[00:04] <subspider> !webcam
[02:08] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello subspider  :_)
[02:08] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[02:30] <Hellhound666> I have a question about my USB devices...
[02:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> !ask
[02:32] <Hellhound666> I have an old Microsoft USB mouse and a ALFA wireless adapter.  The mouse shows activity during installation but at the login prompt there is nothing.
[02:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> product name of the mouse?
[02:32] <Hellhound666> One sec plz
[02:33] <Hellhound666> Wheel mouse optical usb/ps2
[02:34] <Hellhound666> Microsoft NOM just an old USB mouse
[02:34] <Hellhound666> and a new ALFA wireless adapter.  It's on my old computer so that may be the problem.
[02:35] <Sachse_Siechtum> are you using the adapter with the mouse?
[02:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> *just looking what kinda adapter that is*
[02:37] <Hellhound666> no I unplugged the wirless adapter I'm going to try and work on fixing only the mouse first
[02:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> I see
[02:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> maybe the USB slot, where the mouse is connected to, is not activated in the bios...
[02:37] <Hellhound666> It's an old AOPEN board
[02:38] <Sachse_Siechtum> 2005?
[02:38] <Sachse_Siechtum> well my computer is from 2004 :-) and my mouse works....
[02:38] <Hellhound666> really nice BIOS I reset it to default.  not sure let me dig up some info real quick and I'll get back to you ok?
[02:38] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[02:38] <Sachse_Siechtum> try to use another usb slot
[02:38] <Hellhound666> ha there is only 2.
[02:38] <Sachse_Siechtum> bummer :-(
[02:39] <Hellhound666> brb k
[02:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> k
[02:42] <Hellhound666> I may have to update the BIOS.  Gimmie a sec I'm going to move my computer in here and connect it via ethernet
[02:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> copy
[02:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> be careful updating it :-)
[02:45] <Hellhound666> I'm going to try all other options before I go that far
[02:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[02:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-772250.html
[02:55] <Hellhound666> one sec I'm trying to get this setup just right
[02:55] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[02:55] <Sachse_Siechtum> take your time
[02:57] <Hellhound666> on boot the usb mouse initializes.
[02:58] <Hellhound666> I'm just waiting for it to boot up now.  I hope it actually boots.
[02:58] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[02:59] <Sachse_Siechtum> what version of xubuntu are you using? Karmic?
[03:00] <Hellhound666> pff great now it's not booting up
[03:00] <Hellhound666> hold up lemme check
[03:01] <Hellhound666> this is a 2001 AOPEN board
[03:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh :-(
[03:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> really old *g*
[03:02] <Hellhound666> yeah I know
[03:02] <Hellhound666> almost 400mb of ram whooo
[03:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> whoohoo indeed
[03:03] <Hellhound666> It's a server style case too
[03:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> I'd say best thing would be a bios flash. if there still is some for that board
[03:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> I see
[03:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> I have a Abit board ...and my bios update went flawless over update software...
[03:04] <Hellhound666> whoa it's loading up.  just takes a while
[03:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> I dunno Aopen though
[03:04] <Hellhound666> wtf now the mouse looks like it's on?
[03:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> I see
[03:04] <Hellhound666> now off hmmm
[03:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmmm
[03:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> its a generic cable mouse right?
[03:04] <Hellhound666> Old microsoft usb mouse
[03:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[03:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> have you had other OS's on that computer before linux?
[03:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> like.....Win98
[03:06] <Hellhound666> a long time ago xp
[03:06] <Hellhound666> then freebsd
[03:06] <Sachse_Siechtum> was the mouse working in XP?
[03:06] <Hellhound666> either I was impatient or it just wasn't loading up
[03:06] <Hellhound666> yes the usb worked in xp
[03:06] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmm
[03:06] <Hellhound666> let me try something real quick
[03:06] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[03:07] <Hellhound666> I'm going to try and hook up my external to it
[03:07] <Hellhound666> external hdd
[03:07] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[03:10] <Hellhound666> there has to be some serious problems with this board.  let me try a few things be back in a second.
[03:12] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[03:13] <Sachse_Siechtum> (well a board from 2001..... I think you're lucky, it still works....)
[03:14] <Hellhound666> yeah I was over my parents house and forgot I had it stuffed in a closet.
[03:16] <Hellhound666> Guess what the problem was...
[03:17] <Hellhound666> I just fixed the thing.  I had two NIC's installed, and I think there was an IRQ conflict.
[03:17] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh IRQ conflict....hadn't have this one in ages *g*
[03:17] <Hellhound666> I guess a while back I was attempting a NIC bridge.
[03:17] <Sachse_Siechtum> what was a NIC?
[03:17] <Hellhound666> yeah jeeze an old one
[03:17] <Hellhound666> Network Interface Card
[03:18] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah I see
[03:18] <Hellhound666> those old things we used to plug into the PCI slots
[03:18] <Sachse_Siechtum> something lik a ethernet   card?
[03:18] <Sachse_Siechtum> for LAN?
