[00:15] <tauren> using ubuntu 9.10 server with KVM installed.  I can list VMs with "virsh list".  But is there a way to list the IP numbers used by the VMs?
[00:48] <ruben23>  hi anyone setup any apps to monitor squid proxy..?
[00:48] <jpds> Nagios?
[00:49] <ruben23>  jpds: have you do it..? its running now..?
[01:16] <MTecknology> so, safe to upgrade servers to lucid? :P
[01:34] <jpds> MTecknology: No.
[01:34] <dasunsrule> Is it possible to bond two nic's over SSH?
[01:34] <MTecknology> jpds: sorry, I wasn't serious. I am bumping my laptop up - now I nust need to deal with the other packages
[01:35] <dasunsrule> of course, without dropping connection
[01:35] <dasunsrule> ;-)
[01:36] <dasunsrule> I was thinking this, let me know if you think it will work or not: create necessary config's in /etc/network/interfaces, bind ssh to virtual adapter: eth1:0 and then restart networking services
[01:37] <MTecknology> oh hurray - so many packages to build :P
[01:41] <dasunsrule> Anyone have any ideas? Thank you!
[01:57] <zroysch> sherr: http://pastebin.ca/1826121
[02:06] <xperia> hello to all. i have a strange problem with my ubuntu server. i have created a symlink in my document root directory that point to my image dir on the usb disk as follow
[02:06] <xperia> lrwxrwxrwx  1 www-data      www-data           21 2010-02-24 23:54 images -> /media/usbdisk/images
[02:06] <xperia> now whenever i try to call a image that is stored in that path
[02:18] <stiv2k> hi, I exported my cups drivers to samba using cupsaddsmb, and it worked fine, but when I try to connect to the printer from windows, it says the server does not have the correct printer driver installed.  What gives?  It works fine if i try to print a test page from cups...
[02:34] <DasEi> dasunsrule: I don't think so, in the moment you relaod interfaces, ssh will get lost
[02:35] <DasEi> btw . if you bind to an inactive bound
[02:35] <dasunsrule> Ok, let me show you a config and tell me what you think
[02:36] <dasunsrule> http://pastebin.com/m2FivQxv
[02:36] <dasunsrule> Since I already have ssh bound to 192.168.56.2, in theory, it should pick up the new config, since it is listening on that address and not a specific adapter?
[02:38] <dasunsrule> What do you think? I personally think it would be 50/50, but since I am still learning all the intrecacies of linux, I could be way off ;-P
[02:40] <DasEi> dasunsrule: depends also on the config of ssh, but once, and if for a msecond, the auth get's lost, will need new auth, as the sessionkey get's lost, correct me, I'm no ssh-guru, too
[02:41] <dasunsrule> at which point, I would have to restart the ssh service :p
[02:41] <dasunsrule> Can't hurt to try, what it the worst that could happen? Lock my self out remotely? sigh
[02:41] <dasunsrule> lol
[02:43] <dasunsrule> :(
[02:44] <dasunsrule> :p
[02:50] <dasunsrule> thanks, gotta go
[03:12] <axisys> how is it that when from my ubuntu laptop's terminal I ssh to one ubuntu server the terminal title changes to the remote server.. but from same ubuntu laptop when I ssh to this other ubuntu server the title of the terminal does not change to the remote server ? what do I have to change on the remote server to behave the same way ?
[03:21] <axisys> got my answer
[03:21] <axisys> from Dr_Willis in #ubuntu
[03:22] <axisys> PROMPT_COMMAND='if [ $TERM = "vt100" ]; then printf "\033k${HOSTNAME%%.*}\033\\" ; fi' this
 PROMPT_COMMAND='if [ $TERM = "vt100" ]; then printf "\033k${HOSTNAME%%.*}\033\\" ; fi' this - That is a mess... PROMPT_COMMAND="`[ "$TERM" = "vt100" ] && printf "\033k${HOSTNAME%%.*}\033\\"`"
[04:25] <dns53> does anyone know how to manually mount a dm_crypt partition or start without plymoth or a gui
[04:48] <ShadeS> hey it seems to hang on 33% of the format part of the installation
[04:48] <ShadeS> format of the harddisk which it picks up as scsi when it's clearly ide...
[04:50] <ShadeS> and the caps lock and scroll lock keys keep flashing
[04:50] <ball> hello chilicuil1
[04:51] <chilicuil1> hi ball, good evening
[04:55] <ShadeS> this is really getting irritating
[05:09] <ShadeS> anyone?
