| * RAOF wins the “don't dispose the pixbuf immediately *before* using it” award. | 00:25 | |
| TheMuso | heh | 00:37 |
|---|---|---|
| RAOF | Would you believe that the image doesn't get displayed if you dispose it just before queuing the draw? :) | 00:38 |
| TheMuso | heh | 00:45 |
| Sarvatt | woohoo, the magic env variable to make mutter not slow things to a crawl - CLUTTER_VBLANK=none | 02:13 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: Isn't our OpenGL infrastructure totally awesome? :) | 02:15 |
| lifeless | RAOF: 1! | 02:25 |
| RAOF | lifeless: !! | 02:26 |
| RAOF | I suppose that it'd be polite to suggest to users that they save their changes if they quit f-spot's view mode with unsaved changes... | 02:29 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:33 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:45 |
| === pts is now known as pths | ||
| pitti | debfx: brightness_in_hardware> I don't know; it's just hardcoded like that in the hal source (not in hal-info) | 07:47 |
| pitti | RAOF: how is f-spot coming along? making you weep? | 07:48 |
| RAOF | pitti: It's not so bad. | 07:48 |
| RAOF | It'd be easier if they had some sort of policy as to who has responsibility for Dispose()ing pixmaps, but it's mostly done. | 07:50 |
| pitti | ah, that's the memleak you mentioned? | 07:50 |
| pitti | RAOF: nice! out of interest, did you have to rewrite half the browser code, or were the building blocks mostly there and just need to be re-plumbed? | 07:51 |
| RAOF | The building blocks were mostly there. | 07:51 |
| RAOF | Really its been a matter of ensuring that everything's updated when it needs to be. | 07:52 |
| RAOF | And fixing miscelaneous bugs where things have been disposed when they shouldn't be :) | 07:52 |
| RAOF | And with that, I'm off for a brisk walk. I'll be back later to polish f-spot a little more. | 07:53 |
| pitti | RAOF: good luck, and good night! | 08:03 |
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| pitti | didrocks, Keybuk: hmm, strange; current netbook daily has the new ubiquity which is supposed to copy the background image cache, but this still doesn't seem to work on http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/20100308-max-netbook.png | 08:14 |
| didrocks | pitti: Keybuk: that's strange, can you put some traces to ensure you have a bg cache after install, before reboot? | 08:15 |
| didrocks | pitti: I didn't tried the last version merged yet, I can try with latest daily | 08:16 |
| pitti | didrocks: I'll download and install the current daily in installer-only mode, and check | 08:16 |
| didrocks | I'm doing the same :) | 08:17 |
| pitti | didrocks: this thing is like a vampire, so hard to kill :( | 08:24 |
| didrocks | pitti: right. It seems like a ghost to me. Always hunting me :( | 08:27 |
| didrocks | pitti: hold on, there is no gnome-update-wallpaper-cache on the system | 08:30 |
| pitti | hah | 08:31 |
| didrocks | and g-s-d doesn't provide it anymore | 08:31 |
| pitti | where was it destined to be? g-s-d? casper? ubiquity? | 08:31 |
| didrocks | g-s-d finally | 08:31 |
| didrocks | I'm rebuilding the package, it seems to have debian/rules and debian/*.c needed bits | 08:32 |
| pitti | ok, great; please upload that one then, and we'll check tomorrow's daily | 08:32 |
| pitti | (no need to waste time on a manual test now) | 08:33 |
| didrocks | right :) | 08:33 |
| seb128 | good morning there | 08:40 |
| didrocks | hey seb128, did you have a good week-end? | 08:42 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 08:46 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks pitti | 08:48 |
| seb128 | quite good yes | 08:48 |
| seb128 | you? | 08:48 |
| pitti | I had a great one; helped my grandparents with their moving, got some new furniture through that :) and did some walking and fresh air | 08:49 |
| didrocks | really good needed week-end: feel rested :) | 08:49 |
| seb128 | nice! | 08:50 |
| seb128 | ok, today will be busy again | 08:51 |
| seb128 | new GNOME | 08:51 |
| seb128 | some thousand weekend emails | 08:51 |
| seb128 | let's see how much people have been complaining about bugs in the new artwork too | 08:51 |
| Hew | seb128, could you please renew my membership in desktop-bugs? | 08:55 |
| pitti | seb128: do you happen to know why evolution builds libgdata1.2 and we have a separate libgdata source? | 09:22 |
| seb128 | no | 09:22 |
