[00:00] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/drkonqi-installdbgsymbols-3.ogv [00:01] Riddell: I think that can go live already, only thing that is missing is proper strings and auto-ddebs-messing [00:02] http://pastebin.ca/1824436 [00:02] apachelogger: cor [00:02] apachelogger: what does it use to install the packages? [00:02] Riddell: install-packages [00:02] install-package [00:02] ah, I see that at the end [00:03] what is auto-ddebs-messing? [00:04] Riddell: telling the user that some dbg packages might not available if ddebs is not activated, and whether they want the application to activate ddebs (in which case it woud add it to the sources.list) [00:05] another option would be to just do this without asking the user and removing it after at_exit [00:05] currently it only tries to lookup -dbgsym [00:07] apachelogger: in that video it installs the -dbg, so does it try to install the -dbg and then try the -dbgsym? [00:09] Riddell: it tries to find $binarypackagename-dbg, if not found it will try -dbgsym, if that does not lead to any results either it will try $sourcepackagename-dbg, and if that still does not return anything it will try -dbgsym [00:09] in the rare case that none of those cases should lead to a result the user will get a notifiacation but can still resume installation [00:10] ooh there's a firefox addon for kwallet integration [00:10] yuriy: interesting [00:11] I wonder if such things could be packaged [00:11] apachelogger: you're a genius [00:12] i searched for kde on the addons site and some interesting things popped up that i'm now trying out [00:12] Riddell: Quintasan even more so, without him the current error messages would only be half as awesome ;) http://imagebin.ca/view/wO5MGIXW.html [00:13] that would be the dialog in case a debug package could not be found [00:13] oh and the best thing is that the lookup happens in a thread, so the UI does not get blocked at any point :D [00:13] a little paranoid about the kwallet one stealing my passwords though [00:14] * apachelogger loves qthread [00:15] yuriy: I think any kde app can read any data form kwallet if it was granted access to the wallet [00:15] * apachelogger would find it better if kwallet would enforce categories and permission would be granted on a per-category basis [00:16] yeah but a) "any" kde app wasn't just downloaded from an untrusted source and b) kwallet asks for permission for every app the first time the app tries to open it, or every time if you say allow once [00:16] so I would have a category for amarok where amarok stores the login data for last.fm et al, if amarok wanted access to my web login data it would have to request the additional permission [00:17] yuriy: say a user adds a bogus ppa and uses our ppas [00:17] quite easily they could get a poisened software in [00:17] by e.g. providing a changed kubuntu-desktop package that depends on the poisoned package [00:18] since we promote to use dist-upgrade with our ppas that upgrade could easily get dragged in [00:19] now say the poisoned package is a kded module -> at next startup it would start and the user would see nothing ... and quite frankly I would supsect that there are the means to even get a fakeish kwallet dialog that says amarok is requesting permission while indeed it is not amarok [00:20] right, i meant (a) specifically on my machine. i think i know where most of my software came from. of course such things can happen to anybody [00:20] once linux is mainstream enough, this will be scary [00:21] if :P [00:22] though not as scary as the fact that I could easily rape your plasma due to the bogus security policy on plasma scripting [00:22] or both combined [00:22] oh my [00:22] :) [00:25] Hmmz, looks like kbuilsycoca dialog is doing its own thing when it could be using KProgressDialog... [00:27] JontheEchidna, Riddell: what should we call that debug package installer? kubuntu-installdbgsymbols? [00:30] apachelogger: kubuntu-debug-installer? [00:32] kubuntu-evil-robot [00:33] http://imagebin.ca/view/DTUN4mlu.html [00:34] kubotu: 8ball shall we call the installer kubuntu-debug-installer? [00:34] * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... the answer is unclear [00:34] meh [00:35] kubotu: if I ask again, is the question going to be clearer? [00:35] hm a clearer question [00:35] * apachelogger should go to bed ^^ [00:35] kubotu: 8ball if I ask again, is the answer going to be clearer? [00:35] * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... all signs point to yes [00:35] kubotu: 8ball shall we call the installer kubuntu-debug-installer? [00:35] * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... the answer is unclear [00:35] -.