[00:00] charlie-tca: I have already shut down the screensaver [00:00] charlie-tca: not after suspend [00:00] I am running out of ideas here. [00:00] charlie-tca: that is a laptop. celeron 2g 512mb, with intel 815 [00:00] Is it usb mouse? [00:01] charlie-tca: I am using "noapic" after the kernel [00:01] charlie-tca: usb mouse and usb keyboard [00:01] That shouldn't freeze it, I don't think [00:02] If the memory test doesn't show anything wrong, file a bug using 'linux' as the package. you can file it with 'ubuntu-bug linux' in a terminal [00:03] Add to the report that it freezes keyboard and mouse at random times, with the exception of the mouse movement. [00:03] charlie-tca: and I am using a pcmcia card to extend the usb2.0 port. but at the beginning I thought that caused the crashdown. so I plug it out, just with the usb-hub. but after that xfce still crashed [00:03] What version of Xubuntu is it? [00:04] charlie-tca: xubuntu 910. with 2.6.31-20-generic [00:04] charlie-tca: but I am not the only one who has that problem [00:05] charlie-tca: I will show you the url [00:05] You aren't having the problem? === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam [00:07] Okay, what url? [00:07] charlie-tca: yes I have the same [00:07] read it wrong. [00:07] charlie-tca: but I am not the only one [00:08] Did you have the problem before the -20 kernel? [00:09] charlie-tca: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1386883 [00:10] Did you install LXDE, too? [00:10] charlie-tca: I can not say. because I was running windows on this laptop. I just used it to watch dvb-t [00:10] charlie-tca: no. just xubuntu without modify [00:10] Well, that says you fixed your issue? [00:11] charlie-tca: just press "f5" [00:12] charlie-tca: Re: Xubuntu randomly crashes, mouse still responds--sorry, i was wrong. it still crashed down. help!!!! [00:12] charlie-tca: so I thought maybe a bug with xorg or something [00:12] You have two different things there. The first person is crashing firefox after installing Lxde. [00:13] You said you crash random times, and the applications don't matter. [00:13] I would file a bug against the kernel. [00:13] charlie-tca: Installation went smooth. Restart. Log on, start Firefox, close it, wait a few seconds, crash [00:14] Is it only after running firefox? [00:14] charlie-tca: right [00:14] Then remove your extensions and restart the computer. Then see if it crashes. If it does, you need to try a new profile for firefox [00:15] charlie-tca: and I feel really weird that the xorg crashed down, but the mouse can still move and harddisk run sometimes. [00:15] firefox does that [00:16] charlie-tca: but last time, I just want to click the icon of firefox, it crashed down [00:16] Remove any extensions and plugins for firefox (you can try disabling them), but you have to restart the computer, not just log off [00:16] charlie-tca: I "wanted" to but I did not have the chance [00:17] It could still be firefox doing something stupid, right? [00:17] charlie-tca: you re right, but one time I just type something in the cli. it crashed down [00:18] try it. Then ask here again if it still crashes. [00:19] charlie-tca: ok [00:19] charlie-tca: I will just remove the firefox and use opera or chrome [00:19] Try epiphany, maybe? [00:20] My eyes are blurring and I have to go rest them, now. Good luck. [00:21] ok, see you good night [00:21] robinking623: use chrome. its fast all the time. [00:21] Kangarooo: already [00:21] opera gets later bloated. maybe couse of saving all cache [00:25] * robinking623 running memtest [00:25] robinking623: does slider in firefox worked? [00:25] Kangarooo: slider? [00:26] can u get it active when in far right side? yes slider if page is bigger then screen [00:27] Kangarooo: or you mean coolpreviews? [00:27] slider. scroller. [00:28] maybe im saying it wrong in english [00:28] Kangarooo: is that a plugins? or Add-on? [00:29] you see this chat has text more then screen can show so theres slider to the right. with moving it u can see previous chat posts. [00:29] isnt that called slider? [00:30] Kangarooo: ok. you mean the slider of firefox? [00:30] Kangarooo: and you asked if the slider of my firefox works? [00:30] Kangarooo: it works [00:30] well the same kind thingy in firefox if u have bigger page then u see the slider. so question: can u get it active with mouse clicking it to far right side? [00:30] Kangarooo: without problem [00:31] .. got some pidgin error. [00:32] ok so u have xubuntu ? default theme? [00:32] Kangarooo: right [00:32] Kangarooo: I have ubuntu and xubuntu [00:33] Kangarooo: and I have really big problem with my xubuntu laptop [00:33] Kangarooo: 2 laptops [00:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/530034 this bug u dont have? [00:35] Kangarooo: sorry I am using firefox 3.6 [00:35] Kangarooo: and I don't have that problem [00:35] how u got 3.6 in xubuntu? 