[05:14] <Khazar>  It is time to put those Haitian jigaboos in their place!  No matter how many times the civilized world donates money, opens schools, rebuilds their nation, and holds their little monkey paws, the damn niggers can never get it right.  They never will!  The same goes for New Orleans!  Cancun in Mexico suffered few fatalities after their major hurricane, and the rebuilding is already completed.  Wha
[05:14] <Khazar>  t have the niggers in New Orleans done? If you are sick of this, join Chimpout Forum!  http://www.chimpout.com/forum  We welcome all races except for NIGGGGGGGERS!  We are not white supremacists, just negro inferiorists! http://www.chimpout.com/forum
[05:15] <Callum__> ...
[05:58] <Khazar>  It is time to put those Haitian jigaboos in their place!  No matter how many times the civilized world donates money, opens schools, rebuilds their nation, and holds their little monkey paws, the damn niggers can never get it right.  They never will!  The same goes for New Orleans!  Cancun in Mexico suffered few fatalities after their major hurricane, and the rebuilding is already completed.  Wha
[05:58] <Khazar>  t have the niggers in New Orleans done? If you are sick of this, join Chimpout Forum!  http://www.chimpout.com/forum  We welcome all races except for NIGGGGGGGERS!  We are not white supremacists, just negro inferiorists! http://www.chimpout.com/forum
[05:59] <stiv2k> hi, I exported my cups drivers to samba using cupsaddsmb, and it worked fine, but when I try to connect to the printer from windows, it says the server does not have the correct printer driver installed.  What gives?  It works fine if i try to print a test page from cups...
[06:02] <persia> jussi01: Thank you.
[07:04] <ubuntuNewBe> hey, i have a queston about ssl anybody here have experience with it?
[07:06] <ubuntuNewBe> is everybody asleep?
[07:09] <persia> !ask
[07:14] <ShadeS> sure does take a long time to login....
[08:02] <sherr> zroysch: if /dev/md2 does not mount (even with "-t ext2") then I think it must be badly corrupt and the fsck did not fix it. You might get somewhere with something like "ddrescue" or "testdisk". If the data is very important, a data recovery service. Sorry I cannot help.
[08:26] <quizme> my .bashrc file is not getting read, does anybody know why?
[08:26] <quizme> i'm loggin in as ubuntu
[08:26] <quizme> i mean the user "ubuntu"
[08:27] <persia> quizme: At what time isn't it read?  That isn't supposed to be read at login, but only when bash starts.
[08:27] <quizme> if i ssh into my server, none of my aliases are available for example
[08:27] <quizme> persia
[08:28] <persia> Dunno.  For ssh -> bash I'd expect both files to be read.  Are you running byobu by deafult and not closing your bash session?
[09:08] <FireCrotch> quizme: is your .bash_profile there? is that being read? does that source your .bashrc?
[09:09] <FireCrotch> er... actually it's just .profile
[09:10] <beric> Hello. Can anyone help me install grub on a sata fake raid? I'm trying to install 9.10 and installation fails on boot loader.
[09:11] <quizme> firecrotch i moved .bashrc to .profile and all is good now
[09:12] <beric> I get the following error when trying grub-install manually: http://pastebin.com/7wECudUQ
[09:13] <FireCrotch> quizme: yay :)
[09:13] <quizme> firecrotch yes thanks.
[09:13] <FireCrotch> quizme: you're welcome
[09:22] <sherr> beric: maybe try "/dev/nvidia/chaiadab" device - although I've never installed grub to an LV before.
[09:24] <beric> sherr: I don't have /dev/ncidia
[09:24] <beric> nvidia...
[09:27] <sherr> Ah, OK. I have misunderstood then. What is "/dev/mapper/nvidia-chaiadab"? Some sort of NV RAID?
[09:27] <beric> yes, "fakeRaid"
[09:28] <sherr> That might be the problem. I am not sure about current support for these "fake" RAID devs, especially booting (grub) off them, but they used to be problematic.
[09:28] <beric> I had gentoo installed on it without any proble,
[09:29] <beric> problem.
[09:29] <sherr> OK - pass. I would avoid NV RAID on Linux and use Linux RAID (md).
[09:30] <beric> I think it was grub1 an not grub2. I know I can use linux raid but i don't want to.
[09:31] <beric> anyway how can I get grub "prompt"
[09:31] <beric> simply "grub" ask me to apt-get grub
[09:31] <beric> but I already have grub-pc installed
[09:32] <beric> what should I do to get that shell like grub /
[09:40] <sherr> beric: I am not very familiar with grub2, sorry. Personally, I am still not sure that the update to Grub2 has been good. This forums post covers the differences :
[09:40] <sherr> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[09:41] <sherr> beric: It also discusses uninstall and install of Grub (legacy) - but I would suggest you do not do this unless you understand things i.e. you might end up unbootable.
