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cjohnstonCan someone please take a look at bug 532633 and confirm that this is now the intended look?00:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 532633 in light-themes "[light-theme] please centre window title and order window controls" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53263300:12
bhundvena quick question about version in changelog. why would package-1.0.0+20100101-1ubuntu1 be newer then package-1.0.1+20100305-1. Is it because of the 1ubuntu1 part at the end?00:30
Caesarbhundven: you can use dpkg --compare-versions to test00:30
CaesarBut the answer to your question is yes00:30
Caesarslangasek: Upstart is hurting my brane00:33
slangasekCaesar: oh?00:34
CaesarSo I tried to write an upstart job for autofs500:35
CaesarBut it seems very unreliable00:35
CaesarI can get start and stop to just hang00:35
CaesarI can get upstart to think it's started the process when it's not running, and get all bitter and twisted when I try to stop it when it's already stopped00:36
CaesarI've put my upstart job spec in #53302900:36
slangasekyou probably need a different option for 'expect'00:36
bhundvenah. it wasn't the 1ubuntu1 at the end that was throwing me... it was the 1: before the version that I didn't see before.00:37
CaesarI tried both00:37
slangasekexpect fork, expect daemon, expect the-unexpected, etc00:37
CaesarYeah, I've tried both fork and daemon00:37
CaesarI'm currently getting the unexpected :-)00:37
slangasekdoes automount have an option to run in the foreground?00:37
slangasekyou may have to do that00:37
CaesarYes, I can try that I guess00:37
slangaseksmbd similarly behaves in a way that upstart is unable to trace00:37
CaesarThat always strikes me as a crude hack00:37
CaesarIt makes me sad that start and stop can just totally hang though00:39
cjwatsonFWIW there is an outstanding upstart bug where you can get it permanently into a confused state by the wrong 'expect' value - if you've done that, you'll have to reboot before you can evaluate whether the other setting works00:39
Caesarcjwatson: ok, I'll give it a reboot00:39
cjwatsonbug 40639700:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 406397 in upstart "init: job stuck with expect fork/daemon when parent reaps child" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40639700:40
CaesarLame-o, automount with -f also wants to log to stderr00:41
cjwatsonBTW you have 'if !modprobe ...' which is an error00:41
cjwatson(missing space)00:41
CaesarGar00:42
CaesarI do love the idea of Upstart00:43
CaesarThe jobs are very clean00:43
CaesarI dislike the current inability to have a good handle on what the bootup process is like00:43
cjwatsonI've seen job graphs, although I'm not sure what produces them00:44
cjwatsonbrushing that up might be an interesting way to tackle the problem00:44
CaesarYes00:44
cjwatsonI agree that you have to have a very, very clear idea of the state machine in your head00:44
CaesarBooting with --verbose may help, provided it's logged somewhere00:45
cjwatsonmostly ends up in /var/log/syslog, with the possible exception of early stuff00:45
cjwatsonI think not absolutely everything is logged, but it's usually enough for the sort of things users would be writing00:46
CaesarI imagine if the PID of the process doesn't match what Upstart's status says it is, I'm in for a world of pain?00:46
cjwatsonyeah, it's probably lost track per the bug above and you're toast00:47
CaesarOkay, I'll try the other value of expect after a reboot00:47
cjwatsonbit me with ssh a while back00:47
CaesarDid you run it in the foreground to get around it?00:48
cjwatsonno00:48
cjwatsonI used 'expect fork' rather than 'expect daemon', since the main process only forks once00:48
CaesarThat's what I'm trying now post reboot00:48
Caesar\o/00:49
CaesarI've at least got reality and Upstart to agree00:50
CaesarYep, that's a winner00:50
CaesarNow if only switching to an upstart job had actually solved the problem I was trying to solve...00:50
Caesarcjwatson: so OpenSSH isn't using Upstart in Lucid?01:05
cjwatsonOpenSSH is using Upstart in Lucid01:06
CaesarHmm01:06
cjwatson$ status ssh01:06
cjwatsonssh start/running, process 99901:06
CaesarBah, I'm an idiot, don't mind me01:06
cjwatsonyou noticed that the init script was still there?01:06
CaesarWe're not using Ubuntu's OpenSSH (duh)01:06
cjwatsonah :)01:06
CaesarI'm currently trying to figure out why syslog-ng isn't starting01:07
cjwatsonwell, you should be able to now ;-)01:07
CaesarNo syslog, no logs, makes debugging very hard01:07
Caesarsyslog-ng is using old-style init scripts though01:07
cjwatsonI thought you guys were using rsyslog01:07
