[00:20] <viliny> hi!
[00:21] <viliny> How do you kill the x server for nvidia driver update/installation?
[00:21] <viliny> i know it's stop gdm in gnome but this is xfce
[01:48] <viliny> Hey, so how do you guys access samba shares in xubuntu?
[01:48] <viliny> Thunar doesn't support them, right?
[02:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello Sysi
[04:20] <pteague> currently using koala... how do i change it so totem player doesn't keep popping up everytime i insert a dvd?
[04:23] <pteague> nm, just found it
[04:33] <faron> hello everybody hopefully all are well....I'm wondering,when uninstalling programs,synaptic gives a choice of "removal" OR "complete removal" which one should I choose ? Anybody have any suggestions ?
[04:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> faron,  complete removal also removes the dependencies....so to be sure I'd go for removal
[04:45] <LuYu> is there a graphical way to add SMB printers in xubuntu_
[04:59] <ojcme> Has anyone gotten globalmenu working on XFCE?
[05:26] <ojcme> Anyone there?
[05:58] <Scarra3> Hello
[06:08] <Scarra3> Ive hurd some really good things about XFCE can you give me some info about it?
[06:16] <Balsaq> Good morning Software Engineers, Masters of all that is Binary, and Casual Computer Operators...it is a pleasure to reside here, with you, in the lush binary rainforest known as....Xubuntu!
[06:22] <Scarra3> hey
[06:23] <Balsaq> hello Scarra3
[06:30] <Scarra3> So your and XFCE / Xubuntu user? What do you think about it I am considering switching from gnomee to xubuntu
[06:31] <Balsaq> i love xubuntu
[06:31] <Scarra3> Can you give me some info about it
[06:31] <Balsaq> but it is on a computer in my basement so i use it less in the winter
[06:31] <Balsaq> well lets see...
[06:32] <Balsaq> it installs easier and faster thatn anyhting i have ever seen
[06:32] <Balsaq> all i havd to add was flash (restricted extras_
[06:32] <Balsaq> my sound, printer and all worked
[06:33] <Balsaq> it is so fast on 512 rdram i can hardley see the changes happen on screen
[06:33] <Balsaq> and it never breaks, hesititates or becomes confused...ever.
[06:34] <Balsaq> it boots in 43 seconds from off to the internet too....on an old single core p4
[06:34] <Scarra3> Awesome what does yours look like im trying to get some theme ideas
[06:35] <Balsaq> i use the plain bule sky background which is a standard choice of xubuntu and i use the regular icons...i didnt maniplute it at all...i love it lean and mean (9.04)
[06:35] <Balsaq> it reminds me a bit of Jack Dempsy in his prime
[06:35] <Scarra3> Ill try it out then
[06:36] <Scarra3> Do you program or something Balsaq
[06:36] <Balsaq> its so good...i can hardley believe it
[06:36] <Balsaq> no i do not actually know the code...but respect those that do (workin on it)
[06:36] <Balsaq> the support here is fabulous too...
[06:37] <Balsaq> i am new as of Oct 09
[06:37] <Scarra3> Wow what language
[06:37] <Balsaq> english and a touch of spanish and some french that i forgot
[06:37] <Scarra3> I mean programming language are you learning
[06:38] <Balsaq> none yet
[06:38] <Balsaq> python would be my 1st one
[06:38] <Balsaq> gotta get that going though...workina lot of hour lately though
[06:39] <Balsaq> do you know the code Scarrra3?
[06:39] <Scarra3> Java
[06:40] <Balsaq> i have attmepted to contribute some artwork to this project , but thats it
[06:41] <Balsaq> is sun java better than java?
[06:41] <Scarra3> Um sun java is the same as regular java
[06:42] <Scarra3> The language was made by Sun Microsystems'
[06:42] <Balsaq> cool...cause when i installed open office on one of my computers,,,it now seems i have 2 javas
[06:43] <Balsaq> who knew
[08:57] <jaspervdj> So, while I'm an Archlinux user, I'm searching for an easy to use linux distribution for a mate. However, it's meant for old machine (only 256MB ram)... can xubuntu run decently on that?
[08:58] <jaspervdj> Oh, never mind, it's explained on http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[12:47]  * kng to
[13:23] <pteague> what exactly is the speech-dispatcher?
[13:24] <pteague> & is it really required for xubuntu?