[03:18] <Hellhound666> same thing
[03:18] <Sachse_Siechtum> well I got a ethernet card in my PCI slot *lol*
[03:18] <Sachse_Siechtum> or no wait
[03:19] <Sachse_Siechtum> I got this thing on board..  have a wlan card *g*
[03:19] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah that was it *g*
[03:19] <Sachse_Siechtum> so not its gonna work, I hope :-)
[03:20] <Hellhound666> wait what's the prob?
[03:20] <Hellhound666> thanks for helping me out here though
[03:21] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah...well I think the mouse will work now
[03:21] <Sachse_Siechtum> no problem
[03:21] <Hellhound666> yeah
[03:22] <Hellhound666> I might just make this computer an open FTP for anybody to put stuff on it.
[03:22] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[03:22] <Sachse_Siechtum> sweet
[03:22] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh btw do you know the webcomic "general protection fault"?
[03:22] <Hellhound666> It's only 80gb but people can put whatever on it.
[03:22] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah
[03:23] <Sachse_Siechtum> aaah 80 gbyte is nothing nowadays *g*
[03:23] <Hellhound666> ah I've heard of a general protection fault but webcomic?
[03:23] <Sachse_Siechtum> google for it :-)
[03:23] <Sachse_Siechtum> its good
[03:23] <Hellhound666> one sec firefox is giving me trouble.
[03:23] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[03:23] <Sachse_Siechtum> where are you from btw?
[03:26] <Hellhound666> cincinnati ohio
[03:26] <Hellhound666> u
[03:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> I'm from lower Saxony, Germany
[03:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[03:27] <Sachse_Siechtum> got to bed 7pm and woke up 1am *g*
[03:27] <Hellhound666> that's a long way from here
[03:27] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe yeah it is. :-)
[03:27] <Hellhound666> yeah sometimes I'm up for days
[03:28] <Hellhound666> I have a terrible sleep schedule
[03:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> But I like getting to know new people. :-)
[03:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah I had too
[03:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> some days ago....I was up til 6am and slept til 7pm
[03:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> sometimes I didnt see sunlight at all *lol*
[03:28] <Hellhound666> wow that's like a coma
[03:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe yeah kinda
[03:28] <Hellhound666> yeah sunlight bad...
[03:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> LOL yeah...
[03:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah well
[03:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> after this winter I love a sunny day..
[03:29] <Hellhound666> hey I gotta little problem here maybe you can fix it
[03:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> I was just sick of all that snow and grey days...
[03:29] <Hellhound666> yeah I can't stand winter I'm thinking of moving to florida closer to the equator.
[03:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[03:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah
[03:30] <Hellhound666> ok I used to get prompted for plugins but it's not happening anymore.  firefox locked during plugin install and the option is gone now.
[03:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmmmm...
[03:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> never had that one....lemme look after that
[03:30] <Hellhound666> I'm trying to install java plugins the easy way
[03:32] <Hellhound666> yup having my usual java problems
[03:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> I use that for java: http://openjdk.java.net/
[03:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> and it  works
[03:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> and its open source :-)
[03:34] <Hellhound666> thanks I bookmarked it.
[03:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> np
[03:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmmm thats a good song.... *dreams*
[03:35] <Hellhound666> eh brb I have to put the panel back on my old case
[03:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[03:36] <Hellhound666> my old case has a lock on it
[03:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh my! *g*
[03:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> "high security" *laughs*
[03:38] <Hellhound666> yeah a lot of important data on that thing *pffff*
[03:38] <Sachse_Siechtum> hihi
[03:39] <Hellhound666> your going to get blown away by my last leftover machine
[03:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> I need a new computer....
[03:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah cant wait to hear the specs *g*
[03:39] <Hellhound666> Compaq 566mhz 64mb ram no cd-rom drives
[03:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> wow...awesome :-)
[03:40] <Hellhound666> I'm thinking about putting windows 3.1, 95 or a really old linux distro on there.
[03:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe yeah
[03:40] <Hellhound666> ahh nm I only have a broken 6gb hdd left over.
[03:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> I used to upgrade some hardware on a compaq desktop once.. (66 MHz it had Windows 3.1 on it) ...it was impossible...
[03:41] <Hellhound666> I had to pull a pin out of it and solder one to my damaged cd-rom drive
[03:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> strange pci/isa cards built in that board...*groan*
[03:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe
[03:42] <Hellhound666> yeah when I had my old packard bell we upgraded from 75mhz to 133mhz.  We thought we were the coolest on the block.
[03:42] <Hellhound666> old compaq are terrible to work on.
[03:42] <jurek_> whoops got a disconnect
[03:42] <Hellhound666> now days you can replace a DVD-R/CD-R drive with one screw
[03:42] <Sychtum> yeah
[03:43] <Hellhound666> It's already tough to find a job and they are making it that easy for people.
[03:43] <Sychtum> I really like my case...its kinda old..but really easy to open
[03:43] <Sychtum> what easy?
[03:44] <Sychtum> sorry I had a siconnect...I missed some
[03:44] <Sychtum> +d
[03:44] <Hellhound666> I remember the time we had to set IRQ's with jumpers.
[03:44] <Sychtum> lol me too
[03:45] <Sychtum> or master/slave jumpers on hdd's
[03:45] <Hellhound666> yeah the old computer I have, the one I was having problems with is easy to work with too bad it's obsolete now.
