[00:00] yes to BUGabundo [00:00] not to you h00k I don't know [00:00] the title is so deciving [00:01] h00k: if I'm not mistaken that was posponed for lucid+1 [00:01] ubuntu+2 [00:02] yofel: ah, alright. [00:02] lool [00:02] yofel: I also saw it's "there" just disabled [00:02] What is RGBA? [00:03] or should i google? [00:03] Ian_Corne: transparency support I think [00:03] for everything? [00:03] or? [00:03] gnome-terminal has it already [00:03] err [00:03] Ian_Corne: I think it's part of gtk, so it should be for everything [00:03] _has_ is very messy [00:03] it has kinda [00:04] well [00:04] if you turn on compiz [00:04] I remember filing a bug, when the changed modes [00:04] it does [00:04] Ian_Corne: I think it's different from compiz, more like what windows aero does I think [00:04] and all hell broke loose [00:04] otherwise you just see your dekstop :p [00:04] BUGabundo: did you check the paste i posted by any chance? [00:04] that was like two cycles away [00:04] rgba is not transparency [00:05] sahk0: wasn't alpha channel about transparency? [00:06] aww ubuntu+2 is invite only [00:06] what's going in there? [00:06] yofel: not 100% sure [00:06] Has anyone noticed their notification area growing slowly? [00:06] guys, enjoy a nice evening [00:07] I'm going to bed.... eralish today [00:07] gn [00:07] not the usual 4am+ [00:07] hope no more servers fried during the weekend [00:07] gn8 BUGabundo [00:07] yes lukehasnoname everything is getting pushed in there [00:08] Ian_Corne: I mean, there are still only three icons, but it flickers momentarily and then gets larger [00:08] as in, creates blank gaps [00:08] oh [00:08] does anyone else find the introduction of the new theme 1 day before UI Freeze a little dictatorial? [00:08] haven't noticed that sorry [00:09] KenBW2: I understand that canonical has a business to run and there are aspects of their brand and marketing they won't negotiate on. [00:09] That said, their window button choice is soooo stupid. [00:09] that's the point - they introduce the new theme before anyone gets a say, and then break their own UI Freeze rules by changing it afterwards [00:11] KenBW2: the UI Freeze can be excepted [00:11] indeed [00:11] but better to discuss *before* the UI freeze, no? [00:12] "too many cooks in the kitchen" [00:12] KenBW2: it's not for certain if things will stay the way they are or not [00:12] When there are things that have no chance of getting 100% consensus (UI) they just pull the trigger. [00:12] KenBW2: screenshots of the themes were available for a while, and the discussion is done on UDS and the artwork mailing list [00:13] Now, it'd be nice if they fixed the window button location back to 'right', as so many people have pointed out, it makes the left side cluttered and the 'close' button is too close to the 'edit' button. [00:13] lukehasnoname: i thought they had? [00:13] lukehasnoname: I fear they'll listen to us as much as they did with the update-manager popup... [00:13] Did they? I haven't been online all weekend [00:14] what happened to the community? [00:14] KenBW2: the communitiy is welcome, as long as you complain at the right place at the right time [00:15] now in this channel is too late [00:15] Does anyone know how to re-enable the MeMenu if it has been disabled? [00:15] and does anyone know which themes have icons for the new indicator applet functionality? [00:15] yofel: theres no shortage of community proposed themes on the wiki [00:16] thak: I think it's under the 'user switcher' tool for the gnome panel. [00:16] right click the panel > add to panel > user switcher [00:16] KenBW2: well, then go to the ayatana folks (I think) and ask them why they don't use them [00:16] try it [00:16] Anyone have any idea why the lucid package of maxima depends on libc6 >= 2.11, whereas the package in debian (same version number) only depends on >= 2.7? [00:16] yofel: hmm, im yet to see a good idea come out of their dept [00:16] KenBW2: me too, that's why I use KDE now [00:17] "Good" isn't very objective [00:17] yofel: isnt NotifyOSD on Kubuntu too? [00:17] AtomicSpark: poke [00:17] h00k: POEK [00:17] KenBW2: it was in karmic, but the support was dropped in lucid, kubuntu is going back to a more 'clean' KDE [00:18] funkyHat: OHAI! [00:18] Leftmost: Because it was compiled against eglib 2.11 [00:18] KenBW2: but that's a result of a staff