[00:18] * daker is listening to: Stromae - Wedanceinfrance.blogspot.com - Alors on danse [00:54] * daker is listening to: POD - Satellite - Youth of the Nation [02:21] * humphreybc is hating on lynx [02:30] humphreybc: hating on lynx??? [02:32] it's pretty ugly, lots of small bugs and stuff in the UI and theme [02:32] humphreybc: so your hateing lucid [02:32] humphreybc: themewise it sucks [02:32] well, not that much. for example it's faster than karmic and it fixed my suspend resume issue [02:33] humphreybc: I don't even get the new boot up plymouth theme, not even in the daily build [02:33] in vm [02:33] humphreybc: it's ashame that human has been removed :( [02:33] at least clearlooks is still there though :) [02:34] humphreybc: in #ubuntu+1 I was given this link earlier http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/45399/hello_kitty_3Jckg6.png [02:34] lol [02:36] humphreybc: if GDM looked like that it would actsually be better. Anyway what are they doing trying to make Ubuntu more girly? Also the new GDM theme and default background reminds me a bit of Hannah Montana OS based on Kubuntu. [02:42] Hello Kitty theme?! MUST DOWNLOAD! [02:42] Red_HamsterX: no it's a joke edit of new GDM, you'll see if you go on the link [02:43] I did. I need a tag. [02:43] Red_HamsterX: oh right ok [10:06] hey guys, the chapter on prefs-hardware [10:06] does it still need content to be written? [10:06] or has it been merged elsewhere? [10:39] hello all [10:42] hi everyone, i just pushed a new revision with a few screenshots from lucid [10:42] they're under lucid-screens in the root directory [10:45] humpherybc, sweet, ill check it out [10:45] rudi, i replied to your email too [10:46] oooh, thanks, ill go check it out, humphreybc [10:46] btw [10:47] your internet is like greased lightning [10:47] lol [10:47] 600kB/s :O [10:47] yeah it is pretty quick sometimes ;) [10:47] it got up to 2500 kB/s at one stage [10:47] although only for a few seconds [10:47] :( [10:48] here where i am, i am super stoked if it hits 140kB/s sigh [10:48] bummer [10:48] that sucks :( [10:48] so are you going to be at the meeting tomorrow? [10:48] in about 9 hours? [10:48] aye, 20:00 UTC [10:48] 22:00 local time [10:48] i'll be there :) [10:49] screenshots look good man [10:49] what res did you do the screenshots at humphreybc? [10:50] I can't look at the moment [10:50] just my normal resolution, 1280x800 [10:50] i didn't do anything fancy sorry [10:50] thats no problem just wondering [10:50] but i took some of different things, then cropped them so they're different sizes [10:50] there are some small 40kb ones and some large ones of the desktop at about 500kb, and everything in between [10:50] cool [10:51] I am going to get the automatic log out timmer working for quickshot and then get back to writing [10:52] i'm gonna go find some lunch, i'll be back at some stage this afternoon. [10:52] see you in while [10:53] kk well it's midnight here so i'm going to get some sleep before the 9am meeting [10:53] ok see you then [11:16] hi [11:16] hello [11:17] how r u ? [11:17] good thanks u? [11:18] fine fine :) [11:53] ubuntujenkins, the problem with the countdown in IE is fixed ? [11:54] daker - what was the problem? [11:55] I will have a look I am in windows doing cad at the momet. I didn'nt knwo there was a problem [11:56] i dont know, i read it in the TODO list [11:56] Countdown timer thing on ubuntu-manual.org needs to be fixed to work in IE properly [11:57] Oh, I think I know what it is. [11:57] CSS inconsistencies with margins in IE. [11:57] The list probably looks weird in IE. [11:57] it does I am going to post a print screen [11:59] http://imagebin.org/87753 is what it looks like in ie daker [11:59] I will be back in a minute going back to ubuntu [12:00] I would open up IE in Wine and check it out myself, but the last time I did that, IE ate up almost a gig of my ram. [12:01] TommyBrunn, hhh [12:02] so the problem is not the countdown, it's the list [12:57] Red_Hamster I am trying to move my