[00:08] <JontheEchidna> interesting, though I suppose we're not shipping the affected mysql since we're in feature freeze: http://blog.tampakrap.gr/akonadi-now-works-with-mysql-5-1/
[00:45] <jjesse> evening
[07:28] <neversfelde> apachelogger: Thanks for doing choqok. We discussed that choqok problem several times here and on the list. Seems that we have the choice to ship a probably only beta quality software or a version, that isn't supported by upstream anymore. As 0.9.* is imo much more stable than 0.6.6, fixes some probably critical bugs and debian also offers only 0.9.* it was a good decision to switch to choqok 0.9.*, I think. I am not sure, where I
[07:28] <neversfelde>  could have mentioned this in the changelog, because the initial 0.9.* release for ubuntu was a sync?
[07:58] <apachelogger> neversfelde: debian does not release in april though, which is why you should mention the reason in the merge changelog entry
[08:11] <neversfelde> apachelogger: but no merge, was a sync
[08:11] <apachelogger> ok, I'll buy that
[08:12] <neversfelde> anyway, I wouldn't have done it, if it was a merge, so thank you for the hint :)
[09:08] <fabo> Riddell: any plans to sync/merge pkg-kde-tools ?
[09:08] <fabo> i have some sync requests, but they b-d on pkg-kde-tools >= 0.6.5
[10:35] <Riddell> fabo: no immediate plans, we're after feature freeze, what do you want synced?
[10:38] <tseliot> Riddell, kwwii: do we have a logo a some colours for the Kubuntu bootsplash?
[10:39] <Riddell> tseliot: not yet, I'm hoping some designs will appear today
[10:39] <tseliot> Riddell: ok, thanks. Please let me know when you have news
[10:41] <ghostcube> o/
[10:43] <fabo> Riddell: kvpnc
[10:46] <fabo> Riddell: well, i need to do another upload. i'll downgrade pkg-kde-tools 0.6.4 to get an easier sync request
[11:58] <Riddell> apachelogger, JontheEchidna: I'll swap firefox-gnome-support for kmozillahelper in k-f-i
[12:02] <Riddell> would be nice if k-f-i and ubiquity used the normal wallpaper, they both add about 700k using their custom ones
[12:15] <Riddell> must say Kubuntu works much better with 3GB memory than with 1GB memory
[14:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: we could save even more if kfi and ubiquity would share the theming ;) *poke* shtylman
[14:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: just talking to pinheiro about that now in #oxygen
[14:14] <shtylman> pokes back
[14:14] <Riddell> well about updating to current artwork
[14:14] <shtylman> #join /oxygen
[14:14] <shtylman> :(
[14:17] <Riddell> i can't find the squares background pictures used in plasmoids
[14:17] <Riddell> I'd expect it to be in /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/
[14:19] <shtylman> Riddell: thats usually a part of the containment or frame
[14:20] <shtylman> iirc
[14:21] <shtylman> Riddell: /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/widgets/background.svgz
[14:22] <Riddell> naw, the decorative squares in the bottom right corner of plasmoids
[14:22] <shtylman> yea
[14:22] <shtylman> its there
[14:23] <Riddell> where?
[14:23] <shtylman> the background file
[14:23] <shtylman> did you open it?
[14:23] <Riddell> in gwenview I did
[14:23] <shtylman> thats not good enough
[14:23] <shtylman> I think gwenview clicps to the page
[14:23] <shtylman> there is extra stuff outside the "page" bounds
[14:23] <shtylman> you need inkscape
[14:24] <shtylman> I gotta run off to work... will get on irc there
[14:24] <Riddell> that explains it
[14:25] <jussi01> is anyone aware of the current nvidia situation? is tseliot around?
[14:25] <tseliot> jussi01: yes, didn't you read my message to the mailing list?
[14:25] <jussi01> tseliot: yes, I just wondered if anything changed since then :)
[14:26] <tseliot> jussi01: nothing, I'm waiting for news from Nvidia
[14:26] <jussi01> tseliot: is there a list of cards affected?
[14:27] <tseliot> jussi01: AFAIK currently there is no evidence that the problem affects the linux driver
[14:27] <jussi01> tseliot: ahh, in that case I will take a smal risk.  :)
[14:27] <tseliot> but Nvidia want to be sure
[14:27] <tseliot> yes, I'm using that driver without problems
[14:27] <jussi01> tseliot: sure, if it dies theres a good reason to get a new one :D
[14:28] <tseliot> heh, right ;)
[14:33] <jussi01> btw, did someone fix our firefox installer so it disappeared after installation? I just saw an update hit and thought, cripes, I forgot to file that bug...
