[01:05] <kwwii> zacbarton: hey, I realized that I had tried your solultion before...if you change th font size things crazy
[01:06] <kwwii> things *go* crazy
[01:06] <kwwii> anyway, time for sleep
[01:06] <kwwii> night
[02:47] <ripps> Hey, I was wondering if any of you artists would like to give me an honest this new gtk theme I made, it's based of the new Ambiance theme: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=121118
[02:47] <ripps> ^honest opinion
[04:19] <joeseph> hello
[16:15] <comutamike> hi guys - I'm struggling with packaging themes for Ubuntu - do we have any guidelines or notes on how to do it ?
[16:15] <dashua> Getting used to these metacity buttons on the left side already after just a few days.  It's a actually quite nice.
[16:41] <kwwii> comutamike: nothing of that sort that I know of, take a package and look at how it is done, copy that
[16:44] <comutamike> I tried that with the ubuntu artwork package - I tried uploading my version of that to launchpad, but it complained about the rules file - wich was't in the source.
[16:44] <sanderqd> kwwii: would it be possible to add some spacing between the legacy systray icons, to make it look more consistent?
[16:44] <kwwii> well, ubuntu-artwork is not the package you should look at, I think
[16:44] <kwwii> comutamike: what are you trying to package?
[16:44] <kwwii> sanderqd: yeah, I was thinking the same thing
[16:45] <kwwii> sanderqd: not sure how easily doable it is, but I will look into it
[16:45] <comutamike> I'm trying to package some wall papers and themes - That's what in the ubuntu artwork package
[16:45] <sanderqd> kwwii: it works out nicely in gnome-shell, and the spacing can become clickable so that it's easier to open their menus
[16:45] <comutamike> is there a better package i should use?
[16:52] <vish> kwwii: sanderqd: its being done in fedora , http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/mclasen/2009/10/26/5-little-things/
[16:52] <sanderqd> yeah, was looking for their code
[16:53] <comutamike> kwwii: I'll try re-packaging - ubuntu-wallpapers packages...
[17:03] <sanderqd> kwwii, vish: mclasen's patch for fedora is here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343436
[17:03] <sanderqd> this has shipped in F12, hopefully it's not too late to include in U10.04
[17:13] <thorwil> so far the only adjustment of the Artwork section of the wiki to the new situation is the removal of my Numerals page
[17:14] <vish> :(
[17:15] <thorwil> explanations of the new strategy as partly happened on Mark's blog should land in the wiki, too
[17:16] <thorwil> along of checking whether the message/audience stuff still makes sense
[17:16] <thorwil> would create a todo if only i could be bothered
[17:18] <thorwil> troy_s: you're much too nice and open for those commentators on reddit
[17:18] <troy_s> thorwil: Lol.
[17:19] <troy_s> thorwil: I got a warning from the forums. I was rather shocked on that front.
[17:19] <thorwil> troy_s: it's like a high-society gentleman trying to discuss greek philosophy with slum dwellers
[17:20] <troy_s> thorwil: I'm not very good with those high-society types. /me is from the slums.
[17:20] <thorwil> troy_s: warning on the ubuntu forums? did you raise the level of insight into critical heights?
[17:21] <troy_s> thorwil: Lol. No. I just tried to respond politely to what seemed to be a knee jerk comment.
[17:21] <thorwil> troy_s: just teasing you a bit. the contrast is there, though
[17:22] <thorwil> vish: just in case that isn't clear, i removed that myself
[17:22] <vish> thorwil: nah , i got that ;)
[17:30] <vish> thorwil: just today i was wondering about the numerals work you did and the revs it underwent..
[17:30] <thorwil> vish: i just file that as nice training
[17:31] <vish> thorwil: hehe , you should get into typography  ;p
[17:32] <thorwil> vish: what, should i get out just to reenter? ;p
[17:32] <vish> thorwil: lol.. i meant full-fledged
[17:35] <vish> hehe , noticed several comment on sabdfl's blog asking canonical to hire troy_s ;)
[17:41] <thorwil> yeah, i'm doing it wrong
[17:43] <troy_s> God that would never happen.
[17:43] <troy_s> Ever.
[17:43] <troy_s> Ugh.
[17:46] <troy_s> I'm well underqualified.
[17:47] <thorwil> i'm about 2,5 meters sideways-qualified for about everything
[17:48]  * thorwil leaves to move a fork to his mouth many times in succession
[18:26] <thorwil> plop
[18:27] <knome> hello thorwil
[18:27] <thorwil> hi knome. how is the mouse doing?
[18:28] <knome> haven't moved much during the weekend
[18:28] <knome> will get going again on monday when the design team returns to work
[18:28] <knome> i've been working mostly with the new website theme
[18:28] <kwwii> a mouse that doesn't move much must be dead ;)
[18:28] <knome> which is actually doing pretty well!
[18:29] <knome> kwwii, it's just paralyzed by my farts
[18:29] <knome> ;)
[18:29] <kwwii> :P
[18:46] <dashua> kwwii, Fixed about 10 reported bugs and another 10 unreported for light-themes.
[18:48] <kwwii> dashua: wow, sounds good!
[18:49] <dashua> I subscribed you to the branch.  Just let me know of any changes you need?