[13:34] <bazhang> !info speech-dispatcher | pteague
[13:57] <pteague> was going through the differences between my old /etc/passwd & /etc/group files compared to the new & noticed the addition on the fresh install
[15:03] <migis> hello
[15:48] <slow-motion> hi
[15:49] <dbdii407> It's going this "stop clicking clicking" thing again
[15:50] <dbdii407> Oops. "Stop clicking"
[15:54] <dbdii407> This is getting /very/ annoying. No matter what mouse I use
[15:56] <axle> hi there!
[15:56] <[BG]ZloboMiR> hi
[15:59] <axle> I've got a problem with creating a launcher on the desktop... there is a executable file that launches a program, and i need to create a launcher for this executable. the problem is, it needs to be executed from inside it's directory to work. and giving the launcher a command like "cd /go/to/dir && ./executable" does not work... a sh.-file which does the same works fine, only i can't give it a different icon :/
[16:04] <dbdii407> Okay! This is annoying.
[16:04] <likemindead> Eh?
[16:05] <dbdii407> Amazing cause in a previous release, I could just unplug my mouse and it would work again. That isn't fixing it now. :|
[16:09] <likemindead> USB or bluetooth?
[16:11] <dbdii407> USB
[16:11] <dbdii407> I've reported this issue many times.
[16:12] <likemindead> Wireless?
[16:12] <dbdii407> Doesn't matter. It does it wireless or not
[16:12] <likemindead> Strange. I've never experience that. Sorry...
[16:12] <dbdii407> Ugh.....
[16:13] <dbdii407> I JUST logged into this thing
[16:14] <likemindead> What "thing" ?
[16:14] <dbdii407> The computer.
[16:14] <dbdii407> What else?
[16:14] <freaky[t]> the window manager ;)
[16:15] <dbdii407> I find this very retarded. The last release of xUbuntu where you open a terminal and it takes up the entire screen, doesn't even do this
[16:16] <dbdii407> after that release, the two-three after that i can just unplug my mouse and it works again
[16:16] <dbdii407> after that, i have to RESTART
[16:16] <likemindead> I never experienced that either.
[16:16] <likemindead> Mice are cheap. Try another.
[16:16] <dbdii407> I did
[16:16] <dbdii407> I've tried about 5
[16:16] <likemindead> Yikes.
[16:17] <likemindead> That must be some weird USB port your machine has. :-\
[16:17] <dbdii407> Highly doubt it's that either.
[16:17] <dbdii407> No matter where i plug it in, still does it
[16:18] <likemindead> Are there many folks around the interwebs echoing the same issue?
[16:18] <dbdii407> If you google, yes
[16:18] <likemindead> I have Xubuntu on numerous machines to no avail. :D
[16:18] <dbdii407> But, I can't bring up firefox
[16:19] <TheSheep> dbdii407: anything relevant in dmesg?
[16:20] <dbdii407> TheSheep, Umm?
[16:20] <TheSheep> dbdii407: open a terminal and type 'dmesg'
[16:20] <TheSheep> dbdii407: should display you kernel messages
[16:20] <dbdii407> No command found
[16:20] <TheSheep> without the quotes
[16:20] <dbdii407> No command found
[16:21] <TheSheep> taht would be "Comamnd not found"
[16:21] <TheSheep> unless you have some really weird version of xubuntu
[16:21] <dbdii407> I guess you don't want me to install util-linux?
[16:22] <TheSheep> dmesg should be installed by default
[16:22] <TheSheep> is that a custom installation?
[16:22] <dbdii407> Got it
[16:22] <dbdii407> Terminal was freaking out
[16:22] <dbdii407> (Like usual)
[16:23] <dbdii407> What am I looking for
[16:23] <dbdii407> It shows my mouse at the bottom
[16:23]  * likemindead uses Tilda FTW!
[16:23] <TheSheep> messages about usb at the end
[16:23] <TheSheep> or the bus
[16:23] <dbdii407> I see that. Now what?
[16:23] <TheSheep> can you pastebin them?
[16:23] <dbdii407> Nope
[16:24] <dbdii407> I can't copy
[16:24] <likemindead> ...
[16:24] <likemindead> Are you sure you're not trolling? :-\
[16:24] <dbdii407> Do you WANT a pic?
[16:24] <TheSheep> that'd work too
[16:24] <TheSheep> likemindead: I think he's just pissed off :)
[16:25] <dbdii407> TheSheep, Will that work?
[16:25] <TheSheep> sure, go ahead
[16:25] <likemindead> Sorry, I don't mean to offend.