| pitti | ok, thanks | 09:23 |
| seb128 | they still do? | 09:23 |
| seb128 | I was thinking about libical | 09:23 |
| seb128 | ignore that | 09:23 |
| pitti | o_O | 09:24 |
| pitti | evolution builds libgdata1.2-dev and build-depends on it at the same time | 09:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's coming from eds no? | 09:27 |
| seb128 | pitti, evo is not building any lib | 09:27 |
| pitti | ah, probably | 09:27 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll have a look whether we can build totem against evo's lib, then we could drop libgdata | 09:28 |
| seb128 | good luck | 09:28 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm currently checking duplicated libs in lucid, I'll send mail and create a wiki page | 09:28 |
| seb128 | I would do it the other way around rather though | 09:28 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:28 |
| pitti | build evo against libgdata? | 09:28 |
| seb128 | yes | 09:28 |
| seb128 | libgdata is separate lib and being actively worked | 09:29 |
| pitti | okay | 09:29 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure the e-d-s one is being worked at all | 09:29 |
| * pitti marks libgdata as "primary" package then | 09:29 | |
| seb128 | well that's a first though thing | 09:30 |
| seb128 | you might want to check both option | 09:30 |
| pitti | *nod* | 09:30 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 09:41 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson, good morning! had a good weekend? | 09:42 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 09:44 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128, pitti | 09:45 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, my weekend was ok thanks | 09:45 |
| chrisccoulson | did you both have a good weekend? | 09:45 |
| seb128 | excellent thanks | 09:45 |
| sabdfl | noticed a warning in Xorg.0.log on one machine: Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory) | 09:45 |
| seb128 | fighting though 600 bug emails now | 09:45 |
| seb128 | hey sabdfl | 09:46 |
| sabdfl | acpid is running, with the same parameters as it is on another machine | 09:46 |
| sabdfl | morning seb128, how was your weekend? | 09:46 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i've got quite a few mails too | 09:46 |
| chrisccoulson | hey sabdfl - i don't think that warning is anything to be worried about | 09:46 |
| seb128 | sabdfl, excellent, thanks! how was yours? | 09:46 |
| sabdfl | could it be a race at startup? is there any dependency between acpid startup and X? | 09:46 |
| sabdfl | seb128: super thanks, though I went to CT for one night only and got the night wrong | 09:47 |
| sabdfl | sigh | 09:47 |
| sabdfl | who gets married on a Friday? | 09:47 |
| pitti | sabdfl: indeed, gdm's upstart job does not have a dependency on acpid | 09:48 |
| seb128 | none of the people I know who got married at least | 09:48 |
| * pitti got married on a Friday, why? | 09:48 | |
| seb128 | pitti, better during weekends when people can come in the afternoon without having to take a day off work or still be in work mood? ;-) | 09:49 |
| pitti | seb128: we didn't want to wait another year :) we wanted to have the wedding on an anniversary | 09:49 |
| seb128 | seems a good reason indeed ;-) | 09:50 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - sabdfl - bug 496859 FYI | 09:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 496859 in gdm "*dm upstart job should depend on acpid because X tries to connect to acpid socket very soon after starting." [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496859 | 09:54 |
| baptistemm | Hello Ladies & Gentlemen | 09:54 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I was actually wondering what X would want with ACPI events | 09:54 |
| pitti | bonjour baptistemm | 09:54 |
| chrisccoulson | hey baptistemm | 09:54 |
| baptistemm | Hi pitti | 09:54 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, me too | 09:54 |
| sabdfl | chrisccoulson: what happens if X doesn't get acpid.socket on the first go? | 09:56 |
| sabdfl | can X retry that later? | 09:57 |
| sabdfl | it seems that it would be better to be loosely coupled rather than have a hard dependency | 09:57 |
| chrisccoulson | sabdfl, i'm not really sure, but Keybuk seems to suggest in that bug report that X doesn't really really need to connect to the socket in the first place | 09:57 |