10.04xubuntu ? [00:36] Kangarooo: ubuntu-tweak [00:36] i have 9.10 latest updates and 3.5.8 [00:36] Kangarooo: you just need the ppa with firefox 3.6 and [00:36] Kangarooo: I know [00:36] wow. ok then ill try that and report that bug is removed [00:36] Kangarooo: ok [00:37] or u can also write if realy that bug is not working for u [00:38] hp problems? [00:40] Kangarooo: I am busy debuging my old laptop [00:40] Kangarooo: it crashed down randomly [00:40] ok. but ubuntu tweak u hav on xubuntu? [00:41] Kangarooo: yes [00:41] ok im going to sleep also [00:42] Kangarooo: xubuntu = xfce + ubuntu - gnome [00:42] Kangarooo: me too. good night [00:44] ah robinking623 its not in synaptic so u took it from website? [00:45] Kangarooo: right [01:56] hey guys [01:56] i set my laptop to a display resoltuoin that isn't supported while i was trying to get an external display to work [01:56] now nothing displays on the screen after i log in [01:56] i can't find the config file where the resolution is stored [01:56] how do i fix this [01:57] ok it seems to have fixed itself [01:57] so is there any way to get support for external displays using the display manager in xfce? [02:36] I can't use alt+1 for the serverwindow in irssi when using xfce4-terminal :s [02:36] Very wierd, but /window 1 works [02:36] Same to alt+2,3,4 and so on [09:11] hello everyone, I still have the problem with xfce [09:13] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8927548#post8927548 [09:30] you could try to add acpi=off to kernel parameters [09:30] !grub2 [09:30] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [09:31] gksudo nano /etc/default/grub ; for a start [09:37] Sysi: already, doesnot work [09:37] hum [09:40] Sysi: but I am sure the kernel is still working [09:40] Sysi: but the xorg is crashed down [09:41] Sysi: and it takes my usb keyboard away. [09:43] just brb [09:43] i had same proble with propably same intel graphics card, it worked with acpi=off [09:47] Sysi: any other ideas? [09:48] i had same proble with propably same intel graphics card, it worked with acpi=off [09:49] hello hello? [09:49] and with centos ir works straight after installation, old distro with old computer clearly.. [09:49] hell pdg1 [09:49] Sysi: no, you did not get my meaning. xfce works already, but it crashed sometimes down. then I have no chance to repair it [09:49] *hello :D [09:50] robinking623: maybe itäs my english, but i don't get whatäs your problem [09:50] Sysi: I have only a usb keyboard [09:50] is it just me, or does Karmic run a little slower on oldeer hardware than Hardy [09:51] Sysi: but under windows xp, it works without problem [09:53] do you mean that your usb keyboard don't work? [09:54] Sysi: after the xorg crashed down [09:54] Sysi: no I mean the laptop [09:55] Sysi: xfce works without problem with all my hardware. just still the xorg crashed [09:55] Sysi: and it crashes down without telling me before.......... [09:56] Sysi: while the kernel it is still working [09:56] robinking623: ... [09:56] so you can gt to virtual terminal after xorg has crashed? [09:57] why typing is so hard now.. [09:57] Sysi: you mean the tty, no I have no keyboard [09:57] Sysi: so that is the point [09:58] when that happened to me, i couldn't restart xorg even trough ssh [09:58] so it was just about crashing [09:59] that acpi=off fixed it but xorg took a lot of cpu power after that [09:59] Sysi: I think I should change the version of xorg or intel driver [09:59] Sysi: but acpi works but I need "noapic" [09:59] you can add that too [10:00] Sysi: I tried, it crashes also [10:00] sounds difficult case [10:00] Sysi: so I don't think that it the problem with acpi [10:00] Sysi: really [10:00] robinking623: but always worth a try [10:01] have you tried older ubuntu release? [10:01] Sysi: already but I 'd like to change the new version [10:02] Sysi: because it works always without problem after boot for