[16:26] <dbdii407> I've dealt with this problem for about 2 years. I'm really sick of it
[16:26] <TheSheep> likemindead: I know
[16:26] <TheSheep> dbdii407: 2 years is a lot of patience
[16:26] <likemindead> Have you tried other distros, Live CDs?
[16:27] <TheSheep> dbdii407: since we didn't have similar problems, chances are this is a hardware ailure or just badly supported combination of hardware
[16:27] <TheSheep> s/ailure/failure
[16:27] <dbdii407> likemindead, It doesn't do this on Ubuntu
[16:28] <likemindead> Ah... Xfce issue then?
[16:28] <likemindead> Maybe try the Linux Mint Xfce Community Edition?
[16:31] <TheSheep> sorry, I just cut myself, gotta go look for a patch
[16:31] <dbdii407> I'm not switching
[16:32] <TheSheep> likemindead: whatever is different in that distro, could be fixed in this one too
[16:33] <likemindead> Well... best of luck.
[16:34] <dbdii407> TheSheep, http://twitpic.com/16yvff
[16:39] <TheSheep> dbdii407: that looks normal, no errors :(
[16:40] <TheSheep> does it stop working predictably?
[16:40] <dbdii407> Ugh......
[16:40] <TheSheep> like after a certain time, or after you do something?
[16:41] <TheSheep> or is it random?
[16:41] <dbdii407> 1 day
[16:41] <dbdii407> if lucky 2
[16:41] <TheSheep> do you hibernate or suspend your computer?
[16:42] <dbdii407> Never. If you look at that pic and the terminal title, I run an IRC bot
[16:44] <dbdii407> unless there's some way idk that can keep it running
[16:44] <TheSheep> you'd normally put it on some server
[16:44] <TheSheep> if you've got access to one, that is
[16:45] <TheSheep> your /dev/input directory has to have lots of files by now, I suppose
[16:45] <TheSheep> can you do ls -al /dev/input and see what the rights to the files are?
[16:45] <dbdii407> I'm not really comfortable placing my bot on another computer
[16:46] <dbdii407> Sure.
[16:46] <dbdii407> all root
[16:46] <dbdii407> mice, mouse0 -> 2
[16:49] <dbdii407> TheSheep, do you have an idea? I need to get back to development
[16:49] <TheSheep> dbdii407: sorry, nothing comes to my mind
[16:49] <dbdii407> Okay. I'm gonna do a restart
[16:50] <TheSheep> dbdii407: you say it only happes on xubuntu and not on ubuntu?
[16:50] <Kangarooo> screen shots saving in png but what programm by default opens it? yester day it still was rosseta now somehow thats changed to mozzila thunderbird. wtf? how its possible that some settings are changed?
[16:51] <Kangarooo> also just got one bug i was in home folder and deleted text file with shift delete and then enter and thunar closed..
[16:51] <TheSheep> Kangarooo: it happens to me after every update, I just switch it back to whatever I use in the file's properties
[16:51] <TheSheep> Kangarooo: and yes, I wish someone would fix it :)
[16:52] <Kangarooo> is abug report made?
[16:52] <TheSheep> no idea
[16:52] <TheSheep> I'm too lazy :P
[16:52] <Kangarooo> what packege name of default aplication setings holder?
[16:53] <TheSheep> I supppose it wouild be xubuntu-default-settings
[16:54] <Kangarooo> TheSheep: heres existing bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/458148 write how it hapens to u
[16:55] <Kangarooo> i now added that package
[16:55] <TheSheep> fun
[16:56] <TheSheep> I think it's a more general problem
[16:56] <TheSheep> but I don't know the solution
[17:07] <Kangarooo> TheSheep: just write that it happens to u too. the more comments the faster it will be fixed
[17:08] <Kangarooo> if u have seen that it happens after each update write that
[17:37] <Kangarooo> what rss programms can u recomend? witch is lightweight?
[17:37] <Kangarooo> TheSheep: u dont want to comment in that bug?
[17:39] <TheSheep> Kangarooo: I used liferea for some time
[17:40] <TheSheep> Kangarooo: switched to google reader later
[17:41] <TheSheep> Kangarooo: I'd better not get too involved, being a sociopath I might break something ;)
[17:41] <Kangarooo> so now u on web? or google reader has program?
