> serverduck, You can actually run 32 bit faster on your platform
[20:38] <serverduck> 800mhz
[20:38] <Phrea> ...but I just use Fx for flash [iso my standard Opera browser]
[20:38] <pedro3005> select Custom web browser and on the command box put:
[20:38] <pedro3005> /usr/bin/firefox %s
[20:38] <paultag> serverduck, do you know what 64 vs 32 bit is?
[20:38] <serverduck> 64 accepts more instructions..
[20:38] <serverduck> Runs faster?
[20:39] <Phrea> in theory, yes
[20:39] <paultag> serverduck, the CPU has something it uses for all things in RAM called a "Word". It used to be 8 bits, but then RAM got too big. So the "Word" got doubled -- 16 bits. That was too small, and we hit 32. We maxed that out and now we have a 64 bit CPU. The number is only how big the "word" is
[20:39] <Phrea> in practice, not so much :D
[20:39] <paultag> serverduck, in your case, the "Word" is able to address HUGE amounts of RAM. You only need enough for 4 GB, and that can be handled in 32 bit addressing
[20:39] <pedro3005> AJH101, try what I said above, see if it works
[20:39] <paultag> serverduck, so, right now, your CPU is processing more bits for no gain
[20:40] <serverduck> Sorry, I'm slow typer because I just learned how to type correclty at my keybord
[20:40] <paultag> serverduck, it's OK, tyt
[20:40] <Phrea> 32bit cpu cant adress 4GB
[20:40] <Phrea> :P
[20:40] <paultag> serverduck, if you had 8 GB RAM or more, then you would have a gap where 64 bits would make an impact
[20:40] <AJH101> pedro3005: hmm no - something to do with ffox location? how do i check mine?
[20:40] <Phrea> more like 3.xGB
[20:40] <paultag> Phrea, wrong again :)
[20:40] <paultag> Phrea, the -PAE kernel
[20:40] <pedro3005> AJH101, hm, open a terminal please
[20:40] <paultag> Phrea, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
[20:40] <xfact> Songbird is not listed in synaptic by default :(
[20:40] <Phrea> ah, ok
[20:40] <paultag> x86 processor hardware architecture is augmented with additional address lines used to select the additional memory, so physical address size is increased from 32 bits to 36 bits. This, theoretically, increases maximum physical memory size from 4 GB to 64 GB.
[20:41] <serverduck> I see thanks so much for tyt to explain this thiings to me.
[20:41]  * Phrea loves being wrong
[20:41] <pedro3005> type 'ls /usr/bin/firefox'
[20:41] <Phrea> I learn som much
[20:41] <AJH101> pedro3005: ok done
[20:41] <paultag> serverduck, sure thing, it's ask a computer engineer day :)
[20:41] <pedro3005> AJH101, what did it say?
[20:41] <xfact> How to install Songbird, may I know?
[20:41] <paultag> serverduck, long story short, perhaps consider using 32 bit for a while, with a PAE kernel, but it's really up to you
[20:41] <serverduck> So should i install the 32 bit version then?
[20:41] <pedro3005> xfact, use the software center
[20:41] <paultag> serverduck, it's up to you, in the end
[20:41] <paultag> serverduck, but it's one way to get flash working OK :)
[20:41] <AJH101> and paste that?
[20:42] <serverduck> How can I do that?
[20:42] <paultag> serverduck, switch to 32 bit?
[20:42] <serverduck> Yes
[20:42] <xfact> Songbird is not listed there too!...
[20:42] <serverduck> I add the plugin to firefox folder?
[20:42] <paultag> serverduck, you would have to get a new install CD from online, unless you want to install via command line ( but I don't like doing that )
[20:42]  * Phrea will keep on fighting with 64bits Ubu
[20:42] <paultag> Phrea, :)
[20:42] <serverduck> Ohh...I see
[20:42] <Phrea> they'll get it right some day ;)
[20:43] <paultag> serverduck, It's really up to you, it's not a big deal
[20:43] <AJH101> pedro3005: hmm we are getting somewhere - another ffox broswer opens - but just my homepage
[20:43] <paultag> serverduck, but just remember, if you want that last little bit of RAM to install the -PAE kernel :)
[20:43] <serverduck> Yeah, damn closed source software.
[20:43] <pedro3005> AJH101, are you sure you typed the LS?
[20:43] <xfact> Now how will I sync ipod...?
[20:44] <pedro3005> 'ls /usr/bin/firefox'
[20:44] <Phrea> paultag: what if you are updating via the Ubu update service?
[20:44] <paultag> Phrea, whwat do you mean?
[20:44] <pedro3005> everything between the single quotes
[20:44] <paultag> serverduck, anything else I can help you with?
