[02:08] <persia> kwwii: Is there a procedure to request certain letters get finished sooner for the font?  The UbuntuStudio login screen still uses the old font.
[02:35] <troy_s> persia: I'd suspect that Maag will release a full set.
[02:35] <troy_s> persia: It would depend on the brief, but I doubt that they are waiting with baited breath from Canonical. ;)
[02:40] <persia> troy_s: From the announcement I've seen, a set good Europe and surrounding environs is planned.  I just wanted to try to get a couple letters in the next few days :)
[02:42] <troy_s> persia: Use prokyon
[02:42] <persia> Go tell ScottL :)
[02:43]  * persia isn't actually doing the stuff, but just trying to get procedure to provide appropriate direction
[08:52] <thorwil> kwwii: morning! Iain is a fan of green and sepia?
[09:42] <kwwii> thorwil: hehe, oh yeah!
[14:01] <vish> #C6B9A6 , looks really nice color on ambience :)
[14:44] <kwwii> dashua: working on merging your changes
[16:00] <kwwii> dashua: let me know when you'll be around to discuss your changes ;)
[16:00] <knome> kwwii, hey kwwii
[16:00] <knome> hmm.
[16:00] <kwwii> hi
[16:01] <knome> kwwii, iain told me to contact you when i need a new favicon for xubuntu. ;]
[16:01] <kwwii> lol, nice
[16:02] <knome> i still actually haven't got the uds jaunty highres group photo.
[16:02] <knome> :P
[16:02]  * knome hides
[16:02] <kwwii> lol
[16:03] <kwwii> and I'm oging crazy trying to get things in for the deadline tonight
[16:03] <knome> heh, no hurry with my thing.
[16:03] <kwwii> knome: I honestly don't know what state the xubuntu identity is currently
[16:03] <knome> i'll have plenty of time to bug on later this week ^____^
[16:03] <kwwii> knome: we'd have to discuss it a but further
[16:04] <knome> kwwii, i'm working with the new website layout, we're in the midst of logo change
[16:04] <kwwii> knome: ok, if we can pin that down we can take care of it
[16:04] <knome> kwwii, we're trying to integrate something in the style of the new branding into xubuntu as well, but trying to have both the mouse and the COF is hard, especially in small sizes
[16:05] <knome> kwwii, just ping me anytime on Wed-Fri when you have time to discuss. i'm probably available.
[16:06] <kwwii> knome: cool, will do
[16:06] <Daviey> knome: I wonder if you could put the rat inside the logo, as if it was a hamster wheel?
[16:06] <knome> Daviey, hrr, it's a MOUSE :)
[16:06] <Daviey> nah, RAT :-)
[16:07] <knome> Daviey, well, we have that kind of already. but it's too complex.
[16:07] <kwwii> I always thought it was a rat
[16:07] <kwwii> a friendly looking rat
[16:07] <kwwii> :p
[16:07] <knome> Daviey, kwwii: we have a few ideas/drafts, but we are not that sure they'd work.
[16:08] <knome> and they haven't got that good response from our dev community either
[16:09] <islington> what about just the mouse face in the xubuntu colors?
[16:10] <knome> somebody would have to come up with a mouse face that 1) gets the dev community approval 2) works in small sizes
[16:11] <kwwii> knome: well, developerss are usually better at developing than design; and designers are better at design than development
[16:11] <kwwii> funny how that works
[16:11] <knome> heh
[16:11] <knome> funny
[16:11] <knome> but i'm pretty bad in imitating anything real
[16:11] <knome> i'm pretty good with abstract things, i thnk
[16:31] <islington> knome: k did the svg just cleaning in gimp now
[16:33] <knome> islington, okay.
[16:39] <islington> my attempt: http://i.imgur.com/5TIhH.png
[16:43] <islington> that eye might be too blurry though
[16:45] <knome> hmm
[16:45] <knome> the mouth(?) is weird
[16:48] <islington> those are whiskers, I think: http://imgur.com/XXgl1.png
[16:48] <knome> whiskey?
[16:48] <knome> ;)
[16:50] <islington> lol
[16:50] <islington> hold on splitting them up
[16:52]  * vish remembers knome isnt that good at remembering stuff either ;)  [Xubuntu Karmic wallpaper source still not available.. ]
[16:52] <knome> vish, it isn't? wow.
[16:52] <knome> vish, what's your email?
[16:52] <vish> oh , not in the bus again ? ;p
[16:53] <knome> not this time.
[16:53] <knome> drinking latte.
