| cjohnston | Can someone please take a look at bug 532633 and confirm that this is now the intended look? | 00:12 |
|---|---|---|
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 532633 in light-themes "[light-theme] please centre window title and order window controls" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532633 | 00:12 |
| bhundven | a quick question about version in changelog. why would package-1.0.0+20100101-1ubuntu1 be newer then package-1.0.1+20100305-1. Is it because of the 1ubuntu1 part at the end? | 00:30 |
| Caesar | bhundven: you can use dpkg --compare-versions to test | 00:30 |
| Caesar | But the answer to your question is yes | 00:30 |
| Caesar | slangasek: Upstart is hurting my brane | 00:33 |
| slangasek | Caesar: oh? | 00:34 |
| Caesar | So I tried to write an upstart job for autofs5 | 00:35 |
| Caesar | But it seems very unreliable | 00:35 |
| Caesar | I can get start and stop to just hang | 00:35 |
| Caesar | I can get upstart to think it's started the process when it's not running, and get all bitter and twisted when I try to stop it when it's already stopped | 00:36 |
| Caesar | I've put my upstart job spec in #533029 | 00:36 |
| slangasek | you probably need a different option for 'expect' | 00:36 |
| bhundven | ah. it wasn't the 1ubuntu1 at the end that was throwing me... it was the 1: before the version that I didn't see before. | 00:37 |
| Caesar | I tried both | 00:37 |
| slangasek | expect fork, expect daemon, expect the-unexpected, etc | 00:37 |
| Caesar | Yeah, I've tried both fork and daemon | 00:37 |
| Caesar | I'm currently getting the unexpected :-) | 00:37 |
| slangasek | does automount have an option to run in the foreground? | 00:37 |
| slangasek | you may have to do that | 00:37 |
| Caesar | Yes, I can try that I guess | 00:37 |
| slangasek | smbd similarly behaves in a way that upstart is unable to trace | 00:37 |
| Caesar | That always strikes me as a crude hack | 00:37 |
| Caesar | It makes me sad that start and stop can just totally hang though | 00:39 |
| cjwatson | FWIW there is an outstanding upstart bug where you can get it permanently into a confused state by the wrong 'expect' value - if you've done that, you'll have to reboot before you can evaluate whether the other setting works | 00:39 |
| Caesar | cjwatson: ok, I'll give it a reboot | 00:39 |
| cjwatson | bug 406397 | 00:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 406397 in upstart "init: job stuck with expect fork/daemon when parent reaps child" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406397 | 00:40 |
| Caesar | Lame-o, automount with -f also wants to log to stderr | 00:41 |
| cjwatson | BTW you have 'if !modprobe ...' which is an error | 00:41 |
| cjwatson | (missing space) | 00:41 |
| Caesar | Gar | 00:42 |
| Caesar | I do love the idea of Upstart | 00:43 |
| Caesar | The jobs are very clean | 00:43 |
| Caesar | I dislike the current inability to have a good handle on what the bootup process is like | 00:43 |
| cjwatson | I've seen job graphs, although I'm not sure what produces them | 00:44 |
| cjwatson | brushing that up might be an interesting way to tackle the problem | 00:44 |
| Caesar | Yes | 00:44 |
| cjwatson | I agree that you have to have a very, very clear idea of the state machine in your head | 00:44 |
| Caesar | Booting with --verbose may help, provided it's logged somewhere | 00:45 |
| cjwatson | mostly ends up in /var/log/syslog, with the possible exception of early stuff | 00:45 |
| cjwatson | I think not absolutely everything is logged, but it's usually enough for the sort of things users would be writing | 00:46 |
| Caesar | I imagine if the PID of the process doesn't match what Upstart's status says it is, I'm in for a world of pain? | 00:46 |
| cjwatson | yeah, it's probably lost track per the bug above and you're toast | 00:47 |
| Caesar | Okay, I'll try the other value of expect after a reboot | 00:47 |
| cjwatson | bit me with ssh a while back | 00:47 |
| Caesar | Did you run it in the foreground to get around it? | 00:48 |
| cjwatson | no | 00:48 |
| cjwatson | I used 'expect fork' rather than 'expect daemon', since the main process only forks once | 00:48 |
