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JontheEchidnainteresting, though I suppose we're not shipping the affected mysql since we're in feature freeze: http://blog.tampakrap.gr/akonadi-now-works-with-mysql-5-1/00:08
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neversfeldeapachelogger: Thanks for doing choqok. We discussed that choqok problem several times here and on the list. Seems that we have the choice to ship a probably only beta quality software or a version, that isn't supported by upstream anymore. As 0.9.* is imo much more stable than 0.6.6, fixes some probably critical bugs and debian also offers only 0.9.* it was a good decision to switch to choqok 0.9.*, I think. I am not sure, where I07:28
neversfelde could have mentioned this in the changelog, because the initial 0.9.* release for ubuntu was a sync?07:28
apacheloggerneversfelde: debian does not release in april though, which is why you should mention the reason in the merge changelog entry07:58
neversfeldeapachelogger: but no merge, was a sync08:11
apacheloggerok, I'll buy that08:11
neversfeldeanyway, I wouldn't have done it, if it was a merge, so thank you for the hint :)08:12
faboRiddell: any plans to sync/merge pkg-kde-tools ?09:08
faboi have some sync requests, but they b-d on pkg-kde-tools >= 0.6.509:08
Riddellfabo: no immediate plans, we're after feature freeze, what do you want synced?10:35
tseliotRiddell, kwwii: do we have a logo a some colours for the Kubuntu bootsplash?10:38
Riddelltseliot: not yet, I'm hoping some designs will appear today10:39
tseliotRiddell: ok, thanks. Please let me know when you have news10:39
ghostcubeo/10:41
faboRiddell: kvpnc10:43
faboRiddell: well, i need to do another upload. i'll downgrade pkg-kde-tools 0.6.4 to get an easier sync request10:46
Riddellapachelogger, JontheEchidna: I'll swap firefox-gnome-support for kmozillahelper in k-f-i11:58
Riddellwould be nice if k-f-i and ubiquity used the normal wallpaper, they both add about 700k using their custom ones12:02
Riddellmust say Kubuntu works much better with 3GB memory than with 1GB memory12:15
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apacheloggerRiddell: we could save even more if kfi and ubiquity would share the theming ;) *poke* shtylman14:11
Riddellapachelogger: just talking to pinheiro about that now in #oxygen14:12
shtylmanpokes back14:14
Riddellwell about updating to current artwork14:14
shtylman#join /oxygen14:14
shtylman:(14:14
Riddelli can't find the squares background pictures used in plasmoids14:17
RiddellI'd expect it to be in /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/14:17
shtylmanRiddell: thats usually a part of the containment or frame14:19
shtylmaniirc14:20
shtylmanRiddell: /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/widgets/background.svgz14:21
Riddellnaw, the decorative squares in the bottom right corner of plasmoids14:22
shtylmanyea14:22
shtylmanits there14:22
Riddellwhere?14:23
shtylmanthe background file14:23
shtylmandid you open it?14:23
Riddellin gwenview I did14:23
shtylmanthats not good enough14:23
shtylmanI think gwenview clicps to the page14:23
shtylmanthere is extra stuff outside the "page" bounds14:23
shtylmanyou need inkscape14:23
shtylmanI gotta run off to work... will get on irc there14:24
Riddellthat explains it14:24
jussi01is anyone aware of the current nvidia situation? is tseliot around?14:25
tseliotjussi01: yes, didn't you read my message to the mailing list?14:25
jussi01tseliot: yes, I just wondered if anything changed since then :)14:25
tseliotjussi01: nothing, I'm waiting for news from Nvidia14:26
jussi01tseliot: is there a list of cards affected?14:26
tseliotjussi01: AFAIK currently there is no evidence that the problem affects the linux driver14:27
jussi01tseliot: ahh, in that case I will take a smal risk.  :)14:27
tseliotbut Nvidia want to be sure14:27
tseliotyes, I'm using that driver without problems14:27
jussi01tseliot: sure, if it dies theres a good reason to get a new one :D14:27
tseliotheh, right ;)14:28
jussi01btw, did someone fix our firefox installer so it disappeared after installation? I just saw an update hit and thought, cripes, I forgot to file that bug...14:33
Riddelljussi01: I think there was a change to kdesudo to do that14:34
Riddellhttp://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/installer-art.png hmm, lacks a certain je ne sais quoi14:34