[09:42] <beric> It's already unbootable :) Thanks.
[09:42] <sherr> beric: Besides, might not be anything to do with Grub2.
[09:58] <n00b13h3r3> hi guyz ;;)
[09:59] <n00b13h3r3> need help in configuring ltsp server, my concern is on how to setup a directory that can only be mounted by specific user
[10:00] <n00b13h3r3> anybody here...
[10:04] <sherr> n00b13h3r3: No idea on LTSP, but "mount" i.e. NFS?
[10:06] <n00b13h3r3> @sherr, thank you
[10:07] <sherr> n00b13h3r3: NFS is not the most secure protocol but you can set options in /etc/exports (man exports) on allowed hosts and security options
[10:08] <n00b13h3r3> @sherr, thinclient users are will be required to connect to a webdav shared folder to their designated mount directory
[10:09] <n00b13h3r3> been trying to google it for a week now, but haven't found any solution yet :(
[10:10] <sherr> n00b13h3r3: Apache mod_dav? Has auth options :
[10:10] <sherr> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_dav.html
[10:12] <n00b13h3r3> @sherr, already configured the webdav server side. my concern is for the thinclient users mounting the webdav shared folder into their own designated directory
[10:13] <n00b13h3r3> my question is this, do i have to modify the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab and create entry for each user or the main /etc/fstab?
[10:14] <n00b13h3r3> the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab does not have any entry, if i'll create an entry on this file and subsequently update the image will it be reflected on the next booting of each thinclient user?
[10:15] <sabgenton> hey all
[10:16] <n00b13h3r3> hol sabgenton ;)
[10:16] <sabgenton> what is the best way to add an address to /etc/resolve.conf
[10:16] <sabgenton> :DDD
[10:17] <sabgenton> should i just put echo   address >> /etc/resolve.conf  in a startup script?
[10:17] <sabgenton> or is there a better way
[10:17] <n00b13h3r3> @sabgenton you can modify it with sudo nano or sudo vim
[10:18] <sabgenton> no it will disapear on computer restart
[10:18] <n00b13h3r3> anybody here have any info to my queries, please
[10:19] <sabgenton> n00b13h3r3: care to repeat them?
[10:19] <sherr> sabgenton: then you must be using Networkmanager - go to the properties for the networkmanager connection and add the DNS servers there.
[10:19] <sherr> n00b13h3r3: sorry - I don'tr know LTSP. maybe ask on the LTSP mailing list?
[10:20] <sherr> n00b13h3r3: I don't know (don't think) you can add DAV mounts to /etc/fstab.
[10:22] <sabgenton> sherr: no gui
[10:22] <sabgenton> this is server
[10:23] <sabgenton> sherr: basicly  I want to set localhost as a nameserver
[10:23] <sabgenton> as I have bind
[10:24] <sherr> sabgenton: a) does the resolv.conf contain any mention of "edited by" something else? and b) is networkmanager running or installed?
[10:24] <sabgenton> but I want to have it apear all the time
[10:24] <sabgenton> resolv.conf is overwriten all the time
[10:25] <sabgenton> sherr: ppp puts entrys in resolve.conf
[10:25] <sherr> sabgenton: do you need PPP?
[10:26] <sabgenton> sherr: the easy thing i can think of is to add  echo nameserver <ip> >> /etc/resolve.conf
[10:26] <sabgenton> sherr: yes
[10:28] <sabgenton> sherr: given my resolv.conf gets overridden can u see a better way to add a permanent address?
[10:29] <sherr> sabgenton: Well, appending the correct one only gets overwritten by PPP later. So best to stop PPP writing to the file in the first place.
[10:29] <sherr> Check thye PPP configuration - maybe remove the option that gets DNS from the server, or writes the resolv.conf.
[10:29] <sabgenton> hmm actally I only need it as a backup for if ppp doen't add it
[10:30] <sabgenton> but I see your point
[10:31] <sherr> pppd has a "usepeerdns" option - maybe you do not want this set.
[10:31] <sabgenton> sherr: I spose I should incorperate ppp into  /etc/network/interfaces
[10:31] <sabgenton> sherr: where do I set that?
[10:33] <n00b13h3r3> @sherr, thanks
[10:34] <sherr> sabgenton: check the man page for pppd. Tells you about all the options, and files you can set them in.