screenshot stuff to one file but at the moment I have self.resolutionchange.hide() how do I make it call those form the quickshot file in the bin folder? [12:57] Red_HamsterX ping ^^ [13:16] TommyBrunn, i want to give help in website dev [13:18] daker - Feel free. It's all in the website/ directory. The countdown-page is in website/countdown/ [13:18] There are two versions of the main page [13:18] The one directly in website/ and the one in website/wolter-remake/ [13:19] I'm not sure which one were going with, but my vote goes to the wolter-remake. [13:20] At this time I'm not sure what needs doing, but I'm sure there's a whole lost of IE-related bugs that you could work on if you know how to. [13:21] *host [13:22] the website/ directory http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/share/pages/? [13:23] Do you have a local copy of the bazaar branch? [13:23] no [13:23] Do you have bazaar installed? [13:23] yep [13:24] Alright, then run bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual [13:24] That will download the ubuntu-manual branch. [13:24] In there is the website directory [13:25] bazar is gonna make me crasy :) [13:25] bazaar is great compared to any other version control system I've ever used. THOSE can drive you crazy. [13:25] :) [13:28] Having problems with your connection, ubuntujenkins? [13:28] yes I haev no clue why i ckeep getting disconnected automatically [13:30] TommyBrunn I have moved all of the screenresolution stuff to a file and imported it into the quickshot file "from quickshot import screenres" but from the screenres file how do I call gui windows? [13:31] You can't and shouldn't. [13:32] I thought you would say that so should I leave it all in the maid file then? [13:32] Have you commited it to launchpad? [13:32] no not yet I can add it to my branch now if you like [13:33] Yeah, do that. I need to see what it is you're doing to be able to give any good advice. [13:33] once i fix the latest error :-) [13:33] Alright [13:37] TommyBrunn its in bzr branch lp:~quickshotdevs/quickshot/luke-quickshot It has changed so that more people can edit it [13:38] Checking it out now [13:38] ls [13:39] Oops [13:40] I find the quickest way to test is change the user in line 127 to my user name and comment out lines 224 227 [13:40] thnaks [13:40] heh, tried to click the close button in a screenshot [13:40] (it didn't work) [13:40] Where's the screenres module? I can't seem to find it? [13:40] I don't think this has been updated. Because there's no import statement either. [13:42] http://paste.ubuntu.com/389598/ is what the screenres module contains but uploading it will break my branch [13:42] Yeah, because it isn't indented properly. [13:43] actually, it could be indented properly [13:43] it's hard to tell [13:43] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ [13:43] I don't think there is an indentation error it works fine but stops when it reaches a window call. I am backing a broken branch so you can see the file its self [13:46] I've spotted a bunch of indentation errors already, one of them being right next to a window call. [13:46] Every indentation level needs to be 4 spaces. [13:46] That's what denotes a block. [13:47] bzr branch lp:~quickshotdevs/quickshot/luke-broken [13:47] You could indent it differently, but it has to be consistent throughout the document. [13:47] which lines? [13:47] 262 and 285 are the ones I remember right now. [13:48] And pretty much the entire on_ok_changeres method [13:48] don't worry once this stuff works I am stopping doing python [13:48] TommyBrunn, [13:48] daker@daker-laptop:~$ sudo bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual [13:48] Permission denied (publickey). [13:48] bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. [13:49] you need to add a key to you launchpad use dake [13:49] *user [13:49] You need to be authenticated to branch it? I didn't know that. [13:49] bzr works over ssh, so you need a key [13:49] Ah, of course. [13:50] here is [13:50] https://launchpad.net/~adnane002/+sshkeys [13:51] strange have you got the matching one in your .ssh folder? [13:51] of the pair that is [13:52] i dont know [13:52] ubuntujenkins, in the detectgraphics method, could you walk me through how the if statements are supposed to work? [13:53] It checks for i915, nouveau and pcieport. If that's true, it opens a subprocess of xrandr. Should the following if statement only be evaluated if the former condition is true, or should it be evaluated either way? [13:53] hello everyone i don't know if i will be present on the today's meeting so i have a question. When will the next important update be made on launchpad ? [13:53] only if the former is true [13:53] Ok, so the elif statement belongs to the first if statement, not the second? [13:54] yes [13:54] Alright. Then I understand. [13:54] c7p what do you mean by next important update? [13:55] TommyBrunn I just need to get the silly timeout bit working so we can get people testing and then it can make main and I can go back to not writing any python [13:56] I pushed a version with fixed indentation. I haven't tested anything though, so I have no idea if anything changed. [13:57] Which is the silly timeout bit? [13:57] by important update i mean the insertion of many strings and also the revision of some strings [14:05] hello, what time is the meeting? [14:06] now + 6 hours [14:06] sorry I have missed the last 5 minutes of caht my uni internet is failing today [14:06] (02:56:52 PM) TommyBrunn: I pushed a version with fixed indentation. I haven't tested anything though, so I have no idea if anything changed. [14:06] (02:57:01 PM) TommyBrunn: Which is the silly timeout bit? [14:06] ok which branch? The time out bit that will show in the self.resolutionsuccess.show() window label 19. counting down from 15 to 0. and if it reaches 0 before the user presses the next buton they are loged out [14:06] luke-quickshot [14:07] cool I will get it now [14:07] some stuff is there from line 282 but I can't get it working I had allot of help from people as usua [14:08] dutchie confirm 10 pm Zimbabwean time [14:08] * dutchie is unsure what zimbabwean time is [14:08] UTC+2? [14:09] GMT +2 [14:09] yes then [14:09] Alright, ubuntujenkins, I'll have a look at it. Is there anything I need to change in order to be able to test your branch out? Like directory names or anything? [14:09] thanks, looking forward to be part of the meeting [14:09] UTC==GMT for all intents and purposes [14:10] TommyBrunn no as long as you do quickly run -r the first tme you will be fine it is all set to point at my branch [14:10] Alright, goodie. [14:11] your resolution should change btw [14:12] the website will be Multi-Languages or not ? [14:13] daker: Hopefully it'll be multilingual, yeah. [14:14] oki [14:15] TommyBrunn, i got the branch [14:16] Alright, daker. What were you planning to work on: the countdown page or the main website? [14:16] the main website [14:17] Alright. Then I think you should probably ask someone who actually knows what's going on, which one of the two versions you should be working on. Whom that would be, I can't really say. Benjamin is a safe bet, but he doesn't seem to be here (as it is currently 3am where he lives). [14:18] What's your level of web design/development experience? [14:20] web design we can say 6/10 developement 8/10 [14:23] TommyBrunn, ? [14:24] Heh, that's not very detailed, I'm afraid. Anyway, how's your experience dealing with Internet Explorer related CSS quirks? [14:25] Oh, and I'm going to disappear for a bit. I'm going to try Ubuntujenkins' code. [14:25] cool thanks TommyBrunn [14:37] TommyBrunn, one question, the top image doesnt appear in FF and opera, it's work in Chrome [14:38] Huh? What are you talking about? In which version and which page? [14:38] the countdown version [14:40] That's very odd, because it works just fine for me in both Firefox and Epiphany. [14:41] i can give you screen [14:42] Sure. [14:43] godbyk: can you look to this error, I can't to make manual LT