[20:44] <Phrea> how do you get that -PAE kernel then?
[20:44] <paultag> Phrea, apt ;)
[20:44] <Phrea> ok
[20:44] <paultag> linux-generic-pae
[20:44] <AJH101> pedro3005: yes! :-)
[20:44] <paultag> Phrea, or the server kernel
[20:44] <Phrea> and then, with future updates, Ubu will always use the PAE kernel?
[20:44] <pedro3005> AJH101, and that opens a firefox window?
[20:44] <paultag> linux-image-generic-pae
[20:45] <paultag> Phrea, no
[20:45] <paultag> Phrea, it won't use it unless it's server
[20:45] <AJH101> pedro3005: ff opens but just with homepage - not the link
[20:45] <serverduck> I'd like to know how to disable my touchpad but for always not like..
[20:45] <pedro3005> AJH101, that when you click the link, not after you run the command?
[20:45] <serverduck> sudo rmmod psmouse
[20:45] <Phrea> seems like a lot of efford for a couple of hundred mb's of ram then...
[20:45] <paultag> Phrea, I'd agree, but 32 GB of RAM will work under PAE
[20:45] <paultag> Phrea, it can address up to 64 GB
[20:45] <serverduck> Some fellow ubuntu member gaved me this on #ubuntu  channel
[20:45] <pedro3005> serverduck, hm, I think you gotta blacklist the module somewhere
[20:45] <paultag> Phrea, and in theory work faster
[20:46] <paultag> serverduck, :)
[20:46] <AJH101> pedro3005: i click the link and another homepage opens
[20:46] <Phrea> ok, but it is a work-around
[20:46] <paultag> Phrea, the whole intel CPU is a work-around
[20:46] <Phrea> that's why I'm on AMD :P
[20:46] <serverduck> And were can I get all this commands?
[20:46] <paultag> Phrea, it's still ia-32
[20:46] <paultag> Phrea, try writing ASM for an intel CPU, to put it into usermode you have to "CLI" and then set up the stack / heap as if a user exception went down
[20:46] <pedro3005> serverduck, ok, press ALT F2
[20:46] <serverduck> I feel silly asking...hey how do you do that...
[20:47] <paultag> serverduck, to install the PAE kernel or what?
[20:47] <paultag> serverduck, Oh, sorry
[20:47] <paultag> pedro3005, take it away, baby
[20:47] <pedro3005> write "gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist"
[20:47] <serverduck> No, in generally to learn all this commands like
[20:47] <serverduck> sudo rmmod psmouse
[20:47] <Phrea> paultag: you do realize that I'm on this channel for a reason, right? :D
[20:47] <pedro3005> serverduck, you mean know all the possible modules?
[20:47] <paultag> Phrea, it's a 8 bit CPU with a 16 bit hack, 32 bit addons with a 64 bit tweek
[20:47] <paultag> Phrea, haha, sure. me too! to help new users :)
[20:48] <serverduck> Yes
[20:48] <Phrea> I'm here to be helped :)
[20:48] <pedro3005> AJH101, on Preferred applications, make sure there is a %s after /usr/bin/firefox, like /usr/bin/firefox %s
[20:48] <paultag> Phrea, I'm here to help, in that case :)
[20:48] <Phrea> I know
[20:48] <pedro3005> serverduck, hm, try lsmod
[20:49] <Phrea> but I think we're passed the '64bit cpu is nothing more than 8bit with hacks, addons and tweaks' ;)
[20:49] <serverduck> I need to make some beer donations to you guys:)
[20:49] <AJH101> pedro3005: brilliant - thanks very much! :-)
[20:49] <paultag> serverduck, haha, good man :P
[20:49] <serverduck> Thanks for helping everyone around here.
[20:49] <pedro3005> AJH101, no problem :D come back any time
[20:49] <paultag> serverduck, sure thing, c'mon back anytime
[20:49] <AJH101> pedro3005: bye :-)
[20:49] <pedro3005> paultag, gah, I said that first
[20:49] <pedro3005> :P
[20:49] <paultag> pedro3005, :P
[20:50] <Phrea> and, dont do anything I tell you to do, remember that ;)
[20:50] <serverduck> and sorry if i ask dumb questions, is just that i want to learn.
[20:50] <paultag> serverduck, don't say you are sorry
[20:50] <pedro3005> serverduck, ok, ready to blacklist the module?
[20:50] <paultag> serverduck, or I will freaking kick you out of here so fast
[20:50] <pedro3005> we haven't finished yet
[20:50] <Phrea> that's why this channel excists
[20:50] <serverduck> Shure
[20:50] <paultag> serverduck, there is no such thing as a n00b question here :)
[20:50] <serverduck> ok
[20:50] <pedro3005> Done the bit where you press ALT F2 and write "gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" ?