more than I hour [10:02] Sysi: I will try to change the xorg [10:02] robinking623: why do you want new version if it's crashing? :P [10:03] Sysi: because it is just the point of xorg, not other things [10:03] Sysi: now I am using the new kernel of ubuntu. it works after xorg crashed [10:04] robinking623: i don't give this as proper advice but i use to say "don't fix it if it's working" [10:04] Sysi: I just start to cp 50G files from one partition to another, it does still now [10:05] Sysi: or I will try to use another distro [10:05] Sysi: arch maybe [10:05] btw, you don't need to hilight me everytime [10:06] robinking623: that's not real linux solution, but that's what i did :D [10:07] my old laptop now works like a charm with centos, i'd just like to test some bsd on it [10:07] Sysi: but thank you anyway, I will continue googling [10:08] Sysi: bsd works, I just have a friend who is using freebsd with his 2 laptop [10:08] s [10:08] Sysi: they are working properly [10:09] i'm trying to consider, pcbsd or freebsd [10:09] my friend has openbsd and he says it's a bit funny [10:10] Sysi: why? [10:10] se said it's designed to shell-server or something === angus is now known as casper3 [10:12] Sysi: that is right but you can running xorg on it and with desktop enviroment [10:13] i know [10:13] i use centos, everyone say that it's ment for servers [10:13] Sysi: right, centos is just like rhel [10:14] same source compiled with same settings === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam [11:36] Hello when I boot my comp my monitor goes into 'power saving mode' [11:36] I bought a new monitor but I get the same problem [11:36] What would the problem be? [11:37] one possibility would be that the resolution is out of the monitor's range [11:38] It didnq't happen before [11:38] and I didn't mess with anything software-wise [11:38] does switching to text mode with alt+ctrl+1 help? [11:38] when did it start? [11:39] some days ago [11:39] it happened, then the next day it was fine and i assumed it was something temp [11:39] but now it wont work again [11:40] I dont think text mode has to do anything with it, it doesn't even show GRUB menu or BIOS stuff... [11:40] it goes into power saving mode as soon as I boot the comp [11:41] I reckon its acpi issue, rare on desktops though [11:42] what's the remedy? [11:42] might need to manually append that at boot [11:44] what do you mean? how would I do anything without a monitor [11:44] you don't even get grub menu? something like press Esc to view menu? [11:45] nothing [11:45] as soon the comp fires up the monitor does it [11:45] so you see BIOS and all but you can't see the hidden grub menu? [11:45] I dont think its xubuntu related, apologies for asking here but I dont know a more apt channel [11:45] not even bios [11:46] its a hardware related issue, and you tried asking in ##hardware ? [11:47] ok i will [12:47] how can i in xubuntu open keyring manager to disable asking for paswword? [12:47] for wifi [12:50] hi [12:50] i need help [12:52] how do you enable effects [12:52] hey does normal ubuntu packages work on xubuntu? [12:53] saml, yes [12:53] saml: yeah [12:53] dzordz: thanks! [12:53] do I need to reinstall things when newer version comes out? upgrade instructions look hectic for normal users [12:54] i mean newer OS version like 9.10 [12:55] 9.10 is already out [12:55] 10.04 will bee after 1month [12:56] no, everything is upgraded at the release upgrade [12:56] no need to any reinstalls [12:58] for me upgrading seems easy, just run one command or use update manager === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam === diib is now known as dbdii407 === dbdii407- is now known as dbdii407 [17:19] Hello subspider :-) [17:19] Hello ubottu :-) [17:55] hello Sachse_Siechtum [17:55] Sachse_Siechtum, how you doin? :-) [17:55] sorry i as not here [17:55] ah no problem [17:56] i'm doing fine and you?? [17:56] I'm great...just eating some salami toasts :-) [18:01] Damn snow... [18:36] Sysi: i have already solved problem [18:36] Sysi: now i am using 804. and X.Org X Server 1.4.0.90 [18:36] good that it's working [18:37] Sysi: i think the driver in Xorg should be the reason [18:37] propably so [18:38] Sysi: that is the only difference [18:38] Sysi: kernel maybe also [18:40] hey ! you guys r talkin about xorg ! I had a question about that pro.........I was thinking about uninstalling that