| pitti | all potentially interesting apci events, such as lid closing or power button are handled in g-p-m; X wouldn't have enough knowledge to handle them sanely, FWIW | 09:59 |
| sabdfl | that's good to know, i see Bryce hasn't expressed an opinion yet though | 10:00 |
| baptistemm | asac, Hi | 10:00 |
| baptistemm | asac, bluez 4.62 is out with API breakage fixed. | 10:01 |
| tjaalton | X doesn't need acpid | 10:03 |
| tjaalton | that code should be removed from the server altogether | 10:03 |
| asac | baptistemm: good ;) ... is it ready? | 10:04 |
| asac | pitti: someone said you know why suspend/resume does reliably not work since lucid anymore on my X61s thinkpad? something about missing quirks | 10:05 |
| asac | ? | 10:05 |
| pitti | asac: I fixed quirks during the sprint | 10:06 |
| pitti | if it still doesn't work, it's not a quirks problem | 10:06 |
| pitti | asac: nvidia? | 10:06 |
| baptistemm | asac, ready to ? I didn't had a look to it yet, I'm at work now | 10:06 |
| asac | ;) | 10:07 |
| asac | pitti: thats lenovo ... so some intel graphics. .. let me check | 10:08 |
| asac | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) | 10:08 |
| asac | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) | 10:08 |
| sabdfl | tjaalton: ah, i pinged Bryce for comment on that, if you could add your comments that would be useful | 10:08 |
| sabdfl | to the bug, that is | 10:08 |
| tjaalton | sabdfl: done, and moved to xorg-server | 10:08 |
| pitti | asac: i965 has never needed quirks in the first place | 10:09 |
| pitti | asac: (everything newer than i915, in fact) | 10:09 |
| pitti | asac: also, KMS does not need quirks | 10:09 |
| pitti | asac: what's broken? | 10:09 |
| asac | pitti: it never suspends | 10:09 |
| asac | it tries, but then loops and i have to hit the power button | 10:10 |
| pitti | asac: oh, it just comes back immediately without suspend? that's not a quirks problem at all | 10:10 |
| pitti | asac: check /var/log/pm-suspend.log | 10:10 |
| asac | no ... it doesnt go down, but never comes back | 10:10 |
| pitti | perhaps one of the suspend.d scripts fails | 10:10 |
| asac | let me check | 10:10 |
| asac | hmm | 10:11 |
| asac | i get two things that dont look like "success" | 10:11 |
| asac | /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/49bluetooth thaw hibernate:Returned exit code 1. | 10:11 |
| asac | (i dont hibernate ever) | 10:11 |
| pitti | no, that's "thaw" | 10:11 |
| pitti | that's resuming from hibernate | 10:11 |
| pitti | asac: is only hibernate broken, or suspend as well? | 10:12 |
| asac | i never ever did hibernate ;) | 10:12 |
| pitti | but thaw is from hibernate | 10:12 |
| asac | suspend is broken | 10:12 |
| asac | yeah. no idea why its there. | 10:12 |
| pitti | suspend -> resume | 10:12 |
| pitti | hibernate -> thaw | 10:12 |
| asac | /etc/pm/sleep.d/action_wpa suspend suspend:success. | 10:12 |
| asac | Wed Mar 3 12:01:33 CET 2010: performing suspend | 10:12 |
| asac | Initial commandline parameters: | 10:12 |
| asac | Wed Mar 3 16:06:48 CET 2010: Running hooks for suspend. | 10:12 |
| asac | /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/000kernel-change suspend suspend:success. | 10:12 |
| pitti | asac: perhaps delete the log, try one suspend, and then check the log? | 10:12 |
| asac | thats the other that isnt really unsuccessful, but that complains | 10:12 |
| asac | yeah | 10:12 |
| asac | let me do that | 10:12 |
| asac | ... later tonight. stay tuned | 10:13 |
| pitti | ok :) | 10:13 |
| debfx | pitti: on my laptop brightness_switch_enabled is Y, so hal sets brightness_in_hardware to true even though brightness isn't handled in hardware | 10:40 |
| debfx | so what component is reposible for setting brightness_switch_enabled to N for those laptops? | 10:41 |
| pitti | debfx: the kernel, it's an attribute in /sys/module/video/parameters/ | 10:42 |
| debfx | pitti: yes, but which kernel module actually modifies the attribute? | 10:43 |
| pitti | debfx: "video" | 10:43 |
| pitti | oh, wait, it's a module parameter, not something that the kernel detects | 10:43 |
| pitti | I suppose it's just the default in our kernel | 10:44 |
| pitti | debfx: it's entirely possible that the hal test is wrong; I don't know why it does that | 10:44 |
| sabdfl | thanks tjaalton | 10:45 |
| seb128 | mvo, hey | 10:50 |