shortage too [00:18] yofel: how does kubuntu compare with ubuntu, in terms of stability [00:19] KenBW2: as the core system is the same, similiar, it then depends on the stability of gnome and KDE and I haven't compared them in lucid yet so I can't say [00:20] I wouldn't say it's fair to compare stability in a pre-release. [00:20] KenBW2: but it works fine for me, the only grave issues I have/had in lucid are usually plymouth related [00:20] I'm not a big fan of their social network integration, but notify-osd is the single best contribtution to Ubuntu's UI and usability IMO [00:20] I love it [00:20] AtomicSpark: that's true as well [00:21] lukehasnoname: I don't like how they made the notifications non-interactive but instead decided that popup windows were the ideal solution to persistent notifications [00:23] add that to the insane decision of gnome to get rid of as many menu icons as possible and you get the reasoning of me switching to KDE [00:23] yofel: I think making non-interactive messages pop-ups are awesome. My only complaint is that in Pidgin, for example, I cannot stop new messages from being displayed on notify-osd. If I'm having a private conversation, it's troubling! [00:23] yofel: What do you mean, getting rid of menu icons? [00:23] lukehasnoname: well, that's user preference I guess then. I *hate* popup windows [00:23] yofel: Actually the dialog windows are the fallback of the notification system if the thing showing the notifications reports it doesn't support buttons [00:23] lukehasnoname: Are you sure there isn't an option in Pidgin's plugin list? [00:24] yofel: take it icons are here to stay in KDE? [00:24] AtomicSpark: hmm... maybe. [00:24] lukehasnoname: empathy is much, much better in lucid. maybe we'll convert you. ;) [00:24] Amaranth: well, notify-osd doesn't support buttons, does it? [00:24] KenBW2: haven't heared otherwise yet (and I hope it stays so) [00:24] yofel: It wasn't a specific decision to make it do so, it was considered an acceptable downside for apps that don't behave [00:25] (the app is supposed to query for button support first) [00:25] Amaranth: ah, makes sense [00:25] And yet, this will all be going away in 10.10, gnome-shell has it's own notification thingy [00:25] AtomicSpark: Ya, libnotify plugin has those options. Thanks! And we'll see about empathy... I just think Pidgin is better. I have reasons, I just don't remember them ATM. Yes, I tried Empathy in Lucid... might try it again when I'm not doing homework. [00:25] Ian_Corne: I doubt 10.10 will use gnome-shell [00:25] :( [00:25] gnome-shell looks awesome [00:25] i've used it [00:25] Ian_Corne: gnome-shell will most likely be optional. [00:26] im sure itll be there as an option [00:26] Ian_Corne: You can use it now! :) [00:26] I know [00:26] KenBW2: Just like it is now. [00:26] lukehasnoname: well, I mean the icons in the drop-down menus, like copy/paste/... I think many were added back, but I still got annoyed enough at the gnome developers to drop gnome [00:26] but it's not finished now [00:26] AtomicSpark: It better be an option. It's pretty much a completely new UI/environment. [00:26] Amaranth: what Ian_Corne said [00:27] * yofel thinks he'll try gnome again once gnome3 comes out [00:27] right now KDE4 is great [00:27] yofel: GNOME 3 is even more locked down [00:27] lukehasnoname: gnome-panel --replace is your friend! [00:27] Hello, I have no wireless at all in Lucid Lynx with my Dell Inspiron 1545 (laptop) -- is there any documentation about this, or is this something I should report? [00:28] Amaranth: well, I don't mind as long it "feels right", right now I just can't get myself to like it [00:28] yofel: Well, by GNOME 3.4 or so it should be good [00:29] yofel: i noticed it has changed since karmic. it's still evolving. [00:29] Amaranth: heh, np, KDE was unusable until 4.3 too :D [00:29] gafir: what wireless card do you have? does network manager list any networks? [00:29] I don't know why but i dispise KDE [00:30] yofel: i'm connected with a cable (eth0) and that's the only network connection listed [00:31] no wireless, i'm not sure about the name of the wireless card, let me check -- It's the internal laptop wireless card type [00:31] gafir: ok... so we're back at the network card (run lspci in a terminal to list the hardware components) [00:32] did you try pressing the wireless