[00:18] <gnomefreak> meowbuntu: i just commented on that thread
[00:25] <gnomefreak> there another post that may be helpful :)
[00:26] <meowbuntu> gnomefreak, i rellped to your reply
[00:26] <gnomefreak> meowbuntu: ok checking
[00:26] <meowbuntu> * replied to
[00:27] <gnomefreak> meowbuntu: 4 and 5 on your list or mine?
[00:27] <meowbuntu> sorry my list
[00:28] <gnomefreak> ok thanks i will post it in a minute
[00:32] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: something been beathing my head for a few days
[00:32] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: super+alt windows swicher is bugged, I bet
[00:32] <BUGabundo> do it once, you change to 2nd wind.
[00:33] <BUGabundo> stop, do it again, you change back to 1
[00:33] <BUGabundo> but. but you change to 2, stop change to 3, stop
[00:33] <BUGabundo> to change back to 1, you have to circle ALL windows, cause 1 is now LAST.
[00:33] <BUGabundo> that's not what I expected
[00:33] <BUGabundo> bug or feature?
[00:34] <peder_> How do i install fglrx on lucid?
[00:34] <peder_> !ati
[00:35] <peder_> hmm
[00:35] <peder_> Any ideas?
[00:35] <bjsnider> use jockey. but fglrx may not be compatible with the kernel yet
[00:35] <penguin42> peder_: Are you sure you need it - the open source ATI drivers work reasonably well for a lot of cards now, even 3d
[00:36] <peder_> Lots of compiz effects and other is extremly laggy.
[00:36] <penguin42> ok
[00:36] <gnomefreak> meowbuntu: ok posted and i gave info on a couple of things that might help
[00:40] <meowbuntu> gnomefreak, thanks
[00:40] <gnomefreak> meowbuntu: np
[00:42] <gnomefreak> meowbuntu: how do you subscribe to threads?
[01:02] <rww> bjsnider: last I checked, fglrx and the kernel has a patch. it's fglrx and Xorg that's problematic.
[01:04] <kermiac> is the picture (set in "about me") in the "me menu" showing up for anyone?
[01:05] <ddecator> kermiac, let me try a sec
[01:05] <kermiac> hey ddecator :)
[01:05] <ddecator> kermiac, hey =), and no, doesn't show up (at least not immediately)
[01:06] <kermiac> have you setup a pic using the "about me" thing?
[01:08] <meowbuntu> gnomefreak, yes i do y
[01:08] <ddecator> kermiac, just did
[01:08] <gnomefreak> meowbuntu: nevermind i found it
[01:10] <kermiac> ok, thanks for confirming ddecator :)
[01:11] <ddecator> kermiac, anytime =)
[01:18] <jo-erlend> gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string ":minimize,maximize,close"
[01:19] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:20] <jo-erlend> you remember the campaign to preserve the keys for dvd or blu-ray or whatever it was? :)
[01:20] <jo-erlend> this will be much more widely spread if Canonical doesn't fix the placement of the titlebar buttons. :)
[01:22] <Jordan_U> I thought they had already reverted that change.
[01:22] <kermiac> nope... and the bug reports just keep coming in :(
[01:22] <jo-erlend> really? That would have to have been in the last few hours in  that case. I upgraded only a few hours ago.
[01:23] <jo-erlend> Ubuntu -- We're not just a cheap clone of Windows... we're a cheap clone of OS X! :)
[01:24] <kermiac> i just did updates & it hasn't been reverted - I'm not even sure if it will be :(
[01:25] <jo-erlend> kermiac, I'm not either. I remember reading something about Ubuntu starting to compete more with Apple than Microsoft. That makes sense, since we're now using Microsoft Bing as a search engine backend....
[01:25] <olskolirc> my friend is stuck on his login screen b/c he picked the wrong video driver using ubuntu Lucid and a NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420 ctrl alt f2 brought him back to the text login where from here please?
[01:26]  * kermiac refrains from entering the search engine change debate yet again
[01:26] <jo-erlend> olskolirc, stuck? I also got stuck on the login screen after upgrade here. The graphics flickered. I booted from the older kernel, and everything was fine.
[01:26] <olskolirc> he has a fresh install jo-erlend
[01:27] <jo-erlend> kermiac, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to sink to that level. It's just that I'm so terribly disappointed at this point, I need an outlet. :)
[01:27] <jo-erlend> olskolirc, stuck still doesn't describe much. If flickering is the issue, installing an older kernel might "solve" the issue.
[01:27] <kermiac> np jo-erlend :)
[01:28] <olskolirc> hes froze jo-erlend as if he was on M$
[01:28] <olskolirc> lol
[01:30] <DanaG1> hmm, geforce4mx? is it with the binary drivers, or nouveau?
[01:30] <jo-erlend> yes, because this is he correct timing for Ubuntu having fun at the expense of MS....
[01:30] <DanaG1> If it's the binary drivers, then that's just nvidia fail.
[01:30] <DanaG1> Two years ago, the nvidia 96 drivers ceased being able to do anything but segfault the X server.
[01:31] <DanaG1> And yet, they've updated them to "support" newer X servers.
[01:31] <DanaG1> "support" meaning "segfault". =þ
[01:32] <jo-erlend> the new themes obviously haven't been tested, gwibber doesn't work at all, and the GUIs for it are so unintelligible, it's amazing if an average user will be able to use it, and to top it all, they change the titlebar buttons to suit left-handed people only, and rearrange the buttons....
[01:33] <jo-erlend> granted, we still have some time, but these issues will have to be resolved, or we're in big trouble at least for the next two years.
[01:33] <DanaG1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/383759
[01:34] <jo-erlend> and I read sabdfls blog today... Was he drunk when he wrote that, or has he been to some halleluja design festival?
[01:39] <meowbuntu-away> ok i need a disk maintenance tool.
[01:40] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, ... what kind of maintenance?
[01:40] <jo-erlend> palimpsest isn't sufficient?
[01:41] <meowbuntu-away> jo-erlend,  earlier today my hdd started to click adn freeze my os. i turned it off and gave it a rest for a while.
[01:41] <meowbuntu-away> jo i dont knwo what you are on about
[01:42] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, palimpsest will warn you if smart-tests present suspecious results.
[01:42] <rww> meowbuntu-away: If your harddisk is making clicking noises, the only disk maintenance tool you need is dragging and dropping your important data to some other drive
[01:42] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, I'm trying to help you. You asked a question, I respond.
[01:42] <rww> clicking noise = not good
[01:43] <jo-erlend> rwws advise is a very good one, at any time.
[01:43] <bjsnider> olskolirc, he needs to pick nouveau, vesa, or nv, in that order
[01:44] <meowbuntu-away> jo-erlend, you are saying the drive is stuffing out
[01:45] <meowbuntu-away> rww, i know its not depends y though
[01:45] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, let me put it another way; since Karmic, Ubuntu runs tests on your harddisks to make sure they're in good health. If those tests fail or doesn't completely pass, or returning strange results, then you'll get a popup and a warning icon in your notification area. This will probably not work with all usb harddrives, though, as it has to support SMART.
[01:45] <meowbuntu-away> i took hdd out and left it to cool for a while then made sure it was compleatly flat adn its working ok so far
[01:46] <rww> meowbuntu-away: Regardless of what you did, it's going to fail rather soon.
[01:46] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, these tests are not the same as the usual filesystem tests that ubuntu and windows have run automatically for ages, mind you. They're tests to determine the physical health of your harddisk, not the partitions.
[01:46] <meowbuntu-away> rww,  i know i have been using old computers for awhile
[01:46] <jo-erlend> rww, you have no grounds for saying that.
[01:47] <meowbuntu-away> if i had the $$$ for a new one i would go get one but i dont
[01:47] <meowbuntu-away> so i am stuck with this
[01:47] <meowbuntu-away> CPU:       Single core Intel Pentium 4 (UP) cache 512 KB flags (sse2) clocked at 1836.497 MHz
[01:47] <meowbuntu-away> System:    Host meowbuntu-desktop Kernel 2.6.31-20-generic i686 (32 bit) Distro Ubuntu 9.10 karmic
[01:47] <rww> jo-erlend: It's making clicking noises. In my experience, that's pretty good grounds.
[01:47] <jo-erlend> rww, he never said that.
[01:48] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, never mind your system. Is your harddrive an external usb one?
[01:48] <meowbuntu-away> rww, then if you can give me a working computer or hdd i would be greatul
[01:48] <rww> jo-erlend: 17:41:18 < meowbuntu-away> jo-erlend,  earlier today my hdd started to click adn freeze my os. i turned it off and gave it a rest for a while.
[01:48] <meowbuntu-away> no jo-erlend its not
[01:48] <jo-erlend> rww, right. He never said anything about noise. He could have meant "click" as in "stops working".
[01:49] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, then you should run palimpsest and run a smart-test. If your disk passes, you shouldn't worry too much, I think. It's always a good idea to have backups though.
[01:49] <rww> Alright. I'll leave you to your word redefinition and spending time with Palimpsest when you should be backing up, then :)
[01:49] <meowbuntu-away> it was a click not a thump thump thump
[01:50] <meowbuntu-away> rww, i never said i had not already done that
[01:50] <un214> ok so my system started to mostly behave itself with the last update
[01:50] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, would you recognize the sound of your harddrive being spun down to preserve energy?
[01:50] <meowbuntu-away> not to sure
[01:51] <un214> I still have one more major problem: the boot time console driver is wrong so if I break X I get to fix it blindly
[01:51] <jo-erlend> that might sound like "click, dead" if you haven't heard it before.
[01:51] <un214> basically, log in as root and run setupcon w/o looking at screen
[01:51] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, have a look at energy saving stuffs in System > Preferences. I don't remember the english terms for it ,as I'm using a norwegian translation.
[01:52] <DasEi> olskolirc: so .. copied xorg.conf ?
[01:52] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, make sure it's not set to spin down disks when inactive, or something like that.
[01:52] <olskolirc> ok ill check DasEi
[01:52] <meowbuntu-away> thump thump = means stuffed. click click = some drives jut run noisy, wind down noise=drive is slowing down.
[01:52] <meowbuntu-away> jo how do i find that out
[01:52] <meowbuntu-away> ^ jo-erlend
[01:53] <un214> so basically for this machine to behave at boot time or when something is broken setupcon needs to run in the initrd
[01:53] <Mage__> Hey all.  Last time I was here crimsun said there was a way to get 5.1 through manually configuring a file.  Does anyone know how to do so?
[01:53] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, Ubuntu should run smart tests on your drive automatically, and it should warn you if there are any signs of hardware failure. You can run them automatically. Palimpsest is called something like "harddisk tools" in System > Administration.
[01:54] <meowbuntu-away> jo-erlend, there is nothing like that in the menu
[01:54] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, I'd usually trust smart tests more than my own ears, even though I'm a musician. :)
[01:54] <un214> :(
[01:54] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, you're running Ubuntu karmic|lucid?
[01:55] <olskolirc> ok DasEi he did the xorg thing
[01:57] <DasEi> olskolirc: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:57] <meowbuntu-away> jo-erlend, i would to even though i am also a musician too
[01:57] <meowbuntu-away> System:    Host meowbuntu-desktop Kernel 2.6.31-20-generic i686 (32 bit) Distro Ubuntu 9.10 karmic
[01:57] <DasEi> olskolirc: then sudo reboot, see if (simple) graphics working again
[01:58] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, for internal disks, at least sata ones, ubuntu _should_ warn you in good time before a harddisk failure. It's not bullet proof though.
[01:58] <un214> how to configure console at boot time?
[01:58] <olskolirc> ok DasEi
[01:58] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, why are you asking here?
[01:58] <meowbuntu-away> jo-erlend, i am naving ide disks
[01:58] <meowbuntu-away> no answer in #ubuntu
[01:58] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, it's the same in lucid, though, but I think support for karmic is slightly offtopic for this channel.
[01:59] <meowbuntu-away> ok thanks for your help though Jo
[01:59] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, oh, ok. I'm not sure if they support smart-tests. I'd look that up, were I you.
[02:00] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, in any case, backing up a disk is really, really easy.. dd if=/dev/sda of=somefile. Split the file up, and burn it to dvds or something, if you don't have a new disk available. If and when the disk fails, and you get a new one, merge the files and run the opposite command, and you'll be back up.
[02:00] <olskolirc> DasEi, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg brings him back to the bash prompt no complaints
[02:01] <DasEi> olskolirc: again , see above
[02:01] <olskolirc> ohhhh ok sorry
[02:01] <meowbuntu-away> jo-erlend, is ubuntu-one (or similar) good for backup
[02:02] <DanaG1> In terms of efficiency, just plain copying is more efficient.  DD includes all the empty space.
[02:02] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, not for an entire harddisk. It's good for backing up files and such though. I use several. I make an encrypted and compressed file of a folder, then upload it to several sites.
[02:03] <meowbuntu-away> jo-erlend, good idea incase one site crashes or goes under.
[02:03] <meowbuntu-away> jo-erlend, what encription do you use
[02:06] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, in reality, I don't encrypt. I just wanted to be a good role model. :)
[02:06] <meowbuntu-away> well jo-erlend what compression do you use then
[02:07] <jo-erlend> zip or something. I don't really have a very strong preference, though bz2 is good too.