[14:34] <Riddell> jussi01: I think there was a change to kdesudo to do that
[14:34] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/installer-art.png hmm, lacks a certain je ne sais quoi
[14:43] <jussi01> Riddell: a certain what?
[14:44] <genii> jussi01: "flair"
[14:45] <Riddell> je ne sais quoi
[14:45] <jussi01> hehe
[14:45] <genii> Or "something I can't put my finger on"
[15:09] <shtylman> Riddell: get your artwork issues resolved?
[15:10] <Riddell> shtylman: see e-mail
[15:12] <shtylman> Riddell: do you want to use that new wallpaper? I can do that.. also.. I will just uses the system one in that case (very easy to do if I assume it exists) ... on another note... the squares look weird... but I can work on that
[15:12] <freinhard1> hi!
[15:12] <shtylman> Riddell: the two are basically identical... we just never got around to sharing the space...
[15:12] <shtylman> and if we move to using the system wallpaper most of the benefit is gone
[15:13] <freinhard1> ubiquity isn't that stable atm?
[15:13] <shtylman> since the other files are mostly trivial
[15:14] <Riddell> shtylman: that's true, maybe we should just leave it as it is, we're not desperate for the disk space
[15:15] <Riddell> freinhard1: what problem are you seeing?
[15:15] <shtylman> Riddell: yea... and if (like we say) we just use the system wallpaper, then we should be ok.. and get the 700K back
[15:17] <Riddell> shtylman: so maybe we should keep that artwork as it is rather than using system wallpaper (unless nuno has better ideas) but change the packaging to share that wallpaper (probably just put it in kubuntu-default-settings)
[15:18] <freinhard1> Riddell: crashes quite frequently. the 08.03 image after selecting the language (just hit next on the first screen) and a 22.02 image crashed during repartitioning the harddisk
[15:19] <Riddell> freinhard1: I think the language issue is fixed in shtylman's branch and needs reviewed/marged, I think the partitioning bug is fixed too
[15:19] <shtylman> Riddell: what is the objection to using the system wallpaper? at least for the installer we know its there
[15:19] <Riddell> freinhard1: but there are probably more in there, see http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 for the ones I know about
[15:20] <Riddell> shtylman: you just said "if we move to using the system wallpaper most of the benefit is gone"
[15:20] <freinhard1> Riddell: but there is no workaround for the language issue?
[15:20] <shtylman> Riddell: most of the benefit of a shared package just for this
[15:20] <shtylman> sorry...I wasn't clear
[15:20]  * shtylman is in favor of using the system wallpaper
[15:21] <shtylman> the only reason I didn't before was because it wasn't the wallpaper we were using for the background
[15:21] <shtylman> but since it is now... then no problem
[15:22] <Riddell> shtylman: ok so use system wallpaper, don't care about shared packaged, get the stylesheet sorted so the squares look good?
[15:23] <Riddell> freinhard1: you need to use the code here https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shtylman/ubiquity/kubuntu
[15:23] <shtylman> Riddell: sounds like a plan
[15:23] <Riddell> shtylman: do you know what needs to be done to get those squares against the border?
[15:23] <freinhard1> Riddell: so they won't be in a daily build soon?
[15:24] <Riddell> depends if those changes get reviewed
[15:25] <shtylman> Riddell: what did you change in the stylesheet to add those? I assume just replaces where I was using the circles.png?
[15:25] <Riddell> shtylman: yes, and made it bottom left
[15:29] <shtylman> Riddell: still part of the #main_widget?
[15:29] <Riddell> yes
[15:29] <shtylman> and is the png borderless?
[15:30] <Riddell> I think so
[15:30] <shtylman> that would be something to check
[15:30] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/squares.png
[15:30] <jussi01> hrm, can someone tell me how to find out the maintainer of a package? (IM looking for the maintainer of tremulous)
[15:30] <Riddell> jussi01: ?
[15:31] <Riddell> surely you've been around long enough you know we don't have maintainers
[15:31] <jussi01> Riddell: sorry, I meant in debian, do they not have them anymore?
[15:31] <Riddell> http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/tremulous.html
[15:31] <Riddell> maint
[15:31] <Riddell>     Damien Laniel
[15:32] <jussi01> k, thanks
[15:38] <shtylman> Riddell: if you point me to a branch or send me the files I can take a closer look
[15:39] <freinhard> Riddell: using the branch is somehow difficult for me. got no spare pc at the momemt, just a brand new win7 netbook i'd like to get the kubuntu netbook remix on (9.10 doesn't work, kernel to old) and no web access during the installation :/
[15:39] <shtylman> freinhard: :/ you might have to wait a day or two for a newer installer... you could try an older cd image...