| seb128 | mvo, do you get bug 477127 too or just triaged it? | 10:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 477127 in software-center "gnome-panel menu entry for software-center is missing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/477127 | 10:50 |
| mvo | seb128: a guy in #ubuntu-testing has it (czajkowski) | 10:51 |
| mvo | seb128: I just added the gnome-panel task as its doing the magic to put the entry there, right? | 10:52 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, there? | 10:52 |
| czajkowski | seb128: I am | 10:52 |
| seb128 | mvo, no, it's in the gnome-menus description | 10:52 |
| mvo | oh, sorry. should I reassign or will you? | 10:52 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, where is the entry missing? in the application menu? under GNOME? | 10:52 |
| seb128 | mvo, trying to figure there what happens the bug description is not really clear | 10:52 |
| seb128 | mvo, I will reassign then ;-) | 10:53 |
| mvo | ok, thanks! | 10:53 |
| czajkowski | seb128: back when I upgraded to karmic I noticed it. clicking on applications and going to end of menu where add/remove applications is displayed. | 10:53 |
| chrisccoulson | czajkowski, did you try cleaning out ~/.config/menus? | 10:54 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, do you get the issue in a guest session? | 10:54 |
| czajkowski | chrisccoulson: nope I can do tonight and let folks know | 10:54 |
| czajkowski | seb128: shall check that also | 10:54 |
| czajkowski | machine isn't here unfortunately | 10:54 |
| seb128 | or is that specific to your user? | 10:54 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:54 |
| seb128 | I will comment on the bug | 10:54 |
| czajkowski | ok I didnt report the bug, just found it and commented on it. | 10:55 |
| debfx | pitti: I guess the test is wrong as it doesn't check if the video module is actually capable of handling brightness changes | 11:02 |
| pitti | seb128: do you know whether anyone is particularly attached to pan? (newsreader); it's only seeded in the DVD seed | 11:32 |
| seb128 | pitti, I doubt it | 11:32 |
| seb128 | I mean people probably use it, but I don't think anybody look at its bugs, updates, etc | 11:32 |
| pitti | seb128: ok to unseed from DVD and demote? | 11:33 |
| seb128 | I would move it to universe if that's the question | 11:33 |
| seb128 | yes | 11:33 |
| pitti | alright, doing; merci | 11:33 |
| seb128 | de rien | 11:33 |
| seb128 | bah | 11:34 |
| seb128 | new icon theme bring back an not noticable message indicator | 11:35 |
| seb128 | I just noticed it was slightly bold | 11:35 |
| seb128 | I got a message 2 hours ago which was sitting there :-( | 11:35 |
| didrocks | yeah, I'm missing some messages as well because of that again | 11:36 |
| * pitti wants it to blink | 11:37 | |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: do you know whether we plan to update tracker? 0.7 doesn't use the obsolete gmime2.0 any more | 11:39 |
| pitti | (it drops it completely) | 11:40 |
| pitti | our version still uses it in the evolution and kmail indexer | 11:40 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - not this cycle. there's a blocker for updating to 0.7 at the moment, else i would have done it by now | 11:41 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ok, thanks; I'll try to build against 2.4 then | 11:41 |
| chrisccoulson | the current 0.7 branch doesn't handle ontology changes (which still occur often), and currently require users to manually erase their database and reindex on upgrade | 11:41 |
| chrisccoulson | once that is fixed, they're going to do a stable 0.8 release | 11:41 |
| chrisccoulson | but that is lucid+1 material now | 11:42 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ok, thank you | 11:42 |
| didrocks | seb128: chrisccoulson: taking g-s-d update | 12:12 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks - thanks | 12:12 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: g-s-d is waiting for new gnome-desktop release, I'm taking g-c-c in the meantime :) | 12:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: it seems you were disconnected: taking g-c-c | 12:38 |
| seb128 | didrocks, there is a g-c-c update? ok | 12:38 |
| didrocks | yep :) | 12:38 |