but I'm wondering what would happen if I did that ? [18:40] Now,be informed...I am not a very comp literate person [18:42] xorg sounds like it might be a kind of important pro but synaptic says that it is "optional" [18:42] faron: if you use graphical stuff you need xorg [18:42] if only command line, you don't [18:42] I was thinking about uninstalling it bue to it's memory use aha ! [18:43] So,someone like me who really doesn't know much aboput comps shouild probably leave that one alone huh ? [18:43] bue=due [18:44] probably :P [18:44] hey there knome ! how r ya taday ? [18:44] i'm fine [18:45] nice ta see ya [18:45] you too [18:45] hey knome ? [18:45] faron, yeah? [18:46] can I ask you a couple of questions about pidgin ? [18:46] sure, but i don't know if i'm able to answer them [18:47] cool.....#1 why when I join a chat am I not auto switched to that chat tab ? [18:47] no idea. [18:47] I can't seem to find a setting for that [18:47] hmm [18:47] then it's maybe a "feature" [18:47] hmmm is right...okay...how about this one... [18:48] what does it mean when pidgin times you out & you go to your buddy list & click on "reconnect",but you just sit there staring at this message forever informing you "connecting" ?? [18:49] pidgin will not "reconnect me unless I close the entire pro down & reopen it [18:49] probably does have something to do with bad connections to irc servers [18:51] It's works great until it times me out.But,it just won't allow me to use those "reconnect" buttons for soem reason [18:53] hey knome ? [18:54] when you said "feature" did you mean that that is probably like an extra ? you know...like an add on ? [18:55] it seems like that would be like a default [18:58] faron, no [18:59] faron, i meant that maybe it is supposed to be so [19:35] Hi, how to change language input? [19:46] Oh, this is sad [19:47] what is? [19:47] knome: need to change my language input [19:48] mtrg, see settings -> keyboard -> tab layout [19:48] knome: but that's manual, isn't it? [19:48] knome: , i need to automate it by alt+shift [19:48] mtrg, do you need a fairy to change the layout? [19:49] yeah, i change it alot [19:49] mtrg, you probably need some kind of script which you then bind to alt+shift [19:49] but one more issue. Ctrl^C doesn't work with my keyboard layout [19:50] it works with US, but not with my language [19:50] ah forget about it, i solved the Ctrl+C [19:50] knome: which command should I use to change keyboard layout within xfce? [19:51] knome: keyboard app has a sectionf or shortcuts. thinking to place it there. [19:53] mtrg, yes, you need to put it there. i don't know what the command is for changing layout real-time, sorry. [19:53] knome: setxkbmap? [19:54] mtrg, probably. [20:03] How to disable sessions from being saved. I want to start a fresh session every time [20:03] should I untick on "launch gnome services on startup"? [20:05] mtrg, check the logout dialog. [20:05] knome: you mean untick? [20:06] mtrg, no, click the quit button and see the logout dialog which appears. [20:06] what's there? [20:06] there is a tick box on "Save session" -- should i untick it? [20:07] mtrg, yes, if you want to start with a clean session. [20:07] knome: but everytime, that tick box is there. i have to remove it everytime? [20:07] mtrg, it should not be. [20:07] knome: how to delete previous sessions? [20:07] mtrg, if you untick it, it should keep unticked. [20:07] mtrg, see settings -> session and startup [20:08] then? [20:08] mtrg, do you need step-by-step instructions? [20:09] knome: no, but i can't find anything there that allows me to delete my sessions [20:09] mtrg, you only have *one session* [20:09] mtrg, which is launched every time. [20:09] mtrg, if you save the session for future logins, it overrides the old ont. [20:09] *one [20:09] knome: but i get a drop-down menu for sessions, guess it allows me to choose sessions [20:09] mtrg, which xubuntu version you are using? [20:10] knome: 9.10 [20:10] mtrg, okay, then the sessions you mean is a different thing. [20:10] mtrg, they allow you to run gnome or even kde [20:10] mtrg, they have nothing to do with xfce sessions [20:12] ok [20:12] knome: any idea how xfce4-keyboard-setting changes the layout neatly? [20:13] i want to place it in a shortcut, or write an application to do so [20:13] mtrg, as i said, you probably should write a script for that [20:13] but that script needs to