[17:41] <TheSheep> no, on the web
[17:41] <TheSheep> mostly because it works on my phonw
[17:41] <TheSheep> phone
[17:42] <Kangarooo> no u not sociopath u just incubating thats all. :)
[17:43] <TheSheep> Kangarooo: I have an official diagnose :)
[17:44] <Kangarooo> yeah well we all know usa medical system is lightly saying bad and diplomas are useles.. thats why many doctors are already in usa couse they have knowledge. delete that diagnose
[17:45] <Kangarooo> i mean from other countrys
[17:46] <Kangarooo> sociopath can be also sayd as person who has its own opinion and having its own private time incubating- getting ready.
[17:46] <TheSheep> don't worry about it
[17:47] <TheSheep> sorry for trolling
[17:51] <Kangarooo> yeah its ok. just make one small coment that it afects if u want. but it looks like u dont want
[18:41] <last_soldier> hola
[18:55] <last_soldier> alguien en el canal?
[19:26] <millman12345> ok so i have a question that maybe someone could help me with... i don't think it's xubuntu specific, but maybe someone can help nonetheless... whenever i plug in first start my laptop up, it won't automatically mount my usb flash drive the first few times i plug it in... sometimes i have to plug it in 10-12 times over the course of 5-10 minutes before it'll properly identify it as a mass storage device... it doesn't even show
[19:26] <millman12345> up in my /dev so i can't even manually mount it... when i plug it in and do a "dmesg" I get usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address "x" (where x increases by one every time I plug it in)... eventually i get the "Initializing USB Mass Storage driver..." message, but not ever within the first 5 minutes of trying... after it correctly detects it that first time, it automatically detects it perfectly every sub
[19:26] <millman12345> sequent time after that, until I restart the computer... then it does it all over again
[19:29] <millman12345> it's also worth noting that I'm on an old laptop with only usb 1.1 functionality and it's a usb 2.0 flash stick... but that shouldn't make a difference in theory... and like i said, once it works once, it works fine every time after that... also i am using the uhci_hcd module and i don't even have the ehci_hcd module loaded (i only say that because most people say it is a problem with the ehci_hcd module so i tried to do an rmm
[19:29] <millman12345> od for that module but it says it's not even installed in the first place... so that's not it)
[19:32] <millman12345> unfortunately, I can't stick around, but please feel free to post any suggestions to the channel and I will check the log later... thank you ahead of time
[19:50] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/531325 in #5 u say it will be in 4.8 but not for 10.04 ?
[19:51] <Kangarooo> sory #6
[19:54] <charlie-tca> correct
[19:55] <charlie-tca> It is not in lucid, It will be fixed when Xfce releases xfce 4.8
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: that bug should be fixed in the version after lucid
[20:03] <charlie-tca> but we won't know for sure until Xfce tells us
[20:03] <Kangarooo> why it will take so long time? bug is now triaged.. or done.. why cant that part put to universe?
[20:04] <mr_pouit> because we don't upload development releases in a LTS
[20:04] <mr_pouit> (Xfce 4.8 is scheduled for June 2010)
[20:16] <Kangarooo> omg no... again another bug
[20:16] <Kangarooo> thunar not responding when selected many files and pressing enter
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Are you using detailed view?
[20:36] <Kangarooo> no
[20:36] <Kangarooo> defaul icons view. im trying to not modify system so  i could make more bug reports about clean system
[20:38] <Kangarooo> when ill wont be able to find any new bug ill try to install something. im already getting bored and cant find new bugs so i tryd some twiter programms witch doesnt work and ill report them later also. when i started reporting a few days ago at first u wast in this channel i reported many bugs about xubuntu clean system
[20:38] <Kangarooo> and its default programms
[20:39] <Kangarooo> here read my last comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/69883 and try doing that
[20:43] <charlie-tca> Well, right now there are 82376 open bugs in Ubuntu. Not all of those are going to get fixed.
[20:45] <charlie-tca> The developers have to pick the most important bugs to fix first.
[20:51] <Kangarooo> i think better make thouse who are the most used bugs. becouse of them people go away from ubuntu. but if they wouldnt be able to see thouse bugs they would stay and even after year help develop or fix
[20:51] <Kangarooo> i mean in most used actions.
[20:52] <Kangarooo> affecting most times and most users
[20:58] <last_soldier> hi
[20:59] <last_soldier> what downloader was recomended for xubuntu?
[20:59] <charlie-tca> To get the cd? bittorrent
[20:59] <charlie-tca> I think transmission is installed by default
[21:00] <last_soldier> for https and ftp.