[02:08] <meowbuntu-away> zip iz not so good on ubuntu though
[02:08] <meowbuntu-away> if archive manager cant handle the format then the format is crap
[02:09] <meowbuntu-away> archive manager cant do zip files
[02:09] <meowbuntu-away> 7zip does not have a gtk theme for it
[02:09] <BUGabundo> what went wrong here ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/390015/
[02:09] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, it can.
[02:09] <BUGabundo> /home/bugabundo/Downloads/flashcam-1.4.4/vloopback/vloopback.c: In function ‘kill_proc’:
[02:10] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, by default, even.
[02:10] <meowbuntu-away> BUGabundo, delete the file if there adn redownload it
[02:10] <DasEi> olskolirc: basic graphics back ?
[02:10] <BUGabundo> meowbuntu-away: why?
[02:11] <olskolirc> no DasEi
[02:11] <BUGabundo> seems ok to me
[02:11] <meowbuntu-away> jo-erlend,  NOT IN MY EXPERANCE ARCHIVE MANAGER CANT OPEN ZIP FILES
[02:11] <DasEi> olskolirc: but did the reboot ?
[02:11] <olskolirc> he froze at the graphical login screen again DasEi and yes he rebooted
[02:11] <jo-erlend> meowbuntu-away, then your experience is wrong. :>
[02:11] <meowbuntu-away> BUGabundo, errors in the out put pointed to that beiong problem not downloaded corectly
[02:12] <DasEi> olskolirc: ok, then we got to find out which wrong driver was installed
[02:12] <olskolirc> the newest one he said
[02:12] <olskolirc> 187 i think
[02:12] <meowbuntu-away> BUGabundo, you posted the error
[02:12] <meowbuntu-away> try redownload and see fi its still same
[02:12] <BUGabundo> http://www.swift-tools.net/Flashcam/flashcam-1.4.4.tgz
[02:12] <DasEi> meowbuntu-away: have a look at unp, a nasty lazy tool for all compressed
[02:12] <BUGabundo> mind downloadoning and match a md5 ?
[02:13] <BUGabundo> 6d0c82f7d065e8c1159bbb3b1cf18b77  flashcam-1.4.4.tgz
[02:13] <meowbuntu-away> DasEi, its not installed
[02:13] <Daviey> DanaG1: ok, sorry for my poor layout
[02:13] <meowbuntu-away> DasEi, i have 7zip already
[02:13] <BUGabundo> same prob meowbuntu-away
[02:14] <DanaG1> what about me?
[02:14] <meowbuntu-away> ok make sure another process like symaptic is open.
[02:14] <DasEi> meowbuntu-away: unp covers various formats in one cmd , just have to have had the packers installed too ( like 7zip, tar , and so on)
[02:14] <meowbuntu-away> BUGabundo, i gtg anywwa
[02:14] <meowbuntu-away> thanks all for helping me
[02:15] <DanaG1> dtrx is a handy extracter, also.
[02:15] <TLF> hello
[02:15] <TLF> it's possible to recver the volume control from the panel??
[02:19] <BUGabundo> TLF: add volume indicator
[02:19] <TLF> how?
[02:20] <BUGabundo> right click the panel, press add
[02:20] <BUGabundo> pick volume indicator
[02:20] <BUGabundo> as always been done
[02:21] <DanaG1>   what():  Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.24" (uid=1000 pid=1379 comm="./main) interface="org.bluez.Manager" member="ListAdapters" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.bluez" (uid=0 pid=1290 comm="/usr/sbin/bluetoothd))
[02:21] <TLF> I don't see volume indicator, BUGabundo
[02:21] <TLF> that's why I'm asking
[02:22] <BUGabundo> it has been renamed
[02:22] <BUGabundo> its now Indicator Applet
[02:24] <TLF> thank you very much
[02:24] <TLF> :)
[02:24] <TLF> though I liked the slider to be vertical instead of horizontal
[02:25] <DanaG1> great, so my thing works as root, but not as my own self.
[02:26] <DanaG> ah, adding myself to 'lp' group fixes it.  weird.
[02:41] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: around . want to pesk you with a request
[02:42] <bjsnider> yes i are
[02:43] <bjsnider> i have to stop listening to rod stewart or i'll go mad
[02:43] <BUGabundo> weasel reference? ehe
[02:43] <BUGabundo> I know flashcam?
[02:43] <BUGabundo> http://www.swift-tools.net/Flashcam/
[02:43] <BUGabundo> trying to get it to work
[02:43] <bjsnider> what about it?
[02:43] <bjsnider> never heard of it
[02:43] <BUGabundo> sicne my web cam aint detected by flash
[02:44] <BUGabundo> can't make it complie
[02:44] <BUGabundo> and found a PPA
[02:44] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~irving-popovetsky/+archive/ppa
[02:44] <BUGabundo> but its terribly outdated and i386 only
[02:44] <DanaG>  'udisks-part-id /dev/mmcblk0p1' unexpected exit with status 0x0007
[02:44] <BUGabundo> would you mind trying to get me a 64bits deb?
[02:45] <bjsnider> what did you do to try to compile it?
[02:45] <BUGabundo> step by step from the page guide
[02:45] <bjsnider> terribly outdated? those packages are only 4 months old
[02:45] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/390015/
[02:45] <BUGabundo> its pre karmic :D
[02:46] <BUGabundo> and 4 releases of flashcam old
[02:47] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, the errors in that make are due to symbols being missing our outdated in dev packages. did you install the dependencies before you ran it?
[02:47] <BUGabundo> which ones did I miss?
[02:47] <BUGabundo> I tried to follow the guide and forum comments
[02:47] <BUGabundo> all dev stuff should be here
[02:48] <BUGabundo> some kernel dev package maybe?
[02:48] <bjsnider> i don't know, where are the instructions?
[02:48] <BUGabundo> http://www.swift-tools.net/Flashcam/
[03:37] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: the windows are sorted in order of last usage so yes, that's expected
[03:38] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: I expect 3,2,1,4 etc
[03:38] <BUGabundo> not 3.2.4.5....1
[03:38] <BUGabundo> which seems to be what I'm seeing
[03:38] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: ah, not sure about that
[03:38] <BUGabundo> ehe
[03:38] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: the plugin sorts them in the stacking order
[03:39] <BUGabundo> made you think now , ehn?
[03:39] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: so window on top is first, next down is second, etc
[03:39] <BUGabundo> can you check when you have some free tiem?
[03:39] <BUGabundo> I just tested
[03:39] <BUGabundo> and its not doing what I expect
[03:39] <BUGabundo> I know sound crazy
[03:39] <Amaranth> file a bug report upstream please
[03:39] <BUGabundo> but window 1 , is in the bottom
[03:39] <BUGabundo> will do
[03:42] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: what the heck does apport collect  for compiz-plugin??
[03:42] <BUGabundo> its on 5% using all my upload bw
[03:42] <BUGabundo> huge LOG
[03:42] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: everything :)
[03:42] <BUGabundo> no no
[03:42] <BUGabundo> its uploading the empty sectors of my HD
[03:42] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: it pulls dmesg, xsession-errors, lspci, etc
[03:42] <BUGabundo> even linux pulls that
[03:42] <BUGabundo> and its smaller
[03:42] <Amaranth> xorg log, xorg conf
[03:42] <BUGabundo> eh
[03:43] <Amaranth> yeah, not too much
[03:43] <BUGabundo> never seen anything pull such a big log
[03:43] <Amaranth> your ISP is fail? :)
[03:43] <BUGabundo> and I file a lot of bugs
[03:43] <BUGabundo> no, upping at 150KB/s
[03:43] <BUGabundo> 15%
[03:44] <rww> ooo, awesome, an Amaranth
[03:44]  * BUGabundo rm's pr0n
[03:44] <rww> Amaranth: my alacarte is broke :(
[03:44]  * BUGabundo hands duct tape to rww
[03:44] <BUGabundo> woot 20%
[03:45] <Amaranth> rww: yeah I haven't worked on that in like a year
[03:45] <Amaranth> (no one has)
[03:45]  * BUGabundo will be marking this bug as private!
[03:45] <BUGabundo> 30%
[03:46] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: sounds like it's uploading like 200MB of stuff...
[03:46] <BUGabundo> maybe
[03:46] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: wait, why are you using apport anyway?
[03:46] <Amaranth> launchpad != upstream :)
[03:46] <BUGabundo> 40%
[03:46] <BUGabundo> no?
[03:46] <BUGabundo> :(
[03:46] <BUGabundo> though it was a project tehre
[03:46] <BUGabundo> well now, ill just downstream link
[03:46] <Amaranth> simply to have a way to link to the upstream bugtracker
[03:47] <Amaranth> (I admin the compiz project in launchpad)
[03:48] <BUGabundo> ahh
[03:49] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: http://bugs.opencompositing.org/
[03:49] <BUGabundo> thanks
[03:49] <BUGabundo> 70%
[03:49] <BUGabundo> almost there
[03:49] <BUGabundo> 50€ as it will fail
[03:49] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: what ever it is, its recent
[03:50] <BUGabundo> wasn't here like 2 or 3 weeks ago
[04:04] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/533632 sending upstream now
[04:08] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: http://bugs.opencompositing.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1276
[04:08] <BUGabundo> linked
[04:08] <BUGabundo> thanks Amaranth
[04:08] <Jordan_U> Nifty, didn't know ubottu understood upsteam bug trackers too.
[04:09] <BUGabundo> it does
[04:23] <MindVirus> Hello.
[04:23] <MindVirus> Please help me kill maximus.
[04:24] <bjsnider> oh, not this again
[04:24] <MindVirus> bjsnider: My problem was never solved.
[04:24] <rww> sudo apt-get purge maximus
[04:24] <MindVirus> bjsnider: You may get upset with me repeating this over and over, but please understand that I need to get this fixed.
[04:24] <MindVirus> rww: That removes UNE.
[04:26] <dns53> is there a boot option to not start plymoth
[04:26] <BUGabundo> dns53: not that I know of
[04:27]  * dns53 messed up his install by trying to remove the nvidia drivers
[04:29] <dns53> do you know how i can mount my dm_crypt partition, i need to chroot and reinstall nvidia or something
[04:29] <MindVirus> dns53: Try recovery console.
[04:30] <dns53> yeah, it does not get there, it starts x and i get a black screen
[04:30] <dns53> i wonder if ssh is working
[04:31] <DanaG> Maximus?  Well, the only auto-maximize thingy I know is "devilspie".
[04:50] <timboy> so I upgraded to lucid from karmic and I don't get pretty boot splash... I get the ugly white to blue bars... something i can do to fix it?
[04:51] <ddecator> timboy, i get the same thing
[04:51] <ddecator> nvidia?
[04:51] <timboy> ddecator, yup
[04:52] <timboy> dang proprietary drivers! support needs to be better for them...
[04:53] <ddecator> timboy, it's noveau, not the proprietary driver. it conflicts with plymouth
[04:53] <timboy> ddecator, ah. so just installing proprietary driver will fix it?
[04:54] <timboy> why don't proprietary drivers show up in hardware drivers window?
[04:54] <ddecator> timboy, didn't for me, but once plymouth and nouveau get fixed more then it should work
[04:55] <ddecator> they did for me
[04:55] <jo-erlend> gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string ":minimize,maximize,close" :)
[04:56] <ddecator> just a friendly reminder? haha
[04:56] <jo-erlend> :)
[04:57] <timboy> I've set that command to run on startup just in case updates change it back!
[04:58] <jo-erlend> good man! Now, go make some noise :)
[04:58] <timboy> jo-erlend, there's a poll in forums. I think it should be in the Topic!
[04:58] <timboy> I think if they want to change it give the option with picture on install!?!
[04:59] <ddecator> i'd be fine with it if they just provided an option to switch it back and forth easily
[04:59] <timboy> needs to be in appearance
[04:59] <Jordan_U> timboy, They are never going to clutter the installer with a question about window decoration.
[05:00] <jo-erlend> timboy, yes, something like: «I prefer Ubuntu to be a cheap clone of: a) Windows, b) OS X»? :)
[05:01] <DanaG> As it is right now, it's a crappy cross between the two.
[05:01] <DanaG> it makes zero sense.
[05:01] <jo-erlend> none...
[05:01] <DanaG> And it's not even a valid "cross between the two" -- it's just a "fail".
[05:01] <jo-erlend> right.
[05:01] <ddecator> anyone else think "radiance" looks like coffee stained teeth?
[05:01] <timboy> C) "crappy cross between the two"
[05:02] <jo-erlend> it's ugly, and try it with awesomebar in Firefox, and you'll really hate it.
[05:02] <rww> I wish everyone had complained about the last few releases' themes as much as they are about this one. They might have gotten rid of the brown sooner...
[05:02] <jo-erlend> rww, I just changed back to human, thank you.
[05:03] <ddecator> i was actually hoping they would go with more orange...has more of an ubuntu feel that way
[05:03] <rww> dark themes :(
[05:03] <jo-erlend> human isn't a dark theme. And I really don't understand what people have against brown.
[05:25] <jiehan> Hello! Does anyone would help me solve the VirtualBox USB problem in Lucid Lynx alpha 3?
[05:28] <jiehan> I can't use USB inside my guest host, I'm under Lucid Lynx, what should I do / check?
[05:34] <jimmyxu> jiehan: Try #vbox
[05:34] <jiehan> jimmyxu: OK, thanks.