CaesarNot at the current time01:08
CaesarWe've always used syslog-ng01:08
CaesarI've yet to investigate the feasibility of switching to rsyslog01:08
CaesarBut the fact that syslog-ng isn't even starting for me is helping expedite that01:08
CaesarOoh, I wonder if it's also network related01:11
CaesarIt may be throwing up its hands because it can't resolve the remote host it's being told to log to01:12
* Caesar gets to write another upstart job01:12
RoAkSoAxcjwatson, what are -p, -i, or -a in dh_apport?01:14
cjwatsonRoAkSoAx: same as in any other debhelper command, I guess?01:15
slangasekRoAkSoAx: debhelper(7)01:15
cjwatsonselect the set of packages to operate on in various ways01:15
RoAkSoAxok thanks01:17
RoAkSoAxand where hsould it be placed? dh_install?01:17
RoAkSoAxi mean01:17
RoAkSoAxinstall rule01:17
RoAkSoAxor when overriding a dh_install for example?01:17
cjwatsonnormally binary-{arch,indep}01:17
cjwatsonif you're using dh(1), you don't need to do anything01:17
cjwatsonwell, you do01:17
cjwatsonbut you just need to do 'dh --with apport $@'01:17
cjwatsonsee openssh for an example of doing it manually01:18
RoAkSoAxcjwatson, awesome thanks!!01:18
cjwatsonand you can run (e.g.) 'dh --with apport --no-act binary' in a package's working tree to get the canonical command sequence, though not broken up by debian/rules target.  though in most cases you don't want to call all of them and the ordering between dh_installdocs down to dh_link (or thereabouts) usually doesn't matter much01:20
RoAkSoAxok :)01:23
* Keybuk wonders how long he should let update-manager calculate the upgrade to lucid before killing it01:26
LaserJockperhaps it's gotten a little debianified, "you'll get your new release when it's ready"01:27
* Caesar <3 how easy it easy to write upstart jobs01:38
Caesar(once you know the event names)01:38
Keybukooh, finally, update-manager is on its awy02:00
jdongpitti: did I ever tell you how much I love you? [thanks for vmmouse lucid magic!] :)02:03
jdongand *giggles* plymouth just gave me the fedora-esque blue stripes racing across the screen bootsplash... confused me for a moment as to which VM I started.02:06
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CaesarAre there any plans to make Plymouth do something useful with nvidia graphics for 10.04?02:15
alabdgood day all04:42
alabdfor pkg in *deb ; do <what should be here?> "$pkg" && mv "$pkg" Karmic || mv "$pkg" Jaunty ; done04:42
alabd<what should be here?> =  a command that returns 0 for juanty 1 for others .....such thing ?04:43
alabddo you know such command ?04:43
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mtx_initare there any hellanzb devs in here?07:35
geserslangasek: Could you please tag the new ubuntu-dev-tools upload in bzr. Thanks07:55
slangasekgeser: hmm, yes - pushed now07:57
slangasek(well, pushing)07:57
dehqanthere is a folder containing jaunty and karmic packages how to separate the jaunty packages from the karmic packages?08:13
lifelessdehqan: you can look at the changelog in the package, though its not guaranteedd for packages that haven't been uploaded again08:19
lifelessdehqan: generally speaking you need the Packages file to sort that out08:20
dehqanok they are in /var/cahce/apt/archives08:21
dehqanhow to sort that out ?08:21
lifelessThis is a channel for development of ubuntu itself. We direct people to #ubuntu for support questions08:21
dehqanyou should asked it there some time but no proper answer08:30
dehqanlifeless: ^08:31
dehqananyway thanks08:37
tjaaltonso the music store should be availble in finland? rb just says "coming soon"08:56
emgentRiddell, ping.08:57
lifelesscjwatson: ping; wondering if you know anything about the mini.img in the ubuntu-installer dir of a.u.c : it doesn't seem to have the ath9k driver in it.09:10
dehqan there is a folder containing jaunty and karmic packages how to separate the jaunty packages from the karmic packages? packges in .deb format in /var/cache/apt/archives09:32
sebnerPlease tell me that there is a gconf value for the changing the windows controls back (from the left to the right) or /me waves goodbye11:23
elleucacould someone test if patch to bug #436887 is fine?11:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 436887 in indicator-session "Log out, shutdown and reboot confirmation alerts don't follow GNOME HIG" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43688711:43
persiasebner: There is.11:46
* sebner hugs persia and calls him a god11:46
persiasebner: By the tenets of the religion I impose on my believers, it is blasphemy to imply that I have deistic properties.11:48
sebnerhahaha11:48