- [00:36] kubotu: 8ball shall we call the installer kubuntu-evil-robot? [00:36] * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... all signs point to yes [00:36] ah [00:36] JontheEchidna: see :P [00:36] :P [00:44] apachelogger: it all becomes clear when reading kubotu's mask [00:46] it is a bit like 101010 really === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [01:05] apachelogger: that should say "Get off my lawn!" .. "move" is way too proper english [01:05] seele: yeah, already fixed that [01:05] apachelogger: yes! [01:05] it was like 3am when I implemented that error handling ^^ [01:06] * apachelogger notes that it is again 2am ^^ [01:10] JontheEchidna: ~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-debug-installer/trunk/ [01:18] apachelogger: anything else needed to make it work? [01:19] nope [01:19] oh [01:19] cool [01:19] latest revision is ^^ [01:19] JontheEchidna: we could also build kdebase-runtime with a special setting [01:19] or just ln -s to installdbgsymbols.sh [01:19] which is what I just did ;) [01:19] ;) === rdieter is now known as rdieter_ === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [01:24] zomg, it works [01:28] apachelogger: you need to engage in opportunistic blogging [01:28] no, jono doesnt like when I blog [01:28] apaprently there is no point in me blogging when other people already blog [01:28] it's a bit like having a KDE ui for the sake of having a KDE ui [01:32] JontheEchidna: besides, I do only do C++ now :( [01:32] I am no opportunistic dev anymore [01:32] ^that is ironic [01:33] is it now ^^ [01:33] what blog are you complaining about? [01:39] apachelogger: I opportunistically fixed two insignificant Krazy errors [01:39] JontheEchidna: oh, thanks, I was not checking krazy yet [01:39] trying to get meaningful strings [01:39] oh [01:39] hey can you please opportunistically change the them as well :P [01:39] and it seems kmessagebox refuses to scale when the content contains \n\n [01:39] or maybe it refuses to scale altogether [01:40] * apachelogger does opportunistic QA [01:44] hm, soon my keyboard will have no c anymore :( [01:45] ~karma c [01:45] karma for c: 219 [01:45] ~karma gnome [01:45] gnome has neutral karma [01:45] ~karma kde [01:45] karma for kde: 1 [01:45] :D [01:45] JontheEchidna: an opportunistic string revie would be nice [01:45] kk [02:03] apachelogger: oh, I missed your commit so I made strings of my own. :D Yours look better though [02:03] oh my :P [02:04] JontheEchidna: you did actually wanna change my superior strings? :P [02:04] get of my lawn is classic [02:04] :P [02:06] apachelogger: what I would change: http://pastebin.com/GtGrPdbF [02:07] go ahead [02:07] apachelogger: opportunistically pushed [02:08] you are very opportunistic today, maybe you should blog [02:08] opportunistic blogging one might say [02:09] wow you guys aren't going to let opportunistic die are you? [02:09] maybe i should blog about opportunistically writing kubuntu-docs? [02:09] would that help out? [02:09] hehe [02:10] right after I finish my game of buzzword bingo [02:10] jefferai: you would get at least a cookie and a hug for that :) [02:10] ummm was that ment for me apachelogger? [02:10] jjesse: even :) [02:10] jefferai: though you could also blog about opportunistically doing something :) [02:10] what version is open office in lucid? [02:11] or about opportunistically blog again about how our menu buttons can be moved wherever we want them, as opportunistically as we want :) [02:11] !info openoffice.org-core lucid [02:11] openoffice.org-core (source: openoffice.org): full-featured office productivity suite -- arch-dependent