[05:40] <throughnothing> has anyone else noticed clutter being very very slow in lucid recently....only in the past few days maybe
[05:42] <Jordan_U> throughnothing, Probably a graphics driver problem. How are other 3D apps?
[05:42] <throughnothing> compiz and everything runs fine...and clutter ran fine days ago
[05:42] <throughnothing> clutter meaning gnome-shell as well as games such as gnometris and gnibbles
[05:42] <throughnothing> now all of those apps that use clutter are very very very very slow, yet compiz and such remain snappy
[05:43] <throughnothing> I don't know if clutter is the cause, but it seems either clutter, or something that clutter uses got upgraded and caused this to happen
[05:45] <throughnothing> Jordan_U, are you running a fully upgraded lucid system?  If so, are gnibbles or gnometris slow for yoU?
[05:45] <throughnothing> may have to install gnome-games to get them
[05:46] <Jordan_U> throughnothing, I'm not running lucid right now, sorry.
[05:48] <throughnothing> ah ok, no problem
[06:08] <tweetbox> i just got lucid alpha 3, what should i know before I screw it up
[06:09] <ddecator> tweetbox, installed on your system or in vm?
[06:10] <tweetbox> on system
[06:11] <ddecator> well, first thing, do you have nvidia?
[06:11] <tweetbox> yes
[06:11] <ddecator> you might have it where pressing <enter> and/or 2/@ will cause X to crash and gdm to load...
[06:12] <tweetbox> together or just randomly
[06:14] <ddecator> randomly. it usually happens right after logging on (or while trying to login) so if it didn't happen yet, you should be good...
[06:15] <tweetbox> any other huge things
[06:16] <ddecator> not that i've come across...
[06:19] <tweetbox> thank you, nobody anywhere else is helping me
[06:27] <tweetbox> are there any working nvidia drivers for lucid?
[06:32] <ddecator> the proprietary work fine for me. the problem is with nouveau, which conflicts with plymouth sometimes
[06:35] <DanaG> wait, that's backwards: nouveau should do plymouth fine; nvidia binary doesn't do KMS, and thus no plymouth.
[07:04] <ddecator> well something related to nvidia isn't working quite right with plymouth...doesn't even display for me
[07:04] <ubuntu> I just upgraded to 10.04 beta, but ubuntu is now wanting to mount USB to boot how can I change it to mount my harddrive?
[07:05] <ddecator> if no usb is inserted, then it should automatically boot from hdd, but there should be a way to change it in the bios (i have to press F9 on my HP laptop for that)
[07:06] <Fentas> it's not a boot order, Grub loads, then dies when it tries to mount the USB saying "No file system found"
[07:08] <Jordan_U> Fentas, What makes you think that grub is trying to "mount the USB"?
[07:09] <Fentas> brb, I'll grab some logs here in a second.
[07:28] <naught101_> Every time my computer goes to sleep (suspend to ram), it wakes up, and then immediately sleeps again, but only once
[07:28] <naught101_> it's not critically annoying, since the second sleep/wake cycly is pretty quick, but does anyone know what might be causeing this, or how I might fix it?
[07:32] <naught101_> I'm using kubuntu, if that matters...
[07:37] <Fentas> naught101_:  My laptop had the same issue using 8.10, I didnt find a solution (but didnt search too far either)
[07:39] <naught101_> Fentas: to be honest, I could have had the problem since 8.10. I've only just started using suspend. Haven't found any thing about it on the 'net yet though
[07:41] <AtomicSpark> So, anyone else notice that the new theme for gdm made the icons barely visible?
[07:44] <torasuku> Can I get the Lucid themes in 9.10?
[07:45] <AtomicSpark> Probably.
[07:45] <AtomicSpark> One would only have to save them and send them to you.
[07:45] <torasuku> Do you know if they have been uploaded somewhere? Or if someone would be willing to do so
[07:45] <torasuku> ?
[07:46] <AtomicSpark> They're in package format. So... I donno. I've never really installed custom themes before. :P
[07:47] <torasuku> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/new-ubuntu-1004-light-and-dark-themes.html in case anyone else was wondering.
[07:48] <AtomicSpark> torasuku: you can get the source here http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/adium-theme-ubuntu
[07:48] <AtomicSpark> torasuku: you also need the new icon pack, which isn't a dependacy for that for some reason. lemme see if i can find the package.
[07:49] <AtomicSpark> torasuku: oh wait thats not it. silly me. thats the empathy theme ;3
[07:49] <AtomicSpark> torasuku: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/light-themes
[07:49] <torasuku> AtomicSpark, that link I posted has a link to the icon theme as well ;]
[07:49] <AtomicSpark> torasuku: well there you go!
[07:50] <AtomicSpark> the theme needs some help, but it's a lot better than human.
[08:01] <Fentas> apparently the installer didnt remove "none /proc/bus/usb usbfs ..." from fstab causing it to hang on boot up.
[08:04] <AtomicSpark> ):
[08:07] <Fentas> I do like this new look :), gj ubuntu
[08:13] <phaidros> how to fix the following problem: upgraded since early alpha a lucid system worked nice until a certain kernel version, since then the initrd got way bigger and when booting it doesn't ask for the crypt passphrase anymore (which makes it unusable :)
[08:35] <mostafakvd> how to run a shell command from a c++ file ?
 mostafakvd: #c
[08:43] <mfraz74> upgraded my netbook to 10.04 from 9.10 yesterday. noticed today that the ubuntu package search is missing in firefox
[08:58] <xiambax> How can i remove all botched nvidia drivers and go back to the state i was in before i installed them all
[08:58] <xiambax> so my x is working ETc
[08:59] <LucidFox> wait.
[08:59] <ZykoticK9> xiambax, have you just tried moving your xorg.conf file to xorg.conf.disabled
[08:59] <LucidFox> Don't tell me there is no way to use the proprietary NVIDIA drivers undeer Lucid?
[09:00] <ZykoticK9> LucidFox, don't worry - proprietary nvidia works fine!
[09:00] <mfraz74> is the fan bug still present?
[09:00] <ZykoticK9> mfraz74, that's pretty new - so probably...  don't know for sure
[09:01] <LucidFox> The kernel module doesn't work
[09:01] <knittl> hello
[09:02] <LucidFox> "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia_current ..... No such device"
[09:02] <knittl> my x crashes after standby
[09:02] <ZykoticK9> LucidFox, use jockey to install?
[09:02] <LucidFox> Jockey?
[09:02] <ZykoticK9> the "Hardware Drivers" built in thing
[09:02] <LucidFox> I used the Restricted Manager
[09:02] <LucidFox> and yes, that's what I used
[09:02] <ZykoticK9> LucidFox, are you using Kubuntu?
[09:02] <LucidFox> No
[09:03] <LucidFox> GDM works, but I can't modprobe nvidia
[09:03] <LucidFox> and trying to launch a session crashes X
[09:03] <knittl> latest updates and nvidia card
[09:03] <ZykoticK9> LucidFox, what card & what driver version?
[09:04] <xiambax> Yeah. Resetting xorg config didnt work
[09:04] <LucidFox> nvidia-current version 195.36,08
[09:04] <LucidFox> GeForce 8600GT
[09:04] <xiambax> i know what driver i need but i dunno how to install it via terminal
[09:05] <xiambax> nvidia-glx-173 is what i need
[09:06] <LucidFox> hmm
[09:06] <LucidFox> resetting seems to have fixed it
[09:07] <LucidFox> but now usplash doesn't work
[09:08] <ZykoticK9> xiambax, you can use "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-173" to install from cli
[09:17] <Jordan_U> Will update-manager use policykit instead of gksudo in 10.04?
[09:41] <mortal_> urban terror does not work on lucid
[09:41] <mortal_> says something about menddef.h
[09:41] <mortal_> might be a bug in the C library or something
[09:41] <mortal_> someone else had hit it too
[10:06] <virtuald> the new new theme doesn't work with transparent panels © virtuald 2010
[10:09] <Damascene> hello, I wanted to install xen but ubuntu-xen-server couldn't be installed. now if I want to remove the packages that order installed. I don't know what is the command
[10:11] <Damascene> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/390221/
[10:12] <virtuald> i don't think there is a command for that but there you have them listed anyway so use that © virtuald 2010
[10:13] <kklimonda|G1> Hey
[10:13] <Damascene> the package is broken I think and didn't get installed. only some dependences instead
[10:14] <Damascene> so I don't know how to remove the dependencies of un installed package
[10:14] <kklimonda|G1> Is the reason for moving window control buttons to the left known? Right now the most popular reason people give is "Mac OS X rip-off"
[10:15] <Damascene> maybe the Arabic language would be the default for Ubuntu :)
[10:15] <LucidFox> So, is there a workaround for the NVIDIA 195 fan bug?
[10:15] <Damascene> it right to left language
[10:15] <Damascene> *it's
[10:25] <Damascene> any one have working empathy?
[10:29] <infecto> hello, for today everything is ok? i want to upgrade to curent vers lucid :)
[10:29] <infecto> and i dont know, will i broke smth or not :) what shoudl i expect
[10:29] <Damascene> I've updated today but I didn't restart yet
[10:29] <Damascene> every thing seems well
[10:30] <infecto> Damascene: ok ;)
[10:31] <vish> hmm , is the devicekit-power still having broken dependencies.. or does it have to be removed?
[10:32] <vish> kklimonda|G1: the buttons/theme/icons are all WIPs , so it might not be the same during release.. we might end up doing the notifications middle to top shift ;p
[10:33] <yofel> vish: removed
[10:33] <yofel> vish: it's being replaced by upower
[10:33] <vish> yofel: sure?  have you removed it? and nothing is gonna explode right?
[10:33] <vish> ah , ok..
[10:33] <yofel> vish: read the upower changelog ;)
[10:34] <vish> oooh.. kinda sounds like iPower  ;p
[10:34] <infecto> ;]]]]]
[10:43] <Damascene> any one having problems with empathy?
[10:46] <Damascene> what happened to ipconfig?
[10:46] <Damascene> sorry ifconfig is there :)
[10:52] <infecto>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kubuntu-firefox-installer_10.04ubuntu6_i386.deb
[10:52] <infecto> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:52] <infecto> uuu ;)
[10:52] <red> FFFUUU
[10:52] <red> now my maximize, minimize and close buttons have jumped to the left side
[10:53] <infecto> CCCCCCKKKK
[10:53] <red> and I was happy that they stayed right for me due some odd reasons heh :)
[10:53] <red> 4 days after upgrading they just magicaly switched after a reboot
[10:54] <red> is there a easy way to revert to old style (except for reinstalling karmic xP)
[10:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeah. its becoming the chant of the channel.
[10:56] <vish> !ohmy | infecto
[10:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string ":minimize,maximize,close"
[10:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> vish: surely you can be doing something more useful then ohmying people >.>
[10:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> red: the gconftool is for you :)
[10:56] <vish> Kamping_Kaiser: huh?
[10:57] <vish> Kamping_Kaiser: there is a basic decent behavior your need to maintain in irc ..
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> vish: looked decent to me: nothing obscene, hardly something that could be seen as obscene.
[10:59] <guntbert> Kamping_Kaiser: keep you innocence but please don't correct vish (in this case at least :-))
[10:59] <guntbert> *your
[11:00]  * Kamping_Kaiser is reminded why he stopped hanging out in ubuntu channels :(
[11:00] <vish> *sigh*
[11:02] <infecto> vish: i`m sorry, but i share the same fault that red is. So? why only me?
[11:02] <vish> infecto: not you alone ;) red  too :)
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> vish: sigh?
[11:10] <LucidFox> Oh by gosh, what is it with NVIDIA drivers and unstable Ubuntu versions...
[11:10]  * LucidFox bashes her keyboard
[11:10] <ubuntujenkins> is anyone else having this error when clicking on their home folder in the places menu "No application is registered as handling this file"
[11:11] <ubuntujenkins> I Nvidia drivers are being anoying I haev just done a clean install to see if that helped, which it didn't
[11:11] <LucidFox> I rolled back from 195 to 190 from the PPA.
[11:11] <LucidFox> And I *still* get these graphical slowdowns
[11:11] <LucidFox> that I used to back in unstable Jaunty
[11:13] <ubuntujenkins> I just have detection if it is active issues
[11:13] <vish> ubuntujenkins: do you have a nautilus sidepane ?
[11:13] <vish> always showing?
[11:14] <ubuntujenkins> yes
[11:14] <vish> ubuntujenkins: there is a bug about that happening only for the first time
[11:14] <uaa> is there any known bug that empathy doesn't show your contacts?
[11:14]  * vish tries to find bug
[11:15] <ubuntujenkins> vish I did a clean install this morning hoping that would fix it
[11:15] <ubuntujenkins> it does work fine in the side panal its the places menu thats the problem
[11:15] <vish> ubuntujenkins: does it happen every time? or only once?
[11:15] <vish> sidepane i meant== extra pane
[11:16] <LucidFox> ......Okay, I just don't get it
[11:16]  * LucidFox RAGES
[11:16] <ubuntujenkins> every time I click any icon in the places menu except computer
[11:16] <LucidFox> It's not GPU temperature.
[11:16] <LucidFox> It's not fan speed.
[11:16] <LucidFox> Then WHAT? Why do I get those slowdowns?!!