| Caesar | That's what I'm trying now post reboot | 00:48 |
| Caesar | \o/ | 00:49 |
| Caesar | I've at least got reality and Upstart to agree | 00:50 |
| Caesar | Yep, that's a winner | 00:50 |
| Caesar | Now if only switching to an upstart job had actually solved the problem I was trying to solve... | 00:50 |
| Caesar | cjwatson: so OpenSSH isn't using Upstart in Lucid? | 01:05 |
| cjwatson | OpenSSH is using Upstart in Lucid | 01:06 |
| Caesar | Hmm | 01:06 |
| cjwatson | $ status ssh | 01:06 |
| cjwatson | ssh start/running, process 999 | 01:06 |
| Caesar | Bah, I'm an idiot, don't mind me | 01:06 |
| cjwatson | you noticed that the init script was still there? | 01:06 |
| Caesar | We're not using Ubuntu's OpenSSH (duh) | 01:06 |
| cjwatson | ah :) | 01:06 |
| Caesar | I'm currently trying to figure out why syslog-ng isn't starting | 01:07 |
| cjwatson | well, you should be able to now ;-) | 01:07 |
| Caesar | No syslog, no logs, makes debugging very hard | 01:07 |
| Caesar | syslog-ng is using old-style init scripts though | 01:07 |
| cjwatson | I thought you guys were using rsyslog | 01:07 |
| Caesar | Not at the current time | 01:08 |
| Caesar | We've always used syslog-ng | 01:08 |
| Caesar | I've yet to investigate the feasibility of switching to rsyslog | 01:08 |
| Caesar | But the fact that syslog-ng isn't even starting for me is helping expedite that | 01:08 |
| Caesar | Ooh, I wonder if it's also network related | 01:11 |
| Caesar | It may be throwing up its hands because it can't resolve the remote host it's being told to log to | 01:12 |
| * Caesar gets to write another upstart job | 01:12 | |
| RoAkSoAx | cjwatson, what are -p, -i, or -a in dh_apport? | 01:14 |
| cjwatson | RoAkSoAx: same as in any other debhelper command, I guess? | 01:15 |
| slangasek | RoAkSoAx: debhelper(7) | 01:15 |
| cjwatson | select the set of packages to operate on in various ways | 01:15 |
| RoAkSoAx | ok thanks | 01:17 |
| RoAkSoAx | and where hsould it be placed? dh_install? | 01:17 |
| RoAkSoAx | i mean | 01:17 |
| RoAkSoAx | install rule | 01:17 |
| RoAkSoAx | or when overriding a dh_install for example? | 01:17 |
| cjwatson | normally binary-{arch,indep} | 01:17 |
| cjwatson | if you're using dh(1), you don't need to do anything | 01:17 |
| cjwatson | well, you do | 01:17 |
| cjwatson | but you just need to do 'dh --with apport $@' | 01:17 |
| cjwatson | see openssh for an example of doing it manually | 01:18 |
| RoAkSoAx | cjwatson, awesome thanks!! | 01:18 |
| cjwatson | and you can run (e.g.) 'dh --with apport --no-act binary' in a package's working tree to get the canonical command sequence, though not broken up by debian/rules target. though in most cases you don't want to call all of them and the ordering between dh_installdocs down to dh_link (or thereabouts) usually doesn't matter much | 01:20 |
| RoAkSoAx | ok :) | 01:23 |
| * Keybuk wonders how long he should let update-manager calculate the upgrade to lucid before killing it | 01:26 | |
| LaserJock | perhaps it's gotten a little debianified, "you'll get your new release when it's ready" | 01:27 |
| * Caesar <3 how easy it easy to write upstart jobs | 01:38 | |
| Caesar | (once you know the event names) | 01:38 |
| Keybuk | ooh, finally, update-manager is on its awy | 02:00 |
| jdong | pitti: did I ever tell you how much I love you? [thanks for vmmouse lucid magic!] :) | 02:03 |
| jdong | and *giggles* plymouth just gave me the fedora-esque blue stripes racing across the screen bootsplash... confused me for a moment as to which VM I started. | 02:06 |
| === Jon is now known as Guest51790 | ||
| Caesar | Are there any plans to make Plymouth do something useful with nvidia graphics for 10.04? | 02:15 |
| alabd | good day all | 04:42 |
| alabd | for pkg in *deb ; do <what should be here?> "$pkg" && mv "$pkg" Karmic || mv "$pkg" Jaunty ; done | 04:42 |
| alabd | <what should be here?> = a command that returns 0 for juanty 1 for others .....such thing ? | 04:43 |
| alabd | do you know such command ? | 04:43 |
| === dottedma1 is now known as dottedmag | ||
| mtx_init | are there any hellanzb devs in here? | 07:35 |
| geser | slangasek: Could you please tag the new ubuntu-dev-tools upload in bzr. Thanks | 07:55 |