[21:00] <last_soldier> protocol
[21:01] <charlie-tca> user's choice
[21:01] <charlie-tca> I use gftp
[21:01] <Kangarooo> that way more people would stay on ubuntu`s and as some percentage of users help/start developin/fixing the more its neede to keep them long enough on ubuntus and that can be achieved with fixing most easyr accesable bugs. like 1px slider bug witch affect all firefox users. on lcean system firefox is so its afecting all
[21:02] <charlie-tca> I use DownThemAll firefox extension, too. I find it faster than the standard downloading
[21:03] <last_soldier> gwget ideal for gnome.
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Yeah, you can use that for xubuntu, too, if you like it.
[21:03] <last_soldier> for xubuntu?
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Sure
[21:04] <charlie-tca> You can use most gnome applications in Xubuntu.
[21:05] <last_soldier> jeje thanks
[21:05] <last_soldier> i now
[21:07] <last_soldier> like xubuntu, is very fast.
[21:09] <charlie-tca> Great! Glad to hear it is working well for you.
[21:09] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: can u explain whats subrepertory? i cant redo this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/520118
[21:09] <Kangarooo> a folder?
[21:10] <charlie-tca> It is a folder.
[21:11] <charlie-tca> and that bug happens in lucid
[21:11] <Kangarooo> ah ok . yes 9.10 it doesnt happen
[21:16] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: i have one idea why https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/458148 happens. can u tell me how to see what was upadted since clen system installation?
[21:18] <Vince__> Hello
[21:19] <Kangarooo> im guessing rosetra was updated and while update happens some updating proces dpkg (actually i think it depacks but maybe it works like doiing something more) or something else while updating has put next in line programm for picture file opening as default.
[21:19] <mattpc> hello
[21:20] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: what command give list of updated things?
[21:20] <Vince__> Ok, i'm havin an issue using xubuntu more specifically with eth0
[21:20] <mattpc> how can I find the folder that XChat is installed in?
[21:20] <mattpc> I downloaded a file on IRC and I can't find it
[21:21] <Vince__> I'm behind a router i have DHCP activated but I can't get the sistem online
[21:21] <mattpc> nevermind, I found it
[21:21] <mattpc> it was hidden :-)
[21:21] <Kangarooo> mattpc: open home folder and ctrl+h shows hiden files
[21:21] <Vince__> Also tried connecting the cable directly to the modem but didn't work
[21:21] <Vince__> Any ideas?
[21:21] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: I really don't know all that. I don't know why bugs happen.
[21:22] <Kangarooo> yeah bug command for list of last updated packages?
[21:22] <Kangarooo> that u know? :)
[21:22] <mattpc> QUESTION:  I am trying to play an mp3 in Exaile and I get a message that says "You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file. You might need to install the necessary plugins."  what do I do?
[21:22] <mattpc> I've been using Xubuntu for only a few hours
[21:22] <charlie-tca> you mean apt-cache policy package?
[21:23] <Kangarooo> mattpc: open add.remove and take list all awailable programm and search xubuntu restricted extras
[21:23] <slow-motion> n8
[21:23] <Vince__> Also I have downloaded the "drivers" for the wireless card but I don't know how install them
[21:24] <Vince__> Anyone can give me some "howto" step by step?
[21:24] <charlie-tca> !wireless | Vince__
[21:24] <Vince__> thx
[21:24] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: no it will only show some info for one package. but for last update what command gives whats been updated in last update?
[21:25] <mattpc> Kangaroo - ok its installing now
[21:25] <charlie-tca> I don't know that command. try apt-get --help or apt-file --help
[21:28] <mattpc> Kangaroo - it worked thanks!
[21:30] <mattpc> Kangaroo - can you tell me why XChat loads up whenever I reboot the computer?  its not in my sessions & startup programs, and I am not saving sessions when I log off?
[21:33] <Kangarooo> mattpc: u have xubuntu? when installed xchat? and from synaptic or apt-get yes?
[21:36] <mattpc> yeah
[21:36] <mattpc> came with it
[21:36] <Kangarooo> no.. xubuntu clean installation is without xchat
[21:37] <charlie-tca> xubuntu installs xchat by default
[21:37] <mr_pouit> yeah
[21:38] <Kangarooo> i dl and installed xubuntu 9.10 week ago i didnt have xchat
[21:38] <charlie-tca> You should not be downloading it from anywhere. It is already installed in 9.10.