[15:39] <Riddell> shtylman: I've no branch, just install kubuntu-firefox-installer and use http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/squares.png and http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/style.qss
[15:40] <Riddell> shtylman: but don't let Michael Bloomburg catch you skiving work :)
[15:40] <Riddell> freinhard: doesn't alpha 3 work?
[15:40] <shtylman> Riddell: don't work there anymore :p
[15:41] <Riddell> shtylman: ah that explains how you got round the IRC block :)
[15:41] <shtylman> indeed... my new workplace is a bit more flexible about it ..
[15:42] <shtylman> I also use kubuntu at work now :)
[15:44] <Riddell> win!
[15:44] <Riddell> agateau: have you seen bug 464571 ?
[15:44] <agateau> Riddell: yup
[15:44] <Riddell> good good
[15:45] <Riddell> I'll upload it to our packages in lucid
[15:45] <agateau> Riddell: sounds like people are starting to like this m-i thing!
[15:46] <Riddell> :)
[16:06] <Quintasan> \o
[16:07] <ghostcube> o/
[16:17] <Riddell> dpm: what's the status of the upstream to downstream comparison tool?
[16:18] <dpm> Riddell, I sent you an e-mail about it some days ago, did you not get it? Or do you mean you need more info?
[16:20] <Riddell> dpm: don't see anything from you
[16:20] <Riddell> not in spam either
[16:20] <dpm> it's the "Lucid language packs report" one, on 25/02/2010
[16:20] <dpm> I can just resend it, no probs
[16:21] <dpm> Riddell, re-sent, let me know if you got it now
[16:24] <shtylman> Riddell: http://shtylman.com/stuff/snapshot1.png
[16:24] <Riddell> dpm: nope :(
[16:24] <shtylman> im still not fond of how the squares look (color wise... ) but I will deal with that later
[16:25] <shtylman> that was just showing you that it is possible to make them line up with the background
[16:25] <Riddell> shtylman: what did you change?
[16:26] <shtylman> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/391147/
[16:26] <shtylman> also.. I added a margin around the squares.png image
[16:26] <shtylman> to make it line up with the border
[16:26] <Riddell> clever
[16:27] <shtylman> Riddell: you can find it at that same location
[16:27] <shtylman> squares.png
[16:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you know from your akonadi digging if this is something we care about? http://blog.tampakrap.gr/akonadi-now-works-with-mysql-5-1/
[16:49] <nixternal> all doc writing and no play makes nixternal a dull boy
[16:50] <ScottK> So that's it.
[16:50] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:53] <Riddell> nixternal: how are docs for lucid coming along?
[16:58] <nixternal> Riddell: should have a package this week
[16:58] <Riddell> yo da man
[17:01] <nixternal> hrmm, i made vlc crash so I could screenshot apport, however I closed out and now I can make apport pop up when I make vlc crash
[17:02] <nixternal> now I *can't* make apport...
[17:02] <nixternal> hahaha
[17:02] <nixternal> logging back in shows it...woohoo :)
[17:04] <Riddell> you'd need to remove the old crash file in /var/crash I think linux only writes on if there isn't already one
[17:04] <Riddell> nixternal: is that a new hackergotchi you have on planet kde?
[17:04] <nixternal> ahh, that's where it is...groovy thanks
[17:05] <nixternal> Riddell: why yes it is..the less scary version I think
[17:05] <nixternal> shite...apport popped up chromium...need konqi :)
[17:25] <nixternal> what is the name of the app I need to use to clean up/compress images again?
[17:26] <Riddell> optimizegraphics
[17:27] <nixternal> thank you
[17:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: kpackagekit's upgrade script runs "/usr/bin/do-release-upgrade -d -m desktop -f kde -p"  do you know why that includes the -d and -p ?
[17:28] <jussi01> nixternal: so what app did you write?
[18:44] <Riddell> http://katonda.com/blog/858/kubuntu-lucid-lynx-treat-kde-fans pleasingly flattering review if mildly nonsensical
[18:45] <Riddell> dantti (apachelogger): http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/fix_upgrade_distro.diff
[18:45] <Riddell> needed for packagekit
[18:47] <Riddell> I'll also add a depends on update-manager-kde to distro upgrade
[18:47] <nixternal> i thought there was an app you could use in kde to file bug reports similar to apport...i know i have used it in the past, however i can find it nor remember the darn name
[18:48] <nixternal> i can't find it...