| seb128 | didrocks, can you take the patch from bug 533888 | 12:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 533888 in gnome-control-center "default applications capplet doesn't recognize banshee" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/533888 | 12:38 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure, thanks for the notice :) | 12:39 |
| seb128 | np | 12:39 |
| seb128 | thank you for doing the update | 12:39 |
| didrocks | no pb :) | 12:39 |
| seb128 | yes I got disconnected apparently | 12:40 |
| didrocks | seb128: I told also that I would take g-s-d, but it depends on new libgnome-desktop not yet released | 12:41 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:41 |
| seb128 | why do they keep doing that after freezes? ;-) | 12:41 |
| seb128 | I blame vuntz! | 12:41 |
| didrocks | of course, everybody blame vuntz btw :-) | 12:42 |
| bratsche | Morning | 12:46 |
| didrocks | good morning bratsche | 12:56 |
| seb128 | hey bratsche | 12:57 |
| seb128 | bratsche, back to the other side of the ocean? ;-) | 12:57 |
| bratsche | Hey didrocks, seb128.. yeah I'm back home now. Keep waking up around 5am now by that's okay I guess. :) | 12:58 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 12:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I will do the g-s-d update later, I've an another change to do there so when I do gnome-desktop I will do that too | 12:59 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, I just had bumped the gnome-desktop dep and refreshed debian/patches/90_autoreconf.patch, do you want me to push them (knowing that I've already pushed something later this morning)? | 13:01 |
| didrocks | that's 3s, but as you'll have to pull in any case :) | 13:02 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yes please, I will just add my change and upload when I do gnome-desktop so I can testbuild and upload | 13:02 |
| didrocks | ok | 13:02 |
| seb128 | thanks | 13:02 |
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| didrocks | y/w | 13:03 |
| seb128 | asac, no thanks to you for saturating my download with tons of rebuilds :p | 13:11 |
| asac | seb128: the rebuild happened over the weekend ;) | 13:14 |
| asac | be happy that i didnt bust the builders during your work hours | 13:14 |
| asac | :-P | 13:14 |
| seb128 | right | 13:14 |
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| * didrocks is wondering what score asac soyuz karma today can be :) | 13:20 | |
| asac | lol | 13:21 |
| asac | not that much ... 43667 | 13:21 |
| asac | i think the first 100 packages were not fully counted as those were copied from a ppa | 13:22 |
| kenvandine | seb128, good morning | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | seb128, can you sponsor gwibber for me? | 13:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey | 13:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, can do | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gwibber/ubuntu | 13:28 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | and, i would like some advice on libubuntuone | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | lp:ubuntu/libubuntuone | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | it adds the mono bindings, but they are unversioned | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | so i patched it to version them | 13:29 |
| kenvandine | but directhex doesn't agree they should be versioned | 13:29 |
| asac | seb128: btw, i wanted to commit the libgnome-keyring fix i did to the bzr branch in controll .... however that doesnt exist (the project doesnt exist) | 13:32 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hum, could you give the reasons why he thinks they should not? | 13:32 |
| kenvandine | his comment was they should be unversioned and apps that depend on it should copy the dll in at build time | 13:32 |
| kenvandine | which i guess banshee does | 13:32 |
| asac | so i couldnt do that | 13:32 |
| asac | ;) | 13:32 |
| kenvandine | seb128, and he said his assumption is that libu1 isn't abi stable yet... but i certain hope it is | 13:32 |
| seb128 | asac, ups, sorry about that, feel free to push there which will create it | 13:32 |
| kenvandine | now that other apps will depend on it :) | 13:32 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, did you look at that merge proposal? | 13:33 |
| asac | seb128: it will create the project? | 13:33 |
| seb128 | asac, libgnome-keyring has been splitted from gnome-keyring recently and I was not sure if we should use the canonical location or the team one | 13:33 |