[03:45] <Sychtum> yeah
[03:45] <Hellhound666> Master/slave jumpers are still used aren't they?
[03:45] <Sychtum> yeah the are
[03:45] <Hellhound666> man my computer keeps freezing for some reason...
[03:46] <Sychtum> but I think they are mostly set on "Bios decides"
[03:46] <Hellhound666> nm I'm good now
[03:46] <Sychtum> sweet
[03:47] <Hellhound666> Well it should be easy to build my dream computer now days then.
[03:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah
[03:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> dont just use the most cheap components...
[03:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> or ram from different vendors...
[03:48] <Hellhound666> oh no if I'm going to build it, it will be the best.  It's going to cost me a lot of money.
[03:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe
[03:48] <Hellhound666> I'll have to save up to buy the best of each part.
[03:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah me too
[03:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> I wanna play CoH in max settings :-)
[03:49] <Hellhound666> I was thinking about Alienware but I think it might be cheaper if I buy the components and build it myself.
[03:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah mostly it is...
[03:49] <Hellhound666> what's CoH?
[03:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> Company of Heroes...
[03:49] <Hellhound666> I looked it up real quick but what's it about?
[03:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> RTS set in WWII setting
[03:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> in multiplayer....well...3 ressources..
[03:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> manpower fuel and munitions
[03:50] <Hellhound666> wow that looks awesome
[03:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah
[03:51] <Hellhound666> like RA2/Generals and such.
[03:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> fun to play..
[03:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah :-)
[03:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> well in CoH you have popcap
[03:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> the more strat points you cap the more popcap..
[03:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> but there is always a limit...
[03:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[03:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> so you could never build bazillions of just one unit
[03:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> *g*
[03:52] <Hellhound666> massive panzer divisions
[03:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah *g*
[03:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> but the engine is really sweet
[03:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> destroyable environment
[03:53] <Hellhound666> oh wait you can't build tons of one unit?  I don't like caps though.
[03:53] <Hellhound666> oh I see
[03:53] <Hellhound666> so they had to set a limit huh
[03:53] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah...
[03:53] <Sachse_Siechtum> I never liked that aspect in C&C
[03:54] <Sachse_Siechtum> "build a huge army of... tesla tanks and overwhelm your enemy"
[03:54] <Hellhound666> ah yeah...
[03:54] <Hellhound666> but they have the same opportunity.
[03:54] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah
[03:54] <Sachse_Siechtum> just..base raids are kinda seldom in CoH...
[03:54] <Hellhound666> well hey I gtg for a little while.  I'm going to mess around with my old comp but I'll be around here and there.
[03:54] <Sachse_Siechtum> alright hf
[03:55] <Hellhound666> see ya in a bit
[03:55] <Sachse_Siechtum> bye :-)
[05:46] <Balsaq> Good Morning to all who reside here in the peaceful, binary rainforest known as .......Xubuntu!
[05:52] <deathcannon> morning
[05:54] <Balsaq> hows it goin deathcannon...whew, quite a nick!
[05:59] <TheCash> I downloaded the moonlight2 theme from xfce-looks.org and put it in /usr/share/Themes, then when I went to settings -> apperance and changed to the theme it looks boxey and the colors are wrong
[06:06] <Sysi> what version of xubuntu?
[06:07] <TheCash> 9.10
[06:08] <Sysi> maybe it has been made to older GTK
[06:09] <Sysi> hmm, it's not that old
[06:11] <TheCash> when I go to Settings -> Window Manager and change the style to moonlight2 It makes the boaders correct
[06:11] <TheCash> but the rest is still wrong
[06:12] <deathcannon> is it just that theme or have you tried others
[06:12] <Sysi> those are handled by different apps
[06:12] <TheCash> I've tried a few others and had the same problem
[06:15] <TheCash> any ideas?
[06:15] <Sysi> it's working for me in lucid
[06:15] <TheCash> I'm thinking about reinstalling and trying agian
[06:15] <TheCash> to get too a clean slat
[06:16] <Sysi> i extracted that .zip folder and then the tarball inside it and put it to ~/.themes
[06:25] <tamran> howdy everyone
[06:25] <tamran> does anyone know about "magnet links" in xfce?
[06:26] <tamran> I've got a torrent program that supports them, but the associations aren't working when I click the link in chrome
[06:26] <tamran> I know it has something to do with "xdg-open" (or the xdg subsystem) ...
[06:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> morning
[06:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmmm I dunno.
[06:29] <deathcannon> tamran: have you set it in chrome then?
[06:30] <tamran> deathcannon: chrome tries to use xdg-open
[06:30] <tamran> deathcannon: I had it all working on a straight ubuntu 9.10 (with transmissionbt 1.91) right out of the box
[06:30] <tamran> deathcannon: I have no idea how to make chrome act differently
[06:31] <tamran> no google search turns up anything fruitful
[06:32] <balvonas> had it working with chrome?
[06:32] <balvonas> i doubt
[06:32] <deathcannon> the problem here is chrome, seems like some other users have the same thing on different distros
[06:33] <tamran> it works in straight ubuntu (gnome) but I'm using xubuntu on this box
[06:33] <Balsaq> does utorrent work in xubuntu?
[06:34] <tamran> Balsaq: probably through wine?