[10:34] <sabgenton> ok found it
[10:34] <sabgenton> in my ppp script
[10:35] <sabgenton> sherr: does usepeerdns mean ask the ISP for its dns and use that?
[10:35] <sabgenton> peer = ISP ?
[10:35] <sherr> yes
[10:36] <sabgenton> sherr: so if I turn that of  ppp won't edit and add nameservers to resolv.conf
[10:37] <sabgenton> of=off
[10:39] <sherr> sabgenton: I think so but it has been a long time since I used pppd. Lots of docs all over the web about it. Maybe check that /etc/resolv.conf isn't linked to /etc/ppp/resolv.conf etc. Anyway - try/test.
[10:39] <sabgenton> k
[10:39] <sabgenton> sherr: most helpfull thanks
[10:41] <sabgenton> sherr: is there a way i can add this all to  /etc/network/interfaces so it writes  to /etc/resolve.conf allong with my additional address
[10:41] <sabgenton> I'm guessing that would be the proper ubuntu way to do it
[10:44] <sherr> sabgenton: yes, I think that's possible but I'd have to research it myself. As I said, not used PPP for years and never on Debian/Ubuntu. maybe check the Debian reference manual?
[10:44] <sherr> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html
[10:45] <sabgenton> sherr: what distro?
[10:45] <sabgenton> out of interest
[10:46] <sherr> sabgenton: You mean when I used PPP? Maybe original Redhat - but this was 10 years ago.
[10:47] <sherr> At that time, the secret with networking was - get it working and *don't touch it*!
[10:47] <sabgenton> :)
[10:47] <sherr> PPP can be a nightmare (chat scripts etc.). ...
[11:41] <quizme> how do i make my id_rsa.pub file have a different username (cuz they all say ubuntu@localhost )
[11:46] <sherr> quizme: I think that's who you are - logged in as "ubuntu" and no set hostname?
[11:46] <sherr> Live CD?
[11:47] <sherr> You can use the "-c" option to ssh-keygen I think - see : man ssh-keygen
[11:47] <quizme> sherr i'm logged in as ubuntu and no set host name yes
[11:48] <sherr> -c only for RSA1 keys. Else re-generate and use -C
[11:49] <quizme> sherr thanks i'll try
[11:50] <quizme> sherr that worked thanks
[11:50] <royk> hi all. anyone that knows how I can configure automounts for usb devices and so on?
[11:54] <sherr> royk: you mean automatically mount a USB when it is plugged in?
[11:55] <royk> yeah
[11:55] <sherr>             to=>$MAIL_TO,
[11:55] <sherr>             cc=>'',
[11:55] <sherr>             from=>$MAIL_FROM,
[11:56] <sherr> oops
[11:56] <sherr> royk: it can be hit or miss I think, depending on format, device etc.
[11:57] <sherr> royk: maybe investigate using "auto" in fstab, alongside a UUID or LABEL on a USB device.
[11:57] <sherr> royk: Maybe using udev to probe for identifiers on a plugged in disk
[11:58] <royk> I mean, on an ubuntu desktop, things are automounted fine. is it gnome doing this?
[11:58] <J-new-to-u> so... can someone who knows vpn systems in linux well please pm me
[11:59] <J-new-to-u> i am really confused trying to cnnect to a symantec vpn i can get it to work through a vm xp but not in native linux...
[11:59] <royk> J-new-to-u, ask a question, don't ask people for a chat
[12:00] <Achab> I never understand the advantage of VPN on NFS
[12:00] <royk> J-new-to-u, if trying to connect from an ubuntu desktop, ask again on #ubuntu, but again, ask a question, not merely help me
[12:00] <royk> Achab, ?? vpn on nfs?
[12:01] <J-new-to-u> i asked the same question in ubuntu and was told to ask here
[12:01] <royk> I saw that
[12:01] <sherr> royk: yes, I think the auto-mount magic is Gnome (or gvfs perhaps)
[12:01] <royk> but you didn't ask for help, but merely for a chat
[12:01] <J-new-to-u> i asked multile times in different ways
[12:02] <royk> well
[12:02] <J-new-to-u> but no one had an answer.
[12:02] <sherr> Achab: NFS is very insecure, so a VPN might help secure it over an insecure network.
[12:03] <royk> sherr, nfs with kerberos isn't very insecure
[12:03] <J-new-to-u> i tried openswan strongswan cisco openvpn and even installed shrewsoft vpn connection manager nothing i do seems to work
[12:03] <Achab> Is inscure?