| asac | i dont know either | 13:33 |
| asac | would thin same project | 13:33 |
| seb128 | asac, hum, ok, do nothing I will sort that with the next update | 13:33 |
| seb128 | I guess we will use the canonical location | 13:33 |
| asac | like gnome-keyring/lib.ubuntu ;) | 13:33 |
| seb128 | ubuntu/libgnome-keyring | 13:33 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, yes, looks good to me, just wanted to confirm with you if that's what we want, since directhex mentions doing it differently? | 13:33 |
| asac | hmm | 13:34 |
| seb128 | it's small enough than having source in bzr is ok | 13:34 |
| asac | right | 13:34 |
| asac | so we already have it ;) | 13:34 |
| seb128 | asac, basically it means you have nothing to do the source importer should have taken care of it | 13:34 |
| asac | just update control | 13:34 |
| seb128 | I will drop the vcs in control | 13:34 |
| asac | true | 13:34 |
| seb128 | asac, right, thanks for pointing it | 13:34 |
| asac | welcome | 13:34 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, we would need to do the signing | 13:37 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, ok, let's ask directhex to propose a branch, since he knows how it should be done, ok? | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, to get aquarius and his beta testers moving i uploaded to the ppa | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | sure | 13:38 |
| kenvandine | :) | 13:38 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, yeah, aquarius told me | 13:38 |
| seb128 | ok, 5 hours later I'm done dealing with weekend emails | 13:48 |
| seb128 | that includes 600 bug emails too | 13:49 |
| didrocks | seb128: that's impressive. Do you have some tweaks in evolution for standard answers and use the mail interface or do you use greasemonkey? | 13:50 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 | 13:50 | |
| seb128 | greasemonkey | 13:50 |
| seb128 | I go through unread emails in my email client | 13:50 |
| seb128 | keep basically one by bugs I want to comment on | 13:51 |
| seb128 | clean everything which has been triaged or I don't care about by marking as read | 13:51 |
| seb128 | then I go through the unread ones and click on the url for each | 13:51 |
| seb128 | and reply or use stock reply there | 13:51 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 13:51 | |
| didrocks | isn't that too slow to load every page you're interested in? (maybe just my firefox is dying) | 13:51 |
| seb128 | the gnome-keyring screen unlock hangs should be fixed too | 13:51 |
| seb128 | which is a good week start ;-) | 13:52 |
| didrocks | sweet \o/ | 13:52 |
| seb128 | that was one of the annoying bugs I wanted fixed this week | 13:52 |
| seb128 | thanks upstream for working during weekends :p | 13:52 |
| didrocks | heh :) | 13:52 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I keep a firefox open on the same workspace | 13:52 |
| seb128 | it adds tabs | 13:52 |
| seb128 | I can queue a bunch and go through loaded tabs | 13:52 |
| didrocks | right, but the javascript part is terribly slow on my computer (I have 20 tabs opened + the launchpad one)… That's why I wonder how you deal with that :) | 13:53 |
| seb128 | what javascript? | 13:54 |
| seb128 | I click on the "+" to display the "change settings and add comment"s | 13:54 |
| seb128 | do my changes or click on the greasemonkey and commit | 13:54 |
| seb128 | then go to next tab while it ping pong with launchpad | 13:55 |
| seb128 | there is loading or waiting involved that I can see there? | 13:55 |
| seb128 | do you mean you use the ajax to change settings? | 13:55 |
| didrocks | just clicking on + to show the change settings and even switching tab/scrolling in the page is slow with my firefox | 13:56 |
| seb128 | I guess it's an issue with your firefox then | 13:58 |
| didrocks | ok, I should try with a clean profile | 13:59 |
| didrocks | seb128: taking gnome-menus and blaming vuntz :) | 14:01 |
| Nafai | Good morning | 14:02 |
| didrocks | good morning Nafai | 14:02 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ;-) | 14:02 |
| seb128 | hey nafa | 14:02 |
| seb128 | hey Nafai | 14:02 |
| Nafai | Morning didrocks seb128 | 14:03 |
| Keybuk | so, I've noticed one thing since the notification indicator was made mandatory on the desktop | 14:15 |