files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 27618 kB, installed size 120756 kB (Only available for armel i386 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 amd64 ia64 ppc64 s390x sparc hppa all arm) [02:11] claydoh: nixternal took care of that [02:11] jjesse: 3.2 rc4 is my guess ^^ [02:11] hm [02:11] that is possible? [02:12] sounds completely useless to me [02:12] JontheEchidna: that's what I meant, there were 2 blogs about the gnome buttons, only one for us ;) [02:12] :) [02:12] 2:1, that cant stand [02:13] are we really going to have a release candidate in a long term release? [02:13] jjesse: no [02:13] jjesse: but lucid is not going to be released tomorrow either ;) [02:13] it would be opportunistic for someone to personally tutor me on programming/packaging so I can opportunistically code some fun stuf and opportunistically package it up [02:13] I suppose the plan is to land 3.2.0 before lucid [02:14] yeah it better [02:14] claydoh: that is what opporunistic opportunity week or whats it called is for [02:14] wow claydoh wins for using opportunistic in an opportunsitic programing sentence [02:14] claydoh: that is only focused on python and gnome [02:14] but you know [02:14] opportunity != choice [02:14] wasn't richard going to do pykde? [02:14] as we always say [02:15] a kde ui for the sake of having a kde ui is no good ui and its code should be rm-rf'd [02:15] I can barely and I mean barely figure out the simplest of bash scripts [02:15] claydoh: welcome to my club [02:15] there is another thing [02:15] bash != simple [02:15] but that;'s because I cannot focus on things like I could back in the old days [02:15] go check out my kde-l10n-common script and say bash is simple agian :P [02:15] http://imagebin.ca/view/3IAcVQrg.html [02:15] C is simplier than bash (Well, if you avoid pointers anyway) [02:16] JontheEchidna: remove that silly icon in teh window bar!!! [02:16] ohhhh oh oh oh [02:16] that reminds me [02:16] they make drugs now for so-called adult add :) [02:16] I'm afraid if I blog that peeps will think Kubuntu is going to look like that :P [02:16] * claydoh hates drugs tho [02:16] JontheEchidna: you might wanna google search aseigos blog [02:16] he blogged about a good setup some years ago [02:17] I actually found it very nice at the time [02:17] for window buttons? [02:17] IIRC it also involved a close button on the left hand side or so [02:17] JontheEchidna: yes [02:17] I think I remember that [02:18] you need groundcontorl btw [02:18] that ubuntu dir is a mess :P [02:18] opportunistic branch sorting ftw! [02:20] http://imagebin.ca/view/34fu6dy.html [02:20] haha that looks just like the new theme [02:20] much beta [02:21] wait, window title alignment ain't right [02:21] JontheEchidna: now make your color theme not so silly blueish and we are all set for the new kubuntu theme [02:21] muahaha [02:22] i swear to god, if that shit hits my desktop on an update, I am going to switch to windows [02:22] :P [02:22] i know you asses have something planned for april 1 [02:22] * apachelogger is running windows 7 right now [02:22] apachelogger: I already got the window shadow aubergine [02:22] and it tells me that it is not genuine [02:22] i say we go brown [02:22] no ugly ass unicorn wallpaper and fuzzy bunny theme [02:23] looks indistinguishable from back [02:23] *black [02:23] and we change the name from Kubuntu to "Ubuntu KDE" [02:23] and we put the buttons on the right [02:23] you know [02:23] err, I mean the left [02:23] we should make Kubuntu look like Ubuntu 9.10 for April 1 :) [02:23] that sounds like one of sheldon's classic pranks [02:23] i vote we make them upsdie down [02:24] upside [02:24] and then say "If you don't like the new Ubuntu look, Ubuntu KDE (previously known as Kubuntu), has you covered." :) [02:24] sheldon rocks! [02:25] sounds like an opportunity to do evil things with Plasma javascripting :D [02:25] true [02:25] plasma scripting ftw [02:25] nixternal: indeed he does [02:26] make the icons diagonal across the screen [02:26] JontheEchidna: opportunistic evil things? [02:26] we should start an opportunistic developer channel on ustream...though we