[20:50] <Phrea> I'm here 24/7 just to learn stuff
[20:51] <serverduck> I feel so fine here.
[20:51] <serverduck> :)
[20:51] <paultag> serverduck, Well good, then :)
[20:51] <pedro3005> paultag, ahhhhh, move that comma
[20:51] <Phrea> that's the ubu community for ya
[20:51] <paultag> pedro3005, what, do, you, mean?
[20:51] <serverduck> pedro3005, yes
[20:51] <Akos> hi team (:
[20:51] <paultag> heyya Akos
[20:52]  * Akos is finally rockin' on Lucid
[20:52] <Phrea> whoei
[20:52] <paultag> Akos, I'm working on my Syn 1 ( Che ) build
[20:52] <Phrea> I tested it out the other day, live session
[20:52] <pedro3005> serverduck, ok, then on the file you open, write on a new line "blacklist driver-name", so on this case, "blacklist psmouse"
[20:52] <paultag> Akos, it's taken me a few months, but I think my package manager is almost ready
[20:52] <Phrea> I must say, it works very very smooth
[20:53] <elfy> evening
[20:53] <paultag> heyya elfy
[20:53] <elfy> wotcha paultag
[20:53] <pedro3005> serverduck, save it, close it, and you're done. it won't start by the next reboot
[20:54] <serverduck> pedro3005, Thanks, and is there a way so that my computer could disable this automatically when a usb mouse is plugged in or not?
[20:54] <pedro3005> serverduck, that'd probably require some sort of script
[20:54] <serverduck> pedro3005, I'm just curious, back when I had windows my touchpad had this function.
[20:54] <pedro3005> I'm not advanced enough in programming to do it, but you can ask paultag or ibuclaw
[20:54] <AJH101> sorry i forgot one more questions - my link to Ubuntu One in the top panel of my screen is crossed as unavailable - i have chosen so it should  connect automatically but no joy - any ideas?
[20:55] <serverduck> pedro3005, Ok thanks.
[20:55] <paultag> Ah it's not hard
[20:55] <paultag> set up a dev rule
[20:55] <Akos> paultag: wow, sounds like rock'n roll
[20:56] <pedro3005> yeah
[20:56] <pedro3005> teach us more
[20:56] <paultag> pedro3005, hehe, hold on
[20:56] <ibuclaw> udev rule++
[20:56] <paultag> pedro3005, http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
[20:57] <pedro3005> paultag, tldr? :(
[20:57] <paultag> pedro3005, tl;dr there is a lot to do, but it's not too hard. I have to write them with that guide open
[20:58] <serverduck> Ouhh and how do you install skype on Ubuntu?do you need some special plugins or so?
[20:58] <pedro3005> serverduck, nope
[20:58] <pedro3005> just download it
[20:58] <serverduck> I see, ok. :)
[21:00] <elfy> xfact: did you get songbird sorted ? - if not https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Songbird
[21:02] <serverduck> Works, woohoo!
[21:02] <xfact> elfy: I dunno, after using getdeb it's not listed any more.... thanks for the link :)
[21:02] <elfy> I get it form songbird - and then run it from the folder - each time I have another look at it ;)
[21:03] <serverduck> And I understand that you need a firewall on ubuntu...and I got a guy for it (firewall configuration for ufw) thicked deny on it ... do I need to do anything else to be protected?
[21:07] <ibuclaw> serverduck, a surge protector helps. :)
[21:07] <serverduck> What is that?
[21:07] <phillw> serverduck: ubuntu comes fully "firewalled" ... you may to relax the rules, but the ufw is closed down
[21:08] <serverduck> I enabled it and thicked deny..is it ok?
[21:08] <ibuclaw> serverduck, default deny is all OK for general usage.
[21:09] <elfy> night
[21:09] <serverduck> Thanks..
[21:09] <ibuclaw> if you are behind a router, you will only block people from inside your own network from potentially connecting
[21:09] <TheHerbert> what do i need to do do reduce my comand line history? so that if i typed the same command for ten times, it is saved only when it differs from the last one
[21:09] <serverduck> I'm behind one...
[21:09] <ibuclaw> and it doesn't stop you from *inviting* people into your computer.
[21:09] <serverduck> Ohhh
[21:10] <serverduck> Is there something else I should do?
[21:10] <ibuclaw> serverduck, not really
[21:11] <ibuclaw> serverduck, the technical way to put it, no one can connect to your computer without an ACK.
[21:12] <serverduck> Ok I would leave like this for now until I get some advanced skills...
