[00:51] <shtylman> Daskreech: yuriy: disabling the plugin helps
[00:53] <Daskreech> shtylman: of course
[01:13] <neversfelde> ScottK: ping
[01:20] <neversfelde> ScottK: I have to leave this place and will be off for another few days. I am not sure, if I have someting more to do to get kfritz in the archive, you said you'll do the new archive review? I am afraid, I will be away for 2 weeks now and I cannot change anything in this time.
[01:22] <Riddell> neversfelde: fear not, we'll get it in
[01:22] <Riddell> have a fun two weeks
[01:24] <Daskreech> apachelogger: ping
[01:24] <Daskreech> wait he's sleeping
[01:28] <neversfelde> Riddell: thanks, that's good :)
[01:29]  * shtylman needs to get off his lazy ass and do this samba stuff ... :/ its getting too close to deadline...
[01:55] <apachelogger> Daskreech: pong
[01:56] <Daskreech> apachelogger: how come the CD size dropped that much?
[01:57] <apachelogger> Daskreech: mostly trimming unnecessary dependencies that landed via bad packaging (e.g. recommends) on the CDs, also we stripped a lot of unnecessary artwork from the CD
[01:57] <Daskreech> The KDE3 backup Icons?
[01:57] <apachelogger> + unvealed that the knetworkmanager runtime data creates icon cache
[01:58] <apachelogger> Daskreech: we never had backup icons on the CD?
[01:58] <apachelogger> certainly non for KDE 3
[01:58] <Daskreech> apachelogger: It's a joke :)
[01:58] <apachelogger> oh
[01:58] <apachelogger> too late for jokes really
[01:58] <Daskreech> Yeah
[01:58] <apachelogger> + I got too much guiness :P
[01:58] <Daskreech> To bed so you can perform for the Groupies tomorrow
[01:59] <apachelogger> that said, I am going to do a talk at Linuxtage Graz in april (hopefully)
[01:59] <apachelogger> I just dont know about what
[01:59] <apachelogger> suggestions are very welcome
[01:59] <apachelogger> user focused stuff is preferred I have been told
[02:00] <Daskreech> How about barriers between users with interests contributing to a project?
[02:11] <_Groo_> anyone using amarok 2.3 from git? can someone confirm a bug for me?
[02:26] <Daskreech> Whats the bug?
[02:29] <_Groo_> Daskreech: the info applet will crash amarok on next start,,, already confirmed it with lfranchi on #amarok
[02:36] <Daskreech> _Groo_: Ok :)
[02:36] <ScottK> Daskreech: The problem isn't barriers, the problem is they aren't motivated enough.
[02:38] <Daskreech> ScottK: in what way?
[02:38] <_Groo_> anyone knows if the RECORD extension can/will be backported for X 1.7.x?
[02:38] <_Groo_> actually its working with latest 1.7... will it enter lucid?
[02:38] <ScottK> Lot's of people who are sufficiently motivated manage to contribute.
[02:38] <Daskreech> _Groo_: Look at Phoronix.org they had an article on it today or yesterday I think
[02:38] <ScottK> IME the ones that aren't don't stick around even after you help them get started.
[02:38] <_Groo_> Daskreech: i know.. i wanna know is (k)ubuntu will have it for lucid
[02:39] <_Groo_> ScottK: raises hand!
[02:39] <ScottK> So even if you lower the initial barriers, I don't think you really get much more in the way of contributors.
[02:39] <_Groo_> ScottK: laziness...
[02:39] <ScottK> FOSS takes a fair amount of self motivation.
[02:40] <_Groo_> Daskreech: for instance.. im trying to gather some courage (aka out of laziness) to contribute kchmviewer latest version (which JontheEchidna told me it could help me promote to lucid after the freeze)
[02:40] <Daskreech> ScottK: Scratch your own itch
[02:40] <Daskreech> ok
[02:40] <ScottK> Exactly.