[11:16] <LucidFox> Regardless of driver version
[11:16] <LucidFox> I didn't in Karmic
[11:17] <LucidFox> in World of Warcraft, only in Dalaran, fine in other locations
[11:17] <ubuntujenkins> is world of warcraft ain wine?
[11:18] <LucidFox> yes
[11:18] <ubuntujenkins> maybe its the wine version?
[11:18]  * LucidFox shrugs
[11:20] <vish> ubuntujenkins: yours must be a different bug then.. if it is not in lp do file one
[11:20] <ubuntujenkins> cool I will look into thanks vish
[11:20] <vish> ubuntujenkins: i thought yours was > Bug #520685
[11:21] <mfraz74> Filed bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/533739 against missing 'ubuntu package search' in ubuntu 10.04
[11:23] <LucidFox> Suppose I could try rolling back to the Wine version I used in Karmic
[11:23] <ubuntujenkins> worth a shot
[11:23] <ubuntujenkins> thanks vish that bug wasn't my bug but the same error come up
[11:24] <vish> yeah.. np..
[11:26] <Ian_Corne> any place I can find what the letters between  {} during an aptitude full-upgrade mean?
[11:26] <Ian_Corne> more specifficly {a}
[11:31] <LucidFox> Rolled back wine, same problem
[11:32] <LucidFox> Ah
[11:32] <LucidFox> xfwm is to blame
[11:33] <LucidFox> or specifically its compositing mode, I presume
[11:34] <osvi> Hi! I'm using Lucid, and my sata disk continuosly starts and stops, how can I prevent this?
[11:53] <red> Kamping_Kaiser: I only found a way to toggle the order of minimze maximize etc buttons but not their side
[11:54] <red> ie back to right hand side of the menu bar
[11:56] <red> the same which you basicly pasted to me, except thru menus
[11:58] <red> aah, the colon was the key
[11:58] <red> much better
[11:59] <red> now only thing that is missing is the "app" button that used to be on the left side of the name of the window
[11:59] <red> the one with close etc
[11:59] <red> found it
[11:59] <red> to revert to old style: menu:maximize,minimize,close
[12:00] <penguin42> is anyone having problems with launchpad not taking a new bug from ubuntu-bug
[12:02] <rabbit1> guys, jus checkin how lucid is shaping up ?
[12:04] <waltercool> rabbit1, iss fine
[12:04] <waltercool> is
[12:04] <rabbit1> waltercool: r u involved in development ?
[12:04] <waltercool> rabbit1, no, im just a user who report bugs to launchpad
[12:06] <rabbit1> waltercool: ok, now i use 8.04 next with upgrade to lucid, i have LAMP. after upgrade should i change anything?
[12:07] <waltercool> rabbit1, whats lamp?
[12:08] <waltercool> uh
[12:10] <penguin42> waltercool: linux+apache+mysql+php (I think I got that set right?)
[12:11] <penguin42> oh the p being anyone of php, python or perl
[12:11] <waltercool> penguin42, oh... seems like i have xD
[12:11] <waltercool> yeah... whats about cgi? =P
[12:15] <red> btw the alt-tab dialogue comes up very slowly in lucid
[12:15] <red> anyone noticed?
[12:17] <waltercool> red, try disabling effects
[12:17] <robin0800> red: works fine here
[12:17] <waltercool> red, im using a basic intel 945 and works fine
[12:17] <red> they are disabled at the moment
[12:17] <red> it takes a good half a second for the alt tab dialog to pop up
[12:17] <red> vs. instantly hmm
[12:17] <waltercool> (and using boinc, in other words... cpu 100%)
[12:18] <red> meh
[12:19] <waltercool> 0.1s here with alt+tab without effects
[12:19] <waltercool> 0.4 with effects
[12:19] <red> 0.5sec with / without effects
[12:20] <red> everything else is snappy and fast
[12:20] <red> browser starts in 0.1-0.2sec
[12:20] <red> confusing :)
[12:20] <waltercool> how is your cpu load?
[12:20] <red> load average: 0.26, 0.10, 0.08
[12:20] <red> running Vuze at the moment so it slows things a bit
[12:21] <red> but with it off the alt-tab is still slow
[12:21] <tgpraveen12> red: its meant to come slow as many people keep switching between 2 apps only many times
[12:21] <tgpraveen12> so the switching occurs and the list shows up only when pressed for a little while
[12:21] <tgpraveen12> it works well actually once u realise this
[12:21] <red> tgpraveen12: ah it's intended behaviour
[12:22] <red> yes the "fast switch" is instant between last used app
[12:22] <tgpraveen12> red: but if it is really much slower than might be some other thing a bug
[12:22] <tgpraveen12> red: oh yeah then its the intended behavior
[12:22] <red> guess im just used to it popping up instant like in windows
[12:22] <red> any idea what it could be named in gconf editor?
[12:22] <red> ill see if theres some way to tweak the delay
[12:23] <waltercool> red, upgrade from karmic or fresh install of lucid?
[12:23] <uaa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/442436
[12:23] <uaa> looks like Lucid have similar
[12:25] <red> upgrade, i tried to do a fresh install but the .iso I downloaded won't boot
[12:25] <red> I just get to pick try with live, install etc, and then i get the usplash loading animation for few minutes until it freezes (red dots no longer move)
[12:26] <red> but so far I've only had one bug due upgrade and that was nautilus going berserk doing "Starting File Manager" every 0.5seconds
[12:26] <red> disabled nautilus handling the desktop icons and everything works as should as far as I've noticed past three days
[12:27] <red> it's something with the ubuntu gnome install discs always, never got even one of those to work on this particular machine :)
[12:27] <waltercool> red, make another account and try
[12:27] <red> installed using xubuntu disc and removing everything that has to do with xfce and installing all missing ubuntu-desktop packages :)
[12:27] <red> ill try, brb
[12:31] <red> no difference
[12:32] <waltercool> uhmmm
[12:33] <waltercool> idk so =/ is working fine here
[12:36] <kroson> hi people
[12:37] <kroson> im having a trouble with the latest builds of lucid
[12:37] <kroson> at least with the livecds
[12:37] <kroson> when i boot i always have graphic errors, and in order to fix them i have to logout and login again
[12:37] <kroson> what is the problem? plymouth related?
[12:38] <kroson> im using todays daily build
[12:59] <zniavre> good afternoon
[12:59] <zniavre> how is launched your openoffice , i mean with wich theme ?
[13:32] <alex88_> hi guys, this is my point, i've a pc with 10.04 installed, it was working fine, then i've installed windows on other partition, reinstalled grub with bootcd's grub-install, now when i try to boot into ubuntu after it says /dev/sda1 clean bla bla bla the boot stops
[13:33] <alex88_> just the boot, not the pc, i can ctrl-alt-canc correctly to reboor
[13:33] <alex88_> *reboot
[13:35] <alex88_> also recovery mode does the same thing
[13:35] <alex88_> so no way to get some kind of console
[13:39] <alex88_> i've tried /join ubuntu
[13:39] <alex88_> -.- sry
[13:47] <apparle> hi guys
[13:47] <ManDay> When is it due (approx)?
[13:47] <alex88_> hi ManDay
[13:47] <ManDay> hi alex
[13:47] <apparle> I am thinking of installing alpha3 on wubi.... but  the wubi installer tries to download the 9.10 image
[13:47] <tgpraveen12> !info chromium-browser
[13:47] <alex88_> ManDay: i've a problem
[13:48] <alex88_> this is my point, i've a pc with 10.04 installed, it was working fine, then i've installed windows on other partition, reinstalled grub with bootcd's grub-install, now when i try to boot into ubuntu after it says /dev/sda1 clean bla bla bla and the boot stops
[13:48] <ManDay> !when
[13:48] <ManDay> !release
[13:49]  * penguin42 wonders why ubottu responds to when like that
[13:49] <rsk> to when like that?
[13:49] <rsk> what does that mean
[13:49] <penguin42> rsk: Yeh ManDay's query a few lines back
[13:49] <tgpraveen12> april,2010
[13:49] <penguin42> rsk: It gave a chromium thing
[13:50] <penguin42> oh! I see it was interleaved withanother request
[13:50] <apparle> anyone tried wubi with 10.04
[13:51] <alex88_> nope
[14:00] <kroson> hi
[14:01] <kroson> ive just installed lucid daily build
[14:01] <kroson> and i installed the proprietary nvidia driver from hardware drivers
[14:01] <kroson> but now both nouveau and nvidia binary have a green light close to it
[14:01] <kroson> should i remove nouveau or leave it like it is?
[14:01] <Ian_Corne> keep it as is
[14:02] <Ian_Corne> noveau is there for plymounth during boot
[14:02] <kroson> tks
[14:02] <kroson> ive just had a stupid bug
[14:02] <kroson> open a terminal for the first time
[14:02] <kroson> entered ls
[14:02] <kroson> and voila, login screen again
[14:03] <kroson> is this a known bug?
[14:03] <penguin42> kroson: That shouldn't happen!
[14:03] <kroson> it happened once
[14:03] <penguin42> kroson: Sounds like an X server crash, probably graphics driver?
[14:03] <kroson> then i entered terminal again LS and it worked
[14:04] <kroson> penguin42: just installed the latest nvidia from hardware drivers
[14:04] <kroson> but i have both nvidia and nouveau enabled there, so i thought that could be the problem
[14:05] <kroson> by the way, plymouth works sometimes when i boot (it shows the logo), other attempts it doesnt and i boot without seeing it
[14:07] <kroson> ill reboot see what happens
[14:16] <judgen> where is the GTK-QT in lucid?
[14:17] <aboSamoor> on boot the partitions are all the time checked ! do you know any related bug ?
[14:17] <kroson> penguin42: after doing some tests i can i say that my X server crashes the first time i log in
[14:17] <kroson> when i start the computer
[14:17] <kroson> so i have o re-login
[14:17] <alex88_> aboSamoor: that's normal, is just a fast check...not the complete
[14:18] <kroson> this happens with both nouveau and nvidia binary driver
[14:18] <kroson> with nouveau i can see plymouth, with the proprietary no
[14:18] <aboSamoor> alex88_, I do not think it is fast in my case. I am using intel drivers.
[14:18] <kroson> so could this be some plymouth bug related?
[14:18] <penguin42> kroson: I have heard of a similar sounding one
[14:19] <kroson> penguin42: i dont mind have to restart x, as long as i have a command to do so directly from the login menu
[14:19] <kroson> does ctrl+alt+backspace work in ubuntu, or something similar?
[14:20] <alex88_> aboSamoor: it takes to me about 2-3 secs
[14:24] <judgen> kroson: the X11 devs removed the ctrl+alt+bcksp as far as i know.
[14:24] <judgen> i miss it alot
[14:24] <kroson> judgen: thanks, i solved my problem :)
[14:24] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:24] <penguin42> judgen: I think one of the suggested alternatives is alt-sysrq-k
[14:25] <judgen> sysrq?
[14:25] <penguin42> judgen: the same button as print-screen
[14:25] <kroson> judgen: ctrl alt backsp can be activated
[14:26] <echa> hi, just upgraded, nautilus doesn't start, dies instantly and tries to restart resulting in flashing behaviour of taskbar items
[14:26] <echa> window shadows also seem to flash
[14:26] <judgen> kroson: How? enabling it in xorg.conf does not work any more.
[14:29] <tommis> ö
[14:29] <judgen> ö
[14:30] <IdleOne> ö Ö
[14:31] <rsk> ö
[14:32] <boondoklife> Does lucid kick off the Ubuntuone sync on its own or do I have to force it when I want it to using u1sync? I can't seem to get it to push and pull files on its own with lucid.
[14:33] <judgen> I cant seem to be able to downgrade firefox to 3.5 from 3.6... odd.
[14:34] <judgen> aaah the 3.5 is only a dummy for 3.6
[14:34] <judgen> how sad.
[14:35] <penguin42> judgen: Out of interest why do you want to?
[14:35] <judgen> penguin42: Got a large amount of add-ons that does not work with 3.6
[14:35] <penguin42> ah right
[14:37] <kroson> whats the difference between Alt-SysRq-R and Alt-SysRq-K?
[14:38] <boondoklife> wow guess no one around uses u1?
[14:39] <penguin42> kroson: 'r' just switches keyboard mode to normal ascii for the consoles, k is SAK which kills everything on the current console
[14:39] <kroson> penguin42: when in the login screen i can press Alt+F1 to go to a console
[14:39] <kroson> is there a command to restart X there?
[14:39] <penguin42> kroson: In principal r followed by ctrl-alt-f1 say would get you a working console - but the old X server would still be running if it hadn't crashed
[14:39] <kroson> like sudo gdm restart, if theres something like this
[14:40] <penguin42> sudo gdm restart should work - if the old X server is dead
[14:40] <kroson> penguin42: i dont know if its dead or not
[14:40] <penguin42> ps -eaf|grep X
[14:40] <kroson> but that i have a problem with it, i know i have
[14:40] <kroson> cant know if its dead at all
[14:41] <kroson> ok ill try it :)
[14:41] <kroson> penguin42: i could do sudo killall gdm and then sudo gdm star?
[14:41] <kroson> or just sudo gdm restart?
[14:41] <kroson> wouldnt it do the same?