| Keybuk | ... it's always lit up | 14:15 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, lit up? | 14:19 |
| Keybuk | seb128: yeah, always saying I have messages | 14:19 |
| seb128 | weird | 14:20 |
| Keybuk | it's always e-mail | 14:20 |
| Keybuk | which is probably correct; I always have new mail | 14:20 |
| seb128 | here the change between no message and a message is barely noticable | 14:20 |
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| seb128 | didrocks, doing the gvfs update | 14:23 |
| didrocks | seb128: oki :) | 14:23 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, btw I assigned you a notify-osd bug about nmapplet icons | 14:25 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, kwwii said he was looking at getting a design decision about those so feel free to wait on that | 14:25 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, the assignement + milestone was to keep it on our radar in some way | 14:26 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - thanks, no worries | 14:26 |
| seb128 | didrocks, doing nautilus too | 14:41 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok | 14:44 |
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| seb128 | vuntz, is .92 the right time to add new bindings everywhere? | 15:05 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, how is RAOF's f-spot work going? | 15:17 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, dunno I've not seen him today, .au - Europe overlap in the morning is short | 15:18 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 15:18 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3 | 15:18 |
| seb128 | I will check when he's online tonight | 15:18 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, also, anyone looking after bluetooth? | 15:18 |
| seb128 | we tend to overlap rather in my evenings | 15:18 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: I quickly talked to him this morning, and he said "good" | 15:18 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, what about bluetooth? | 15:18 |
| rickspencer3 | I tried it on the plane and it seemed to be a bit wonky | 15:18 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: he said it's basically working, but there's a memleak to fix still | 15:18 |
| seb128 | pitti is an early bird ;-) | 15:18 |
| rickspencer3 | the indicator and the bt dialog don't seem linked together really | 15:19 |
| rickspencer3 | hi pitti | 15:19 |
| rickspencer3 | great | 15:19 |
| rickspencer3 | good to hear | 15:19 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, pitti do either of you have bluetooth you can test out? | 15:19 |
| pitti | I have a bt headset; what's wrong? | 15:20 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I do, I've tested the indicator when uploading the changes | 15:20 |
| rickspencer3 | it just flat out didn't work on mini 10v | 15:20 |
| seb128 | using a mouse or sending files to a phone | 15:20 |
| pitti | oh, I didn't use the BT indicator yet, I think | 15:20 |
| rickspencer3 | I'll try again today and log a propper bug | 15:20 |
| seb128 | mini10v bluetooth is broken for me since the paris sprint | 15:20 |
| rickspencer3 | ah | 15:20 |
| seb128 | it just has "enable bluetooth" | 15:20 |
| seb128 | which doesn't enable anything | 15:20 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, I enabled it in the bios | 15:20 |
| seb128 | it's enable in the bios there | 15:21 |
| Nafai | rickspencer3: I know about the problems with the indicator applet | 15:21 |
| rickspencer3 | I suppose it lacks bluetooth hardware or something :/ | 15:21 |
| seb128 | it makes no difference ubuntu see it as off | 15:21 |
| rickspencer3 | hi Nafai, great | 15:21 |
| Nafai | rickspencer3: I think jpetersen has fixed it | 15:21 |
| Nafai | :) | 15:21 |
| seb128 | Nafai, what problems? | 15:21 |
| * seb128 doesn't | 15:21 | |
| Nafai | seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-bluetooth/+bug/528694 | 15:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 528694 in gnome-bluetooth "application indicator does not refresh on/off state" [High,Triaged] | 15:21 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I'm pretty sure it used to work in karmic | 15:21 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, hmmm | 15:21 |
| seb128 | Nafai, oh ok | 15:21 |
| rickspencer3 | we need to get this fixed for Lucid then | 15:21 |