[21:39] <Kangarooo> mattpc: i found that this autostart bug has been reported but not on launchpad. and its reported in latest release witch hasnt been updated for at least half year
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Something is wrong witht he installation if it did not install
[21:39] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: no no really i didnt have xchat
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Then something was wrong with the installation
[21:39] <Kangarooo> i installed in last week time 6 computers
[21:40] <Kangarooo> everyone has pidgin
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Are you using the xubuntu cd?
[21:40] <Kangarooo> from xubuntu website
[21:40] <charlie-tca> I do installs everyday, and xchat always installs
[21:40] <Kangarooo> also in live mode xchat wasnt there
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Gnome-xchat does not install, but xchat does. It is in Applications -> Network
[21:41] <charlie-tca> yes it is there
[21:41] <Kangarooo> what was the command to check ubuntu version maybe u talking about 10.04 ?
[21:42] <charlie-tca> I am talking about all versions since 8.04
[21:42] <charlie-tca> I have tested every one of them, and xchat always installs
[21:42] <Kangarooo> no. i dl from xubuntu website and it doesnt have
[21:42] <Kangarooo> ok ill put cd in sen u screen shot only tell me in witch folder to look
[21:43] <charlie-tca> It is in Applications -> Network
[21:44] <mr_pouit> and it's definitely installed by default, at least in karmic & lucid
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Maybe you should download from a different server. It sounds like the one you are using has bad copies
[21:44] <administrador> Hello, do you Know if there are a xubuntu irc chanel in spanish
[21:45] <charlie-tca> !spanish
[21:45] <charlie-tca> but it is a ubuntu channel. We don't have an Xubuntu specific spanish channel
[21:45] <Kangarooo> i just put cd and used finder only what to use find or locate? both didnt find xchat also looking in hidden files
[21:45] <administrador> thanks!
[21:46] <charlie-tca> Then you need to get a different image
[21:47] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: heres /media/cdrom0/dists/karmic/Release http://paste.ubuntu.com/389869/
[21:48] <charlie-tca> That is not a complete file list
[21:50] <Kangarooo> i chached all folders not so much.. i even dont understand where all files are. where then i should look?
[21:51] <mr_pouit> dpkg -l '*xchat*'
[21:51] <Kangarooo> how to know whats in cd if its put in linux?
[21:52] <Kangarooo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/389872/
[21:52] <mr_pouit> so it's installed
[21:53] <Kangarooo> its showing something about xchat maybe couse i installed it today and removed it to check if one bug still exists for it. ill do that same command tomorow at one friend to who i installed xubuntu 9.10 this week from same iso burned to cd
[21:53] <mr_pouit> mmh, wait no, you removed it
[21:54] <Kangarooo> is there a command to see when it was installed and when removed? i installed it today 2 times and 2 times removed
[21:55] <Kangarooo> and dowloaded i from xubuntu.com europe and it opened this page http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.10/release/
[21:55] <mr_pouit> you can see the log for all previous actions of your package manager in /var/log/apt/term.log for example
[21:56] <Kangarooo> ok ill postebin it
[21:57] <Kangarooo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/389875/
[21:58] <mr_pouit> yeah? so you removed it today at 14:52:53
[21:58] <knome> line 2153: Removing xchat ...
[21:58] <mr_pouit> reinstalled at 14:55:31
[21:59] <mr_pouit> and removed again at 14:56:52
[21:59] <Kangarooo> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:23:09 UTC  its in first file. but u say xchat already from 8.04 in xubuntu? i cant remember now but maybe it also wasnt in 8.04
[21:59] <mr_pouit> so it was installed :}
[22:00] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: please stop trying to pick everything apart
[22:00] <Kangarooo> is all aptitude commands showing in there? all i did i installed couse it wasnt installed and removed and installed again and removed again with aptitude install/remove
[22:00] <mr_pouit> (it is installed by default since intrepid btw)
[22:01] <Kangarooo> no this is serious bug then. tomorow ill post the same that dpkg -l '*xchat*' from another pc
[22:01] <mr_pouit> pleas don't
[22:01] <mr_pouit> it is installed by default in xubuntu, please stop arguing about that
[22:02] <Kangarooo> its showing that it was removed before that it was installed and before that removed but theres missing one more install.
[22:02] <mr_pouit> well, it can't be removed if it wasn't installed first…
[22:02] <knome> Kangarooo, it is installed by default. end of conversation.