sebnerpersia: now, would you mind telling me how to fix this "ohmy!" thing?11:48
persiagrep the logs for the past 48 hours for gconf.  Flip that setting.11:49
persia(this channel)11:49
* sebner greps11:49
sebnerpersia: I flipped the colon but it's still not working (did a X-restart)12:06
persiasebner: You have as much information as I then.12:06
sebnerpersia: heh, at least I hope whoever did this upload, did this change by accident. If not ....12:07
Ngthere are many blog posts about how to move the window controls back to the right, check Planet Ubuntu12:09
persiasebner: I believe there exists a bug about it.  you can also select a different theme.12:09
sebnerpersia: Well, I'm not using standard-theme anyways12:09
sebnerNg: grr, I already did the change proposed but it magically happens *not*12:11
* sebner kicks his XServer once again12:12
sebnerWoo, it's now on the right side but I want maximize in the middle which is not working xD12:14
sebnerinteresting, restarting Xserver a hundred times and doing the change over and over again in gconf (resets somehow) fixed it for me xD12:17
fmarlelleuca, your patch doesn't apply cleanly against indicator-session package in lucid?12:35
mdeslaurccheney: I've backported GtkStatusIcon support to lucid's pidgin to fix the tray icon transparency. If you could try it, out of my "testing" PPA, that would be great.13:36
mdeslaurAfter a couple of people test it, I'll see if anyone minds if I upload it.13:37
mdeslaurSame with liferea13:37
elleucafmarl, dunno, I simply wrote it, but currently I've not time to test is; it seems fine to me...14:28
Riddellcjwatson: live CDs not booting today, at least on virtualbox, so can't test installer14:49
cjwatsonodd, I'll take a look at some point14:52
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dehqanwe have list of packages with their version how to know if one package is from jaunty repo or karmic repo , for example a package with version of 1:1.10.2-2ubuntu718:01
crimsunapt-cache policy foo18:01
crimsun(foo is the binary package name)18:01
crimsunif you want to poll LP directly, use rmadison18:02
dehqancrimsun: no package name package address like /ddf/dfdf/ds.deb18:07
gesertry the package name not the filename18:09
geserso you have only the filename and not the package name?18:10
dehqangeser:  yes18:10
dehqana folder with packages18:10
geserdpkg-deb -I filename.deb | grep Package18:11
geserperhaps some sed too to get the package name of a file18:11
geserand if a package didn't change between jaunty and karmic, the same version can be in both18:12
dehqangeser:  no dpkg-deb -I18:14
dehqandpkg-deb: unknown option -l18:15
geser-I (big i)18:15
crimsun(use a better font! ;-)18:15
* jdong prepares to break his machine with the help of btrfs... again...18:16
dehqangeser:  no ubuntu version in info18:17
dehqangeser:  ok now we have package name and apt-cache policy gives         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages18:22
dehqan that's nice now imagine a folder with a packages how to seprate jaunty packages from them ?18:22
ikoniadehqan: this is not a support channel18:26
ccheneymdeslaur: it worked18:42
cjwatsondehqan: there is in general *no way*.  as you've been told, it's perfectly possible for the same package to be in both jaunty and karmic.  you are supposed to track this separately, not by examining the .deb files.18:59
cjwatsondehqan: the .changes file has a Distribution file that says where the package was originally uploaded.  (if you've thrown that file away, well ...)19:01
cjwatson*Distribution field19:01
T`anyone here know much about upstart?19:29
T`start on interface-up br0  <-- wondering if this is supposed to work19:30
slangasekT`: not with that syntax, no19:56
slangasekT`: 'start on net-device-up IFACE=br0' would be the right syntax19:57
bluefoxicyrhythmbox "add to musicbrainz" opens a web browser with a web page that's unhelpful20:03
bluefoxicyit doesn't even open it to a filled-in form with all the information Rhythmbox has (it has all the track titles for the CD)20:04
slangasekgeser: hmm, so, clarification: debcommit uses the same implementation of the changelog bug parser as dpkg-dev when generating the --fixes args to bzr, so I guess you just weren't using debcommit?20:08
slangasekgeser: (bzr itself doesn't attempt to parse changelogs, dunno what I was thinking when I said that)20:09
dehqancjwatson: where is .changes file ?20:13
cjwatsondehqan: it's generated alongside the .deb files when building packages in the normal way20:16
dehqanhow to read it ? cjwatson20:17
cjwatsonslangasek: there's a plugin somewhere that makes bzr ci pick it up from the changelog I think ...20:17