[12:03] <Achab> enter in my LAN
[12:04] <J-new-to-u> but it works fine with the software from symantec from within a vm of x
[12:04] <royk> J-new-to-u, if trying to connect from an ubuntu desktop, don't ask here. it's a server channel
[12:04] <J-new-to-u> xp
[12:04] <sherr> J-new-to-u: what technology *is* symantec vpn? No point installing random VPN tech and hoping ...
[12:05] <royk> ipsec+l2tp or pp2p?
[12:05] <royk> or ssl?
[12:05] <J-new-to-u> ipsec
[12:06] <royk> with l2tp
[12:06] <J-new-to-u> yes
[12:06] <royk> then just choose that technology on your desktop setup and you should get through quite easily
[12:06] <royk> still, this is a server channel
[12:08] <J-new-to-u> well sorry if i wasnt redirected here i wouldnt be inconveniencing you with my new to linux networking issue
[12:08] <J-new-to-u> thanks for your time though
[12:08] <sherr> J-new-to-u: ipsec can be painful - but you will need keys/certs from your admin. Try asking in the forums :
[12:09] <J-new-to-u> i will thanks
[12:12] <sherr> J-new-to-u: Include information on the actual Symantec VPN e.g. product info. Good luck.
[12:15] <sherr> royk: re: NFS - I meant to say "NFS is *not* very secure" above ... ughh :-/
[12:18] <persia> royk: The desktop stuff happens in nautilus.  There are tools that don't require a desktop, but most are written to target desktop environments.
[12:18] <royk> persia, thanks. I'll look into that
[12:22] <royk> persia, wrong channel, but do you know how I can have nautilus automount a nilfs partition? linux has no problems with it, but nautilus doesn't recognize it
[12:22] <persia> royk: No idea.
[12:22] <royk> k
[12:28] <Stargaze> can somebody please do nmap gbachot.homelinux.com?
[12:48] <sherr> Stargaze: http://pastebin.com/KjH403UX
[16:53] <Belloto> hello, I am trying to configure Apache server access log; I am looking into /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and I do not find any "CustomLog " lines ... but for some reason my server is already logging into /var/log/apache2/ ... is this normal?  I understand it should not be logging by default
[17:13] <Belloto>  how do I stop my Apache 2.2.8 server creating access.log files?
[17:21] <qman__> Belloto, the log files are defined in the site configuration files, in /etc/apache2/sites-available/
[17:26] <Belloto> thanks a lot!! ... shouldn't this be mentioned in http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/logs.html#accesslog  ??
[17:28] <guntbert> Belloto: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/web-servers.html
[17:28] <Belloto> by the way, I do have a line "ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/error.log" in both /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and /etc/apache2/sites-available/default ... why twice?
[17:28] <Belloto> thanks I will check it out right now
[17:32] <Belloto> very helpful info, thanks guntbert and qman__
[17:33] <guntbert> Belloto: have fun
[18:03] <willem-jan> hi
[18:03] <willem-jan> is it possible to startx through ssh?
[18:03] <willem-jan> it should run on the server itself, so I guess ssh -X does not apply
[18:48] <MTeck> so.. I locked myself out of my server with ufw because I'm somewhere else (coffee shop). I established the connection to the router (pfsense) with OpenVPN but now I can't open the pfsense web ui or ssh into any of the internal servers which should just see me as a 192.168.3.x addy..  any connection to 192.168.x.x times out though :(
[18:50] <MTeck> tun0   inet addr:192.168.3.6     wlan0  inet addr:10.0.0.216
[18:50] <MTeck> GR!
[18:50] <hans67521> hi everyone
[18:50] <MTeck> hi
[18:51] <hans67521> id like to create a custom install cd with ubuntu server with my own startup scripts and config
[18:51] <hans67521> is this possible
[18:51] <hans67521> id like to create an iso install image
[18:52] <MTeck> it's possible, i never did it though
[18:52] <MTeck> I think you normally want the alternate cd for that though, then you customize packages and such
[18:53] <qman__> MTeck, looks like you didn't push the route in your openVPN config
[18:53] <qman__> there's two ways to set up openvpn, one (routed) puts you on a private subnet with DHCP from the VPN server, the other just bridges you to the LAN the VPN server is on
[18:54] <qman__> in either case, if you want to access networks besides the one you get an address from, you have to add them to the openvpn config
[18:54] <qman__> you might be able to get to the other network if you manually add a route
[18:54] <MTeck> qman__: it's been working before I moved to 10.04; but I haven't tried since the upgrade until now
[18:54] <qman__> pastebin the output of route -n
[18:54] <MTeck> I've never been outside the ssh allow range until now :P
[18:54] <qman__> on the client
[18:55] <MTeck> http://pastebin.com/CwqUs2yB
[18:55] <qman__> yeah, it's not routing you
[18:56] <MTeck> qman__: this is my openvpn config  http://pastebin.com/RSzGJwQD
[18:56] <qman__> sudo route add 192.168.3.0/24 gw 10.0.0.1
[18:57] <MTeck> it complained about the usage
[18:57] <qman__> hmm
[18:57] <MTeck> netmask 000000ff doesn't make sense with host route
[18:59] <MTeck> qman__: sorry/....