[14:41] <penguin42> not sure what that does if X is still going
[14:41] <kroson> ok ill test it
[14:41] <kroson> tks
[14:41] <kroson> :)
[14:44]  * penguin42 wonders why Exaile seems to be preferentially playing from the new stuff I just added
[14:45] <kroson> penguin42: it didnt work
[14:45] <kroson> sudo killall gdm
[14:45] <kroson> it says gdm: process not found :P
[14:45] <kroson> strange
[14:45] <kroson> sudo gdm restart or sudo gdm start do the same, i have an error
[14:45] <kroson> startx doesnt work too as X is already working
[14:46] <kroson> any suggestions?
[14:46] <penguin42> kill X
[14:47] <kroson> how?
[14:47] <kroson> alt+sysrq+k kills x?
[14:47] <penguin42> ps -eaf|grep X   find the X server and kill it
[14:47] <kroson> what is the sysrq key?
[14:48] <penguin42> you don't want alt-sysrq-k unless you have the X console showing
[14:53] <bjsnider> what is kroson trying to do?
[14:54] <kroson_> bjsnider: im kroson
[14:54] <penguin42> bjsnider: restart X, he's not sure it's still going
[14:54] <kroson_> but my previous nick wasnt killed
[14:54] <kroson_> penguin42: i made it
[14:54] <kroson_> directly with alt+sysrq+K
[14:55] <kroson_> its the perfect key combination :)
[14:59] <kroson_> has anyone been able to install restricted extras in lucid?
[15:02]  * guntbert is trying
[15:02] <kroson_> guntbert: to install it?
[15:02] <guntbert> kroson_: yes
[15:03] <kroson_> guntbert: with software center i couldnt, but now i installed with the terminal
[15:03] <kroson_> are you having an error?
[15:03] <guntbert> kroson_: update is still running I will tell you
[15:03] <kroson_> ok
[15:12] <guntbert> kroson_: install takes a lot of time - but I never used software center before - so I'm not sure if its normal
[15:12] <kroson_> yes it takes
[15:12] <kroson_> guntbert: 32 or 64 bit?
[15:12] <kroson_> and what version? alpha 3, daily...
[15:13] <guntbert> 64bit daily in a VBox VM
[15:15] <kroson_> guntbert: what is the mirror you are using?
[15:16] <kroson_> from what country?
[15:16] <guntbert> kroson_: austria but that doesn't matter as there is not network activity but a lot of cpu load
[15:21] <guntbert> kroson_: after maxing out the cpu for some time it seems to have installed them just fine - what the simplest way to check?
[15:24] <guntbert> kroson_: seems fine
[15:25] <kroson_> guntbert:
[15:25] <kroson_> of course it has to do
[15:25] <kroson_> the portuguese mirror (the one i use) has done a bad synchronization of the package libdvdnav4
[15:25] <kroson_> so this package is corrupted in this mirror (wrong size)
[15:26] <kroson_> so i couldnt install it so no gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad so some file extensions not playing D
[15:26] <kroson_> xD
[15:27] <kroson_> guntbert: ive checked the austrian mirror and there the file is right
[15:27] <jiehanzheng> Hello, I can't use USB inside my VirtualBox (non-free, virtualbox-3.1) guest OS, what should I do?
[15:28] <guntbert> kroson_: ah - did you get a "file not found" error? could be due to late syncing of your server...
[15:28] <jiehanzheng> Hello, I can't use USB inside my VirtualBox (non-free, virtualbox-3.1) guest OS, what should I do?
[15:29] <kroson_> guntbert: the file was found, wrong size error
[15:29] <kroson_> i checked and its only 11kb
[15:29] <kroson_> it should be 70 or something like it
[15:29] <kroson_> this is the only fault file,
[15:31] <guntbert> kroson_: do you use a http proxy? they *sometimes* keep a truncated file and deliver it again and again
[15:32] <kroson_> guntbert: no
[15:32] <kroson_> :)
[15:33] <guntbert> kroson_: then I assume "time will heal it" :)
[15:33] <kroson_> yes
[15:34] <kroson_> i also have some mirrors that are not working
[15:34] <kroson_> when you update your server list
[15:34] <kroson_> are all mirrors correctly updated?
[15:34] <guntbert> kroson_: I never do that
[15:35] <kroson_> guntbert: sudo apt-get update
[15:36] <guntbert> kroson_: that updates the package database - not the server list - and no I never have issues with that
[15:36] <kroson_> ok
[15:36] <guntbert> kroson_: but I usually have only one mirror set
[15:40] <kroson_> guntbert: me too i always use the default mirror set
[15:40] <kroson_> but this time with today's daily build im having this trouble xD
[15:41] <kroson_> besides this and the xserver crash, no bugs in lucid
[15:41] <kroson_> for me
[15:48] <kroson_> guntbert: there are having problems with the portuguese server, now im using the main server from ubuntu and no more problems xD
[15:49] <guntbert> kroson_: good - have fun
[16:01] <mike31> member:anyone know where the sources to the new gtk2-engine are?
[16:01] <mike31> grr
[16:01] <mike31> anyone know where the sources to the new gtk2-engine are?
[16:02] <mike31> or what the package name is?
[16:05] <zniavre> mike31, ubuntu-mono ?
[16:05] <vish> mike31: ubuntu-light-themes
[16:05] <mike31> zniavre: thanks, will re-check package db...
[16:05] <mike31> vish: thanks
[16:05] <mike31> zniavre: sure about the name?
[16:05] <zniavre> sorry do what vish told you
[16:05] <zniavre> he s better than me
[16:06] <vish> ;p
[16:06] <mike31> zaroo results on packages.ubuntu.com
[16:06] <vish> mike31: whats the bug? mostly all the bugs have already  been filed
[16:06] <mike31> bug?
[16:06] <mike31> why bug?
[16:07] <vish> ah , first person to sya no bug ;)
[16:07] <vish> mike31: you want the source for the new themes , ambience and radience?
[16:08] <vish> or the murrine engine?
[16:08] <mike31> vish: confused now. I thought there's a new gtk2 engine.
[16:08] <mike31> vish: couldn't find ubuntu-light-themes in the pkg db
[16:08] <mike31> vish: searching archives/pool.....
[16:09] <vish> mike31: try just light-themes
[16:09] <vish> mike31: btw,there is a difference between the gtk2 engine and the theme engine and the themes
[16:10] <vish> now ,i'm confused what you are looking for ;)
[16:10] <mike31> vish: I only need the gtk2 engine not any of the other 'themes'
[16:10] <mike31> vish: is it a new engine or just a theme using known engines?
[16:11] <mike31> mono -> icons
[16:11] <mike31> and it's using murrine
[16:11] <mike31> I see
[16:11] <zniavre> murrine and pixbuf for new theme
[16:11] <vish> mike31: murrine is the latest from the git
[16:11] <mike31> vish: I may be blind but cannot see where the gtkrc is in here http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/light-themes
[16:12] <mike31> oh wait
[16:12] <mike31> dumb me
[16:12] <mike31> been lookin on at the deps
[16:12] <mike31> sorry
[16:12] <mike31> sorry
[16:13] <vish> mike31: download the tar.gz it has the themes and the gtkrc
[16:13] <yehia> hello, iam using ubuntu 10 .4  and i was  i was searching on line how to speed up my ubuntu as its a bit slow - and i found this link   ,,    http://yoten.blogspot.com/2007/04/speed-up-ubuntu.html    . any body thinks that it really works
[16:13] <mike31> vish: I have, I was dumb for a second
[16:13] <vish> mike31: it happens to all of us ;)
[16:13] <mike31> vish: happens due to interplanetary cryonic ambience lighting dissolving problems
[16:16] <vish> yehia: what is actually slow [in your install]?
[16:16] <vish> or just boosting it for  fun ;)
[16:19] <linux2324> does the ubuntu usb creator work only with ubuntu isos?
[16:19] <linux2324> and why were netbook img's changed to iso's
[16:19] <linux2324> ? so they cant be dd'ed to the medium directly?
[16:21] <mike31> vish: uhoh, it's using pixmaps in the theme. whatever...
[16:21] <vish> mike31: yup its a combo
[16:22] <vish> mike31: from what i can see it is only the scrollbars which use pixmap
[16:25] <tgpraveen> vish: u know if they are going to make the envelope icon green for new messages?
[16:26] <mike31> vish: yeah, seen that. tested and it looks clunky to me.
[16:26] <mike31> tastes......
[16:26] <tgpraveen> that along with no notifications in fullscreen and empathy not opening windows/tabs for new msgs is going to really bug people again
[16:26] <vish> yeah its a bit clunky
[16:26] <tgpraveen> its karmic/jaunty all over again
[16:27] <vish> hehe ;)
[16:27] <mike31> compared to OSX we do have a choice (XP also has but not sure abot 6.x or 7.x of RedmondWare)
[16:33] <tgpraveen1> anybody experience the problem holding down a key has  effect only once.
[16:34] <tgpraveen1> like to scroll down pressing down the up/down key has effect only once. so basically key repeats not working
[16:34] <tgpraveen1> happening since 1-2 days
[16:38] <vish> tgpraveen1: hmm , that was an old bug.. but was fixed..
[16:41] <tgpraveen1> vish: i am having it since last 1-2 days fully updated lucid
[16:41] <tgpraveen1> link for the old bug
[16:41] <tgpraveen1> by any chance/
[16:41] <tgpraveen1> ?
[16:43] <vish> tgpraveen1:  hmm , seems my awesome bar has amnesia ;)
[16:43] <happyhobo> How do I get the maximize, minimize, shrink buttons from the left side back to the right side as God intended.
[16:43] <happyhobo> ?*
[16:44] <vish> tgpraveen1: i recently shifted to clean profile firefox , so its probably a month old bug
[16:44] <vish> happyhobo:  gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string ":minimize,maximize,close"
[16:45] <vish> happyhobo: enter that in the terminal^
[16:46] <red> vish, happyhobo: gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[16:46] <red> otherwise you will be missing the menu button in the left hand corner :)
[16:47] <vish> ;)  yeah menu oops
[16:47] <happyhobo> It didnt do anything.
[16:48] <Volkodav> anybody got the older Radeon cards to work ?
[16:49] <Volkodav> 9600 I have
[16:49] <happyhobo> wolf?
[16:49] <Volkodav> yo yo
[16:49] <happyhobo> Is that you?
[16:49] <Volkodav> what do ya think ?
[16:49] <happyhobo> You're running uBUNTU NOW?
[16:50] <Volkodav> at work yeah
[16:50] <happyhobo> Me too.  I was against it at first but quickly found it just works.
[16:50] <happyhobo> Where are you working now?
[16:50] <Volkodav> same place
[16:51] <Volkodav> sup with you ?
[16:51] <Volkodav> left mepis huh ?
[16:51] <happyhobo> red and vish I tried both of your commands and they are still mac'fied  YUK
[16:51] <happyhobo> Ive been without a car for 2.5 months so far
[16:51] <Volkodav> That Ford truck died ?
[16:52] <happyhobo> I want to find a part time job but can't do that.  The truck was taken off the road in 06 when it wouldn't pass inspection anymore.
[16:52] <tgpraveen1> happyhobo: u tried it after hitting alt + f2
[16:52] <tgpraveen1> right?
[16:53] <happyhobo> Just did and it worked.  Now it looks correct.
[16:53] <happyhobo> My current car is an 80 Ford Fairmont Futura with a permanent transmission leak.
[16:57] <happyhobo> was there a reason to switch from right to left?
[16:58] <happyhobo> I would like to voice a complaint
[17:01] <BUGabundo> happyhobo: gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string ":minimize,maximize,close"
[17:01] <BUGabundo> there's a pool in brainstorm and a bug in LP
[17:02] <BUGabundo> boas
[17:02] <happyhobo> thanks
[17:02] <happyhobo> why does 2.29 look like 2.28 look like 2.26 look like 2.24 . . .
[17:03] <happyhobo> the only difference I see is button output
[17:03] <happyhobo> I mean placement
[17:07] <vish> hmm , how do i check disk activity from terminal?
[17:09] <vish> ah iotop
[17:11] <BUGabundo> yes
[17:11] <BUGabundo> but I like atop + 'd' better
[17:16] <Some_Person> What does Lucid's new theme look like?
[17:17] <penguin42> Some_Person: Purple
[17:18] <Some_Person> penguin42: Seriously?
[17:18] <penguin42> yes
[17:18] <Some_Person> Screenshot?
[17:18] <JoshuaL>  lol
[17:18] <penguin42> Some_Person: I've switched theme and background out
[17:19] <Some_Person> I mean, what does the default theme look like?
[17:19] <penguin42> Some_Person: I think this is the default: http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=3&id=121184&file1=121184-1.jpg&file2=121184-2.jpg&file3=121184-3.jpg&name=New+Wave+Lucid+theme
[17:20] <penguin42> but I'm not 100% sure - I switched it away pretty quickly
[17:20] <Some_Person> Also, is it true that GIMP is no longer included?
[17:20] <penguin42> Some_Person: It's in the repositories so it's trivially easy to install, just not installed by default
[17:21] <Some_Person> I think that's a poor decision. I did not even know GIMP existed until I saw it included back when I first tried Ubuntu Breezy
[17:21] <penguin42> Some_Person: It's pretty big and hard for people to learn - a lot of people just want something that can slice and dice their photos
[17:22] <Some_Person> What will take GIMP's place?