[02:40] <Daskreech> gotta go
[02:41] <_Groo_> Daskreech: did the package.. its working... i just need to please the motu gods (apachelogger, ScottK, etc).. tomorrow ill probably will upload it
[02:48] <yuriy> hmm motu gods is kind of redundant
[02:49] <_Groo_> yuriy: yes but they love redundancy.. who am i to judge :D
[03:19] <seele> blah the user help channels are never any help
[03:19] <daskreech> Which?
[03:20] <seele> #ubuntu
[03:22] <daskreech> Oh
[03:22] <daskreech> well at least it's not a blatantly confusing as it used to be
[03:22] <daskreech>  granted we need more knowledge floating in #kubuntu
[03:23] <daskreech> I can't be on there nearly as much as I used to be
[03:23] <ScottK> Usually it's not knowledge that floats.
[03:23] <daskreech> Well then we need someone to hand out diving suits to retrieve the knowledge
[03:35] <shtylman> how do you guys deal with mailing lists that you rarely use?
[03:36] <shtylman> lets say I subscribed to ask a question once or twice
[03:36] <shtylman> do you unsubscribe?
[03:36] <shtylman> or just filter all the mail to trash?
[03:36] <seele> i usually forget to unless there is a lot of traffic then i will unsubscribe
[03:36] <shtylman> otherwise I get tons of unread mail in the mailing list folders
[03:36] <shtylman> yea...some of these are high traffic
[03:37] <seele> yeah i usually unsubscribe hehe
[03:37] <shtylman> heh
[03:37] <daskreech> shtylman: If you aren't contributing or getting benefit then un subscribe
[03:37] <shtylman> makes sense... and then resub when needed
[03:37] <seele> ugh.. forums. never understood why people use them so much
[03:37] <shtylman> it makes me sad to unsubscribe... like a part of me has died .. :)
[03:37] <shtylman> I never use forums
[03:37] <shtylman> cause I don't want to go there to check stuff
[03:37] <shtylman> I want updates to come to me
[03:38] <seele> same here.. unfortunately no one is helping me in #ubuntu and most of them would just tell me to search the forums anyway, heh
[03:39] <shtylman> seele: what ya need?
[03:39] <seele> my encrypted /home wont mount on boot and i dont know why
[03:39] <seele> i can manually mount it in the recovery partition, although i dont know how to mount the encrypted fs
[03:40] <seele> fsck just reports a problem trying to mount the partition, but manual fsck from recovery shell is clean
[03:40] <seele> i dont know where to start
[03:40] <daskreech> I have RSS on my forums
[03:41] <shtylman> can you mount in under normal circumstances?
[03:41] <seele> you mean did it used to work? yes. i didnt do any updates or anything between the last working boot and the problem either.
[03:41] <seele> and clean shutdown/unmount
[03:43] <shtylman> seele: no I mean... you say you can mount in recovery mode.. can you just boot and mount it normally?
[03:43] <shtylman> also... does syslog say anything about it?
[03:43] <shtylman> there might be a clue there...
[03:43] <seele> no.. it stops at the kubuntu logo screen and fsck messages popup and say it cant mount /home
[03:43] <seele> and that's all it says.. no useful error message
[03:44] <seele> hmm.. syslog. where is that?
[03:44] <shtylman> var/log/syslog
[03:44] <shtylman> cat that and grep it for encrypt
[03:45] <shtylman> or something along those lines...to see what it complains about..
[03:45] <shtylman> also.. you can try this... boot into the recovery mode
[03:45] <shtylman> and edit your /etc/fstab file to comment out the mount for /home
[03:45] <seele> syslog had nothing relevant, will try recover mode next
[03:45] <shtylman> then when you reboot it will just make a new home... which we don't care about
[03:46] <shtylman> but the point is you will be able to login
[03:46] <shtylman> to investigate further
[03:46] <shtylman> and try to run disk check on it when its not mounted and whatnot
[03:46] <shtylman> and then try to mount it manually
[03:47] <seele> hmm.. i hope this times out. it's idling at trying to mount /home
[03:48] <shtylman> basically... need to get it to stop trying to see whats up
[03:49] <seele> yeah.. well recovery mode doesnt seem to be working. it's sitting at trying to mount /home and i cant do anything about it
[03:49] <shtylman> heh... helpful
[03:49] <shtylman> you might need to get a live cd and just edit the fstab file from it
[03:50] <seele> i'll ahve to do more research tomorrow. i'm too tired to deal with this now.