[16:53] <knome> (home)
[16:53] <vish> knome: email >pm
[16:53] <knome> okay
[17:00] <islington> http://i.imgur.com/kjheX.png
[17:05] <knome> can you paste the svg somewhere? i'll add that to our alternatives list
[17:05] <vish> 5
[17:05] <vish> 4
[17:06] <vish> 3
[17:06] <vish> 2
[17:06] <knome> vish, yup
[17:06] <vish> 1
[17:06] <knome> working on it
[17:06] <knome> ;)
[17:06] <vish> yay ;]
[17:06] <vish> damn didnt get to complete my countdown timer :(
[17:06] <islington> knome:  the svg is really bad, at 16, but as you wish where can I up it?
[17:07] <knome> islington, you can send it to open@knome.fi
[17:07] <islington> k
[17:07] <knome> islington, you can also include the png :)
[17:08] <knome> vish, sent
[17:08] <vish> knome: ty :)
[17:08] <knome> for the rest of you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Karmic (click the wallpaper image)
[17:10] <islington> knome: embedded png in svg
[17:10] <islington> sent
[17:10] <knome> islington, thanks!
[17:12] <islington> snap test time bbl
[17:23] <thorwil> knome: you should really forget about having both mouse and the CoF
[17:24] <knome> thorwil, i'm not *exhaustively* try to incorporate them both
[17:32] <dashua> kwwii, ping
[18:38] <kwwii> dashua: I'm in the middle of cooking dinner, will you be online later?
[18:39] <kwwii> dashua: otherwise I'll send an email ;)
[19:48] <kwwii> dashua: check out lp:~kwwii/+junk/light-themes-refresh
[19:49] <kwwii> dashua: that is your update, updated by me ;)
[19:57] <dashua> Ok cool.
[19:57] <dashua> Did you add those last focus_color changes?
[19:57] <dashua> I think you will like them.
[19:59] <zniavre> dashua,  can i ask what is this option for ?   :o)
[19:59] <zniavre> im sure i will like it too
[20:00] <dashua> GTK apps hide the line under F E V etc. until you hit ALT
[20:00] <dashua> kwwii, Nice man
[20:02] <zniavre> hmmm what is FEV ?please
[20:02] <dashua> File Edit View
[20:02] <zniavre> ok
[20:02] <dashua> There is a line underneath by default
[20:02] <dashua> This patch hides it until you hit ALT
[20:04] <dashua> kwwii, Nice. You kept the scrollbars :)
[20:05] <kwwii> dashua: yes, but I changed things a little bit
[20:05] <dashua> I like it
[20:05] <vish> iainfarrell: hi.. what does "gloam" stand for?
[20:05] <vish> the tag for the bug..
[20:05] <kwwii> iainfarrell: hey, you wanted something?
[20:06] <iainfarrell> hey vish and kwwii
[20:06] <dashua> kwwii, I would grab those focus_color changes.  I think that is what you were looking for.
[20:06] <iainfarrell> gloam is a word :)
[20:06] <kwwii> dashua: I worked on the buttons a bit too, but I'm not sure if I like them
[20:06] <dashua> Looks great :)
[20:06] <iainfarrell> and kwwii was looking for you earlier but not urgent
[20:06] <iainfarrell> how you doing?
[20:06] <vish> iainfarrell: like twilight? ok.. wondering that it meant for a bug ;)
[20:06] <kwwii> dashua: I'm hoping to use the theme (in that link) as-is ;)
[20:06] <kwwii> iainfarrell: doing well, about to push a theme update
[20:07] <iainfarrell> ohh another .deb?
[20:07] <kwwii> iainfarrell: nope, since I got no response I am just going to put it in lucid
[20:07] <kwwii> :)
[20:07] <dashua> kwwii, Do you want consistent theme focus on all buttons, tabs, scale, etc.?
[20:07] <iainfarrell> I see
[20:07] <dashua> The orange focus?
[20:07] <iainfarrell> one question I had was around Thunderbird
[20:07] <iainfarrell> and the scrolling lozenge
[20:07] <iainfarrell> also noticed something today when installing the .deb you sent over
[20:08] <iainfarrell> massive orange sausage on the bottom :)
[20:08] <iainfarrell> anything we can do about that?
[20:08] <iainfarrell> seems a bit out of place
[20:08]  * thorwil just froze inkscape on ungrouping 2304 objects
[20:08] <dashua> iainfarrell, Can you post a screenshot please?
[20:08] <kwwii> iainfarrell: ouch, haven't tested it with tb yet
[20:09] <iainfarrell> kwwii: it's the same bug as we talked about the other week
[20:09] <iainfarrell> and dashua not easily is the answer :)
[20:09] <iainfarrell> let me try
[20:09] <vish> the scroolbar pixmap could be a bit thinner.. seems too heavy on the windows ;)
[20:09] <vish> scroll*
[20:09] <kwwii> vish: the current code is not using the pixmaps anymore
[20:10] <vish> ah , ok
[20:11] <iainfarrell> kwwii: will send a screenshot
[20:11] <iainfarrell> I need to run
[20:11] <iainfarrell> need to get through mail
[20:11] <kwwii> iainfarrell: cool, have fun
[20:12] <dashua> Probably the progressbar.