[17:22] <Some_Person> I wouldn't call it "big and hard"
[17:22] <penguin42> I think f-spot will do most people
[17:22] <crimsun> nothing is taking GIMP's place.
[17:23] <crimsun> as penguin42 said, it's still in main; it's still supported; it's still installable. It just isn't shipped on the Lucid desktop cd.
[17:23] <Some_Person> f-spot is too limited and is library-based
[17:23] <penguin42> Some_Person: It's fine for the people who just want to tweak their photos, and the people who want more can just install gimp
[17:23] <crimsun> Some_Person: so install GIMP after you establish a network connection.
[17:24] <penguin42> (although I agree, I don't find f-spot's libraries that intuitive)
[17:25] <Some_Person> I don't generally like library-based applications (with some exceptions). A lot of the image editing I do ends up not belonging in a library
[17:25] <penguin42> Some_Person: Which is why you'll still install Gimp!
[17:26] <crimsun> there has been no infringement upon your "right" to use GIMP. Move along, nothing to see.
[17:26] <Some_Person> I know, but it does decrease awareness of it
[17:26] <crimsun> how, praytell, would that be the case?
[17:27] <crimsun> If anything, thanks to google search results, it's now *more* visible.
[17:27] <penguin42> crimsun: I suppose the argument is you just try Ubuntu and try everything in the menus and find gimp
[17:27] <penguin42> crimsun: Which to be fair does happen for those who don't know about it
[17:28] <crimsun> penguin42: and those same people are not well-suited to use the GIMP as an editor.
[17:28] <Some_Person> Like I said, if it were not included back when I installed 5.10, it would have taken longer for me to know about it, while the whole time I'd probably be using something like gpaint (because I was used to mspaint and its limitations)
[17:29] <penguin42> crimsun: I don't know, there are arty people who do get on with tools like that but might not be generally that familiar with the rest of computing
[17:29] <penguin42> crimsun: Heck, there are people who can understand blender.....
[17:29] <crimsun> it's pretty difficult not to see Applications> Ubuntu software center> search box> gimp
[17:30] <Some_Person> Why not just make f-spot default and include Gimp for those who want/need it?
[17:30] <penguin42> crimsun: No, not search - that's if you know there is a thing called gimp to look for
[17:30] <crimsun> or, if you don't know "gimp", you could use "image editor"
[17:30] <penguin42> crimsun: But Applications->Ubuntu software centre->Image editing should show it you - I think software centre does solve this problem to quite a degree
[17:31] <crimsun> Some_Person: because there's this thing called a limited amount of space on the cd.
[17:31] <Some_Person> penguin42: But I think you're far more likely to use what's included than install X random program and try it
[17:31] <Some_Person> crimsun: It fit before. I asked what's replacing it, and was told nothing.
[17:31] <penguin42> Some_Person: software centre is quite nice for that because you can browse it in the same way as the menus and it has review scores
[17:32]  * penguin42 hadn't realised why software centre was any use before
[17:32] <crimsun> Some_Person: f-spot is there, but it isn't a replacement.
[17:32] <mc44> crimsun: if only DVDs were ubiquitous! :p
[17:32] <Some_Person> What's replacing its space on the CD?
[17:32] <Some_Person> mc44: 4GB download on my connection = hell
[17:32] <crimsun> Some_Person: language packs, if possible.
[17:32] <penguin42> Some_Person: The CD is a pretty tight squeeze
[17:33] <mc44> Some_Person: just because it could be 4GB doesn't mean it would be, but yeah it'd probably be bigger.
[17:33] <tgpraveen1> Some_Person: pittivi video editor
[17:34] <Some_Person> I would argue that it would make sense to remove other things before gimp (e.g. tomboy)
[17:34] <Some_Person> Who the heck uses tomboy for anything productive anyway?
[17:35] <penguin42> Some_Person: The '4GB is hell on my connection' is why it's good to have a relatively small CD and then people who just want gimp or the like can get that rather than have a bigger CD/DVD
[17:35] <crimsun> Some_Person: people argue all sorts of things.
[17:35] <crimsun> Some_Person: also, nothing prevents you from respinning the cd, removing mono, and readding gimp.
[17:36] <Some_Person> penguin42: That's why I think apps should be prioritized. Most important/popular gets in, less important/popular hits the bin
[17:36] <bjsnider> gimp isn't on the cd anymore? oh no, it's tragic
[17:36] <bjsnider> pardon me while i hang myself
[17:36] <crimsun> I know -- end of the world
[17:36] <Some_Person> crimsun: Mono's included now?
[17:36] <crimsun> mono has been there for ages.
[17:37] <penguin42> Some_Person: Of course but important is different for different people; most people just want to be able to crop/colour tweak photos and hence f-spot is more important than gimp, and now cheap cameras can do video it's more important to gain a simple video editor
[17:37] <mc44> should replace the GIMP with Paint.NET
[17:37] <Some_Person> Is a "simple video editor" included?
[17:37] <om26er> Some_Person, yes
[17:37] <crimsun> (pitivi)
[17:37] <om26er> Some_Person, its called pitivi
[17:38] <penguin42> (I wish it was called video editor or the like, heck everything else is going that way)
[17:38] <Some_Person> Ok, I totally agree with including a video editor.
[17:38] <om26er> how would you pronunciate that. peetv?
[17:38] <crimsun> penguin42: instead of "Pitivi Video Editor"?
[17:39] <penguin42> crimsun: Oh yes, I missed it included 'video editor' in the menu option
[17:39] <mc44> Hmm, shouldn't totem be "Totem Movie Player" instead of "Movie Player"
[17:40] <sebsebseb> Hi
[17:40] <Some_Person> Ok, so maybe this isn't a bad decision after all
[17:40] <sebsebseb> Some_Person: Just joined, maybe what isn't a bad decision after all?
[17:41] <Some_Person> sebsebseb: removing gimp from a default install
[17:42] <sebsebseb> Some_Person: That doesn't really effect me, it's also in the software centre recommended apps.
[17:42] <bjsnider> sebsebseb, william shatner making another album
[17:42] <Some_Person> I just hope Empathy improved since Karmic
[17:42] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: What?
[17:42] <sebsebseb> Some_Person: Well you can use Pidgin :)
[17:42] <sebsebseb> Some_Person: for IM
[17:43] <Some_Person> sebsebseb: When I'm using a live CD for whatever reason, I tend to use whatever IRC client is there, and ubuntu has Empathy
[17:44] <Some_Person> Does Empathy at least allow normal IRC / commands?
[17:44] <Some_Person> (in lucid)
[17:44] <om26er_dc> Some_Person: yes
[17:44] <crimsun> mc44: possibly, but it's the official GNOME player, where as Pitivi isn't official
[17:45] <om26er_dc> Some_Person: /part dont work
[17:45] <crimsun> mc44: so, arguably, the distinction is useful
[17:45] <badp> is Tracker the Ubuntu-supported indexing system?
[17:45] <sebsebseb> Some_Person: For IRC it's probably better to still use real IRC clients such as,  Konversation,  Xchat,  and IRSSI
[17:45] <crimsun> mc44: then again, I tend toward consistency and would likely be happy to see a bug report asking for the Name to be changed for Pitivi
[17:46] <Some_Person> sebsebseb: But none of those are included, and I find it inconvienent to install an app every time I boot to a live cd
[17:46] <sebsebseb> Some_Person: I see
[17:47] <badp> doesn't freenode come with a webchat of sorts?
[17:47] <Some_Person> badp: Java
[17:47] <badp> =/
[17:48] <badp> quakenet has an OSS ajax chat system that works with no addons, but that doesn't help you :)
[17:48] <guntbert> badp: webchat.freenode.net
[17:48] <badp> oh, that one :D
[17:49] <badp> there you go, Some_Person :)
[17:50] <mc44> crimsun: I suppose it depends on whether you think it fits in the category of things like "Sound Recorder" and "Calculator", though the fact is it does have a separate name, and should probably be the same as say rhythmbox
[17:50] <tgpraveen1>  is it possible to have group chat/conference in yahoo using empathy/telepathy?
[17:50] <tgpraveen1> it is possible using pidgin
[17:50] <Some_Person> badp/guntbert: Oh, I didn't know about that
[17:50] <om26er_dc> tgpraveen1: no
[17:50] <om26er_dc> tgpraveen1: works for msn
[17:50] <om26er_dc> not for msn
[17:50] <tgpraveen1> om26er_dc: u sure? it works for xmpp too
[17:55] <Some_Person> I also think something should be done about gnome-screensaver's preferences
[17:57] <crimsun> Some_Person: file a bug report, please.
[17:57] <Some_Person> It was filed years ago
[17:58] <Some_Person> The problem is that gnome-screensaver doesn't allow configuration of each individual screensaver
[18:01] <Some_Person> Someone did create an app intended as a replacement for gnome-screensaver's preferences that does allow this (and it's what I use), though it is a bit rough around the edges, requires mono, and has compiling problems
[18:02] <crimsun> I'm sure the fact that it requires Mono will make all the naysayers smile.
[18:03] <Some_Person> the app I refer to: http://software.xfx.net/utilities/sss/
[18:03] <crimsun> nonetheless, Chris C is pretty awesome at fixing GNOME bugs despite his time being snatched by new father duties.
[18:04] <Some_Person> (don't download the .deb package on that page, it is totally borked)
[18:07] <Some_Person> I put in a PPA which supplies good .deb packages
[18:19] <penguin42> crimsun: I find people who I know who have just gained fathering duties tend to suddenly find a lot of time to do stuff at 3am
[18:20] <BUGabundo> anyone here uses mumble?
[18:21] <Ian_Corne> me
[18:21] <Ian_Corne> but not actively last week
[18:21] <Ian_Corne> stopped playing wow again :p
[18:22] <BUGabundo> ehe
[18:22] <BUGabundo> I'm testing it a bit
[18:22] <BUGabundo> and trying to get an android app that uses it protocol
[18:22] <Ian_Corne> ah nice
[18:22] <BUGabundo> does it do cross server?
[18:22] <Ian_Corne> cross server?
[18:22] <BUGabundo> or only ppl in the same server?
[18:22] <Ian_Corne> not that I know of
[18:22] <BUGabundo> yeah, if can talk to you if you are on another server
[18:22] <BUGabundo> aka federation
[18:22] <Ian_Corne> why would you want to talk to people on a diffrent server?
[18:23] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[18:23] <BUGabundo> ease of connection
[18:23] <Ian_Corne> there's a mumble channel
[18:23] <Ian_Corne> Haven't read anything about it tho
[18:23] <BUGabundo> #mumble
[18:24] <Ian_Corne> how come on one system, libx264-85 shows as a dependecy of vlc, but on another not?
[18:24] <BUGabundo> update apt?
[18:24] <Ian_Corne> aptitude
[18:28] <BUGabundo> no, I mean apt db
[18:34] <Ian_Corne> oh
[18:34] <Ian_Corne> it's updated :p
[18:34] <Ian_Corne> or ?
[18:35] <xiambax> Can someone tell me what im doing wrong
[18:35] <xiambax> im using jockey to install my nvidia drivers
[18:35] <xiambax> and my jockey log states
[18:35] <xiambax> 2010-03-07 12:25:34,235 WARNING: modinfo for module nvidia failed: ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia
[18:37] <Ian_Corne> maybe something ubuntu-devs did to protect your computer?
[18:37] <Ian_Corne> with all the overheating risks and stuff
[18:38] <xiambax> huh?
[18:38] <Ian_Corne> 13:15:51 <@Ian> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODA0MA
[18:38] <Ian_Corne> 13:15:59 <@Ian> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-March/030380.html
[18:39] <BluesKaj> xiambax, using jockey is hit and miss at best , which nvidia card
[18:39] <xiambax> nvidia 7050 integrated
[18:40] <xiambax> should i update to latest and try again?
[18:40] <xiambax> this is a clean alpha 3 install
[18:40] <Ian_Corne> I'd update
[18:40] <xiambax> ok
[18:40] <Ian_Corne> first thing I do when a clean install is, update and upgrade :)
[18:40] <Ian_Corne> the installer has this new feature, to update the installer
[18:40] <Ian_Corne> wich is nice!
[18:41] <xiambax> Ok. I will be back in 40 mins when this is done downloading
[18:41] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[18:41] <xiambax> Having 6 of your own computers and two roommates who both torrent is kind of a pain sometimes
[18:42] <hifi> QoS
[18:45] <bjsnider> Bluesjockey is not hit or miss
[18:45] <bjsnider> jockey works fine
[18:46] <xiambax-G5> Harro
[18:50] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: you got any luck on that build of flashcam?
[18:56] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i've been doing other things today so far
[18:57] <bjsnider> haven't got round to it
[19:00] <BluesKaj> is the nvidia Riva/TNT/Geforce driver a modded 195?
[19:04] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, negative. no worries there
[19:05] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, I got it from alberto milone's repos ..his stuff is usually reliable
[19:06] <bjsnider> then why are you badmouthing jockey?
[19:06] <bjsnider> alberto designed it
[19:06] <bjsnider> it's his code
[19:06] <BluesKaj> I bjsnider , it works for some and not others
[19:07] <bjsnider> that's not the position of the x devs
[19:07] <badp> What is the package that handles font rendering? I have an issue to report with FreeSans bold.