slangasekcjwatson: oh?  even when not using debcommit?20:17
cjwatsondehqan: please use your initiative and look at the file; if you'd looked at it, you wouldn't need to ask20:17
cjwatsonslangasek: I believe so.  not in a place where I can check just now20:18
dehqancjwatson: thanks20:45
geserslangasek: I used "bzr ci --fixes lp:xxx". Is that wrong?21:15
less1Hi, I am looking for someone who is working on ubuntu boot process to fire few question, may I know where I can find them?21:16
slangasekgeser: huh, that's right... so ... ignore me, I guess21:16
slangasekgeser: apparently I don't know what I'm talking about :)21:16
geserslangasek: I see only that this makes LP add a link to the branch with the commit (here ubuntu-dev-tools trunk) but doesn't update the bug status or add a comment. I usually add a comment with the revision, so it later easily to spot which rev contains the fix (e.g. for backporting for a SRU).21:21
slangasekgeser: ack21:21
geserslangasek: you don't have by chance some time to review and sponsor bug #509900?21:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 509900 in vim "Merge vim 2:7.2.330-1 from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50990021:25
sistpotylamont: if you have some spare time, fpc needs bootstrapping on armel and powerpc21:56
sistpoty(not too high priority though)21:57
slangasekgeser: new upstream version, no FFe needed?  Could you document why in the bug?22:27
slangasekgeser: also, I don't suppose you'd want to do that as a bzr branch I can just pull into lp:ubuntu/vim?22:28
slangasek(i.e., merge lp:debian/vim, push somewhere, etc)22:28
cjwatsonmerging lp:debian/vim ran into hideous bzr problems22:29
cjwatsonbeen there done that :(22:29
slangasekcjwatson: drat22:32
geserslangasek: do the additional (upstream) patches count as a new upstream version? it's still version 7.2 but with the collected patches till patch 33022:42
geserand I tried to get it reviewed before FFe but cjwatson told me that there is no hurry as it won't need a FFe22:42
geserbut I can add the missing bits if needed22:42
sistpotyasac: mind sharing some wisdom for FFe bug #482890?22:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 482890 in mozilla-noscript "Please sync mozilla-noscript 1.9.9.27-1 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48289022:43
cjwatsonI don't remember saying that in particular, though it's possible that I did22:43
cjwatsonI may have said that I didn't think it would be a major problem, or something22:44
geseryou might be right, don't remember your exact wording22:44
sistpotyhm, anyone got a clue why this is a FTBFS (build log says it built fine!): http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40376516/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.mksh_39.3-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz23:13
slangaseksistpoty: the problem is detailed at the bottom of the log file...23:15
sistpotyslangasek: you mean the conftest pointer conversion?23:15
slangasekyes23:16
wgrantI thought that was now meant to be non-fatal except on ia64.23:16
* wgrant checks.23:16
slangasekwgrant: eh?  amd64 has the same issue, and it certainly shouldn't be given a pass there23:17
slangasek(now in this case it's a false positive since the error comes from a check for the *existence* of this function)23:17
wgrantAh, right, it's only definitely going to break on ia64, but might still break on amd64.23:18
slangasekit's always a bug on both ia64 and amd64, it just won't always strike on amd6423:18
slangasekwhich, if anything, makes it harder to track down after the fact23:19
wgrantRight.23:19
sistpotyso how can I work around the broken buildds?23:21
slangaseksistpoty: the test case that's throwing this error should be rewritten to include its own strcasestr prototype23:22
sistpotyslangasek: ok, thanks for the hint23:23
slangasek(or upstream could use autoconf, which doesn't have this problem...)23:23
crypt-0does kcryptd support SMP?23:24
slangasekgeser: vim> well, it's packaged with a new upstream version number; I'm not familiar with the versioning on this package, but the main point is whether it includes new features or not23:31
jdongin non-KMS-mode, is the fedora-like plymouth bootsplash intended?23:38
cjwatsonjdong: not according to bug 52689223:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 526892 in plymouth "No graphical splash on VGA16fb, plymouth uses fallback blue ASCII progress bar" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52689223:39
jdongcjwatson: ah, thank you. Kind of feels like booting Fedora for a moment until *boom* purple :)23:40

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