button? [00:32] Where would I report a but in the gnome notification panel [00:32] thanks, there you go: 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) [00:32] *notification aplpet of the panel [00:32] Ian_corne: yes I did try the button [00:32] ok :) [00:32] *bug, *applet [00:32] just checking :p [00:32] does iwlist scan do anything? [00:32] lukehasnoname: 'ubuntu-bug indicator-applet' I think [00:33] gafir: did you install the driver from hardware drivers? [00:33] yofel: Ha! [00:33] yofel: that's why, I don't think it's active, I have two listed in there [00:33] * yofel is getting annoyed at broadcom cards.... [00:34] yofel: I thought that would have been automatic, isn't it automatic usually? [00:34] yofel:I have Broadcom B43 and Broadcom STA -- not sure [00:34] * lukehasnoname is skeptical about ^(atheros/intel/ralink) wifi cards [00:34] i'll try B43 [00:34] gafir: no, since karmic the driver for some cards need to be installed by hand, some license issue I think [00:34] yofel: oh ok [00:34] yofel: indicator-applet isn't gnome's notification area. [00:35] lukehasnoname: the intel card in my notebook works fine, the ralink card in my netbook works... err... mostyl fine [00:35] lukehasnoname: what is your bug? [00:35] lukehasnoname: what other cards are there? :p [00:35] Hey, is there anyone here who has run (or knows about) moblin-session on Lucid? [00:36] AtomicSpark: then I think I lost track of what 'notification' is supposed to be... [00:36] notice all wifi cards NOT those [00:36] yofel: I didn't know that, thanks for the information. It's currently downloading and installing, and .... the network manager panel icon tells me the device is not ready, mmm, I might have to try the other driver [00:36] yofel: I'll try a reboot first, thanks for everything in any case! [00:36] i don't know, haven't seen many other cards [00:36] gafir: I'm not sure, in synaptic the package name would be bcmwl-kernel-source [00:36] Ian_Corne: broadcom, dell stuff [00:36] gafir: but I don't know how jockey calls it [00:36] hehe [00:37] we'll see I'm noting the package name, thanks [00:37] i'll be back if it works! [00:37] yofel: on lucid, it's split up into three parts. starting from the "bar" you have | gnome notification area | indicator-applet | clock applet | indicator-applet-session| [00:37] yofel: i dont know the package names for the gnome stuff. might just be gnome-panel. [00:38] If you unlock the applets and move them, you can see how they're grouped. [00:38] well, thx anyway [00:38] yofel: Most of the icons removed from system menu, and some of places :( since upstream GNOME, however those can be put back on in gconf-editior, What I find more annoying is how their edited fast user account switcher now the me menu as well in 10.04 as well, how when that's enabled shut down and log out aren't in the system menu anymore. [00:38] yofel: their as in Ubuntu, however that should of been obvious [00:38] yep, that too [00:39] yofel: 8.10 is :) [00:39] sebsebseb: agree to disagree [00:39] heh [00:39] except for how for example the ethernet woudn't just work on the other computer in 8.10. still a pretty great release over all, that will also run out of support when or around the time 10.04 comes out. [00:40] my issue with karmic was the ati driver had horrible playback issues and network manager didn't save hidden networks properly. [00:40] thats pretty much it though. :P [00:40] ATI makes me :( [00:40] yofel: as for KDE I have read quite a lot of stuff on the web, where people are saying basically that they don't do KDE properly in Kubuntu, because of how they don't get support from Canonical, or something like that. Plus KDE 4 is the kind of thing that many people are going to want to run the latest stable version when it's available, Kubuntu won't just get it. [00:41] h00k: happens. cards are great, drivers are questionable. although i have never had issues with windows drivers [00:41] yofel: above I meant how Canonical focus on GNOME and basically ignore KDE for example. [00:41] sebsebseb: the kubuntu team does release the kde point releases when they are available (by ppa if necessary) [00:42] sebsebseb: ubuntu is their baby. nothing wrong with that. a lot of distros pick a DE and stick with it. [00:42] yofel: yes ppa, but not from the actsual offical repo's when it's available [00:42] sebsebseb: and they're trying to get back to as much of a vanilla KDE as possible [00:42] yofel: the whole having to rely on ppa's for later stuff or wait untill the next release, or install yourself in another way, for major things, is a joke really when it comes to Ubuntu, Major stuff, Firefox, Open Office, newer versions of KDE, etc. [00:43] sebsebseb: KDE 4.3.5 is available in karmic-backports, but it took them a while to get it there [00:43] yofel: oh [00:43] sebsebseb: that's how time based releases work. :( [00:43] yofel: well 4.4 is the latest stable version === Aranel_ is now known as Aranel [00:44] hey. Are the max/min/close buttons on the application bar on the left purposely or a bug? [00:44] AtomicSpark: well most of Ubuntu users come from Windows, and most of them will have the latest Firefox or whatever it is at the time in Windows no problem, but then they can't just have it in Ubuntu, that's a joke really. [00:44] sebsebseb: you're free to install it yourself, which is exactly what would happen on windows. [00:44] AtomicSpark: instaling a ppa is, not just having it, just having it, is getting it from the repo as an update. [00:44] sebsebseb: also !lnw, etc. [00:45] AtomicSpark: no in the case of Firefox, they would have it already installed, and Mozilla would offer the update for the later Friefox [00:45] Starcraftmazter: that's on purpose. cute huh? :P [00:45] AtomicSpark: in the case of Firefox on Windows, above [00:45] AtomicSpark: christ, tell me there's a way to choose >< [00:45] sebsebseb: I think 4.3 -> 4.4 is a bit more of a challange than 4.3.4 -> 4.3.5, especially since nepomuk seems to be tricky [00:45] AtomicSpark: Ubuntu tries to keep things compatible and stable through a release, only updating bugs and security holes after release. If you want the distro to give the latest software to you through official repos, get gentoo or arch. [00:45] Starcraftmazter: Do you want it on the right? [00:46] lukehasnoname: wrong person. [00:46] yes [00:46] yofel: What's nepomuk, I don't like KDE 4 much, so don't tend to use it. === dylanmccall is now known as dylan-m [00:46] sebsebseb: read what I said to AtomicSpark [00:46] heh [00:46] lukehasnoname: whatever to that, most of Ubuntu's users want it [00:46] sebsebseb: the backend for the KDE desktop search or 'semantic desktop' how they call it I think [00:46] Starcraftmazter: you can change them in gconf, yeah. [00:46] lukehasnoname: they come from Windows, where they are used to being able to just install the laatest Firefox, Open Office, etc [00:46] Also, try to keep this channel's discussion towards Lucid support and development. [00:46] h00k: where/how? [00:47] Starcraftmazter, you can use: gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string ":maximize,minimize,close" [00:47] AtomicSpark: yes a little off topic, however it's true what I am typing [00:47] thanks ZykoticK9, gonna write that one down [00:47] ;) [00:47] Starcraftmazter: You'll probably need to do that every time there is an update to light-themes [00:48] bawww [00:48] I am liking them on the left [00:48] Notice that the min/max buttons are also swapped. [00:48] call me odd, whatever. [00:48] h00k: You are odd! [00:48] AtomicSpark: the command that people have been giving out, will that put them on the right and in the correct order, what was before? [00:48] AtomicSpark: :D [00:49] sebsebseb: No. From my experince, if you change their order, it'll move them back. [00:49] h00k: the buttons on the left are growing on me, too. Really quick to just push the pointer to the top right of a window and move it [00:49] sebsebseb: the way the graphics are set, they will appear with in a different order. [00:49] Also, it makes the theme ugly since the background is tied to the button. [00:49] dylan-m: yeah. [00:49] just the order they're in, really, that causes me pain [00:49] h00k: fine! i'll try it! [00:49] AtomicSpark: you don't have to! I won't make you. [00:49] h00k: uh? well in Ubuntu I would want them on the right and in this order, minimize, maximize, and close [00:50] sebsebseb: well, you can change that, then [00:50] sebsebseb: with the current theme, it might appear broken. [00:50] h00k: yes which is the command that people have been giving out here? [00:50] sebsebseb: They come from windows, where they are used to fetching their own app .exes and updating