[18:48] <Riddell> I don't think so
[18:48] <nixternal> i must have smoked something illegally today then
[18:49] <Riddell> using drkonqi will help a bit maybe
[18:50] <Riddell> dantti: is there any way for me to force the systray icon to do its checks?
[18:52] <dantti> Riddell: i don't get what is about that diff?
[18:52] <dantti> you want me to apply that too?
[18:52] <Riddell> dantti: yes please, it means the right command gets run for dist upgrades
[18:53] <dantti> k I thought what apachelogger sent was enough..
[18:54] <Riddell> dantti: aparantly apachelogger is fallable, it shocked me too :)
[18:55] <genii> nixternal: kbugbuster ?
[18:55] <dantti> Riddell: he even said to never doubt about his shell foo... :P
[19:00] <jussi01> Riddell: re: that link, whoever wrote it is perfectly right - a huge issue right now for us is the network manager....
[19:04] <jussi01> oh hrm, the plasmoid got added back in... with the silly old icon...
[19:11] <nixternal> genii: nah, that isn't it...i used to use kbugbuster religiously, but b.k.o was faster for me
[19:13] <binarylooks> Riddell: Do you think there will be a ubuntuone client app for lucid?
[19:56] <fabo> Riddell: kvpnc 0.9.6-1 uploaded, should I request a sync ?
[19:59] <shtylman> isn't the network manager supposed to handle vpn stuff now?
[20:00] <ScottK> shtylman: In theory.  Tonio_ was complaining about that recently.
[20:00] <fabo> Riddell: #534264
[20:43] <Riddell> jussi01: we currently use the non plasmoid network manager but upstream thinks we should switch to the plasmoid
[20:50] <shtylman> Riddell: what do you think?
[20:50] <shtylman> is it worth testing?
[20:53] <ghostcube> o/
[21:15] <nixternal> jjesse: status of the docs you are working on? office is still blank, but i know you have committed to desktop-config (which is broken btw)... darkwingduck and dhillonv have 5 missing docs...a bit scarey right now
[21:23] <jjesse> nixternal: i have a bunch written for office but not committed
[21:23] <jjesse> nixternal: when is string freeze or these are due?
[21:27] <nixternal> 2 weeks maybe, but we have too have a package this week
[21:27] <nixternal> otherwise we will ship a typo'd docs package I worry
[21:28] <jjesse> ok i'll see what i can do
[21:28] <nixternal> we need to get it out so people can hash out bugs
[21:28] <nixternal> I am not worried about you, the other 2 are starting to scare me a bit
[21:31] <Riddell> shtylman: is what worth testing?
[21:32] <shtylman> the network management plasmoid
[21:33] <Riddell> shtylman: yes it's worth testing
[21:33] <Riddell> it seems to work fine
[21:33] <shtylman> k
[21:33] <shtylman> cool
[21:33] <Riddell> you need to install it
[21:33] <Riddell> killall knetworkmanager
[21:33] <Riddell> qdbus org.kde.kded /kded org.kde.kded.loadModule networkmanagement
[21:33] <Riddell> add the plasmoid
[22:14] <shtylman> when using debuild ... can I tell it where to put the debs and other crap it generates?
[22:14] <shtylman> instead of defaulting to the directory above current?
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> yay, KDE patches landed in Firefox
[22:23] <neversfelde> so 3.7 has the KDE integration from opensuse?
[22:24] <shtylman> firefox is so last year...
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: Dunno, I was talking about Ubuntu's 3.6 packages
[22:25] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: ah ok
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> it works: http://imagebin.ca/view/YySlsM.html
[22:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yay
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: any ideas on what to do about this?
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> er, bug 534106
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> tell 'em to suck it and use --no-install-recommends? ;P
[22:41] <shtylman> for some reason imagebin.ca doesnt' work for me... :(
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: just drag a KDE open file dialog over about:empty in firefox for the same effect ;P
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> or use the lucid firefox packages
[22:42] <shtylman> firefox...psh
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> the font is all spindly. I think I'll stick with chrome
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> kerning is messed up too
[22:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I don't see what is making that guy have kpackagekit installed
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kdebase-runtime depends on kubuntu-debug-installer which depends on kpackagekit
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> oh, maybe not kpackagekit yet
[22:45] <Riddell> aah
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> mm, not yet kpackagekit
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> should only need install-package and kdesudo atm
[22:46] <Riddell> it uses kpackagekit now
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> in bzr trunk, but that's not been released yet iirc
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> but once the next version is released it would cause kpackagekit to be dragged in
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> but not the install-package/gdebi stack
[22:48] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/i386/kubuntu-debug-installer/10.04ubuntu2 says it needs kpackagekit
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> oops, was looking at the firefox installer
[22:52] <Riddell> ~
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> Oh, kpackagekit depends on software-properties-kde which depends on install-package
[22:53] <Riddell> which it needs for apt-get update
[23:09] <maco2> well this is problematic. karmic no longer will let my screen brightness go below 100%
[23:37] <shtylman> maco2: does it go above 100?