[21:12] <ibuclaw> the lament way, if you click on a questionable link, accept the consequences. :)
[21:13] <ibuclaw> though (as of writing) there are no malware, trojans or other nasties in the wild.
[21:13] <ibuclaw> there are proof of concept trojans though.
[21:14] <ibuclaw> serverduck, and a surge protector is for your electrical connection from computer -> socket in the wall.
[21:15]  * Phrea stomps on the devils tail and shouts 'IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN !!'
[21:15] <serverduck> I see...
[21:15] <xfact> Rhythmbox supports ipod?
[21:15] <ibuclaw> always good to protect yourself from brown and blackouts. :)
[21:15] <serverduck> :)
[21:15] <ibuclaw> xfact, that is what I read in the news. (for Ubuntu Lucid)
[21:16] <xfact> or any portable device?
[21:17] <ibuclaw> serverduck, also, there has been a discovered flaw in OpenSSL regarding dodgy electrical connections and people obtaining private RSA keys
[21:17] <serverduck> Wow!!!
[21:17] <xfact> ibuclaw, In Karmic in the 'plugin' section of rhythmbox it has a 'ipod support' enabled, may be that's it the thing (I have not tested)
[21:18] <ibuclaw> serverduck, not that this affects people with desktops... more mobile devices and consumer products (ie: DVD player) that you can get *physical* access to.
[21:19] <ibuclaw> serverduck, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/04/severe_openssl_vulnerability/ :D
[21:19] <phillw> xfact: the last i heard on iPods was over here --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1416507
[21:19] <serverduck> Thanks for the link.
[21:19] <serverduck> Very interesting...
[23:00] <serverduck> Is there a program that can give me coords on an image for an image map?
[23:10] <phillw> serverduck: depends how the image map was made.
[23:11] <serverduck> I want to make it in html....i have a gif and just need a program that can give me coords of the shapes in that gif file
[23:14] <Phrea> I'm useless, I only know of PS and FW that can do that easily
[23:14] <Phrea> isnt there an option/plugin in/for Gimp that does that?
[23:14] <phillw> okies serverduck are you using 'mouse-over' and 'mouse-click' ?
[23:15] <serverduck> No
[23:15] <Phrea> image maps dont need JS
[23:15] <Phrea> ...or do they? I forget
[23:16] <phillw> phrea they do not
[23:16] <serverduck> Maybe webdeveloper toolbox can help me...
[23:16] <Phrea> it's been a LONG time since I've used that...
[23:16] <serverduck> Let's see...
[23:16] <Phrea> serverduck: almost certainly it can
[23:16] <phillw> it is covered in the w3c shools
[23:16] <Phrea> but Gimp must have such a function, doenst it?
[23:17] <Phrea> maybe a plugin?
[23:17] <serverduck> Why  is the last version of firefox not in the ubuntu software center?
[23:18] <Phrea> because the SC isnt up to date every second
[23:18] <Phrea> they first have to descide: is this really stable
[23:18] <serverduck> Ohh so evrything is tested before...
[23:19] <Phrea> yes
[23:19] <phillw> serverduck: which vdrsion of FFox ?
[23:19] <serverduck> 3.5.8
[23:20] <Phrea> a lot of people seem to think that 3.6 is the lastest version
[23:20] <Phrea> [it isnt, that's a beta version]
[23:20] <phillw> serverduck: 2nd question, how complicated is the map you want ?
[23:20] <phillw> 3.6 is the stable version of FFox
[23:20] <Phrea> serverduck: be a bit patient
[23:20] <Phrea> phillw: is it now?
[23:21] <phillw> it is now on unbuntu+4 ... oh it's the stable version
[23:21] <phillw> they're upto 3.7 on the alphas
[23:22] <serverduck> http://w3schools.com/html/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_areamap
[23:22] <phillw> 3.6 is available both on 9.10 and 10.o4
[23:22] <serverduck> Something like this one, I just want to learn and move on...:)
[23:23] <phillw> serverduck: that was where I was heading, what more information for mapping a map out do you need ?
[23:24] <serverduck> well I don't know how to generate coords...and didn't found anything in webdeveloper extenction
[23:25] <serverduck> Maybe gimp can help me
[23:28] <phillw> gimp will give you co-ordidates
[23:28] <serverduck> It works with gimp
[23:28] <serverduck> Yeah, thanks.
[23:41] <phillw> serverduck: As long as you have a good knowledge of installing / updating things, then --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1193567&page=41  will give you how to update. If you are at all unsure ( as you will see I was), leave a post on there, lovinglinux is a really nice guy and will talk you through what you need with FFox :-)
[23:54] <serverduck> phillw, thanks for the link. I will ask him..thanks.