themselves. Ubuntu does the work for them. If they still want to get the latest, they can do it the old fashioned way. you can't have feature stability and constant updates in the same distro. [00:50] sebsebseb, gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string ":minimize,maximize,close" [00:50] h00k: and Ubuntu won't use either of the new themes when I am setting it up, both themes suck [00:50] ZykoticK9: yep that one, just checking that it does what I wanted, since I haven't done it [00:51] sebsebseb, i altered it to your order there [00:51] ZykoticK9: oh I see [00:51] ZykoticK9: by the way I know I can enter gconf-editor manually and enable the icions for system menu and what's missing in places, however I guess there's a command for that as well [00:51] ZykoticK9: manualley I meant graphically [00:52] any idea what that would be? [00:53] sebsebseb, the gconftool-2 is just an alternate way of using gconf-edit - both accomplish the same thing -- you can see the path you'd use in gconf-editor in the /apps/metacity... part of the link i sent [00:53] ZykoticK9: link? command you mean for the terminal? [00:53] sebsebseb, sorry yes - command not link [00:53] sebsebseb: both are commands, yes. be careful. you can break your system messing with that. [00:54] AtomicSpark: probably nothing that bad can happen by doing things with gconf editor, however I would useually leave stuff on the default [00:54] Getting back on topic, I've been testing Lucid for a few weeks now and I'm glad to see we're getting pretty stable. [00:55] Only get a few crashes a day. ;3 [00:55] I have been quite surprised with it [00:55] AtomicSpark: the stuff just now was on topic :D [00:55] even with Gwibber! [00:55] I've had it open twice without dying [00:55] gwibber finally loads without crashing 99% of the time. :P [00:56] I should check to see if the Netbook Edition interface has a bug open for the old-style logo in the top left corner. [00:56] AtomicSpark: it does?! are you using a PPA version? [00:56] it's ashame that I haven't got the new boot up screen in vm's :( the blue bar though yeah. altough last time I loaded up a vm, it loaded up pretty quick [00:56] Sarvatt: I'm using Lucid, same thing? [00:56] it's annoying how the thing I want to test the most, I don't just see/get. [00:56] I get the bluebar on my nvidia laptop, new logo on my intel netbook [00:57] weird. i sometimes see the blue bar on my VM [00:57] h00k: that seems odd, why some computers would get the new, and others woud get the old. or vm's. [00:57] they haven't done Plymouth properly I guess themewise and so on [00:57] sebsebseb, i'm only getting the blue bar in both my VMs and physical install - don't even know what the boot screen looks like (other then the Brand screenshots) [00:57] I know why. [00:57] sebsebseb: because plymouth and nvidia [00:57] sebsebseb: I think plymouth requires KMS, doesn't it? [00:57] h00k: is your laptop upgraded [00:57] h00k: if you really want Plymouth you can always install the Nouveau driver for NVidia. (You probably have the proprietary one, which of course does fancier 3D) [00:57] or fresh install? [00:57] I believe nvidia users are having a problem with plymouth. [00:57] Ian_Corne: a fresh install. [00:57] holstein: Plymouth and Nivida? well the graphics card in this computer is Nivida [00:57] weird [00:57] it should work then [00:58] yofel: KMS sounds familur, but what's that? [00:58] sebsebseb: 'kernel mode setting' [00:58] dylan-m: yeah, I would like 'fancier' 3d for my docky :( I did try nouveau, however, and it worked [00:58] it uses nouveau during boot [00:58] yofel: oh right uhmm well my vm's have been done in Virtualbox [00:58] dylan-m: Lucid users are encouraged not to use the nvidia proprietary driver until they know it's safe. [00:58] dylan-m: due to the reports of hardware getting damaged. [00:58] and then switches to nvidia priopetary drive when X is launched [00:58] Ian_Corne: propritary driver? well I don't have that installed in vm [00:59] AtomicSpark: Good, good. Besides that, the extra attention to Nouveau will be awesome! :) [00:59] sebsebseb: i don't know about the VM :p [00:59] AtomicSpark: I forgot about that, I should check. [00:59] what's Nouveau open source Nivida driver? [00:59] I have no idea! [00:59] Let me sort through my email. :( [00:59] sebsebseb, replaces nv (yes to