version. http://paste.ubuntu.com/389625/ [14:43] komsas: Sure, lemme look. [14:43] Hmm.. weird. [14:43] Lemme try. [14:45] komsas: there's a bug in the main (English) translation. [14:45] lemme fix it real quick. [14:46] godbyk: thank u :) [14:49] ubuntujenkins - Do you remember how to make the user log out (or if you can revert back to the old resolution, that would be best)? [14:49] I think I've got the countdown working now. [14:49] TommyBrunn, http://imagebin.org/87766 [14:50] What is the image you can't see? [14:50] Oh, I see! [14:50] The top margin seems to be missing [14:50] yeah [14:50] both in FF and Opera [14:51] komsas: okay, a lot of bugs. still fixing 'em.. [14:51] I suspect it has something to do with your resolution. What resolution do you currently have set? [14:51] 1024x768 [14:52] screen 15'4 [14:52] laptop [14:52] godbyk: gl, say when I can push.. [14:52] Wow, that's low. But it does explain why it occurs. [14:52] * komsas pull * [14:53] komsas: I just pushed. [14:54] See, it's very difficult to align something vertically consistently over several browsers. The technique I've used is to first align it to 50% of the user's viewport, which in your case I'm guessing is around 300px. But as it aligns it by the top, that would put all the content very low. So in order to properly align it, a negative top-margin is added - about half the height of the content. [14:54] So if the content box is 600px high, the top-margin would be set to -300 [14:54] That would effectively put the box smack dab in the middle. [14:55] In our case the top margin is -325px [14:55] Which puts the very top of our website slightly outside of your viewport. [14:55] My guess is that Chrome probably auto-expands the viewport to accomodate for this content. [14:56] TommyBrunn, i'll work on the countdown [14:56] oki ? [14:56] Sure thing. What were you planning to do? [14:56] There is an IE bug with the list that I would very much appreciate it if you could have a look at. [14:56] oki [14:57] Open it up in Internet Explorer 6-8 and you'll see what the problem is. [14:57] oki [14:57] second thing i'll fix the bugg with margins [14:57] The top margin? [14:57] yea [14:57] h [14:57] The only way to "fix" it is to set it to a static margin. [14:58] Which is probably fine, seeing as how it takes up most of anyone's viewport (vertically) anyway. [14:58] oki [14:58] Simply remove the top margin and change the value of "top" in the .center class (line 71) to 100px or so. [14:59] oki [14:59] godbyk: now ok ;) do you got and read my lithuanian latex description, it fit your needs? [15:00] komsas: I haven't seen it. Where's it at? [15:00] I send it to you 2 weaks ago. [15:00] Ah, let me look. [15:01] komsas: Yeah, I did get it. Let me see if I've done anything with it yet. :-) [15:01] (So many translations!) [15:02] Nope, haven't done anything with it yet. [15:02] Let me plug that in real quick and see what I can screw up. ;-) [15:04] when you have a time, i see it will be required in the end of this project. :) [15:06] Are you there, ubuntujenkins? [15:06] Oh, it seems he isn't. [15:15] Hey, komsas.. are Roman numerals okay for part numbers? (Such as: Part I: Getting Started and Part II: Advanced.) [15:16] godbyk: yes, we use them :) [15:16] komsas: Cool. Makes my life easier. :-) [15:17] hehe :) [15:17] For the "To:" translation, what does your email program use? [15:17] Where it has, To: godbyk, From: komsas, Subject: translations. [15:19] when we writting leter, in field To: is written "Kam" [15:20] Okay. [15:22] godbyk, question [15:22] but in that link (in letter) where is written "To", they don't translate it. I think it done with the idea. [15:23] i can make changes on the code of the countdown version or i have to correct the buggs only [15:24] komsas: I just emailed you a test PDF with the Lithuanian translations. Can you look over it to make sure everything's okay? [15:25] daker: What changes would you like to make? [15:25] * komsas going to look.. [15:26] hello I am back what have i missed since 14.35? I