| slangasek | geser: hmm, yes - pushed now | 07:57 |
| slangasek | (well, pushing) | 07:57 |
| dehqan | there is a folder containing jaunty and karmic packages how to separate the jaunty packages from the karmic packages? | 08:13 |
| lifeless | dehqan: you can look at the changelog in the package, though its not guaranteedd for packages that haven't been uploaded again | 08:19 |
| lifeless | dehqan: generally speaking you need the Packages file to sort that out | 08:20 |
| dehqan | ok they are in /var/cahce/apt/archives | 08:21 |
| dehqan | how to sort that out ? | 08:21 |
| lifeless | This is a channel for development of ubuntu itself. We direct people to #ubuntu for support questions | 08:21 |
| dehqan | you should asked it there some time but no proper answer | 08:30 |
| dehqan | lifeless: ^ | 08:31 |
| dehqan | anyway thanks | 08:37 |
| tjaalton | so the music store should be availble in finland? rb just says "coming soon" | 08:56 |
| emgent | Riddell, ping. | 08:57 |
| lifeless | cjwatson: ping; wondering if you know anything about the mini.img in the ubuntu-installer dir of a.u.c : it doesn't seem to have the ath9k driver in it. | 09:10 |
| dehqan | there is a folder containing jaunty and karmic packages how to separate the jaunty packages from the karmic packages? packges in .deb format in /var/cache/apt/archives | 09:32 |
| sebner | Please tell me that there is a gconf value for the changing the windows controls back (from the left to the right) or /me waves goodbye | 11:23 |
| elleuca | could someone test if patch to bug #436887 is fine? | 11:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 436887 in indicator-session "Log out, shutdown and reboot confirmation alerts don't follow GNOME HIG" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/436887 | 11:43 |
| persia | sebner: There is. | 11:46 |
| * sebner hugs persia and calls him a god | 11:46 | |
| persia | sebner: By the tenets of the religion I impose on my believers, it is blasphemy to imply that I have deistic properties. | 11:48 |
| sebner | hahaha | 11:48 |
| sebner | persia: now, would you mind telling me how to fix this "ohmy!" thing? | 11:48 |
| persia | grep the logs for the past 48 hours for gconf. Flip that setting. | 11:49 |
| persia | (this channel) | 11:49 |
| * sebner greps | 11:49 | |
| sebner | persia: I flipped the colon but it's still not working (did a X-restart) | 12:06 |
| persia | sebner: You have as much information as I then. | 12:06 |
| sebner | persia: heh, at least I hope whoever did this upload, did this change by accident. If not .... | 12:07 |
| Ng | there are many blog posts about how to move the window controls back to the right, check Planet Ubuntu | 12:09 |
| persia | sebner: I believe there exists a bug about it. you can also select a different theme. | 12:09 |
| sebner | persia: Well, I'm not using standard-theme anyways | 12:09 |
| sebner | Ng: grr, I already did the change proposed but it magically happens *not* | 12:11 |
| * sebner kicks his XServer once again | 12:12 | |
| sebner | Woo, it's now on the right side but I want maximize in the middle which is not working xD | 12:14 |
| sebner | interesting, restarting Xserver a hundred times and doing the change over and over again in gconf (resets somehow) fixed it for me xD | 12:17 |
| fmarl | elleuca, your patch doesn't apply cleanly against indicator-session package in lucid? | 12:35 |
| mdeslaur | ccheney: I've backported GtkStatusIcon support to lucid's pidgin to fix the tray icon transparency. If you could try it, out of my "testing" PPA, that would be great. | 13:36 |
| mdeslaur | After a couple of people test it, I'll see if anyone minds if I upload it. | 13:37 |
| mdeslaur | Same with liferea | 13:37 |
| elleuca | fmarl, dunno, I simply wrote it, but currently I've not time to test is; it seems fine to me... | 14:28 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: live CDs not booting today, at least on virtualbox, so can't test installer | 14:49 |
| cjwatson | odd, I'll take a look at some point | 14:52 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| dehqan | we have list of packages with their version how to know if one package is from jaunty repo or karmic repo , for example a package with version of 1:1.10.2-2ubuntu7 | 18:01 |