[19:07] <bjsnider> all you ipod people switch to this and suffer no more: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-12519_7-10396458-49.html
[19:08] <BluesKaj> well, it's not a position so much as an opinion on my part, from the probs I've seen with it here
[19:09] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, people in here who have had problems with it recently have pooched their systems and jockey failing is just a by-product of that
[19:12] <BluesKaj> ok, I've been trying to avoid using it and advising ppl to drop to a tty and remove their old driver and then install the proper driver after stopping g/kdm. You may be right that jockey is finally working the way it's supposed to.
[19:23] <AlienX> bjsnider, that looks pretty slick
[19:23] <AlienX> (the iAudio 9)
[19:25] <bjsnider> AlienX, it lacks the main feature of an ipod: the remarkable ability to get the user to buy more stuff from apple
[19:26] <alex88_> hi, i've a problem, the system won't boot, it stops booting after fsck
[19:26] <bjsnider> you plug it in and drag & drop your songs onto it like a usb thumb drive, no crap transcoding happens
[19:26] <AlienX> bjsnider, heh, I have an iphone, mostly because i ditched the android phones since the OS is still a bit buggy but I've never actually used it to play MP3s lol
[19:26] <AlienX> alex88_, any error messages?
[19:26] <BUGabundo> AlienX: you are SOOO wrong
[19:27] <BUGabundo> mine plays pretty much anything I trow at it
[19:27] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, the android does?
[19:27] <alex88_> AlienX: i've removed quiet from grub, it loads something, that changes resolution of screen, then it says /dev/sda1 clean and nothing else
[19:28] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: sure does
[19:28] <bjsnider> 24-bit flac?
[19:28] <AlienX> BUGabundo, well, put it this way...I worked for google while the phone was in development, and I still have lots of friends using the nexus 1 and while they all say it's quite a bit better than the older release versions, things like the on screen keyboard still leave a lot to be desired, apps still crash fairly frequently, etc.
[19:28] <alex88_> AlienX: i'm on livecd you need some logs?
[19:28] <BUGabundo> running cianogenmod based in 1.6
[19:28] <BUGabundo> AlienX: good for you ! but I don't use standard Android or HTC_IME keyb
[19:28] <BUGabundo> I use ASK and swype
[19:29] <AlienX> alex88_, what's your hardware?
[19:29] <BUGabundo> I don't remember when I had my last FC
[19:29] <BUGabundo> and I have 65 apps installed im my SD
[19:29] <BUGabundo> I got a 1yo HTC Magic
[19:29] <AlienX> BUGabundo, I'm not trying to brag, simply making a point that I do have a certain familiarity with the devices :)
[19:29] <alex88_> AlienX: i'm on asus g2s laptop, sorry, i've forgot to say that it was working fine, i've just reinstalled grub after windows install
[19:31] <BUGabundo> AlienX: I do love the plataform, and my magic!
[19:31] <AlienX> alex88_, what's your video chipset out of curiosity?
[19:31] <BUGabundo> iphone tells me nothing
[19:31] <AlienX> BUGabundo, what do you mean it tells you nothing?
[19:31] <alex88_> AlienX: nvidia 8600M gt
[19:31] <BUGabundo> I get lost in that
[19:31] <BUGabundo> was trying to set up google contacts in one , yesterday
[19:32] <BUGabundo> keept opening windws I didn't ask for
[19:32] <BUGabundo> and very ugly UI to change stuff
[19:32] <BUGabundo> its so easy in android
[19:32] <AlienX> alex88_, you might be having an issue with plymouth which (in my opinion) is a rather dreadful addition to the OS.
[19:32] <BUGabundo> ....rather *broken* one
[19:33] <alex88_> AlienX: i've removed it some days ago due the enter press bug
[19:33] <AlienX> BUGabundo, well, given the fact android is developed by google, it's absolutely reasonable their apps would work better. Though I do admit, I really can't stand that apple has blocked google for actually making their apps useful on the iphone.
[19:33] <BUGabundo> :p
[19:34] <alex88_> AlienX: i've chrooted and it's not installed
[19:34] <BUGabundo> well, move to #android or #cyanogenmod if you want to keep up discusing this offtopic... ppl here do mind OT
[19:34] <AlienX> alex88_, if you do have any logging, you might want to put it up on pastebin and see if there's anything useful there to look at
[19:35] <diseno> saludos
[19:35] <diseno> problerma con driver nouveau en ubuntu alpha 3 10.04
[19:36] <alex88_> AlienX: http://pastebin.com/9Ujg4nBM here is /var/log/dmesg
[19:36] <alex88_> sry..wrong
[19:36] <alex88_> http://pastebin.com/fiFB5LLU here it is
[19:37] <alex88_> AlienX: i've also tried to enable /etc/default/bootlogd but /var/log/boot still remains empty
[19:39] <AlienX> alex88_, hm, i don't see anything particularly out of the ordinary with your dmesg output. It does look like you're running an older revision of the kernel from the current.
[19:40] <alex88_> AlienX: but it worked fine still i've reinstalled grub.. :S
[19:40] <alex88_> AlienX: for install lastest kernel i can download from ppa and install using chroot+dpkg?
[19:40] <AlienX> Yeah, that's pretty odd, I'm not sure what to tell you. You could try to do a reinstall again without formatting any of the disks and see if that helps
[19:41] <alex88_> AlienX: reinstall without formatting? doesn't install automatically format when you say what partition to use as / ?
[19:41] <guntbert> alex88_: you are not talking about ubuntu lucid - are you?
[19:41] <alex88_> guntbert: yes i am
[19:41] <BUGabundo> alex88_: no
[19:42] <BUGabundo> unless you choose too
[19:42] <AlienX> alex88_, you can always tell the partitioner not to format the device.
[19:42] <BUGabundo> since 8.04
[19:42] <AlienX> brb
[19:42] <alex88_> BUGabundo: ok, i'll try later, i have to save some things before
[19:42] <alex88_> AlienX: thank for your help
[19:43] <alex88_> btw, what's latest kernel in lucid updates?
[19:43] <alex88_> guntbert: why you think i'm not on lucid?
[19:44] <danis> btw, 2.6.32-15-generic
[19:44] <alex88_> thank you danis
[19:44] <guntbert> alex88_: no - I was asking about the topic of your conversation - but forget my question
[19:46] <alex88_> guntbert: np man.. =)
[19:49] <prjktdtnt> on alpha 3 where would i go to change the position of the maximize, minimize and close buttons? for some reason they've moved to the left side of the window (think mac style) and it's driving me bonkers
[19:49] <guntbert> prjktdtnt: gconf-editor apps/compiz/general/buttonlayout
[19:50] <prjktdtnt> guntbert, thx i'll look at that one
[19:50] <Ian_Corne> any gui editors for fstab?
[19:51] <guntbert> prjktdtnt: yw - not completely certain about the path though
[19:51] <alex88_> Ian_Corne: http://pysdm.sourceforge.net/
[19:52] <prjktdtnt> guntbert, can't be sure either, it's core dumping on me
[19:52] <Ian_Corne> oh gparted does it too
[19:52] <prjktdtnt> guntbert, http://pastebin.org/103964
[19:52] <alex88_> brb, restarting
[19:53] <prjktdtnt> although at least you've got me going in the right direction, used to know this but it's been so long since i screwed about with window stuff
[19:53] <un214> hmmph
[19:53] <guntbert> prjktdtnt: just start gconf-editor - the path was meant to be followed inside
[19:53] <prjktdtnt> guntbert, oops ok i'll take a look at that
[19:53] <Ian_Corne> nope, gparted just shows the current mountpoints
[19:53] <un214> looks like I need to full disable noveau drivers, kms, and fbcon
[19:53] <un214> the stupid driver is too unstable
[19:55] <prjktdtnt> guntbert, if you're running no vis effects the keyname is /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
[19:55] <prjktdtnt> and again thankyou for pointing me in the right direction
[19:55] <un214> does anybody actually know how to do it?
[19:56] <guntbert> prjktdtnt: you're welcome :-) and thx for reporting back - my memory fails sometimes :-)
[19:57] <prjktdtnt> guntbert, also appears that compiz will follow metacity's setting for that, thanks again :)
[19:57] <guntbert> prjktdtnt: glad to hear :)
[20:04] <un214> help, how to purge nouvau driver from my system?
[20:05] <alex88> hi, i'm alex88_... xD
[20:05] <alex88> back
[20:18] <mdlueck> I just updated my Alpha 3 VM today, and suddenly the window close X jumps from the top/right to the top/left. Why!?!?
[20:19] <mdlueck> To match Mac OS rather than Windows?
[20:19] <DanaG> nope, it doesn't even match OS X.  It's just "fail".
[20:19] <ZykoticK9> mdlueck, this was a design change -- see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side if you want to switch it back
[20:19] <DanaG> It's a design choice -- a bad one.
[20:20] <DanaG> Is there some actual _bug report_ about that?
[20:20] <BUGabundo> crimsun: pavucontrol is showing chromium (flash) but not messuring the volume scale
[20:20] <mdlueck> DanaG: I came here first. Did not dig into the sea of tickets first.
[20:21] <mdlueck> ZykoticK9: Thanks for the pointer. Ubuntu makes my head shake.
[20:23] <mdlueck> Like I want to go hand tweaking every box I am on under the sun! Gnome took the button away that flipped between button and path in the "URL" bar, now Ubuntu switches the default position of buttons, "but they can BOTH be undone via hacking the config files" WHY!?!?
[20:25] <arand> DanaG: After running the themes for a while I have to agree, buggy, ugly.
[20:25] <BUGabundo> ahaah
[20:25] <penguin42> mdlueck: I wish I knew, I think you should be able to script the fixes - but it is a pain
[20:25] <jo-erlend> is anyone able to connect to facebook chat with empathy in lucid?
[20:25] <arand> A great releif that human-theme is still in the repos..
[20:26] <ZykoticK9> jo-erlend, it's certainly working with Pidgin for me
[20:26] <jo-erlend> arand, yes...
[20:31] <mdlueck> Just applied latest updates to A3, via Gnome interface can not connect to a Samba share. Fill in the first dialog screen, next should come a prompt for password, none comes up, and I see processes stuck in ps aux. Can anyone confirm this?
[20:32] <mdlueck> penguin42: Yes I "can" script an "Undo-Ubuntu.sh"... just annoying when such things are worked on while other bugs go untouched.
[20:43] <happyhobo> Since no one seems to like the left orientation, can we make our voices known to authorities that be we want our right orientation back?
[20:43] <happyhobo> That sounds kind of sexual.  LOL
[20:48] <mdlueck> happyhobo: :-)
[20:48] <happyhobo> Hi mdlueck
[20:49] <alex88> happyhobo: there is a pool about that
[20:49] <happyhobo> I upgraded from 9:10 to 10.4 alpha 3 by doing a dist-upgrade.
[20:49] <alex88> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422422 i think they put it back to right
[21:13] <crimsun> BUGabundo: only for chromium?
[21:14] <BUGabundo> crimsun: didn't try in FF
[21:14] <BUGabundo> from my testing input levels work fine
[21:14] <BUGabundo> output not so much
[21:14] <BUGabundo> let me open mocp
[21:15] <BUGabundo> crimsun: confirmed: mocp is also not showing levels
[21:18] <crimsun> BUGabundo: I presume that mocp is using the pulse alsa-plugin?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> no idea
[21:18] <BUGabundo> how can I check?
[21:19] <crimsun> BUGabundo: what does it show in pavucontrol?
[21:20] <lamalex> can anyone play dvds with menus in totem?
[21:20] <BUGabundo> crimsun: alsa-plugin
[21:20] <crimsun> BUGabundo: I'm pretty sure that would be a local issue
[21:21] <BUGabundo> crimsun: ok, so how to debug and fix?
[21:21] <crimsun> BUGabundo: first, is it reproducible after you logout and login?
[21:22] <BUGabundo> let me purge flash and reboot
[21:22] <crimsun> e.g., I can't reproduce that symptom. http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/Screenshot.png
[21:23] <BUGabundo> crimsun: could it be theme wise?
[21:23] <LinuxGuy2009> When is Beta 1 gonna be here? Is it expected to have all of the new changes and features incorporated into it so that i can begin testing for bugs on my hardware?
[21:23] <BUGabundo> LinuxGuy2009: /topic
[21:23] <BUGabundo> LinuxGuy2009: the earlier you start the better
[21:23] <BUGabundo> beta will be prob to lat
[21:24] <crimsun> BUGabundo: "theme wise"?
[21:24] <BUGabundo> im not using ambience
[21:24] <BUGabundo> but new dust
[21:24] <yofel> !schedule | LinuxGuy2009
[21:24] <LinuxGuy2009> Ok Im willing to start testing now.
[21:24] <crimsun> BUGabundo: I don't see how a gtk theme would affect the pulse alsa-plugin ...
[21:24] <BUGabundo> but the drawing of the bar, maybe
[21:25] <LinuxGuy2009> Thats one thing I hope will work on release. pulseaudio. Dread dealing with that. Ok Ill go download.
[21:25] <crimsun> BUGabundo: well, does pavucontrol emit gtk errors when started from a terminal?