jussi01Riddell: a certain what?14:43
geniijussi01: "flair"14:44
Riddellje ne sais quoi14:45
jussi01hehe14:45
geniiOr "something I can't put my finger on"14:45
shtylmanRiddell: get your artwork issues resolved?15:09
Riddellshtylman: see e-mail15:10
shtylmanRiddell: do you want to use that new wallpaper? I can do that.. also.. I will just uses the system one in that case (very easy to do if I assume it exists) ... on another note... the squares look weird... but I can work on that15:12
freinhard1hi!15:12
shtylmanRiddell: the two are basically identical... we just never got around to sharing the space...15:12
shtylmanand if we move to using the system wallpaper most of the benefit is gone15:12
freinhard1ubiquity isn't that stable atm?15:13
shtylmansince the other files are mostly trivial15:13
Riddellshtylman: that's true, maybe we should just leave it as it is, we're not desperate for the disk space15:14
Riddellfreinhard1: what problem are you seeing?15:15
shtylmanRiddell: yea... and if (like we say) we just use the system wallpaper, then we should be ok.. and get the 700K back15:15
Riddellshtylman: so maybe we should keep that artwork as it is rather than using system wallpaper (unless nuno has better ideas) but change the packaging to share that wallpaper (probably just put it in kubuntu-default-settings)15:17
freinhard1Riddell: crashes quite frequently. the 08.03 image after selecting the language (just hit next on the first screen) and a 22.02 image crashed during repartitioning the harddisk15:18
Riddellfreinhard1: I think the language issue is fixed in shtylman's branch and needs reviewed/marged, I think the partitioning bug is fixed too15:19
shtylmanRiddell: what is the objection to using the system wallpaper? at least for the installer we know its there15:19
Riddellfreinhard1: but there are probably more in there, see http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 for the ones I know about15:19
Riddellshtylman: you just said "if we move to using the system wallpaper most of the benefit is gone"15:20
freinhard1Riddell: but there is no workaround for the language issue?15:20
shtylmanRiddell: most of the benefit of a shared package just for this15:20
shtylmansorry...I wasn't clear15:20
* shtylman is in favor of using the system wallpaper15:20
shtylmanthe only reason I didn't before was because it wasn't the wallpaper we were using for the background15:21
shtylmanbut since it is now... then no problem15:21
Riddellshtylman: ok so use system wallpaper, don't care about shared packaged, get the stylesheet sorted so the squares look good?15:22
Riddellfreinhard1: you need to use the code here https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shtylman/ubiquity/kubuntu15:23
shtylmanRiddell: sounds like a plan15:23
Riddellshtylman: do you know what needs to be done to get those squares against the border?15:23
freinhard1Riddell: so they won't be in a daily build soon?15:23
Riddelldepends if those changes get reviewed15:24
shtylmanRiddell: what did you change in the stylesheet to add those? I assume just replaces where I was using the circles.png?15:25
Riddellshtylman: yes, and made it bottom left15:25
shtylmanRiddell: still part of the #main_widget?15:29
Riddellyes15:29
shtylmanand is the png borderless?15:29
RiddellI think so15:30
shtylmanthat would be something to check15:30
Riddellhttp://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/squares.png15:30
jussi01hrm, can someone tell me how to find out the maintainer of a package? (IM looking for the maintainer of tremulous)15:30
Riddelljussi01: ?15:30
Riddellsurely you've been around long enough you know we don't have maintainers15:31
jussi01Riddell: sorry, I meant in debian, do they not have them anymore?15:31
Riddellhttp://packages.qa.debian.org/t/tremulous.html15:31
Riddellmaint15:31
Riddell    Damien Laniel15:31
jussi01k, thanks15:32
shtylmanRiddell: if you point me to a branch or send me the files I can take a closer look15:38
freinhardRiddell: using the branch is somehow difficult for me. got no spare pc at the momemt, just a brand new win7 netbook i'd like to get the kubuntu netbook remix on (9.10 doesn't work, kernel to old) and no web access during the installation :/15:39
shtylmanfreinhard: :/ you might have to wait a day or two for a newer installer... you could try an older cd image...15:39