call soemthing. at least an api [20:13] mtrg, which invokes setxkbmap (?) or some other app to change the layout [20:14] mtrg, or you can run setxkbmap directly, but then i suppose you'd have to create one shortcut per layout [20:15] right. but that has another weird issue. [20:15] I can't do Ctrl^C shortcuts with the other layout [20:15] but when I change it with the GUI, i can still Ctrl^C [20:15] setxkbmap us <-- this is the command i use [20:15] but instead of us, my layout [20:16] such as, setxkbmap fr [20:17] mtrg, when you are at the other layout, add a new keyboard shortcut again for the command [20:21] knome: where can i find xorg.conf? [20:22] mtrg, you shouldn't poke xorg.conf if you don't know what you are doing, but it's at /etc/X11/xorg.conf - it also might be empty. [20:23] knome: doesn't exist in that name [20:23] knome: I want to add an option to toggle layouts [20:23] mtrg, the new ubuntu tries to get away from xorg.conf. [20:23] where is it then.. [20:23] mtrg, you can create that file, if you DEFINITELY want to hassle with xorg.conf [20:24] mtrg, it either is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (note the uppercase X), or it doesn't exist. [20:24] yeah, uppercase, not there [20:24] wondering how does xfce4-keyboard-settings already switches keyboard layout [20:25] mtrg, if it doesn't exist, and you still want to use one, feel free to create one. [20:30] knome: I found a neat solution.. [20:30] mtrg, good to hear [20:30] knome: configured layouts using xfce4-keyboard-settings the normal way [20:31] knome: just executed this at shell: setxkbmap -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle" [20:31] mtrg, okay :) [20:31] knome: it's sad why doesn't xcfe-keybaord-settings doesn't automatically push options field [20:32] the xfce developers try to keep the options visible to minimum [20:32] so the layout stays simple/clean [20:33] wondeering where it saves language settings. i'd better edit it [20:33] doesn't look neat enough to run a service that pushes -options "" everytime === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam [21:22] Xubuntu ROCKS -- all issues solved :) [21:23] Thanks everyone for their efforts in making such great operating system [21:27] mtrg: I try xubuntu since today [21:27] First look is great, I hope that I am as happy as you in a few days =) [21:28] but enough for today [21:28] ciao [21:48] how can i start keyring manager in xubuntu? [22:10] hi guys [22:10] i'm having some trouble installing xubuntu [22:11] i have an old hp from 2004 with an AMD Athlon 64 3400+ and a gig of ram [22:12] i burned the x64 iso to a cd and booted to it [22:12] the screen came up, but no matter what i select- install, livecd option, ram check, they all do the same thing [22:13] takes me to a black screen with a dog icon in the middle, then just black [22:13] i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong [22:16] Ha... it's a mouse, not a dog. [22:16] Other than that, I'm not sure I can help, though. Sorry. [22:16] I've always gone with 32-bit. :-\ [22:19] likemindead does that name have anything to do with being "Gratefully" minded ?? {Heh,heh} [22:19] haha, my monitor is a tv screen, so i couldn't see that well [22:19] i might try the alternate install next [22:20] I don't follow, faron. [22:21] nevermind then...sort of a Grateful Dead issue [22:21] mintrepublic: how long you've waited with black screen? [22:21] thought you might be a fellow follower4 [22:21] follower {no4} [22:22] i just left it on in the living room, so about 15-20 minutes [22:32] mintrepublic, 9.10 or 10.04 or ...? [22:32] oh sorry, 9.10 [22:33] 9.10 desktop amd64, to be exact [22:48] mintrepublic: i had once a problem with installing xubuntu 9.10 and none of options worked then i cleaned cd as i saw it was with fat from food :) still didnt work then i rewrited (it was rewritablecd) and then i installed with it 3 comps [22:48] maybe oyur cd has butter on it? :) [22:49] breathe on it and then clean in clothe.. ;) [22:49] likemindead: one my friend thought it was a bear :) [22:53] I doubt it has butter or anything else on it since I just took it out of the spindle... [23:49] can anyone help me in editing my menu in Xubuntu Karmic? [23:49] I just loaded spicebird and that doesn't populate menu since it' just a tarball [23:53] all these people logged in and nobody can help me with editing my menu?????