[03:50] <shtylman> if the situation gets dire
[03:50] <seele> thanks for your help though :)
[03:50] <shtylman> no probs...good luck
[07:43] <fabo> danimo: qtcreator slow startup issue seems related to help index rebuild.
[10:21] <Quintasan> \o
[10:21] <ghostcube> o/
[12:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: Instead of sctaching one's itches one could also take a shower every once in a while ;)
[12:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: though I think that most potential contriubtors have a problem with finding an itch, which is probably what we should help with
[13:04] <apachelogger> markey: ping
[13:08] <freinhard> hi!
[13:08] <freinhard> do the latest lucid cd builds contain kde 4.4.1 packages?
[13:12] <markey> apachelogger: pong (shortly, gotta go)
[13:12] <markey> sup?
[13:12] <apachelogger> markey: nvm ... some dude requested that all media players in ubuntu have the same default volume
[13:13] <markey> Oo
[13:13] <markey> well I guess you could do that by tweaking the config
[13:13] <markey> but...
[13:13] <apachelogger> yeah, pointless on many levels
[13:13] <markey> it might not actually reach the desired results
[13:13] <apachelogger> yeah, that is what I tried to explain to him :)
[13:13] <markey> not the best idea imho ;)
[13:13] <markey> yep :)
[13:13] <markey> ok, laters
[13:14] <apachelogger> markey: anyhow, he also claimed that videos appear to be less loud, so I just claimed it be perfect that dragon and kaffeine come with 100 and amarok with 80 ... also the 2.3 volume slider only looks good with 80 as preset ;)
[13:15] <freinhard> has a installer bug concerning repartitioning the hardisk beeing fixed since 22.02.01? downloaded a daily build that day and that one crashes reproduceable.
[14:03] <seele> omfg
[14:03] <seele> so weird
[14:04] <seele> shtylman: so fstab by default grabs UUID for the disk and mounts it that way
[14:04] <seele> i just changed it to /dev/sda5 or whatever .. oh wait
[14:04] <seele> kubuntu started but /home still didnt mount wtf
[14:04]  * seele cries
[14:05] <seele> so /home mounted.. it must be the encrypted home directory?
[14:18] <jussi01> mrgh
[14:18] <jussi01> stupid chrome.
[14:19] <jussi01> doesnt play streams for me - its like the plugin doesnt work :(
[17:18]  * Riddell uploads kdevelop beta 9 to beta PPA for lucid
[17:39] <verbalshadow> Riddell: what's new in beta 9?
[17:52] <shtylman> Riddell: yay!!
[17:54] <Riddell> verbalshadow: it's 0.0.01 better than beta 8
[17:54] <shtylman> :)
[17:54] <shtylman> Riddell: you might wanna also add that to the kubuntu webpage?
[17:54] <Riddell> it's not released until tomorrow
[17:54] <shtylman> some people (myself) might care
[18:03] <shtylman> Riddell: kdev failed to build :(
[18:03] <shtylman> I cry in sorrow
[18:04] <Nightrose> anyone working on the new choqok for karmic already? http://choqok.gnufolks.org/2010/03/choqok-1-0-beta1-is-ready-tulip/
[18:04] <Nightrose> i offer cookies :D
[18:05] <Riddell> shtylman: it didn't fail, it's just dependency waiting on kdevplatform
[18:06] <shtylman> sure sure...you say that now...
[19:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I would suspect neversfelde wants to do the honors?
[19:43] <Nightrose> that'd be great
[19:43] <neversfelde> I can do this tomorrow evening
[19:44] <Nightrose> \o/
[19:44] <apachelogger> neversfelde: why not today?
[19:44] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I am on vacation, will be at home tomorrow for a few hours
[19:45] <apachelogger> omg
[19:45] <neversfelde> if someone else wants to update it, I do not think that there are many changes to do
[19:45] <apachelogger> vacation? do not know what that is :P
[19:46] <apachelogger> come to think of it
[19:46] <neversfelde> there are unreleased changes in bzr
[19:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: where would we publish betaware that cant go to current dev series?