[19:00] <qman__> it's doing it here too, not sure what's wrong with it
[19:00] <qman__> but that route needs to get pushed to the clients if you want access to the 192.168.3.0 network
[19:00] <MTeck> I forgot I should have the connection open still when running route     http://pastebin.com/aKch83WY
[19:00] <qman__> ah
[19:00] <histo> What is the current server kernel? My server is installing both generic and generic-pae
[19:00] <histo> but booting the pae kernel
[19:01] <histo> I'm so confused by which kernel should be running and why its installing two for each update?
[19:01] <qman__> histo, both of those kernels are current, just different versions
[19:01] <qman__> one is pae and one is non-pae
[19:02] <histo> What happened to the -server kernel?
[19:02] <histo> and what is pae?
[19:02] <qman__> physical address extension
[19:03] <qman__> it's a memory management technique that allows 32-bit kernels to use more than 4GB of address space
[19:03] <histo> I have linux-image-generic linux-image-generic-pae and linux-image-server installed by default.
[19:03] <qman__> and more than ~3.5GB of RAM
[19:03] <histo> qman__: Ah I don't have that much ram.
[19:03] <qman__> MTeck, your routes look okay, the servers you're trying to access are on 192.168.1.0?
[19:03] <histo> Isn't there a server kernel anymore?
[19:04] <qman__> histo, the server kernel is going away, not sure if it's in karmic or not but it won't be in lucid
[19:04] <MTeck> qman__: ya, 192.168.1.0 specifically
[19:04] <histo> qman__: any idea why they still ahve a pae package then?
[19:04] <MTeck> qman__: I also can't get to 192.168.1.1....
[19:04] <histo> qman__: sorry i meant linux-image-server package
[19:05] <qman__> histo, probably in order to not break setups that depend on it
[19:05] <histo> qman__: So I should just run the generic kernel
[19:05] <histo> qman__: also can I remove the kernel i'm currently booted in?
[19:06] <MTeck> histo: just do update-grub
[19:06] <histo> MTeck: for what?
[19:06] <MTeck> histo: the kernel you're using is in ram now
[19:06] <qman__> histo, you can, but it's not a good idea because if the new one you install doesn't work, you won't have anything to fall back on
[19:06] <histo> qman__: I know the other one works
[19:06] <qman__> histo, suggest removing all kernels except the one running, and installing the one you want
[19:06] <MTeck> histo: if you rememove it; grub will still try to boot to that one
[19:06] <histo> qman__: I just want ot get rid of the pae kernels
[19:06] <histo> MTeck: grub-update runs after removing it.
[19:07] <MTeck> oh
[19:07] <MTeck> I'm too used to my own kernels :P
[19:07] <qman__> histo, you should be able to remove all the -pae kernels without issue if you're not running one now
[19:07] <histo> removing the pae kernels wants to remove the -server packages so i'm assuming thats goign to be the new -server kernels
[19:08] <qman__> histo, probably, since servers are the most likely to need pae
[19:08] <histo> qman__: well not anymore that ram is so cheep but.
[19:08] <histo> to each his own. I'll jsut leave it the way it is
[19:08] <qman__> histo, pae is only needed on 32-bit, modern systems are all 64-bit
[19:09] <qman__> but there are plenty of older 32-bit servers capable of using more than 4GB of RAM via pae
[19:09] <qman__> MTeck, I'm not sure exactly what's going wrong with it, the client end looks fine
[19:10] <qman__> MTeck, a while back I had the same problem every time my VPN server installed updates for some odd reason, and a reboot fixed it
[19:10] <qman__> but that hasn't happened in a while, so I guess they fixed that issue
[19:10] <MTeck> qman__: I guess they're probably blocking the vpn traffic or something....