[21:25] <BUGabundo> let me see
[21:25] <BUGabundo> (pavucontrol:5149): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: cannot register existing type `gtkmm__GtkTextBuffer'
[21:26] <crimsun> BUGabundo: well, revert to ambience and reproduce it
[21:26] <BUGabundo> nothing more then that
[21:26] <LinuxGuy2009> Do i need to do a hard drive install or can I just do testing on the live CD session and be ok?
[21:27] <crimsun> LinuxGuy2009: bare metal installs are always more useful, but solely the latter would help, too
[21:27] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:27] <BUGabundo> crimsun: it shows now
[21:27] <LinuxGuy2009> Ok I guess Ill be brave and just install. hehe
[21:27] <crimsun> BUGabundo: right, I'm not the caretaker of gtk theme boogs ;-)
[21:28] <BUGabundo> okay
[21:28] <BUGabundo> carry on
[21:28] <LinuxGuy2009> Where do i download Lucid from Ive never download a testing version.
[21:28] <LinuxGuy2009> NM got it
[21:29] <yofel> !daily | LinuxGuy2009
[21:30] <BUGabundo> LinuxGuy2009: you can also upgrade those images with $ zsync
[21:30] <BUGabundo> so no need to re-download the all thing
[21:30]  * BUGabundo defaults to Ambience and tries to stick with it
[21:30] <LinuxGuy2009> zsync something new? Ive used jigdo many times but never heard of the other before.
[21:30] <BUGabundo> I do like the dark menu
[21:32] <jason_> I downloaded ubuntu 10.04 alpha just to try it out but was wondering if I update through the update manager when 10.04 becomes stable will that work or do i need to reinstall with the stable version of 10.04?
[21:32]  * duffydack likes ambience..
[21:33] <crimsun> jason_: just continue to update with whatever intended frequency, and you'll have 10.04
[21:34] <crimsun> that said, it being a dev release, you probably want to check updates daily
[21:34] <crimsun> note that I said "check", not "apply blindly"
[21:35] <Mage__> crimsun, do you think you could show me how to edit the file to get full surround sound? :)
[21:35] <crimsun> Mage__: the what?
[21:35] <Mage__> crimsun, last time i was here you said that there was a way to get full surround sound, but i would have to edit some files.  since i can only get 2.1
[21:35] <jason_> crimsun, that was my next question ... where do i check here?
[21:36] <crimsun> Mage__: you've given me no actual context [for your hardware]
[21:37] <Mage__> crimsun, the asoundrc file you said i needed create a custom one.  my motherboard is a asus m2v, the sound card is an alc 660
[21:38] <crimsun> Mage__: did you establish that speaker-test -c6 -Dplug:surround51 -twav does not work?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> oh man.... ambience is toooooo bright
[21:38] <Mage__> crimsun, yes, i only get sound from the front left and right
[21:38] <BUGabundo> its burning my eye balls :(
[21:38] <jason_> crimsun, is it safe to update today?
[21:38] <crimsun> jason_: yes
[21:39] <BUGabundo> jason_: seems so
[21:39] <crimsun> BUGabundo: indeed
[21:39] <jason_> crimsun, where do i find out when its safe for the future? here?
[21:39] <crimsun> Mage__: I think you can take a bit of intiative and run the alsa-info.sh and proceed
[21:40] <Mage__> crimsun, alright i'll look that up
[21:41] <BUGabundo> crimsun: worse part: all changes  I try to do to the collor sceme make it WORSE
[21:41] <Mage__> crimsun, http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=bd6c67411687998fcbab6373aa1fbfabca2e6942 there is the link it produced
[21:57] <voidmage> rhythmbox is segfaulting with "(rhythmbox:28480): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_sequence_get: assertion `iter != NULL' failed". No apport icon shows up in my tray, and when I try to report it I have options "interface is not working correctly", "no sound is being played", and "some audio files are not played correctly"
[21:58] <voidmage> none of those seem to describe a segfault so I don't know how to properly report the bug
[21:58] <solid_liquid> anyone else had a problem with the computer locking up whenever the screen blanks?
[22:06] <poseidon> Hey guys, I was trying to install kubuntu lucid lynx on my 64bit intel centrino 2, however after I selected install or to test without installing, my screen went blank
[22:06] <poseidon> I was using the alpha 3 build
[22:07] <crimsun> voidmage: firstly, create a new user and reproduce the symptom.
[22:07] <crimsun> voidmage: if you can reproduce the symptom, continue debugging with gst-launch playbin [..]
[22:14] <poseidon> I used the 64bit install cd
[22:16] <yofel> poseidon: I think I got the same here too, you could try a daily build
[22:19] <solid_liquid> poseidon, daily builds worked for me.  Everything before 10.04 daily gave me that same problem (including 9.10, 9.04, 8.10) on my new core i5 laptop that has the GPU integrated into the same package as the CPU
[22:58] <BUGabundo> grrrr
[22:58] <BUGabundo> where is that little brat that kept murfing for two cycles about aptitude progress bar????
[22:59] <BUGabundo> you are the root cause of Bug 515525, probably my only consistent bug in lucid
[23:00] <yofel> BUGabundo: you mean, output not progessing when screen too large?
[23:00] <BUGabundo> humm no
[23:02] <xiambax> sorry i quit
[23:02] <xiambax> did anyone reply?
[23:04] <seanbrystone> xiambax, doesnt look like it
[23:04] <xiambax> Ah shucks
[23:04] <thak> Hey, I was wondering whether the task bar volume control disappearing in lucid is expected behaviour?
[23:04] <xiambax> This noscanout is a bother
[23:04] <xiambax> the graphics driver is working
[23:05] <xiambax> but max rez is 600x800
[23:05] <seanbrystone> thak in a alpha *ANYthing* is "expected" but i'd check the bug reports to see if its been reported yet
[23:06] <xiambax> it has
[23:06] <infecto> hmm
[23:06] <infecto> i have no sound under kde
[23:07] <infecto> pulse audio should be first or last in Sound configuration?
[23:07] <infecto> hmm
[23:09] <seanbrystone> thak, you can check for bugs here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[23:09] <thak> Yes, I've begun exploring...
[23:10] <thak> I don't see it, but I could just be searching for it incorrectly...
[23:25] <Guest10472> how do I try the new lucid theme please? do i need to download it seperately
[23:25] <yofel> francis03: they should be installed by an update (called ambiance and radiance in the menu)
[23:26] <francis03> yes I thought this but I updated to find nothing?
[23:26] <JanC> it worked for me
[23:26] <francis03> i get the new wallpaper at login but then it changes abckl to old one
[23:27] <happyhobo> The new one is doofunkus
[23:27] <JanC> you have to change to the new theme in teh Appearance applet
[23:27] <francis03> but I dont see them there, just the usual dust, sand etc
[23:28] <yofel> francis03: do you have 'light-themes' installed?
[23:28] <francis03> not sure
[23:29] <francis03> i just installed lucid to try the new themes, updated the system logged back in and all I see different is a new wallpaper at login nothing else
[23:30] <happyhobo> francis03:  how did you miss the buttons on the left?
[23:31] <francis03> hehe they arnt on the left thats what I mean, they are on the right and its not the new ones its the old brown ones :(
[23:31] <yofel> francis03: well, can you check in synaptic if you have 'light-themes' installed, that's the package with the new themes
[23:31] <JanC> francis03: what theme is on the login screen?
[23:32] <happyhobo> brb you kooky crazy cats
[23:33] <francis03> yofel installing now =D
[23:33] <yofel> francis03: and if you have the 'ubuntu-artwork' package installed
[23:33] <francis03> JanC looks like a light one with the new purple wallpaper but then it logs in to the brown and orange  theme
[23:33] <yofel> francis03: actually... do you have 'ubuntu-desktop' installed?
[23:34] <sahk0> anyone having problems with networkmanager 0.8? i dont seem to be able to connect with it ever. in 9.10 it works great
[23:34] <francis03> yes already do yofel
[23:34] <francis03> whooo ambience is cooll
[23:35] <infecto> 50% cpu usage playing hd avi by mplayer :)
[23:35] <francis03> but buttons still on the right =/
[23:37] <sahk0> anyone?
[23:38] <BUGabundo> francis gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string ":minimize,maximize,close"
[23:38] <BUGabundo> bah he left
[23:38] <yofel> sahk0: it doesn't seem to recognize my mobile phone anymore, but works fine for wifi
[23:39] <sahk0> the 9.10 has the best networkmanager ive seen. but 0.8 version in 10.04 doesnt  work AT ALL for me
[23:39] <sahk0> it never connects
[23:39] <JanC> anything in dmesg or syslog?
[23:39] <yofel> sahk0: what connection type?
[23:40] <sahk0> WPA2
[23:40] <JanC> might be a driver issue too then
[23:40] <sahk0> JanC: didnt check yet tbh. i just booted back to 9.10
[23:40]  * yofel would think so too
[23:40] <JanC> what wireless chip?
[23:40] <BUGabundo> I was using NM from ppa and it was fine
[23:40] <BUGabundo> before it broke on dhclient
[23:40] <sahk0> 01:00.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2860
[23:41] <BUGabundo> ahhh ralink
[23:41] <sahk0> i downloaded 03/07/2010 netbook iso btw
[23:41] <sahk0> BUGabundo: what does that mean? :p
[23:42] <BUGabundo> it sucks
[23:42] <BUGabundo> sorry,.... no ....
[23:42] <BUGabundo> its PAST sucking
[23:42] <yofel> sahk0: odd, I have a rt2860 too, but it works fine with knetworkmanager 0.8
[23:42] <thak> What is the widget that controls volume called?
[23:43] <BUGabundo> thak: Indicator Applet
[23:43] <sahk0> BUGabundo: i just care that it works (in previous versions)
[23:43] <BUGabundo> lucky you
[23:46] <thak> What controls the applications that appear in the Add to Panel dialog?
[23:46] <yofel> thak: depends on what applets are installed I think
[23:46] <thak> and the volume control is indicator applet?
[23:47] <Ian_Corne> yes
[23:47] <Ian_Corne> I forsee problems with people that upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 and have remove indicator applet from the panel
[23:48] <JanC> ralink is past sucking because it randomly works or not depending on the manufacturer's janitor's current mood
[23:48] <thak> So, it has purposefully been removed?
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> what has?
[23:49] <thak> The volume control?
[23:49] <thak> from the panel?
[23:49] <sahk0> it works very good with wicd all the time. plus it also works reliably with 0.8git-something 9.10 had. so it seems like a netwoorkmanager problem to me
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> it's merged into the indicator applet
[23:49] <yofel> thak: isn't that part of the indicator now?
[23:49] <yofel> ah :)
[23:49] <thak> I don't know what the indicator is...
[23:49] <thak> What did the indicator do?
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> it showed an enveloppe
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> now it does alot more
[23:50] <thak> Ah
[23:50] <thak> I turned it off because it annoyed the crap out of me
[23:50] <sahk0> i will check  the logs now. bbiab
[23:50] <thak> Thanks, now it makes sense
[23:51] <BUGabundo> ok, get seated
[23:51] <BUGabundo> you are going to laught at this
[23:51] <BUGabundo> so, every distro and WM design team
[23:51] <thak> Where would I re-add the new messaging center thing
[23:51] <BUGabundo> fight to get rid of the notification bar, cause it was very much badly use and abused by all apps
[23:52] <thak> That went next to the clock
[23:52] <BUGabundo> so now we are abusing the indicator?
[23:52] <BUGabundo> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[23:52] <Ian_Corne> indeed BUGabundo
[23:52] <yofel> BUGabundo: well, we have to abuse *something*
[23:52] <Ian_Corne> I don't really get it :p
[23:52] <yofel> preferably the most popular bit of the panel
[23:52] <Ian_Corne> and it forces all these apps to put the entire menu on a left click
[23:53] <sahk0> hhm which file does networkmanager log into?
[23:53] <thak> So, with the new messaging thing
[23:54] <yofel> sahk0: /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog I think
[23:54] <thak> If you want to use Pidgin, will it work with that as well?
[23:54] <sahk0> syslog has entries indeed
[23:54] <Ian_Corne> ~/.xsession-errors
[23:54] <Ian_Corne> might have something too
[23:55] <BUGabundo> thak: pidgin isn't even properly themed
[23:55] <BUGabundo> look at my screenshots at p.bugabundo.net
[23:55] <BUGabundo> you get a WHITE background
[23:56] <Ian_Corne> empathy is the way to go BUGabundo !
[23:56] <Ian_Corne> :p
[23:57] <test34> why the redirectect from bugadundo.net to posterous.net to bugadundo.net?
[23:57]  * BUGabundo slaps Ian_Corne with a koala tail
[23:57] <BUGabundo> test34: ?
[23:57] <BUGabundo> its a work in progress
[23:57] <BUGabundo> I killed my old jaiku account that was the div in there
[23:57] <test34> ok just wonderign
[23:57] <BUGabundo> and yesterday I spent like 30 min _fixing_ it
[23:58] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: i'm stuck with my Milestone and it's non-free bootloader :(
[23:58] <BUGabundo> ahah
[23:58] <BUGabundo> milestone is yet to be rooted
[23:58] <Ian_Corne> everything is signed :(
[23:59] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:59] <sahk0> does this tell anything to someone? http://pastebin.com/LnSwrgqX
[23:59] <BUGabundo> you read the bad news article on that?
[23:59] <h00k> does Gnome in Lucid have RGBA support?
[23:59] <Ian_Corne> yes