[06:34] <tamran> Balsaq: transmission is quite decent I think
[06:34] <balvonas> Balsaq: transmission supports magnet links, problem is chrome does not
[06:34] <Balsaq> cause i knew zero about it...and it worked for me 1st time in xp pro
[06:34] <tamran> balvonas: but in gnome chrome does it fine out of the box
[06:35] <balvonas> hm
[06:35] <deathcannon> chrome is not in the box so to say
[06:35] <tamran> Balsaq: utorrent on windows is good
[06:35] <Balsaq> gosh if xubuntu can nail this stuff...it will be number one, IMO
[06:35] <tamran> deathcannon: fair enough
[06:35] <tamran> here's a better question ... how do I modify what xdg-open does?
[06:36] <deathcannon> Balsaq: try deluge ;)
[06:36] <Balsaq> what is that
[06:36] <tamran> Balsaq: deluge is another BT client
[06:36] <Balsaq> does it work in xubuntu
[06:36] <balvonas> deluge is a clone of utorrent
[06:37] <balvonas> Balsaq: yes it does
[06:37] <Balsaq> oh good thanks...always tring to bring my xubuntu computer up over my xp and w7
[06:37] <deathcannon> tamran: man xdg-open
[06:37] <tamran> deathcannon: I've read it a couple times ... I am not getting it
[06:37] <tamran> I don't think the docs are complete
[06:39] <tamran> it also doesn't mention how to actually "tweak" what xdg-open does ... and the docs on freedesktop.org don't really explain it either
[06:39] <tamran> I "think" it has something to do with the "helpers.rc" file
[06:53] <tamran> I also looked at (and tried) this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=710780&postcount=6
[06:53] <tamran> but it will only work in gnome I think (since it's gconf)
[06:56] <Balsaq> that hurt a lil....
[07:33] <Balsaq> weclme back 'moose'
[07:33] <Balsaq> welcome....i meant
[07:34] <deathcannon> btw Balsaq, why do you still hang on to windows?
[07:37] <Balsaq> well we have to use it at work all day
[07:40] <deathcannon> i see, that seems to be pretty common
[07:40] <Balsaq> but i do have 5 dedicated linux computers here...and only3 windows
[07:40] <Balsaq> and one mac
[07:41] <Balsaq> not dual boot..all to themself
[07:41] <tamran> Balsaq: it's good to see a full mix ... it keeps one objective :)
[07:41] <Balsaq> helps me learn started late
[07:41] <tamran> I like things about all the different desktops ...
[07:41] <Balsaq> but as soon as i installled xubuntu 904 iwas really into it
[07:42] <Balsaq> 904 was a cool installation
[07:42] <Balsaq> cant give it up...will kepp until they basically forc me out of it
[07:43] <tamran> I agree that 9.04 was where Ubuntu really "got it"
[07:43] <Balsaq> the only thing that lookes funny too me are the desktop icons....hehe
[07:43] <Balsaq> i even like the word xubuntu
[07:43] <Omar87> Hi all.
[07:43] <Balsaq> howdi Omar87
[07:43] <Omar87> For some reason, the screensavers isn't working with me.
[07:44] <Omar87> I leave the machine idle for a long time, and come back to find the screen still on.
[07:44] <Balsaq> power setting have been manipulated a bit?
[07:44] <Omar87> I don't think so, no.
[07:45] <Balsaq> is it an oringinal install with settings as they were
[07:45] <tamran> hi Omar87
[07:45] <Omar87> tamran, hi.
[07:46] <Omar87> Balsaq, yeah, the power settings are intact.
[07:46] <Balsaq> what has changes lately?
[07:47] <Balsaq> rt click on desktop
[07:47] <Balsaq> get into display
[07:48] <Balsaq> just make sure yoy reboot when you adjust it
[07:48] <Omar87> rt?
[07:48] <Balsaq> right click on desktop...trying to remember ,,,on xp now
[07:48] <deathcannon> Omar87: right
[07:49] <Balsaq> or fins diplay in the drop downs
[07:49] <Balsaq> or find i meant
[07:49] <deathcannon> fins :)
[07:52] <Balsaq> omar87, did you by chance have ubuntu and then do the xfce install over it?
[07:53] <Omar87> Balsaq, yes, that's what happened.
[07:53] <Balsaq> uh huh
[07:54] <Balsaq> hmmm
[07:54] <Balsaq> Basically, the newer gnome-screensaver uses gnome-session for the idle timeout. Xubuntu doesn't use gnome-session, so gnome-screensaver doesn't work. Here is the upstream bug report for the issue:
[07:54] <Balsaq> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5927
[07:56] <Balsaq> but then again...i just use the xubuntu 904 all by itself on one computer...and fool around with ubuntu on another one-all by itself....but thats just me.
[07:59] <Balsaq> weclome back 'moose'
[07:59] <Balsaq> 'm00se' i meant
[08:00] <Balsaq> its a long way ...
[08:00] <Balsaq> to the top...
[08:00] <Sysi> ac/dc again?
[08:00] <Balsaq> SYSI!!!!!!!!!!!ytou know ac/dc?
[08:00] <Sysi> ofc
[08:00] <Balsaq> a coder that knows how to rock?