Riddellshtylman: I've no branch, just install kubuntu-firefox-installer and use http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/squares.png and http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/style.qss15:39
Riddellshtylman: but don't let Michael Bloomburg catch you skiving work :)15:40
Riddellfreinhard: doesn't alpha 3 work?15:40
shtylmanRiddell: don't work there anymore :p15:40
Riddellshtylman: ah that explains how you got round the IRC block :)15:41
shtylmanindeed... my new workplace is a bit more flexible about it ..15:41
shtylmanI also use kubuntu at work now :)15:42
Riddellwin!15:44
Riddellagateau: have you seen bug 464571 ?15:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 464571 in kdepim "No yellow spark displayed in the icon when new mail in Kmail" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46457115:44
agateauRiddell: yup15:44
Riddellgood good15:44
RiddellI'll upload it to our packages in lucid15:45
agateauRiddell: sounds like people are starting to like this m-i thing!15:45
Riddell:)15:46
Quintasan\o16:06
ghostcubeo/16:07
Riddelldpm: what's the status of the upstream to downstream comparison tool?16:17
dpmRiddell, I sent you an e-mail about it some days ago, did you not get it? Or do you mean you need more info?16:18
Riddelldpm: don't see anything from you16:20
Riddellnot in spam either16:20
dpmit's the "Lucid language packs report" one, on 25/02/201016:20
dpmI can just resend it, no probs16:20
dpmRiddell, re-sent, let me know if you got it now16:21
shtylmanRiddell: http://shtylman.com/stuff/snapshot1.png16:24
Riddelldpm: nope :(16:24
shtylmanim still not fond of how the squares look (color wise... ) but I will deal with that later16:24
shtylmanthat was just showing you that it is possible to make them line up with the background16:25
Riddellshtylman: what did you change?16:25
shtylmanRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/391147/16:26
shtylmanalso.. I added a margin around the squares.png image16:26
shtylmanto make it line up with the border16:26
Riddellclever16:26
shtylmanRiddell: you can find it at that same location16:27
shtylmansquares.png16:27
Riddellapachelogger: do you know from your akonadi digging if this is something we care about? http://blog.tampakrap.gr/akonadi-now-works-with-mysql-5-1/16:44
nixternalall doc writing and no play makes nixternal a dull boy16:49
ScottKSo that's it.16:50
ScottK;-)16:50
Riddellnixternal: how are docs for lucid coming along?16:53
nixternalRiddell: should have a package this week16:58
Riddellyo da man16:58
nixternalhrmm, i made vlc crash so I could screenshot apport, however I closed out and now I can make apport pop up when I make vlc crash17:01
nixternalnow I *can't* make apport...17:02
nixternalhahaha17:02
nixternallogging back in shows it...woohoo :)17:02
Riddellyou'd need to remove the old crash file in /var/crash I think linux only writes on if there isn't already one17:04
Riddellnixternal: is that a new hackergotchi you have on planet kde?17:04
nixternalahh, that's where it is...groovy thanks17:04
nixternalRiddell: why yes it is..the less scary version I think17:05
nixternalshite...apport popped up chromium...need konqi :)17:05
nixternalwhat is the name of the app I need to use to clean up/compress images again?17:25
Riddelloptimizegraphics17:26
nixternalthank you17:27
Riddellapachelogger: kpackagekit's upgrade script runs "/usr/bin/do-release-upgrade -d -m desktop -f kde -p"  do you know why that includes the -d and -p ?17:27
jussi01nixternal: so what app did you write?17:28
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Riddellhttp://katonda.com/blog/858/kubuntu-lucid-lynx-treat-kde-fans pleasingly flattering review if mildly nonsensical18:44
Riddelldantti (apachelogger): http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/fix_upgrade_distro.diff18:45
Riddellneeded for packagekit18:45
RiddellI'll also add a depends on update-manager-kde to distro upgrade18:47
nixternali thought there was an app you could use in kde to file bug reports similar to apport...i know i have used it in the past, however i can find it nor remember the darn name18:47
nixternali can't find it...18:48
RiddellI don't think so18:48
nixternali must have smoked something illegally today then18:48
Riddellusing drkonqi will help a bit maybe18:49
Riddelldantti: is there any way for me to force the systray icon to do its checks?18:50
danttiRiddell: i don't get what is about that diff?18:52