[19:11] <qman__> MTeck, possibly, or they might have a routing issue on the other side
[19:11] <MTeck> yay coffee shop wifi :P
[19:11] <qman__> oh, not the coffee shop
[19:11] <qman__> if you're connecting and staying connected the VPN is working
[19:12] <qman__> the problem's either on the VPN server or on the network you're trying to access
[19:12] <MTeck> I thought this was right - but still can't get in -_-       sudo ufw allow from 71.39.27.14 port 22 proto tcp to any
[19:13] <qman__> for direct internet SSH, sure, but not over the VPN
[19:14] <MTeck> right
[19:14] <MTeck> I finally got the other admin on irc
[19:14] <MTeck> I made him run that but I still can't get in
[19:14] <qman__> well, I don't use ufw, so I'm not sure if that's correct
[19:15] <qman__> but if it didn't throw an error I'm guessing it worked
[19:15] <hans67521> is the ubuntu customization kit only for livecd?
[19:16] <hans67521> can i not use i for a custom install cd
[19:16] <hans67521> ?
[19:18] <stiv2k> hi, I exported my cups drivers to samba using cupsaddsmb, and it worked fine, but when I try to connect to the printer from windows, it says the server does not have the correct printer driver installed.  What gives?  It works fine if i try to print a test page from cups...
[19:19] <MTecknology> qman__: ufw disable; thanks :)
[19:20] <qman__> stiv2k, windows gets its drivers from the magical print$ share, in a pretty bizarre format
[19:20] <qman__> I've never actually gotten it to work myself
[19:21] <stiv2k> qman__: yeah, and it works fine for my HP officejet, but this printer wont accept the driveres that were put in thee print$ share by cupsaddsmb
[19:21] <stiv2k> in there*
[19:21] <qman__> I spent weeks trying to get it to work, gave up and now all my printers are shared on an old win2k laptop
[19:22] <stiv2k> this keyboard likes to type e twice a lot
[19:22] <stiv2k> qman__: lol
[19:22] <stiv2k> qman__: wtf man, why is printer sharing so hard >:(
[19:22] <qman__> for linux clients, it isn't
[19:23] <stiv2k> true
[19:23] <stiv2k> it's super easy in fedora, the driver installs itself
[19:23] <qman__> but even my old solution isn't going to work much longer
[19:24] <qman__> windows 7 hates it
[19:24] <qman__> and it doesn't support 64-bit windows drivers, I still have to point it to a copy I have on a regular share
[19:26] <qman__> also, since it's a PII thinkpad that scales itself to 10MHz when it idles, it takes like five minutes to print
[19:26] <qman__> so I'm going to need an upgrade
[19:28] <stiv2k> qman__: so what's the new solution?
[19:28] <stiv2k> qman__: sharing it on a windows 7 machine?
[19:28] <qman__> probably a 2003 64-bit server
[19:29] <qman__> or if I can get a good deal on a windows 7 netbook
[19:29] <stiv2k> that's freakin ridiculous
[19:29] <stiv2k> why should i have to get a whole new machine just to fully support windows printing
[19:29] <qman__> not sure if 7 will let me add other driver versions though
[19:30] <qman__> yeah, it is pretty ridiculous
[19:30] <qman__> I've tried several times but I just can't get it to work
[19:30] <qman__> also, I have to support one canon printer that doesn't have any linux drivers at all
[19:30] <qman__> so I have to have a windows box sharing that anyway
[19:30] <stiv2k> ah
[19:31] <stiv2k> hmm
[19:31] <stiv2k> i need to come up with some beteter solution
[19:32] <stiv2k> qman__: i was thinking of putting the driveres for all OS's on a samba share and just having users go to "Have Disk" and select the file from the samba share to install the printere
[19:33] <stiv2k> so i dont have to try to struggly with the automatic driver downloading that only works for some versions of windows
[19:33] <stiv2k> struggle
[19:33] <qman__> that's what I do now for the 64-bit windows, it works fine
[19:33] <stiv2k> a year ago, all windows machines here were XP, now its mixed between XP/Vista/7
[19:34] <stiv2k> and of course linux
[19:34] <stiv2k> ;)
[19:34] <qman__> 7 is super picky about the share security too
[19:34] <qman__> I had to do some policy changes and registry hacks to get it to connect to my 2k server
[19:34] <stiv2k> thats sketchy
[19:34] <qman__> vista worked fine, though
[19:36] <qman__> but yeah, don't buy canon printers
[19:36] <qman__> no linux drivers
[19:37] <qman__> I like brother printers myself, and HPs work pretty well too
[19:38] <stiv2k> xerox seems to work good
[19:38] <stiv2k> the automatic driver downloads USED to work for it but something happened along the way
[19:38] <stiv2k> either in their drivers, in XP, or in cups/samba
[19:38] <stiv2k> that made it stop working
[19:39] <stiv2k> :
[19:40] <stiv2k> i had to take the whole machine apart yesterday to remove a massive clump of paper that was lodged in the fuser unit
[19:40] <stiv2k> but now it works
[21:13] <lifeless> kirkland: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/PackageInstall#STEP%203:%20Install%20and%20Configure%20the%20Node%20Controller%28s%29
[21:13] <lifeless> kirkland: I think that that ordering is bong.