[08:00] <Sachse_Siechtum> hello everyone in the Linux world :-)
[08:01] <Balsaq> i goota jackson electric guitar
[08:01] <Balsaq> an and amp that has software
[08:01] <Sysi> i can't play anything but metal is commonly listened by nerds in finland
[08:01] <Sysi> propably by rest of europe also
[08:01] <Balsaq> who knew?
[08:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> Sysi, I'm from Germany and I second that
[08:02]  * Sachse_Siechtum is geek and metal listener
[08:02] <Balsaq> i thought the nerdy coders of norhtern europe simply ruled the binary kingdom?
[08:02] <Sysi> oldschool geek is thin and has thick glasses and listens techno
[08:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> Sysi, I'm not oldschool...I'm 28 *g*
[08:03] <Sysi> newschool is thick and listens heavy metal
[08:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh....I'm rather...with muscles *g* because I do...ungeeky judo *g*
[08:03] <Sysi> i look like oldschool but otherly i'm new
[08:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah
[08:04] <Balsaq> Sysyi is a thoroughbred
[08:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> *g*
[08:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> but I also played on a c64 when I was 13 :-)
[08:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> *lol* http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/default.aspx
[08:05] <Balsaq> oh no a ctcp version ahhhh
[08:05] <Sysi> btw, we have #xubuntu-offtopic and it's rather dead
[08:06] <Balsaq> what is that
[08:06] <Sysi> now we could fix that!
[08:06] <Balsaq> ok ill shut up
[08:06] <Sachse_Siechtum> this channel is rather dead at times too
[08:07] <Sysi> yeah
[08:08] <Sysi> Sachse_Siechtum: there comes great metal bands from germany
[08:08] <Sachse_Siechtum> Sysi, yeah :-) and from Holland too
[08:08] <Sachse_Siechtum> (loves Epica)
[08:08] <Sachse_Siechtum> the new album from Flowing tears (german) is great :-)
[08:09] <Sachse_Siechtum> nice and heavy
[08:10] <Sysi> but i'm on biology lesson and i should concentrate to that ->
[08:11] <Sachse_Siechtum> Sysi, yeah. Learn biology. Its interesting :-)
[08:11] <Sachse_Siechtum> I love biology :-)
[09:15] <eev2> hi all, I have a problem with my xubuntu: after I installed the latest linux-headers my monitor became so dark i can barely see anything. Can someone please help me?
[09:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> eev2, what graphics card are you using?
[09:17] <Sachse_Siechtum> eev2, maybe this could help you: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-149539.html
[09:17] <eev2> i have nvidia go5200, i had the nvidia-glx-173 package yesterday and i thought that was causing the problem, so i removed it, but still no solution
[09:18] <Sachse_Siechtum> applications > system > Nvidia X server settings do you have that?
[09:19] <eev2> no, i dont
[09:21] <deathcannon> nvdidia-settings from terminal
[09:22] <Sachse_Siechtum> I think there is also a nvidia driver version 185 ..maybe try that one.
[09:22] <eev2> nvidia-settings doesn't run
[09:22] <eev2> does 185 work for my card?
[09:22] <Sachse_Siechtum> just a moment
[09:23] <eev2> let me also say that the monitor is almost black from the very beginning of the boot process, when it shows the dell logo
[09:24] <Sachse_Siechtum> eev2, adjust the gamma directly on your monitor?
[09:25] <Sachse_Siechtum> with the on screen display
[09:25] <Sachse_Siechtum> eev2, are you using crt or tft monitor?
[09:25] <Sachse_Siechtum> (crt: the old bulky ones)
[09:25] <eev2> i don't know how to do that, i have a laptop, i tried the xgamma command: xgamma gamma 1.0 but nothing
[09:25] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah
[09:25] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmmm
[09:27] <deathcannon> does your laptop have function keys for that?
[09:27] <eev2> yes, i tried those too
[09:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> no change?
[09:28] <deathcannon> are you running on your battery?
[09:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> thats odd
[09:29] <deathcannon> or is it plugged in
[09:29] <eev2> right now yes, but i also tried plugged in
[09:29] <deathcannon> could be some weird power-saving thing
[09:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> ( I dont have any experience with laptops..)
[09:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> lemme take a look in the energy managment..
[09:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmm nope
[09:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> just options about standby and timeframes
[09:32] <deathcannon> Sachse_Siechtum: the battery specific options usually dont show unless you're on a laptop
[09:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> deathcannon, I see. Thanks.
[09:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> "Open a terminal window and type: xgamma -gamma 1.136
[09:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> Adjust 1.136 (I think this is default for xgamma) to your liking.
[09:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> Reference (http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/07/2244242) (search for xgamma on the page)"
[09:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> you might try that.
[09:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> or read the info
[09:36] <eev2> didnt work, sorry
[09:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> eev2, did you try different values?
[09:37] <eev2> yes, 1.36, 2, 20 and 200
[09:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> lemme try that...
[09:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> try xgamma -gamma 1.600
[09:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> on my monitor thats REALLY bright
[09:40] <eev2> with the dot?