danttiyou want me to apply that too?18:52
Riddelldantti: yes please, it means the right command gets run for dist upgrades18:52
danttik I thought what apachelogger sent was enough..18:53
Riddelldantti: aparantly apachelogger is fallable, it shocked me too :)18:54
geniinixternal: kbugbuster ?18:55
danttiRiddell: he even said to never doubt about his shell foo... :P18:55
jussi01Riddell: re: that link, whoever wrote it is perfectly right - a huge issue right now for us is the network manager....19:00
jussi01oh hrm, the plasmoid got added back in... with the silly old icon...19:04
nixternalgenii: nah, that isn't it...i used to use kbugbuster religiously, but b.k.o was faster for me19:11
binarylooksRiddell: Do you think there will be a ubuntuone client app for lucid?19:13
faboRiddell: kvpnc 0.9.6-1 uploaded, should I request a sync ?19:56
shtylmanisn't the network manager supposed to handle vpn stuff now?19:59
ScottKshtylman: In theory.  Tonio_ was complaining about that recently.20:00
faboRiddell: #53426420:00
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Riddelljussi01: we currently use the non plasmoid network manager but upstream thinks we should switch to the plasmoid20:43
shtylmanRiddell: what do you think?20:50
shtylmanis it worth testing?20:50
ghostcubeo/20:53
nixternaljjesse: status of the docs you are working on? office is still blank, but i know you have committed to desktop-config (which is broken btw)... darkwingduck and dhillonv have 5 missing docs...a bit scarey right now21:15
jjessenixternal: i have a bunch written for office but not committed21:23
jjessenixternal: when is string freeze or these are due?21:23
nixternal2 weeks maybe, but we have too have a package this week21:27
nixternalotherwise we will ship a typo'd docs package I worry21:27
jjesseok i'll see what i can do21:28
nixternalwe need to get it out so people can hash out bugs21:28
nixternalI am not worried about you, the other 2 are starting to scare me a bit21:28
Riddellshtylman: is what worth testing?21:31
shtylmanthe network management plasmoid21:32
Riddellshtylman: yes it's worth testing21:33
Riddellit seems to work fine21:33
shtylmank21:33
shtylmancool21:33
Riddellyou need to install it21:33
Riddellkillall knetworkmanager21:33
Riddellqdbus org.kde.kded /kded org.kde.kded.loadModule networkmanagement21:33
Riddelladd the plasmoid21:33
shtylmanwhen using debuild ... can I tell it where to put the debs and other crap it generates?22:14
shtylmaninstead of defaulting to the directory above current?22:14
JontheEchidnayay, KDE patches landed in Firefox22:22
neversfeldeso 3.7 has the KDE integration from opensuse?22:23
shtylmanfirefox is so last year...22:24
JontheEchidnaneversfelde: Dunno, I was talking about Ubuntu's 3.6 packages22:25
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: ah ok22:25
JontheEchidnait works: http://imagebin.ca/view/YySlsM.html22:29
RiddellJontheEchidna: yay22:38
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: any ideas on what to do about this?22:38
JontheEchidnaer, bug 53410622:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 534106 in synaptic "kdebase runtime updates wants to install un needed programs" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53410622:38
JontheEchidnatell 'em to suck it and use --no-install-recommends? ;P22:39
shtylmanfor some reason imagebin.ca doesnt' work for me... :(22:41
JontheEchidnashtylman: just drag a KDE open file dialog over about:empty in firefox for the same effect ;P22:42
JontheEchidnaor use the lucid firefox packages22:42
shtylmanfirefox...psh22:42
JontheEchidnathe font is all spindly. I think I'll stick with chrome22:43
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JontheEchidnakerning is messed up too22:43
RiddellJontheEchidna: I don't see what is making that guy have kpackagekit installed22:45
JontheEchidnaRiddell: kdebase-runtime depends on kubuntu-debug-installer which depends on kpackagekit22:45
JontheEchidnaoh, maybe not kpackagekit yet22:45
Riddellaah22:45
JontheEchidnamm, not yet kpackagekit22:46
JontheEchidnashould only need install-package and kdesudo atm22:46
Riddellit uses kpackagekit now22:46
JontheEchidnain bzr trunk, but that's not been released yet iirc22:47
JontheEchidnabut once the next version is released it would cause kpackagekit to be dragged in22:48
JontheEchidnabut not the install-package/gdebi stack22:48
Riddellhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/i386/kubuntu-debug-installer/10.04ubuntu2 says it needs kpackagekit22:48
JontheEchidnaoops, was looking at the firefox installer22:49
Riddell~22:52
JontheEchidnaOh, kpackagekit depends on software-properties-kde which depends on install-package22:52
Riddellwhich it needs for apt-get update22:53
maco2well this is problematic. karmic no longer will let my screen brightness go below 100%23:09
shtylmanmaco2: does it go above 100?23:37
maco2shtylman: heh doubtful23:37
shtylmandarn23:37
maco2shtylman: brightness is fixed. its at the end of the slider in the battery applet and keyboard buttons do nothing.23:38
maco2where fixed = stationary23:38
Riddellwhat if you slide the slider?23:38
maco2or static23:38
maco2not "working"23:38
maco2Riddell: it moves as i slide it and the brightness doesnt change and then i let go and the applet closes and then i open the applet again and it's at the end again23:38
maco2i wonder if it's the -proposed kernel's fault23:39
Riddellhttp://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-beta-9 published23:41
shtylmanwoooooooooo!!!!!!23:41
Riddellkdevelop hasn't bothered to announce it but their developers have blogged about it23:41
shtylmanyou should say how they can add it aka... add-apt-repository23:41
shtylmanit needs no announcement it is that cool23:42
RiddellI wonder why we can't we use apt-url instead of add-apt-repository23:43
RiddellI don't want to put add-apt-repository on that news page, it's forcing people to use the command line when they might not want to23:44
shtylmandoes that work?23:44
shtylmangive me an apt-url to try23:44
shtylmanI have chrome... wanna see if it works :)23:44
RiddellI've no idea23:44
Riddelldoubt it works with chrome23:45
shtylmandon't be hatin23:45
maco2do it with krunner?23:45
shtylmanoh.. thats a great idea...23:46
shtylmanpeople can learn how to use krunner more :)23:46
maco2"just hit alt+f2 and enter apt://..."23:46
maco2i learned how to make krunner do math last week!23:47
maco2(i still prefer bc -l)23:47
shtylmanapt url didn't work in chrome :(23:49
Riddellseems apt-url can't add repositories23:50
Riddellwhich is all very nice and secure, but a notable hassle for users compared to suse's 1 click23:51
shtylmansadness23:51
shtylmanI thought it could add them?23:51
maco2it can if you have a special spiffy approved ppa, i think?23:51
Riddellnothing on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptUrl about adding23:51
maco2one of the requirements of a special spiffy approved ppa being: no non-final-release software23:51
Riddellonly refreshing after adding23:51
Riddellmaco2: got any info about getting spiffy approved PPAs?23:52
maco2Riddell: remember Arc from the loco here? he was whinging about inability to add-ppa-and-install-software as a 1-click apt-url23:52
maco2Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/KarmicAptUrlPpaPolicy23:53
maco2Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyRepositoryApplicationProcess23:54
Riddelldoesn't look like KarmicAptUrlPpaPolicy ever got approved and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/374568 "PPA packages should be installable via apt-url" got unassigned last month23:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 374568 in soyuz "PPA packages should be installable via apt-url" [High,Triaged]23:55
maco2bah23:56
Riddellhttp://blog.nixternal.com/2009.06.01/my-thoughts-about-apt-url/ is interesting23:57
neversfeldeRiddell: that is old, isn't it?23:58
maco2shtylman: i think i need to learn to use krunner all expert-like. even though i almost never use it. just so when i get asked "can kde do FOO?" i have an answer23:58
neversfeldeRiddell: thank you for having a look at kfritz btw.23:58
Riddellneversfelde: what is?23:58
neversfeldeRiddell: the blog post23:58
maco2like "does kde have something like gnome-do?" "krunner" "can it do FOO?" "uhhh....i dont actually *use* it..."23:58
shtylmanRiddell: that is interesting...23:58
shtylmanmaco2: indeed... krunner is part of my workflow23:58
Riddellit's from last year yes, I just haven't bothered looking into this question before23:58
shtylmanI don't even have a K menu23:58
shtylmanif it can't be done from the runner... it can't be done... :)23:59
maco2my workflow: keep at least 1 terminal open at all times. when possible, use it.23:59

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