[19:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: how do you mean current dev series?
[19:48] <apachelogger> software that cannot go to lucid
[19:49] <apachelogger> e.g. choqok's latest beta
[19:49] <apachelogger> it is not sure whether the final will be out before lucid release so we would not want to upload that to lucid
[19:49] <apachelogger> yet provide packages to lucid users
[19:49] <apachelogger> beta-backports?
[19:50] <apachelogger> since technically it might become a backport of lucid+1
[19:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes in kubuntu-ppa/beta like kdevelop
[19:56] <apachelogger> ok, thanks
[19:56]  * apachelogger adds that to the wiki page
[19:57] <neversfelde> apachelogger: there is an alpha version of choqok in Lucid, so I suppose beta is better :)
[19:58]  * neversfelde has to go, bye
[19:59] <apachelogger> why do we have an alpha in lucid at this point????
[20:00] <neversfelde> apachelogger: upstream wants us to ship 0.9.* and not 0.6.6
[20:01] <apachelogger> neversfelde: I sure hope upstream gets to a stable release before lucid, or I will rant my arse off!
[20:01] <apachelogger> neversfelde: your jabber is a bit wacky btw ;)
[20:01]  * apachelogger gets online notifications every other second
[20:02] <apachelogger> neversfelde: btw, such stuff should be mentioned in the changelog
[20:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 533990
[20:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: can you add it to the seeds too please
[20:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'll ping pitti on monday but if it doesn't get done this week I'll just promote it anyway so it gets in for Beta 1
[20:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think kdebase-runtime should depend or recommend it
[20:26] <apachelogger> drkonqi is only half as useful for upstream with the debug installer
[20:26] <apachelogger> s/with/without :)
[20:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: made it recommend now
[20:58]  * apachelogger sighs
[21:36] <shtylman> Riddell: I installed the new kdevelop... the about page still says .98
[21:36] <shtylman> is that correct?
[21:37] <Riddell> shtylman: hum
[21:37] <Riddell> shtylman: he remade the tars this evening with that fixed
[21:37] <Riddell> and I used the new tars in that upload
[21:37] <Riddell> hum
[21:38] <shtylman> Riddell: do you have the same problem?
[21:38] <shtylman> or is it just me?
[21:45] <bulldog98> see http://www.kdevelop.org/ that the momentary version is beta8 which meens .98
[21:46] <Riddell> shtylman: I only built it locally with the old tars, but uploaded it with the new ones
[21:47] <Riddell> shtylman: can you apt-get source it and see what's in CMakeLists.txt for KDEVELOP_VERSION_PATCH
[21:47] <shtylman> Riddell: will do
[21:48] <shtylman> Riddell: 98
[21:50] <Riddell> what have I done?
[21:51] <shtylman> Riddell: taken over the world?
[21:53] <Riddell> no, I think I failed to unpack the new tar so the old version will be in the .diff.gz
[21:53] <shtylman> sounds bad
[21:54] <shtylman> how many kittens died?
[21:55] <Riddell> none so far and if I upload the new version quickly none will have to
[21:55] <shtylman> very good
[23:05] <Riddell> shtylman: when was bug 532533's fix committed?
[23:05] <shtylman> Riddell: I have committed it to my branch
[23:05] <shtylman> and asked for the merge request
[23:06] <shtylman> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~shtylman/ubiquity/kubuntu
[23:06] <Riddell> you don't have commit rights yet?
[23:06] <shtylman> Riddell: I do
[23:06] <shtylman> but the branch also has some things I basically want code reviewed
[23:07] <shtylman> at the very least looked over and whatnot..cause I also added the greeter functionality
[23:07] <shtylman> and put back the new progress bars
[23:07] <Riddell> shtylman: did you find out anything about the mysterious crash?
[23:08] <shtylman> Riddell: nope... and I have never been able to reproduce it on my end
[23:08] <shtylman> like... it has never happened
[23:08] <shtylman> in all the time since i added the progress bar
[23:09] <Riddell> how annoying
[23:09] <shtylman> very