[09:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> yes
[09:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> the value goes to 1.999
[09:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> or wait
[09:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> argh
[09:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> got xgamma -gamma 3.000 ..really bright
[09:42] <eev2> 1.600 doesn't make it bright but 5 does, but i still cannot distinguish anything (it's just a bright black), 1.999 is also less bright
[09:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> try 10
[09:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> cant barely read the text when I have this setting
[09:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> can
[09:44] <eev2> i have a feeling that it's something with my nvidia drivers bcse when i was updating it was doing something with nvidia but i dont remember what it was (i wasnt paying attention)
[09:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> maybe you lack contrast too
[09:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmm
[09:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> I had the problem once, that my nvidia driver didnt have sudo right to change the settings...
[09:46] <eev2> ok, with higher gamma number it becomes brighter, i can distinguish something but still not good enough
[09:46] <eev2> what is the highest i can put ?
[09:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> eev2,  can you go into detail?
[09:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> try it
[09:47] <eev2> i cannot really read what is on the terminal
[09:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> eev2, I dont wanna try it, because on 10 my screen was barely readable...
[09:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> why not?
[09:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> too dark too bright?
[09:48] <eev2> too dark
[09:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> did it get worse with higher gamma=
[09:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> ?
[09:49] <eev2> no, it got better
[09:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> well type in xgamma gamma 40 ....just go step on step higher til you can clearly read it
[09:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> xgamma -gamma 3.000
[09:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> that is
[09:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> whoops
[09:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> xgamma -gamma 40
[09:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok it goes til 10
[09:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> I just found out
[09:53] <eev2> i was just about to say that
[09:53] <eev2> it doesnt accept values higher than 10
[09:53] <Sachse_Siechtum> eev2, how does it look at your screen?
[09:54] <eev2> i'm still not able to read anyrhing bcse it's too dark
[09:55] <Sachse_Siechtum> do you have a manual for your laptop? there might be something about changing gamma
[09:55] <eev2> you mean from the bios?
[09:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> no. something like a on screen display...but since I dont own a laptop, I dunno if those have one
[09:56] <eev2> no, there isn't something like that, i know this laptop very well
[09:57] <eev2> i think i will try and install the nvidia drivers again, mayby that will fix it
[09:57] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[09:57] <eev2> thanks for your help Sachse
[09:57] <Sachse_Siechtum> you could also try another build on the grub boot menu
[09:57] <Sachse_Siechtum> np
[09:58] <eev2> i will write back if i have a solution
[09:58] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[11:11] <xubuntu> hey, was wondering if anyone uses xubuntu with fluxbox as the window manager.  I'm trying this combination on an old desktop and need a little help getting things the way I'd like
[11:12] <bazhang> I imagine that would be fluxbuntu
[11:12] <Sachse_Siechtum> http://www.fluxbox.org/
[11:13] <Sysi> no if you want only replace xfwm
[11:13] <bazhang> not an official part of ubuntu iirc
[11:13] <xubuntu> I've looked through the wiki at fluxbox.org but can't find the piece of information I'm looking for
[11:13] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[11:14] <xubuntu> specifically, how to stop the fluxbox system tray so that the xfce4-panel notification area can start
[11:14] <xubuntu> when I started xfce4-panel I got an error saying that a notification area was already running
[11:48] <Kangarooo1> hello can anyone tell me how to make terminal show latest errors? like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dogtail/+bug/530064/comments/11 charlie added this file?
[11:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> Kangarooo1, I think it was the dmesg command
[11:53] <Kangarooo> mmm no it looks a litle different but it gave some info of what proces did what
[11:53] <Kangarooo> this is also good but whats that command witch charlie got in that post?
[11:55] <Sachse_Siechtum> couldnt find any other command
[14:40] <hakan> howdy folks, does anyone know if its possible to reinstall pulse audio, I just last audio on a macbook installation for some unknown reason
[15:02] <[BG]ZloboMiR> sudo apt-get install pulse Tab Tab ?
[19:02] <Lupus-SLE> Evening fellow people. I seek computery wisdom. I've got an old PC with an 800MHz AMD Duron and some SiS chipset motherboard which I've put Xubuntu on. I'm having issues with it not shutting down, the last message it gives me is "System halted" but then it stays powered on. Could anybody give any suggestions as to why?
[19:03] <charlie-tca> check the bios and make acpi is enabled
[19:03] <charlie-tca> I think is what it is called
[19:03] <Lupus-SLE> I believe it is
[19:03] <charlie-tca> That is usually a bios setting about power
[19:05] <Lupus-SLE> Yes, it's set to enabled
[19:05] <Lupus-SLE> I could reboot and double check the setting name and value if it'd be some help to you.
[19:06] <Lupus-SLE> I found a similar issue in an ubuntu thread which suggested adding "apm power_off=1" to /etc/modules but it doesn't seem to have worked
[19:07] <Lupus-SLE> modprobe apm returned an error saying the apm module doesn't exist...
[19:09] <Lupus-SLE> Power Management in BIOS is currently set to APM/ACPI
[19:10] <Lupus-SLE> "the one i have now is good tho desktop =/"
[19:10] <Lupus-SLE> Appologies, wrong window on that last message ¬_¬
[19:11] <Lupus-SLE> I'm going to try setting APM and ACPI seperately... see what happens
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Won't help me to double check. That is the only thing I know about this issue.