open source) [00:59] sebsebseb: Yup! Apparently it does 2D better than NVidia's one :) [01:00] I read something about that [01:00] wait...jockey-gtk says both drivers are activated and neither are in use. [01:00] open source Nivida driver [01:00] dylan-m: it does, and nv has NO 3d support, nouveau at least a bit [01:00] Found it [01:00] Here's the warning for nvidia users https://lists.launchpad.net/xorg-prop-drivers-testers/msg00108.html [01:00] h00k, my system says the same thing - it's a lie [01:01] ZykoticK9: I don't know what it's using :D [01:01] you can get a splash with the nvidia blob or in a vm if you use uvesafb, have to unblacklist it though and you wont have the splash up for more than a second or two because there is no ddx patch to leave the graphic on the screen after X loads so theres not much point [01:01] Also from the mailing lists, seems like nvidia users *are* seeing the blue strip instead with plymoth. [01:01] I suspect it to be a driver issue. [01:02] h00k, i'm sure "lspci -vnvn" will show you it's nvidia [01:03] d'aw Kernel driver in use: nvidia [01:03] Sarvatt: What's that? [01:03] AtomicSpark: the proprietary nvidia blob doesn't do KMS because NVidia hates America ;) [01:03] dylan-m: wfm [01:03] hence the blue bar [01:04] I'm gonna be switching to nouveau in a second. be back. [01:04] h00k: good luck! [01:04] i'mma dl and create vm of kubuntu [01:05] ugh. why did they go and name all of the isos the same. [01:06] AtomicSpark: I don't think all are, only k/ubuntu are the same -.- [01:06] thats.. annoying. [01:06] yep [01:06] AtomicSpark, someone in the channel said that all ubuntu+1 versions are like that, with the same name, regardless of ubuntu/kubuntu/etc [01:06] * AtomicSpark saves it as klucid [01:08] its intended, only really works with a KMS driver such as nouveau intel or radeon. everyone else just gets a 16 color vga16fb that'll eventually be a little prettier than the blue bar at least but not yet. you can manually remove the blacklist of uvesafb from /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.conf and rebuild the initramfs tough to get a prettier splash. the splash is pretty much guaranteed to be useless for kubuntu though since the nice ply [01:08] mouth to X transition stuff only works for gdm [01:08] or not lol. oh well. i'll get new isos next time anyways. [01:08] Well when I booted up and noticed my TTYs were 1920x1200 i was like :3 [01:09] hrm I am likeing the black theme in my vm a bit more this time, however yeah icons on left by default is :( [01:11] hey, how do we get to the grub boot menu nowadays? [01:12] I think it's running with the default settings... [01:12] hold shift while booting [01:12] ahh [01:12] :) [01:12] Thanks, Sarvatt [01:12] AtomicSpark: all is good. [01:12] AtomicSpark: phew. [01:12] h00k: twss [01:12] teehee [01:15] Anyone else having issues with clutter and apps that use clutter in lucid? For me it seems like anything that uses clutter (gnome-shell, gnibbles, gnometris) started getting very very very slow within the past 5 days or so....but worked perfectly before that [01:15] compiz an other GL stuff work fine [01:15] throughnothing: it's all been working pretty well for me on a netbook with Intel graphics [01:16] dylan-m, even recently? [01:16] throughnothing: except Swell Foop. That one is weirdly slow [01:16] my laptop (macbook) has intel graphics as well [01:16] throughnothing: Yep. [01:16] if you have gnome-games installed and are up to date, can you try running gnibbles and see if its fine for you? [01:17] Sure! I'll install the latest updates, then try it [01:17] I talked to one other person who had the same issues with gnometris and gnibbles, but im not sure what video card he had [01:17] clutter stuff has been horribly slow for over a month for me on intel, i think you're lucky :) [01:17] just wanna see if more people are having the issue...i dont think its my graphics card because compiz and other GL accelerated stuff work fine [01:17] it seems to be *only* clutter stuff [01:17] oh, I've been running with Metacity + compositing for a while instead of Compiz, so that _may_ be making a difference [01:18] infecto: if you have the pulseaudio package installed, the pulse option should be top-most (primary/preferred) in KDE System Settings> Multimedia [01:18] dylan-m, hmmmm how do i run metacity compositing