| crimsun | apt-cache policy foo | 18:01 |
| crimsun | (foo is the binary package name) | 18:01 |
| crimsun | if you want to poll LP directly, use rmadison | 18:02 |
| dehqan | crimsun: no package name package address like /ddf/dfdf/ds.deb | 18:07 |
| geser | try the package name not the filename | 18:09 |
| geser | so you have only the filename and not the package name? | 18:10 |
| dehqan | geser: yes | 18:10 |
| dehqan | a folder with packages | 18:10 |
| geser | dpkg-deb -I filename.deb | grep Package | 18:11 |
| geser | perhaps some sed too to get the package name of a file | 18:11 |
| geser | and if a package didn't change between jaunty and karmic, the same version can be in both | 18:12 |
| dehqan | geser: no dpkg-deb -I | 18:14 |
| dehqan | dpkg-deb: unknown option -l | 18:15 |
| geser | -I (big i) | 18:15 |
| crimsun | (use a better font! ;-) | 18:15 |
| * jdong prepares to break his machine with the help of btrfs... again... | 18:16 | |
| dehqan | geser: no ubuntu version in info | 18:17 |
| dehqan | geser: ok now we have package name and apt-cache policy gives 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages | 18:22 |
| dehqan | that's nice now imagine a folder with a packages how to seprate jaunty packages from them ? | 18:22 |
| ikonia | dehqan: this is not a support channel | 18:26 |
| ccheney | mdeslaur: it worked | 18:42 |
| cjwatson | dehqan: there is in general *no way*. as you've been told, it's perfectly possible for the same package to be in both jaunty and karmic. you are supposed to track this separately, not by examining the .deb files. | 18:59 |
| cjwatson | dehqan: the .changes file has a Distribution file that says where the package was originally uploaded. (if you've thrown that file away, well ...) | 19:01 |
| cjwatson | *Distribution field | 19:01 |
| T` | anyone here know much about upstart? | 19:29 |
| T` | start on interface-up br0 <-- wondering if this is supposed to work | 19:30 |
| slangasek | T`: not with that syntax, no | 19:56 |
| slangasek | T`: 'start on net-device-up IFACE=br0' would be the right syntax | 19:57 |
| bluefoxicy | rhythmbox "add to musicbrainz" opens a web browser with a web page that's unhelpful | 20:03 |
| bluefoxicy | it doesn't even open it to a filled-in form with all the information Rhythmbox has (it has all the track titles for the CD) | 20:04 |
| slangasek | geser: hmm, so, clarification: debcommit uses the same implementation of the changelog bug parser as dpkg-dev when generating the --fixes args to bzr, so I guess you just weren't using debcommit? | 20:08 |
| slangasek | geser: (bzr itself doesn't attempt to parse changelogs, dunno what I was thinking when I said that) | 20:09 |
| dehqan | cjwatson: where is .changes file ? | 20:13 |
| cjwatson | dehqan: it's generated alongside the .deb files when building packages in the normal way | 20:16 |
| dehqan | how to read it ? cjwatson | 20:17 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: there's a plugin somewhere that makes bzr ci pick it up from the changelog I think ... | 20:17 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: oh? even when not using debcommit? | 20:17 |
| cjwatson | dehqan: please use your initiative and look at the file; if you'd looked at it, you wouldn't need to ask | 20:17 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: I believe so. not in a place where I can check just now | 20:18 |
| dehqan | cjwatson: thanks | 20:45 |
| geser | slangasek: I used "bzr ci --fixes lp:xxx". Is that wrong? | 21:15 |
| less1 | Hi, I am looking for someone who is working on ubuntu boot process to fire few question, may I know where I can find them? | 21:16 |
| slangasek | geser: huh, that's right... so ... ignore me, I guess | 21:16 |
| slangasek | geser: apparently I don't know what I'm talking about :) | 21:16 |
| geser | slangasek: I see only that this makes LP add a link to the branch with the commit (here ubuntu-dev-tools trunk) but doesn't update the bug status or add a comment. I usually add a comment with the revision, so it later easily to spot which rev contains the fix (e.g. for backporting for a SRU). | 21:21 |