[22:03] <Kangarooo> i think maybe someone who knows aptitude can tell why that one install is missing
[22:03] <Kangarooo> no its not
[22:03] <Kangarooo> try urself dl iso and try cd
[22:03] <Kangarooo> i have 2 cds of same image iso
[22:03] <mr_pouit> no, you try
[22:03] <knome> Kangarooo, finding bugs for us is great, but sometimes when you try too hard, it only gives us more work. which means we are not able to fix that many bugs.
[22:03] <knome> Kangarooo, charlie-tca downloads the iso's EVERY DAY and tests them. xchat IS installed by default.
[22:04] <Kangarooo> ok ill now go to live cd and do the same command ok? ill be in pidgin after 10 min
[22:04] <mr_pouit> look at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/karmic/release/xubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.manifest, it's the list of package contained in the cd
[22:04] <mr_pouit> *packages
[22:04] <mr_pouit> and xchat is in there
[22:05] <Kangarooo> yes xchat is listed in manifest 2 files located in file:///media/cdrom0/casper/filesystem.manifest-desktop
[22:06] <Kangarooo> but as i sayd ill be in 10min in pidgin with live cd
[22:07] <ryan_> i've tried adding a script to /Desktop/Autostart, which moved it to .config/autostart, with a desktop file - neither worked, and i tried a ~/.xinitrc
[22:07] <mr_pouit> but you can keep on being convinced that xchat isn't installed by default, even if it's wrong :)
[22:07] <mr_pouit> ryan_: what are you trying to do?
[22:07] <ryan_> file, im trying to run xmodmap, when the xfce session starts
[22:07] <ryan_> to remap some keys
[22:07] <mr_pouit> ryan_: mmh, a .Xmodmap file doesn't work?
[22:08] <ryan_> i have an xmodmap file
[22:08] <ryan_> which is part of a git repo
[22:08] <mr_pouit> I don't remember exactly, I'm not sure if it's taken into account by xfce4-settings or not
[22:08] <ryan_> so i wanted to tell xmodmap to look there, explicitly
[22:08] <ryan_> i guess, i could symlink it
[22:10] <ryan_> well im here,
[22:10] <ryan_> im also trying to
[22:10] <ryan_> set that dontzap feature
[22:11] <ryan_> on session startup
[22:11] <ryan_> setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
[22:11] <ryan_> i found that, which works for me
[22:11] <ryan_> but where should i put it , to get it to run ?
[22:20] <xchat> i am not installed on clean system. kangaroo is right
[22:21] <mr_pouit> …
[22:27] <knome> Kangarooo, hello. can i PM you?
[22:29] <Kangarooo> yes now im back in installed system. it was in live cd so im assuming that its also installed on other pcs also and it was installed on mine but i havent seen it maybe thats my blindspot. and it wasnt showing that i was installing it 2x couse it was already installed
[22:29] <Kangarooo> in that var/ log file
[22:44] <Kangarooo> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot637.php# theres next to clock Mixer and left to him new icon that wasnt after update yesterday.
[22:45] <Kangarooo> but now it showed up and 1. why did it came up? 2. cant remove it left clicking it.
[22:49] <charlie-tca> That icon came from the developer adding the notify-osd stuff to xfce mixer
[22:49] <Kangarooo> wow mixer properties also different
[22:49] <mr_pouit> which icon exactly?
[22:49] <mr_pouit> the one with a red cross,
[22:49] <mr_pouit> ?
[22:49] <Kangarooo> yes
[22:50] <mr_pouit> afaik, it's the gnome mixer
[22:50] <charlie-tca> I think you can get rid of it by opening Applications -> Session and Startup -> go to Application Autostart tab, uncheck Volume Control
[22:51] <charlie-tca> But it really doesn't make any difference, either, if it stays there
[22:56] <Kangarooo> hmm i think i today saw that when i change volume u know then comes up notifier.. it had red cross and still sound coming but now when i try to replicate that pressing on keyboard mute and also making sound to max now i cant.
[22:56] <Kangarooo> ok that maybe someone else will be able to replicate now i cant anymore but new bug i got. mute doesnt un-mute
[22:56] <charlie-tca> It happens when you restart. I don't know how to reproduce it except restarting, though
[22:57] <charlie-tca> Then you have to left-click the speaker, unmute in properties, click close
[22:57] <Kangarooo> another strange thing .. i closed that new icons properties and icon went away
[22:57] <Kangarooo> ah no it changed. soory
[22:58] <Kangarooo> ah yes becouse i unmuted it in properties
[22:58] <charlie-tca> good
[22:58] <charlie-tca> We seem to have all that fixed in lucid. I am hoping it will work, anyway
[22:59] <Kangarooo> im thinking maybe dl lucid and try to make it faster better by finding all bugs in there. maybe those bugs will be faster fixed? i already asked similar question yesterday i think
[23:00] <charlie-tca> They might, but the developers still have to have time to fix them.