[19:12] <charlie-tca> I had it happen to me wiht a couple of old systems, one it worked to change bios settings, one it did not.
[19:14] <Lupus-SLE> Buggery...
[19:50] <Lupus-SLE> oooo... a secret is revealed
[19:50] <Lupus-SLE> Apparently the fact the BIOS is 13 years old is an issue
[19:51] <Lupus-SLE> It claims I need to use acpi=force but I've no idea where exactly to put that...
[19:51] <Sysi> xubuntu karmic 9.10?
[19:52] <Lupus-SLE> Indeed
[19:53] <Sysi> /etc/default/grub
[19:56] <Lupus-SLE> Do I just append "acpi=force" to the end of the file?
[19:56] <Lupus-SLE> I notice most the commands in there begin with "GRUB_"
[19:56] <Lupus-SLE> I also get the feeling that sodding this up will ruin my system
[20:03] <Lupus-SLE> Sysi: Input?
[20:03] <Sysi> !grub2
[20:04] <Sysi> there are instructions
[20:04] <Sysi> sorry if i didn't follow this channel for a while
[20:16] <Lupus-SLE> Sysi: I may have misunderstood, I've added acpi=force to the lines GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT and haven't been able to fix the issue ¬_¬
[20:16] <Sysi> then it maybe don't just work or you need to add different thing
[20:18] <Lupus-SLE> It says the cut-off is 2000 and the bios is 1997
[20:19] <Lupus-SLE> But in the BIOS the power is set to ACPI
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Lupus-SLE: you need that on the same place as "quiet splash" just add it before quiet
[20:20] <Lupus-SLE> No, I'm idiot
[20:20] <Lupus-SLE> Ironic how I missed the 'a' there...
[20:20] <Lupus-SLE> I forgot to run grub-update
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I know that one, too. I booted for two days, trying to figure out why my change hadn't taken. Forgot to "update-grub"...
[20:23] <Lupus-SLE> charlie-tca: I don't believe so... otherwise it isn't enabled for recovery mode aswell
[20:23] <charlie-tca> Believe! It doesn't need to be enabled for recovery mode.
[20:23] <Lupus-SLE> It does...
[20:24] <Lupus-SLE> Otherwise how the hell do I shutdown in recovery mode?
[20:24] <Lupus-SLE> I noticed I put it on two lines and it appeared twice for the non-recovery mode items in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:24] <charlie-tca> How often do you boot in recovery mode?
[20:24] <Lupus-SLE> Well... never
[20:25] <Lupus-SLE> rarely
[20:25] <charlie-tca> It is not really the mode to run all the time. If you check the wiki page, it will tell you to where to put it.
[20:25] <Lupus-SLE> But still! D:
[20:25] <Lupus-SLE> It goes in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX
[20:25] <charlie-tca> As often as you use it, is it really too much to shut the power off?
[20:25] <Lupus-SLE> No
[20:26] <Lupus-SLE> However
[20:26] <Lupus-SLE> It's just as much work to put it in the default one only
[20:27] <Lupus-SLE> in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX it's in all linux entries, which is what I want
[20:27] <charlie-tca> okay
[20:28] <Lupus-SLE> And where would we be if we just accepted common faults, eh?
[20:28]  * charlie-tca thinks the answer is "working systems" ?
[20:29] <Lupus-SLE> Nevermind, didn't work anyway
[20:29]  * OmegaPhil is loving XFCE
[20:34] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Lupus-SLE, I would say that Linux gave us the power to customize according to our own SPECIFIC needs. So go customize. :)
[20:35] <tamran> hi guys. I'm having some trouble getting to a network share (dns-323).  I get it fine in Ubuntu or Kubuntu (out of the box) but xubuntu doesn't seem to have the things installed that I need
[20:35] <[BG]ZloboMiR> hmm, is samba server ok?
[20:36]  * charlie-tca thinks Xubuntu is harder to configure. 
[20:36] <[BG]ZloboMiR> tamran, if I were you I would narrow up the differences between ubuntu and xubuntu, and add the missing
[20:37] <tamran> [BG]ZloboMiR: it almost seems to be a good idea to ditch xubuntu and just install xfce from an ubuntu install
[20:37] <[BG]ZloboMiR> still there will be much trash on drive...
[20:37] <[BG]ZloboMiR> just a sec
[20:37] <charlie-tca> If you really think that would be easier to configure...
[20:38] <tamran> [BG]ZloboMiR: yeah, I tried just that and just had too many services fighting with each other
[20:40] <[BG]ZloboMiR> nope, nothing on google
[20:40] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Me away for a movie
[20:56] <Kangarooo> https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BF_ZuEyY0A
[20:56] <Lupus-SLE> As a general question, would you fellow people say there's a significant performance difference by using xubuntu over standard ubuntu?
[20:57] <charlie-tca> Lupus-SLE: almost always depends on the computer hardware
[20:58] <Lupus-SLE> But... generalise for me would you please?
[20:58] <Lupus-SLE> I've got a PC with a 800MHz processor and 512MB of SDRAM
[20:59] <jst> Anyone have a list of changes to Xubuntu 10.04?
[21:00] <jst> Lupus-SLE, you would see some improvement, yes.  Particularly on older hardware... one second.