have to be careful, would suck to be giving a talk so serious and have this popup under your video -> http://nixternal.com/files/jono.png [02:26] now that is a whole new market really [02:26] apachelogger: is that the only way to do them? [02:26] apachelogger: I walked right in to that one [02:26] opportunistic computer hacking [02:26] muhahaha [02:26] nixternal: wow that looks funny [02:26] apachelogger: install windows, then opportunistically wait [02:26] looks like he does have constipation [02:27] hahaha jjesse it does [02:28] don't bug me i'm pooping [02:28] hahahaha [02:29] heh, I just posted that picture on twitter, and jono's mom is following me :) [02:29] thankfully, she is probably asleep right now [02:29] haha [02:29] i will retweet it [02:29] do that tomorrow morning :) [02:30] oh too late [02:30] http://www.flickr.com/photos/kgelster/4181006489/ <- this should be our wallpaper for lucid [02:31] tahts a really cool pic [02:31] oh man, I bet I get a bunch of ass doctors following me on twitter now after posting that [02:32] yeah, he has amazing photos [02:32] haha [02:32] or ass hunters [02:36] oh dear [02:36] way too late [02:36] * apachelogger goes to bed [02:36] * JontheEchidna pastebins new pic [02:37] http://imagebin.ca/view/EwlIq_Wk.html [02:38] JontheEchidna: i really like how that works, how would i set mine the same? [02:38] hrm [02:39] I took the "kdust" color scheme and modified the selection color to be orange [02:39] kdust theme? [02:40] the color scheme, you should be able to find it via "Get new schemes" in the color config [02:40] actually, let me pastebin the scheme [02:40] hrmm, konversation kind of looks quite nice to me [02:40] but nothing can touch irssi [02:40] yeah it does [02:41] jjesse: http://pastebin.com/itYPpF9p [02:41] jjesse: save that, then import it in the colors config [02:41] and use yakuake already [02:43] http://imagebin.ca/view/sLNrX6kf.html [02:43] heh, everyone seems to be retweeting the constipation post...I am so screwed...here come all of the ass doctors [02:43] JontheEchidna: thanks that makes things so much better [02:44] JontheEchidna: I don't know if I hate that or like that [02:44] I am wondering how much trouble I'd be in if I made a blog with but that single picture [02:46] now if i can get my splash screen to look the same as my login screen [02:46] you need to clean up your ~/ directory...to many files in there [02:47] yeah, I do [02:47] though, I might have to many folders in my ~/ [02:47] wow, this is surreal [02:47] what? [02:48] going around with the humanity icon theme [02:51] hrmm now my system tray doesn't seem to match the rest of things :( [02:54] No one will save you now!!! http://imagebin.ca/view/r8c3o0.html [02:57] woohoo! [02:57] that is worthy of a blog post dude [03:00] that's sweet [03:01] can i copy that one two? [03:01] are you running lucid? [03:01] yeah, I'm on lucid [03:02] where do i change the color of my system tray? [03:02] or the panel? [03:03] that's the normal panel. It's transparent with desktop effects on [03:09] Blue looks... refreshing now. I suppose that's a bad sign [03:10] JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/1jGHbFs.html can you see how i think the part where the application launcher is a lot bluer (brighter)? [03:10] want to make that dark [03:10] I guess you'd have to use a darker plasma theme [03:11] hrmm well need to get work done instead of playing w/ colors :) [03:12] where do i change that plasma theme? [03:12] in the desktop theme details right? [03:13] yeah [03:13] oh well worry about it tomorrow [03:48] apachelogger: http://jmthomas.toniox.org/dbginstaller.ogv [03:48] apachelogger: I think dr. konqi is doing it's automagic reloading a bit too early [04:22] It's never too early to be automagical. [04:26] Then I guess it's not automagic :P [04:26] The problem is that it reloads the backtrace before all of the symbols are installed [04:35] Then speed up those symbols ... [04:35] ;-) [06:21] * jussi01 hi5's nixternal! :D (re: anything but the buttons) [06:21] :D === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [09:10] \o [09:10] o/ === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [09:51] JontheEchidna: oh true true [09:54] that is weird though [09:55] I think we can work around this by outsourcing the call to install-package [09:56] which is of course 100% workaround and 100% dirty [09:56] * apachelogger would much rather have that kpk becomes --noforkable so that it can be used [09:56] because right now the return value of kdesudo is only non-0 if the user denies kdesudo permission, not if install-package fails [09:59] hrm, Im getting dolphin opening the Documents folder when I click on something in the mount notifier - anyone else getting that? [09:59] (instead of opening the mounted drive) [10:00] quite possibly the mount fails [10:00] jussi01: there should be an error message in the status bar of dolphin? [10:01] if not try mounting the partition via dolphin's sidebar directly [10:01] nope, nothing. and it works when I clck it on the sidebar [10:04] then I dont know [10:04] happens with every USB [10:04] tail -f ~/.xsession-errors [10:04] then try to mount and see what the terminal spits out [10:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/389497/ [10:11] plasma-desktop(1502)/plasma Notifier::NotifierDialog::actionActivated: DeviceNotifier:: call Solid Ui Server with params : "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_ede9a02b_a3cb_40a5_abfc_991e49ec2d80" , ("test-predicate-openinwindow.desktop") [10:11] there must be some problem in solid and/or hal [10:11] oterhweise I cant imagine why this would go wrong [10:12] apachelogger: ok, so what do I need to do to facilitate someone being able to look at this properly [10:12] dunno, inspect /var/log/ for something interesting [10:12] jussi01: you are on lucid? [10:12] yes [10:13] als ensure you are up-to-date ;) [10:13] otherwise it is also possible that the ubuntu people broke hal because they do not care and are using inferior crap anyway :P [10:16] yeah, Im up to date [10:26] ah [10:27] JontheEchidna: silly me didnt remember that waitforfinished by default timesout ^^ [10:52] apachelogger: it seems to be a mounting problem - but why does it just work from the sidebar? (if I click the little mount button there then it says cannot mount the disk) [10:52] * jussi01 checks if he enoabled automount on this one... [10:53] no, but I do have mount all removable media on login - could that affect it? [10:53] and automount on attach [10:54] maybe [10:54] jussi01: I really think only the logs in /var/log might shed some light on the real problem [10:55] apachelogger: any particular logs? [10:55] just look at all of them :P [10:55] syslog and kern.log probably will contain hal stuff [10:55] dmesg too [11:06] ugh [11:07] the latest kernel upgrade seems to have broken compositing here [11:07] can't enable it any more [11:07] (Nvidia binary driver) [11:07] Kubuntu 9.10, that is [11:08] aah [11:08] works again :) [11:08] nvm [11:08] was probably because of an X crash I had here [11:09] markey: did you do something to fix it? [11:12] jussi01: no I just enabled it again in systemsettings. first time it failed somehow (screen went black for some seconds), but second time it worked [11:12] not sure what was going on there [11:29] JontheEchidna: I subscribed kubuntu-bugs to dolphin [11:29] loads of untriaged shit there [11:43] JontheEchidna: what do we do with adept bugs? is there an upstream? [11:50] nice: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+KDE+%28Firefox+Theme%29?content=117962 [12:02] there is also an oxygen thunderbird theme: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/57496 [12:04] oh, awesome [12:08] why did mozilla remove personas with non-default theme support in firefox 3.6 :( [12:16] * apachelogger rushes in [12:16] Did anyone see a crash bug passing through? [12:16] Oh dear oh dear [12:16] * apachelogger moves on to #kopete [12:17] apachelogger: :P [12:17] * shadeslayer has loads of bug reports in his mail [12:44] markey: ping: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-March/030380.html [13:08] sometimes launchpad is just limiting [13:11] apachelogger: adept upstream is in uber-barebones maintenance mode at the moment [13:11] so we keep on collecting bugs? [13:18] I guess [13:19] though there's not been a new bug in quite a while === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [13:35] JontheEchidna: what about the existing ones? [13:36] I doubt anyone will poke them [13:38] Probably not. But I suppose they're still valid while adept is in the archive [13:39] Closing the upstreamed ones wouldn't hurt though [13:40] apachelogger: Showed kubuntu-debug-installer to dario andres, a dr. konqi dev and KDE bug triager extraordinare [13:40] He was pleased [13:41] he would be more pleased if I had made it a super abstract lib so that it could be used across distros and stronger bound to drkonqi ;) [13:41] ;) [13:41] JontheEchidna: I fixed the premature exit problem, so I suppose it can be uploaded once Riddell is here to FFe it and admin power it into the archives [13:42] He was depressed that no distros were using it [13:42] now we are [13:42] must blog about that! [13:42] I think Fedora was using it at one point, and they had a konsole popping up to install things [13:43] well [13:43] they probably used the example scripts [13:43] those I do not like for various reasons [13:43] the debian example uses apt-file :P [13:43] I plan on integrating apt-file into the lookupthread :P [13:44] If they were going for universe apps, at least they could have used dlocate [13:44] dpkg-source can be quite slow [13:44] dlocate is speedy [13:44] !info dlocate [13:44] dlocate (source: dlocate): fast alternative to dpkg -L and dpkg -S. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.02 (karmic), package size 22 kB, installed size 168 kB [13:44] never heared of it [13:44] + no need for debconf-prompted index build on first install [13:44] JontheEchidna: ah sweet, does it build a cache like apt-file? [13:44] nope [13:44] or just use a better algorithm :D [13:44] the package description reveals all [13:45] silly dpkg -S feels really really slow [13:45] anyhow [13:45] JontheEchidna: I shall abstract the lookup crap so we can have multiple backends depend on what is installed [13:45] but first get it into the archives ^^ [13:45] * JontheEchidna nods [13:45] JontheEchidna: I have a fancy new way of invalidfinig upstream bugs.... [13:46] JontheEchidna: mail bugno@bugs.launchpad.net with text + _whitespace_status invalid [13:46] kubotu: google email interface launchpad [13:46] Results for email interface launchpad: 1. Launchpad Blog: http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/email-interface-to-code-review | 2. [Launchpad-doc] [Bug 254435] [NEW] Instructions for email ...: http://www.mail-archive.com/launchpad-doc@lists.launchpad.net/msg00424.html [13:46] 3. [Launchpad-doc] [Bug 254435] Re: Instructions for email interface ...: http://www.mail-archive.com/launchpad-doc@lists.launchpad.net/msg00426.html [13:46] Launchpad bug 254435 in launchpad-documentation "Instructions for email interface duplicated" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254435 [13:46] hm [13:46] kubotu: google launchpad bug email interface [13:46] Results for launchpad bug email interface: 1. Launchpad Blog: http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/email-interface-to-code-review | 2. Launchpad 1.2.2: faster PPA builds, enhanced bug subscriptions and ...: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com/msg00155.html | 3. Gmail filters for launchpad bug email [13:46] Bearfruit: http://www.bearfruit.org/blog/2008/11/06/gmail-filters-for-launchpad-bug-email [13:46] well [13:46] JontheEchidna: something like that ;) [13:47] it's in the lp wiki [13:47] anyhow, I just take note of the bugs to close per standard response [13:47] then I have a template in kmail all ready to go, just need to paste the bugno and send [13:47] neat [13:47] which is a bit of a stupid thing, because one has to send one mail per bug [13:48] the parser doesnt seem to like multiple To: addresses [13:48] :( [13:48] and the bulk edit feature does not allow to comment [13:49] but having to press n for each bug, so that a new mail gets generated from the template is still way faster than doing it via launchpad [13:49] yeah [13:49] anyways, gotta go. be back in a bit [14:00] apachelogger: you called? [14:06]