have had to go to a lab to get a connection [15:26] i would to remove the "dl" "dd" and "dt" and i want to use "div" [15:27] daker: Sure, go for it! It's not a real definition list anyway. [15:27] oki [15:27] tanks [15:27] daker: You should test all of the countdown code locally before you push though, as that site gets updated automatically every 30 minutes. :) [15:27] oki [15:27] godbyk: you like living on the edge [15:28] dutchie: heh.. I'm just too lazy to update it manually. :) [15:29] If i can't make the meeting due to lack of internet can some one please send my apoligies [15:36] godbyk: it's my mistake (sorry), first letter of all months must be lower case. Traslations okey. [15:37] komsas: Okay, I can fix that real quick. [15:38] komsas: I sent you an updated version. [15:39] komsas: Also, did I get your name and email address correct in the first line of the LDF file? [15:40] TommyBrunn sory my internet died I have gone to a lab to get connection. To restore the users previous resolution would be way to hard but to log them out use "gnome-session-save --kill --silent" we may have to add a button to skip automatic resolution change [15:41] godbyk: updated version - okey, my name ad email correct :) [15:42] ubuntujenkins the problem with the countdown seems harder than I first anticipated. I had no problem implementing it in just an interactive terminal, but it just refuses to work when I try it live in Quickshot. [15:44] We might just have to skip displaying the seconds to the user, and simply say: "If you don't press 'next' in 15 seconds, you will be logged out" and then just log them out if they don't do anything in 15 seconds. [15:44] My problem is getting the window to update the number. [15:44] we may have to. [15:45] I am just looking at your changes [15:45] komsas: I've pushed the LDF. If you compile the ubuntu-manual-lt.pdf again, it should have Lithuanian names for the table of contents, chapter cross-references, index, etc. [15:45] komsas: Let me know if you notice any problems. [15:45] oh, nice I'm going to try :) thanks [15:46] TommyBrunn I have spotted an error that means the quickshot user isn't automatically updating the branch [15:46] Really? Where? [15:47] line 172 should read os.system('cd /home/quickshot/quickshot && bzr pull lp:~quickshotdevs/quickshot/quickshot/luke-quickshot') [15:48] Oh yeah, you're right. [15:48] TommyBrunn, i solved the problem with the margin, it works on FF opera Chrome and IE [15:49] daker; great. What did you do? [15:49] my fault I missed it when I made the permisson change on the branch [15:49] tested with IE8 [15:49] Do you mean the margin problem with the top not being shown at low resolutions, or the problem with the list? [15:50] the margin problem with the top not being shown at low resolutions [15:50] And what changes did you make to the .center class? [15:50] .center { [15:50] width: 430px; [15:50] height: auto; [15:50] /*position: absolute; [15:50] left: 50%; [15:50] top: 50%; [15:50] margin-left: -215px; [15:50] margin-top: -325px;*/ [15:50] margin: -100px auto; [15:50] background-image: url(middlebg.png); [15:50] } [15:51] ubuntujenkins can you fix the update problem and push to your branch? [15:51] and in you should remove the comment on the top of index.html [15:51] daker I'm afraid that's not the right way to go about it. [15:51] sure will do so now [15:51] TommyBrunn, why [15:52] Because you're just adding one margin onto another. [15:52] daker you're right about the margin though. Geany put that in there automatically, and I didn't think of removing it. [15:54] *comment [15:54] Not margin [15:55] TommyBrunn I have made the change [15:55] Great. [15:55] i tested on my desktop (17')and it's work fine [15:55] daker Try doing a bzr pull now. [15:55] How big your screen is doesn't matter. [15:55] It's the resolution that matters. [15:56] Either way, I remove the top margin and changed the value of the absolute positioning instead. [15:56] Now it should work just fine. [15:58] how can i pull it ? [15:58] somone know where to mark mistakes in ubuntu manual content, like ``Try Ubuntu without any change to your computer' this string is changed in bootloader to "Try Ubuntu without installing" ? [15:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual ? [15:59] daker: you go to the ubuntu-manual directory and run bzr pull [15:59] godbyk or dutchie ? [16:00] TommyBrunn, oki [16:00] komsas: I'm here. [16:00] do you know something about my question? [16:00] komsas: change it yourself :) [16:00] this is open source [16:00] komsas: You can either edit the file yourself or file a bug. [16:00] oh, one of best solutions :) [16:01] TommyBrunn, done [16:01] Alright. Now try that and see how it looks. [16:01] TommyBrunn if you type self.count -= 1 in line 234 instead of the line thats there, the window updates the count but it only shows when it reaches 0 [16:02] Oh f*ck, of course it should be self.count. That was dumb of me. xD [16:02] dutchie: I will try to configure bzr, now I can't to push. [16:02] thanks [16:02] don't worry [16:02] But yeah, I figured it wouldn't actually update the GUI until it broke out of the loop. [16:03] which is anoying [16:03] The only way I know you can solve it is by running a separate thread for the countdown - and I'm certainly not opening that can of worms. [16:04] rickspencer3 in #ubuntu-app-devel helped me with the original stuff that was there but he isn't arounf [16:07] I'm off to make dinner. [16:07] Bye all! [16:07] ok thanks for your help see you in abit [16:18] ubuntujenkins_la I just had an idea. You could try using a the current time, rather than time.sleep() [16:18] Something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/389683/ [16:18] * TommyBrunn goes back to the kitchen [16:27] * ubuntujenkins tries Tommy's suggestion [16:29] TommyBrunn no difference i am afraid the window shows at the end and says remaning 1.0728836059e-05 lol [16:34] Haha, that's what I figured. There is a method in the time module that's called timer. I know that runs in another thread, and it might be easier to use. You might want to look into that. [16:34] cool I will look when I have finished desgining this frame [16:36] * daker is listening to: David Guetta feat. Kid Kudi - Memories - Enjoystation [16:53] I am off back home apparently the internet is back [19:52] are we meeting in here or in ubuntu-meeting? [19:54] in #ubuntu-meeting in one hour according to dutchie [19:55] no, it's in 5 minutes [19:55] nisshh: Actually, it'll be in just a few minutes. [19:55] I thought it was at 2000 UCT? [19:55] #ubuntu-meeting ceases to be free in an hour [19:55] Rudi-: It is. [19:55] which is in about 4/5 minutes [19:55] oh hehe you lot said an hour, got me all mixed up [19:55] my fault [19:55] sorry, I was unclear [19:56] whew ... thought showed up an hour early! [19:56] hehe [19:56] haha [19:56] well :) [19:56] where the heck is benjamin [19:57] it is going to be here? or over at Ubuntu-meeting? [19:57] it should be here [19:57] is jaminday here? [19:57] * dutchie thinks that we won't keep it to an hour [19:57] we will need more than an hour [19:57] * dutchie votes in here [19:57] no [19:57] * Rudi- agrees with dutchie [19:57] here is fine with me [19:58] * daker dutchie +1 [19:58] +1 [19:59] I prefer meetings in here if possible. Means we don't have to worry about going over schedule. [19:59] * nisshh agrees with godbyk [20:00] * Rudi- agrees with nisshh [20:01] has anyone been able to get hold of benjamin [20:02] nisshh: Not yet; I'm trying. :) [20:02] ok [20:04] * Rudi- cannots get hold of benjamin either! [20:04] it's only 9:00 for him too :) [20:04] Seems like jaminday is on his way [20:04] ok [20:05] meh its 4am here [20:05] its 22:00 here [20:05] yaya there we go [20:05] 3 pm here [20:05] balsfhoajsf hi everyone :) [20:05] nisshh, you are one committed dude [20:05] are we hanging around for jamin then [20:05] hi [20:05] hello [20:05] * nisshh thanks rudi [20:05] hey benjamin [20:05] okay should we get this party started? [20:05] :) [20:05]