[23:37] <maco2> shtylman: heh doubtful
[23:37] <shtylman> darn
[23:38] <maco2> shtylman: brightness is fixed. its at the end of the slider in the battery applet and keyboard buttons do nothing.
[23:38] <maco2> where fixed = stationary
[23:38] <Riddell> what if you slide the slider?
[23:38] <maco2> or static
[23:38] <maco2> not "working"
[23:38] <maco2> Riddell: it moves as i slide it and the brightness doesnt change and then i let go and the applet closes and then i open the applet again and it's at the end again
[23:39] <maco2> i wonder if it's the -proposed kernel's fault
[23:41] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-beta-9 published
[23:41] <shtylman> woooooooooo!!!!!!
[23:41] <Riddell> kdevelop hasn't bothered to announce it but their developers have blogged about it
[23:41] <shtylman> you should say how they can add it aka... add-apt-repository
[23:42] <shtylman> it needs no announcement it is that cool
[23:43] <Riddell> I wonder why we can't we use apt-url instead of add-apt-repository
[23:44] <Riddell> I don't want to put add-apt-repository on that news page, it's forcing people to use the command line when they might not want to
[23:44] <shtylman> does that work?
[23:44] <shtylman> give me an apt-url to try
[23:44] <shtylman> I have chrome... wanna see if it works :)
[23:44] <Riddell> I've no idea
[23:45] <Riddell> doubt it works with chrome
[23:45] <shtylman> don't be hatin
[23:45] <maco2> do it with krunner?
[23:46] <shtylman> oh.. thats a great idea...
[23:46] <shtylman> people can learn how to use krunner more :)
[23:46] <maco2> "just hit alt+f2 and enter apt://..."
[23:47] <maco2> i learned how to make krunner do math last week!
[23:47] <maco2> (i still prefer bc -l)
[23:49] <shtylman> apt url didn't work in chrome :(
[23:50] <Riddell> seems apt-url can't add repositories
[23:51] <Riddell> which is all very nice and secure, but a notable hassle for users compared to suse's 1 click
[23:51] <shtylman> sadness
[23:51] <shtylman> I thought it could add them?
[23:51] <maco2> it can if you have a special spiffy approved ppa, i think?
[23:51] <Riddell> nothing on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptUrl about adding
[23:51] <maco2> one of the requirements of a special spiffy approved ppa being: no non-final-release software
[23:51] <Riddell> only refreshing after adding
[23:52] <Riddell> maco2: got any info about getting spiffy approved PPAs?
[23:52] <maco2> Riddell: remember Arc from the loco here? he was whinging about inability to add-ppa-and-install-software as a 1-click apt-url
[23:53] <maco2> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/KarmicAptUrlPpaPolicy
[23:54] <maco2> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyRepositoryApplicationProcess
[23:55] <Riddell> doesn't look like KarmicAptUrlPpaPolicy ever got approved and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/374568 "PPA packages should be installable via apt-url" got unassigned last month
[23:56] <maco2> bah
[23:57] <Riddell> http://blog.nixternal.com/2009.06.01/my-thoughts-about-apt-url/ is interesting
[23:58] <neversfelde> Riddell: that is old, isn't it?
[23:58] <maco2> shtylman: i think i need to learn to use krunner all expert-like. even though i almost never use it. just so when i get asked "can kde do FOO?" i have an answer
[23:58] <neversfelde> Riddell: thank you for having a look at kfritz btw.
[23:58] <Riddell> neversfelde: what is?
[23:58] <neversfelde> Riddell: the blog post
[23:58] <maco2> like "does kde have something like gnome-do?" "krunner" "can it do FOO?" "uhhh....i dont actually *use* it..."
[23:58] <shtylman> Riddell: that is interesting...
[23:58] <shtylman> maco2: indeed... krunner is part of my workflow
[23:58] <Riddell> it's from last year yes, I just haven't bothered looking into this question before
[23:58] <shtylman> I don't even have a K menu
[23:59] <shtylman> if it can't be done from the runner... it can't be done... :)
[23:59] <maco2> my workflow: keep at least 1 terminal open at all times. when possible, use it.