[23:01] <charlie-tca> If we report them soon enough, some will get fixed
[23:01] <charlie-tca> but some days lucid don't work at all, too
[23:02] <charlie-tca> If you install lucid on a system you have to use, it can be a big problem.
[23:03] <Kangarooo> yeeees.; ok. and this mixer? the new one will go away on some of next updates?
[23:05] <charlie-tca> no, not in karmic
[23:05] <charlie-tca> you just ignore it
[23:06] <Kangarooo> should i report bug about the new one? when new one preferences is opened and on keyboard pressed mute and then un-mute it doesnt un-mute. when preferences closed and it.. oh wait ill make video
[23:07] <charlie-tca> It has been reported
[23:09] <Kangarooo> can u give me link?
[23:11] <mr_pouit> Bug #378470
[23:11] <mr_pouit> (but no need to add another comment, it's already a known issue, and won't be fixed in karmic)
[23:12] <Kangarooo> similar in some way https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+bug/401294
[23:14] <Kangarooo> i see that bug is having last post 2months ago. why im getting this bug only now?
[23:14] <Kangarooo> this then maybe is different im having?
[23:22] <knome> Kangarooo, it's surely the same one.
[23:36] <charlie-tca> bug 378470
[23:44] <robinking623> gays, I have a really weird problem with my old laptop. the xubuntu crashed down but the mouse still worked
[23:46] <charlie-tca> What was on the screen after the crash? did it turn black or just the panels disappear, or what?
[23:48] <robinking623> charlie-tca: it freezed
[23:48] <robinking623> charlie-tca: just like nothing happened
[23:49] <robinking623> charlie-tca: and my mouse can still move but without clicking, keyboard doesnot work
[23:49] <knome> !language | robinking623
[23:50] <robinking623> knome: ?
[23:51] <robinking623> !language | knome
[23:51] <knome> excuse me?
[23:51] <robinking623> knome: you just send that tome
[23:51] <robinking623> knome: oh, sorry .tip fehler
[23:52] <robinking623> knome: should be "guys"
[23:52] <knome> robinking623, no problem. no offense meant.
[23:52] <charlie-tca> What were you doing when it froze?
[23:53] <robinking623> charlie-tca: with the power off and .......
[23:53] <robinking623> charlie-tca: oh, you mean what I was doing?
[23:53] <robinking623> charlie-tca: everytime different
[23:53] <charlie-tca> What application were you using. You just turned the system on?
[23:54] <charlie-tca> do you have a live cd?
[23:54] <robinking623> charlie-tca: no. sometimes I try to input something and sometimes I just move the mouse
[23:54] <robinking623> charlie-tca: yes
[23:54] <charlie-tca> try running the memory test
[23:55] <charlie-tca> If it is freezing at different times, something hardware is usually causing it
[23:55] <charlie-tca> Make sure all the plugs are tight
[23:55] <robinking623> charlie-tca: but when I am using windows it is ok.......
[23:55] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:56] <charlie-tca> microsoft uses lots of tricks to make it look like it is okay
[23:56] <robinking623> charlie-tca: I think I can also running the memtest with grup select
[23:56] <robinking623> charlie-tca: lol
[23:56] <robinking623> charlie-tca: ok. I will just do it
[23:56] <charlie-tca> okay, grub memory test should work, but you have to run that test for a while, like a couple of hours at least
[23:57] <charlie-tca> How much memory is in the system?
[23:57] <robinking623> charlie-tca: 512mb
[23:58] <charlie-tca> Drive is not full, is it?
[23:58] <robinking623> charlie-tca: no. now I have only xubuntu on it.
[23:58] <robinking623> charlie-tca: harddisk is 20gb
[23:59] <charlie-tca> Running out of drive space, no swap partition, loose plug on the mouse or keyboard, bad memory, too many applications running at one time
[23:59] <charlie-tca> hmm
[23:59] <charlie-tca> this is not after suspend or hibernate?
[23:59] <charlie-tca> or screensaver?