| slangasek | geser: ack | 21:21 |
| geser | slangasek: you don't have by chance some time to review and sponsor bug #509900? | 21:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 509900 in vim "Merge vim 2:7.2.330-1 from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509900 | 21:25 |
| sistpoty | lamont: if you have some spare time, fpc needs bootstrapping on armel and powerpc | 21:56 |
| sistpoty | (not too high priority though) | 21:57 |
| slangasek | geser: new upstream version, no FFe needed? Could you document why in the bug? | 22:27 |
| slangasek | geser: also, I don't suppose you'd want to do that as a bzr branch I can just pull into lp:ubuntu/vim? | 22:28 |
| slangasek | (i.e., merge lp:debian/vim, push somewhere, etc) | 22:28 |
| cjwatson | merging lp:debian/vim ran into hideous bzr problems | 22:29 |
| cjwatson | been there done that :( | 22:29 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: drat | 22:32 |
| geser | slangasek: do the additional (upstream) patches count as a new upstream version? it's still version 7.2 but with the collected patches till patch 330 | 22:42 |
| geser | and I tried to get it reviewed before FFe but cjwatson told me that there is no hurry as it won't need a FFe | 22:42 |
| geser | but I can add the missing bits if needed | 22:42 |
| sistpoty | asac: mind sharing some wisdom for FFe bug #482890? | 22:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 482890 in mozilla-noscript "Please sync mozilla-noscript 1.9.9.27-1 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482890 | 22:43 |
| cjwatson | I don't remember saying that in particular, though it's possible that I did | 22:43 |
| cjwatson | I may have said that I didn't think it would be a major problem, or something | 22:44 |
| geser | you might be right, don't remember your exact wording | 22:44 |
| sistpoty | hm, anyone got a clue why this is a FTBFS (build log says it built fine!): http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40376516/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.mksh_39.3-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 23:13 |
| slangasek | sistpoty: the problem is detailed at the bottom of the log file... | 23:15 |
| sistpoty | slangasek: you mean the conftest pointer conversion? | 23:15 |
| slangasek | yes | 23:16 |
| wgrant | I thought that was now meant to be non-fatal except on ia64. | 23:16 |
| * wgrant checks. | 23:16 | |
| slangasek | wgrant: eh? amd64 has the same issue, and it certainly shouldn't be given a pass there | 23:17 |
| slangasek | (now in this case it's a false positive since the error comes from a check for the *existence* of this function) | 23:17 |
| wgrant | Ah, right, it's only definitely going to break on ia64, but might still break on amd64. | 23:18 |
| slangasek | it's always a bug on both ia64 and amd64, it just won't always strike on amd64 | 23:18 |
| slangasek | which, if anything, makes it harder to track down after the fact | 23:19 |
| wgrant | Right. | 23:19 |
| sistpoty | so how can I work around the broken buildds? | 23:21 |
| slangasek | sistpoty: the test case that's throwing this error should be rewritten to include its own strcasestr prototype | 23:22 |
| sistpoty | slangasek: ok, thanks for the hint | 23:23 |
| slangasek | (or upstream could use autoconf, which doesn't have this problem...) | 23:23 |
| crypt-0 | does kcryptd support SMP? | 23:24 |
| slangasek | geser: vim> well, it's packaged with a new upstream version number; I'm not familiar with the versioning on this package, but the main point is whether it includes new features or not | 23:31 |
| jdong | in non-KMS-mode, is the fedora-like plymouth bootsplash intended? | 23:38 |
| cjwatson | jdong: not according to bug 526892 | 23:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 526892 in plymouth "No graphical splash on VGA16fb, plymouth uses fallback blue ASCII progress bar" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526892 | 23:39 |
| jdong | cjwatson: ah, thank you. Kind of feels like booting Fedora for a moment until *boom* purple :) | 23:40 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!