[20:14] <dashua> iainfarrell, See ya :)
[20:16] <dashua> kwwii, Can you test those last revisons for focus_color and see if that is ok?
[20:17] <kwwii> dashua: you mean from your branch?
[20:17] <dashua> Yes
[20:17] <kwwii> dashua: so this is a change which is not in the stuff I put in my branch?
[20:17] <dashua> And if you want the gtk-auto-mnemonics = 1?
[20:17] <kwwii> yes, I added that to my stuff as well
[20:18] <dashua> You just changed the GtkRange::trough-under-steppers = 0?
[20:18] <kwwii> dashua: yes, as well
[20:18] <kwwii> I played with a lot of other small changes but wasn't happy with them
[20:18] <kwwii> dashua: so you mean the keyboard focus?
[20:18] <dashua> Yeah
[20:18] <dashua> Looks better with all orange
[20:19] <kwwii> I think the design calls for all focus to be orange ;)
[20:19] <islington> so I am working on porting the token icons into an icon theme. I am reminded of the definition for tedious
[20:19] <dashua> On the tabs, comoboxentry
[20:19] <dashua> Ok good
[20:19] <dashua> The changes are pushed in my branch then. :)
[20:19] <dashua> Rev. 46 was the last
[20:19] <kwwii> ok, I'll get a fresh copy
[20:20] <dashua> No other major changes from yours other than the GtkRange::trough-under-steppers = 0 and I add prelight_shade to murrine options.
[20:20] <kwwii> ok, cool
[20:21] <dashua> The added focus_color really looks great.
[20:23] <kwwii> building it now
[20:28] <kwwii> dashua: I like it, but I think it needs to be more solidly orange
[20:28] <kwwii> at least now it matches the others
[20:29] <dashua> Ok, It's the same color as scale, progressbar, radiochecks.
[20:30] <kwwii> yeah but the engine makes the inside much lighter, or?
[20:31] <kwwii> but I do like it all consistent at least ;)
[20:31] <dashua> Yeah, not sure if I can control that.
[20:32] <kwwii> right
[20:32] <kwwii> this is an improvement in any case
[20:32] <dashua> Yep, I think so. :)
[20:33] <kwwii> ok, I think I will get this version uploaded
[20:33] <dashua> Should be solid now. I spent all weekend bug fixing /tweaking.
[20:33] <kwwii> no doubt...you did some amazing work
[20:33] <dashua> Nice
[20:33] <dashua> Thx.
[20:33] <kwwii> seb asked me first thing this morning about it and who you are ;)
[20:34] <kwwii> we'll make you famous yet ;P
[20:34] <dashua> w00t
[20:35] <islington> screenshot?
[20:39] <kwwii> islington: lp:~kwwii/+junk/light-themes-refresh is the current almost uploaded changes (99.9% from dashua)
[20:40] <islington> not running gnome :( kw
[20:42] <kwwii> ;)
[20:58] <zniavre> ho understand what is focus_color thank you
[21:00] <zniavre> it works with scales it's nice to don't hav focus color around
[21:01] <zniavre> but not with radio/check buttons
[21:01] <zniavre> :o)
[22:40] <kwwii> zniavre: focus_color sets the keyboard focus color for many widgets
[22:41] <zniavre> yes i tried it and use it now for some widget
[22:44] <dashua> kwwii, I was just checking out your branch and it did not pull in all the focus changes.  Prelight_shades were not added also.
[22:45] <dashua> Have border_shades for comboboxentry will keep the focus there grey.
[22:45] <kwwii> dashua: argh, can you send a diff?
[22:45] <kwwii> ahh, right
[22:46] <kwwii> I'll look into it tomorrow
[22:46] <dashua> I guess you could my branch if those were the only changes.
[22:46] <kwwii> or maybe later
[22:46] <kwwii> yeah
[22:46] <dashua> I'll add the understeppers to mine if that is the only change
[22:46] <dashua> Keep it in sync
[22:46] <dashua> 0
[22:47] <kwwii> ;)
[22:47] <dashua> I added them.  Anything different just let me know?
[22:48] <kwwii> I'll probably have to make the buttons darker again
[22:48] <kwwii> and strengthen the lines around it
[22:48] <kwwii> s/it/them
[22:49] <dashua> Ok np
[23:10] <kwwii> dashua: btw, thanks for the excellent help