[21:13] <lifeless> kirkland: reread it with fresh eyes ;)
[21:19] <quizme> hey guys i just installed a new linode 9.10 64 bit instance.  which sources should i add to my /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:19] <quizme> multiverse or something like that ?
[23:33] <MTecknology> How can I make /etc/skel so when a new user is created no other user can browse any files in that users home directory?
[23:34] <pwnguin> MTecknology: i was just wondering the other day about /etc/skel
[23:34] <pwnguin> the most documentation on it i can find is useradd
[23:34] <pwnguin> perhaps a trip through the source is in order
[23:35] <Volkswagner> greetings
[23:35] <pwnguin> MTecknology: any guess on how to create a public_html in /etc/skel such that www-data permissions are preserved?
[23:36] <Volkswagner> Can someone advise:  9.10 Alternate CD fails to configure network, yet in console dhclient will aquire ip address from my router?
[23:37] <Volkswagner> Cisco airo_cs and airo are both loading fine.  I tried two different downloads and cd burns, md5 check out
[23:37] <pwnguin> i forget. how does one determine which package is owned by a binary like useradd?
[23:40] <Volkswagner> Actually I should say fails to properly recognize the card, seems to crash in the "detect network hardware"
[23:40] <MTecknology> pwnguin: it's been years since I touched /etc/skel...
[23:40] <pwnguin> well, im digging through source as we speak
[23:40] <pwnguin> adduser's anyways
[23:41] <pwnguin> useradd is next
[23:41] <Volkswagner> Yet after running dhclient in console, going back to installer, it tries to configure eth0, which is the correct interface
[23:43] <pwnguin> MTecknology: which tool are you using to create accounts?
[23:43] <MTecknology> pwnguin: useradd
[23:44] <pwnguin> $tree =~ s:^/*(.*)/*$:$1:; # chop off leading & trailing slashes @path = split(/\//, $tree);
[23:44] <MTecknology> pwnguin: I think you'd want to do mkdir /etc/skel/public_html; chmod o+rx /etc/skel/public_html
[23:44] <pwnguin> thats from adduser =(
[23:45] <pwnguin> MTecknology: well, that and chgrp www-data, and chmod g+s
[23:45] <pwnguin> i wasn't sure if the tools would strip that out
[23:46] <MTecknology> pwnguin: I think it only changes if it's set to root - best guess
[23:48] <pwnguin> well, i think if you chmod g-x /etc/skel
[23:48] <pwnguin> that should remove execute from skel
[23:48] <pwnguin> do the same for world
[23:48] <pwnguin> but, how would that work with ssh keys
[23:49] <pwnguin> MTecknology: have you thought through the implications of your permission scheme?
[23:52] <MTecknology> pwnguin: for o-rw ?
[23:53] <MTecknology> pwnguin: ya... I don't know how ssh keys will continue to work. My guess is they won't. However, I don't intend to allow ssh to come in for those users anyway so I'm not worried about it. FTP only for those
[23:53] <MTecknology> but then I'll have the fun task of making ftp work :(
[23:54] <pwnguin> you could maybe restrict login shells to scp
[23:55] <MTecknology> nah; I have to explicitly add them to a group allowed to ssh in before anyone has ssh access.
[23:56] <MTecknology> I like that and ftp gives them a crap load of inability to do anything
[23:56] <pwnguin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/390682/
[23:56] <MTecknology> I'm debating letting them come in at all
[23:56] <pwnguin> thats what adduser executes, im sure useradd does something simliar
[23:57] <pwnguin> actually thats for copied files
[23:57]  * Volkswagner was sent here from #ubuntu.... hoping someone can help, as I have tried several other releases, each with unique caveats!
[23:58] <pwnguin> -d $done || mkdir($done, $default_dir_mode) || return 0;
[23:59] <pwnguin> my $default_dir_mode = 0755;
[23:59] <MTecknology> Volkswagner: that's ntoa server related
[23:59] <pwnguin> cannot be done via adduser
[23:59] <MTecknology> Volkswagner: that's ntoa server related question. I'm not sure why they sent you here..