[21:00] <jst> Running this command from a terminal really sped up GNOME and XFCE for me: echo gtk-menu-popup-delay = 0 >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[21:01] <jst> At least it made it "feel" faster.
[21:02] <charlie-tca> I find on my 400MHz and 866MHz both, Xubuntu is considerably faster.
[21:04] <jst> Yeah, Xubuntu is noticeably faster on my HP Mini 1000.
[21:05] <jst> Lupus-SLE, you could always $ sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ... and see if you like it.
[21:05] <Lupus-SLE> No, it's alright - it was just a general interest question.
[21:06] <Lupus-SLE> This old rust-bucket PC I have is running Xubuntu
[21:06] <Lupus-SLE> I 'might' try xubuntu on my laptop
[21:06] <Lupus-SLE> 1.4GHz Dell Inspiron 1300
[21:06] <Lupus-SLE> But it's not really that slow
[21:06] <Lupus-SLE> Currently with Ubuntu 9.10
[21:07] <jst> Yeah... You could always play with "swapiness" and /etc/init.d/ondemand.
[21:08] <jst> Those seem to have given me the biggest boost in performance.  Also, installing the preload package may speed up loading programs.
[21:14] <charlie-tca> jst: what kind of changes do you mean for Luxid?
[21:14] <charlie-tca> Lucid?
[21:14] <charlie-tca> We do not plan any major application changes, it will mostly be updates to the apps in 9.10
[21:17] <jst> charlie-tca, thanks.
[21:17] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:17] <charlie-tca> Did not mean to ignore you, just missed the question
[21:27] <Kangarooo> can anyone try to join https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BF_ZuEyY0A ?
[21:28] <Kangarooo> i made wave for ubuntu we could try to use it to work collaborativy in real time and results could be posted to wiki if some wiki subject is discused in wave
[21:57] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: Apparently not anything I use
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Is that something like gobby?
[22:00] <knome> Kangarooo, we don't specifically want to use wave, since not everybody will have access to it. we already have irc, the forums, the wiki, the mailing lists and as charlie mentioned, gobby, which does pretty much the same then wave, except when you are finished you have a single document and don't have to awkwardly copy from wave
[22:01] <knome> Kangarooo, on another note, if you'd like to DISCUSS something, feel free to start the discussion in any of the formats mentioned, and ping/point us to that if needed.
[22:05] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: well wave is better then gobby since i dont know where is link to installed gobby witch could be used for ubuntu related things.
[22:05] <Kangarooo> ups . i mean gobby needs to be installed..
[22:05] <knome> Kangarooo, install gobby from the repositories, join gobby.ubuntu.com. again wave is NOT better since it's not available for EVERYBODY.
[22:05] <Kangarooo> wiat ok ill try that
[22:07] <charlie-tca> To use wave, I have to sign up for something. If I am not signed up for it, I can not use it.
[22:07] <charlie-tca> I think I am already over extended on signing up for things
[22:07] <Kangarooo> i think everyone has at least one gmail or google account
[22:08] <Kangarooo> ok i installed gobby tring it now
[22:08] <charlie-tca> But I went to wave. It says I have to sign up for it, now
[22:08] <charlie-tca> I don't think I need to sign up for anything more
[22:09] <knome> and what it comes to gobby, it's not the #1 tool for xubuntu developer communication since we are a quite small team
[22:09] <knome> #xubuntu-devel and the xubuntu-devel mailing list are the most used.
[22:10] <Kangarooo> Woohooo gobby is good. but it needs like folders. couse all docs are showed in one window. also gobby needs to be put in some wiki as tool for collaborating.
[22:11] <knome> Kangarooo, feel free to write a specification for obby and implement. :)
[22:12] <Kangarooo> i hope i will get spirit of reporting bugs back when some of my bug reports finally get fixed. in this week ive got about 15 bugs but reported about 10
[22:13] <charlie-tca> It already is in the wiki. Just use google to search for it
[22:13] <Kangarooo> maybe im just tired for today.
[22:13] <knome> charlie-tca, the folders for obby spec?
[22:14] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: i mean it should be writen about gobby and this gobby.ubuntu.com in https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[22:14] <charlie-tca> No, the part about using gobby for colloborating
[22:15] <knome> charlie-tca, right ;]
[22:15] <charlie-tca> gobby spec probably is blueprinted, too
[23:13] <Kangarooo> knome: here i wrote spec for goby folders https://blueprints.launchpad.net/gobby/+spec/folders
[23:13] <knome> no, that's not really a blueprint.
[23:14] <Kangarooo> :)
[23:14] <knome> that's a sentence.
[23:14] <Kangarooo> but it says all :)
[23:14] <Kangarooo> theres nothing to add
[23:14] <knome> yes, but a blueprint covers the topic like how it could be done
[23:15] <knome> what would be obstacles
[23:16] <Kangarooo> ah ok but for this i dont know how could it be done and wht would be obstacles
[23:16] <knome> https://help.launchpad.net/Blueprint
[23:16] <Kangarooo> how could it be done i cant say it in programming
[23:16] <knome> Kangarooo, please read that page
[23:18]  * Kangarooo will finish that in morning. bye :)
[23:20] <knome> bye