rather than compiz? I'm not a huge fan of compiz [01:19] check the compositing box in gconf-editor under apps/metacity/general i think it is [01:19] indeed :) [01:19] Sarvatt, is compiz the default for lucid if your hardware supports it? [01:19] then disable Compiz under Appearance Preferences [01:19] mutter is whats been super slow for me, its metacity with a clutter based opengl compositing backend [01:19] Sarvatt, exactly the same for me [01:19] mutter is what I want to use [01:20] and i was using it, but for the past week (maybe more I guess), it has been unusable [01:20] what is the default for lucid going to be...metacity or compiz? [01:20] throughnothing: yes [01:20] compiz if your hardware supports it yeah [01:20] throughnothing: compiz [01:20] mutter for UNE [01:20] Sarvatt, dylan-m, wow, I like this metacity compositing waaay better already, the alt+tab is so much better, thats the biggest thing i hate about compiz [01:21] metacity compositing is buggy, but it works for those that dont support or hate compiz for some reason. [01:21] but the gnome-shell switcher is still even better [01:21] try your clutter based games out under metacity instead of compiz, might be alot better [01:21] throughnothing: Indeed. Compiz's alt-tabbing is what keeps pushing me away, too. [01:22] yeah, workspace switching with metacity isnt as nice [01:22] gnome-shell is my favorite by far, its just horridly slow now due to clutter, and thus mutter, being unusable in lucid now [01:22] at least on my hardware [01:23] Okay, gnibbles with sound and speed set to finger-twitching good... going quite smoothly [01:23] try with the xorg-edgers PPA once the 2.6.32-16 kernel is in the archives if you're on intel, that should be alot better [01:23] Sarvatt, that to me? what do you mean? [01:23] there's the odd quick stutter (maybe related to the ring thingies), but I haven't been able to link that to anything and it's very rare [01:24] dylan-m, and you have an intel card? that's really strange [01:24] To rub it in, on a weak little netbook! :P [01:25] haha, lame sauce [01:25] though after a few minutes... the metacity alt+tab switcher is slow....it has a long delay before popping up, it just seems sluggish [01:26] I hope it starts working for you. The Clutter stuff has made a world of difference for gnome-games ! [01:26] i know, an mutter was like my saviour [01:26] haha [01:26] mutter + gnome-shell === Volkodav_ is now known as Volkodav [01:26] (I just wish I knew why the Network Game option in all of them is greyed out) [01:26] hrm and now I like the grey theme a bit more, after trying again in vm [01:26] sebsebseb: it's weird that way. It slowly grows on you [01:27] soon, _it_ will be calling the shots [01:27] dylan-m: soon it will be calling the shots? [01:28] Hey guys, I was trying to install kubuntu lucid lynx on my 64bit intel centrino 2, however after I selected install or to test without installing, my screen went black. I was using the alpha 3 kubuntu 64bit install. I have an intel P7450 [01:28] Sarvatt, I wish i knew how to debug this and try to figure out whats making it slow...since we know our hardware can handle it, it has to be a software problem....everything worked blazingly fast for me a week or so ago [01:28] dylan-m: When certain apps are open the black theme looks a bit odd, but other then that it's alright. Same for the grey. [01:28] * Sarvatt wishes gnome-sudoku had all the game types as ksudoku [01:29] sebsebseb: yep, it's slowly taking control of our minds [01:29] I've got an odd problem -- in Compiz settings I have set refresh rate to 50 and v-sync on, -> gksudo nvidia-settings refresh rate is 50hz, i can verify 50hz from lower, then I open up XBMC and playback a video and it has tearing. Now going in XBMC system info, it shows im actually hovering at 60HZ and not on my monitors native 50hz [01:29] and the odd part is [01:29] Another thing, in the firefox address bar, when it comes up with the suggestions, the background is dark grey/brown and the text colour is dark blue, which looks terrible [01:29] when I set compiz on (full effects), it's the correct 50hz [01:29] but when I shutdown compiz and enable metacity for higher fps while playing (scaling takes a toll on the machine), while compiz is disabled the hz jumps back to 60 [01:29] ignoring what I have set in nvidia-settings [01:30]