[18:49] <dashua> It's pretty easy to fix as it looks like a majority of the code is based on Dust ;)
[18:49] <kwwii> dashua: excellent, thanks! I'm heading out to the cinema in a bit
[18:49] <kwwii> dashua: indeed it is ;)
[18:50] <dashua> Np
[18:50] <dashua> Have fun :)
[18:50] <kwwii> I will check it out first thing tomorrow morning
[18:50] <kwwii> I hope to ;) you too!
[18:50] <dashua> Thx :)
[18:55] <psyke83> dashua: just took a look at your -refresh branch - is the combobox arrow part of the widget supposed to have that strong outline?
[19:18] <dashua> psyke83, Actually no.  I wanted it to all blend in.
[19:24] <psyke83> dashua: it's caused by a combination of the border_colors and contrast engine settings for the button style (lines 129, 130... at least in Ambience)
[19:25] <psyke83> commenting the lines seems to fix the problem
[19:27] <dashua> Ok cool. Thx.
[19:29] <dashua> Awesome.     Works great :)
[19:29] <psyke83> I'm not sure if you added the border_colors option to your refresh, or it was Ken and the other art people... but I think it slightly changes all button outlines when you comment it
[19:30] <psyke83> nevertheless, I think all buttons look fine (better?) with the lines commented :)
[19:31] <dashua> I added the border_shades and colors for the dimensional look, but this works out better.
[19:32] <dashua> Seems the combo isn't honoring the shades and colors even if added to combobox.
[19:33] <psyke83> well, the button style supersedes the combobox style
[19:33] <psyke83> it's something like GtkWindow.*.GtkComboBox.GtkButton
[19:34] <dashua> psyke83, Do know any workarounds for Vino?
[19:34] <psyke83> what's the problem?
[19:34] <dashua> It's taking the tooltip_bg color making it unreadable from the dark purple.
[19:34] <dashua> Open Remote Desktop
[19:34] <dashua> You will see it.
[19:34] <psyke83> ah
[19:35] <psyke83> it may be possible to add a theme override, but this is genuinely a problem with the application that should be fixed in its code
[19:36] <psyke83> it would be less painful if it used the tooltip_fg_color as well
[19:38] <psyke83> dashua: the eXperience gtk engine is useful for problems like this
[19:38] <thorwil> vish: added manual title page tests to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Artwork (look for 2010-03-07 a to e)
[19:39] <psyke83> dashua: I'm checking it now, but here's instructions for reference: http://ebm.pastebin.com/9sYVCptP
[19:40] <dashua> Yeah, the only I could only come up with lightening the tooltip_bg but that takes away from the projected look.
[19:40] <dashua> Nice, Let me check that out
[19:41] <psyke83> dashua: 'Classpath: GtkDialog.GtkVBox.GtkVBox.GtkVBox.GtkHBox.GtkEventBox.VinoMessageBox : "tooltip"'
[19:42] <psyke83> so you can add a "*VinoMessageBox*" override, perhaps
[19:42] <dashua> Let me try it.
[19:42] <vish> thorwil: > #u-manual
[19:48] <psyke83> dashua, this works: widget "*VinoMessageBox*" style:highest "murrine-tooltip2"
[19:48] <dashua> Ha cool
[19:49] <dashua> Just tried this style "vino_bg"
[19:49] <dashua> {
[19:49] <dashua> 	fg[NORMAL] = @bg_color
[19:49] <dashua> }
[19:49] <dashua> widget_class "*VinoMessageBox*" style "vino_bg"
[19:49] <psyke83> however, I can't make it change the tooltip_bg_color, only the tooltip_fg_color (so you can make the text white, for example)
[19:49] <dashua> And the text is readable now
[19:49] <psyke83> right... it's odd that the bg can't be changed
[19:49] <psyke83> perhaps it's drawn by a different class
[19:50] <dashua> Yeah
[19:51] <psyke83> it still doesn't look perfect (the progress ring is still in black, and is barely visible)
[19:55] <dashua> psyke83, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/45705/screenshot_011_YCVGYy.png
[19:55] <dashua> Not so good.
[19:55] <psyke83> just a sec
[20:01] <psyke83> dashua: it's better to patch vino, gimme a min
[20:03] <psyke83> dashua: is a bug for this issue filed yet?
[20:04] <dashua> Yeah
[20:05] <dashua> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/533520
[20:12] <psyke83> ok, I've modified the source and it now works fine
[20:12] <psyke83> however, I merely removed the code telling to use the tooltip_bg_color
[20:12] <psyke83> if I add code to make sure it uses the tooltip_fg_color, it may still look ugly
[20:13] <dashua> Nice
[20:28] <dashua> psyke83, pushed those border fixes for the combobox
[20:28] <dashua> Thx
[20:28] <psyke83> no prob
[20:30] <dashua> So vino just has to be patched for this to work correctly?
[20:36] <psyke83> dashua: the style override in the gtkrc is messy
[20:37] <psyke83> I've attached a patch that removes the usage of the tooltip style
[20:37] <psyke83> result: http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1820/screenshotremotedesktop.png
[20:38] <psyke83> (that's not the ambience theme, but uses the same tooltip colours)
[20:39] <dashua> Ah nice
[20:47] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/45711/screenshot_012_0RPG9D.png
[20:47] <dashua> Works good psyke83
[20:48] <psyke83> considering the issue with that spinner not being visible when the tooltip bg is used, it's better that way IMHO
[20:49] <dashua> Definitely
[23:49] <kwwii> I am amazed that nobody picked up on the fact that the font is being created by one of the leading fontographers