| rickspencer3 | that is a rather serious regression | 15:22 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I would say it's a linux bug | 15:22 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, that is my guess as well | 15:22 |
| * rickspencer3 throws to kernel team | 15:22 | |
| seb128 | I've stopped trying to get linux bugs fixed | 15:22 |
| seb128 | nobody ever comment or reply to my bug reports there | 15:22 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, nm, I'll log a proper bug and follow up with the kernel team | 15:22 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, thanks | 15:22 |
| pitti | subscribing canonical-kernel-team sometimes works | 15:22 |
| vuntz | seb128: it's introspection data | 15:27 |
| vuntz | seb128: I don't consider this as new stuff, since it can't break anything already existing | 15:28 |
| vuntz | seb128: and --disable-introspection can be used | 15:28 |
| vuntz | but I'm open to your arguments :-) | 15:28 |
| seb128 | vuntz, we don't have the same definition about new stuff | 15:28 |
| seb128 | vuntz, like it changes build system and introduce extra distributor work with possible breakages for cases where the option is on or off | 15:29 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, ok so maybe I was wrong, I just booted karmic on the mini from an usb key and no bluetooth either there | 15:31 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, the dell website says it has bluetooth though | 15:31 |
| vuntz | seb128: well, by default, it shouldn't change anything | 15:35 |
| vuntz | seb128: unless you add the gobject-introspection devel stuff to the build dependencies | 15:35 |
| seb128 | vuntz, "shouldn't", the reason we have freezes is that adding new things which shouldn't break do often break for some reasons ;-) | 15:36 |
| seb128 | vuntz, like configure autofoo bugs or similar | 15:36 |
| seb128 | vuntz, anyway I was just pointing it, you are the one granting exception there anyway so I guess you can grant you those you need or want ;-) | 15:37 |
| vuntz | I can't grant exceptions to me, though | 15:39 |
| vuntz | hrm, is http://patches.ubuntu.com/by-release/extracted/ not updated anymore? | 15:39 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, ^ do you know? | 15:41 |
| Keybuk | it got dropped a while ago | 15:41 |
| vuntz | Keybuk: you don't love me anymore? | 15:42 |
| Keybuk | vuntz: it got no hits in months | 15:43 |
| Keybuk | and the "patches in a source package" and "diff for an upload" things have moved to Launchpad | 15:43 |
| Keybuk | as we move to Bzr source packages (lp:ubuntu/*) the old Merge-o-Matic stuff is slowly being wound down | 15:43 |
| vuntz | ah, indeed, it's all browsable in launchpad, cool | 15:45 |
| vuntz | thanks! | 15:45 |
| vuntz | (a bit slower, but I can live with that) | 15:46 |
| didrocks | vuntz: I believe jcastro is consolidating that on a page in the coming months to ease upstream picking/seeing ubuntu patches | 15:47 |
| seb128 | didrocks, hum, are you sure we shouldn't build the introspection from upstream sources? | 15:47 |
| seb128 | I'm a bit torned on this | 15:47 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, looking to libubuntu I would think it should be not versioned too, none of the cil installed there seem versioned | 15:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: I tried to keep what we have. The gir file is still in gir-repository, but I can split in a package if you think it's important | 15:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I'm not sure if that's "important" let do it without that for now | 15:48 |
| pitti | hm, I thought gir-repo was only a temporary hack | 15:48 |
| seb128 | we can revisit in a few days | 15:49 |
| * jcastro says: try adding a +patches to a URL of a package on launchpad! | 15:49 | |
| pitti | it seems much cleaner to me to build it from the particular pacakges? | 15:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, it is, gnome-menus and libwnck are having this built from source now | 15:49 |
| didrocks | seb128: that's what I thought :) | 15:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, the discussion is whether we want to do the extra change to those now | 15:49 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, they need a new binary pacakge? i. e. they can't just be put into the existing libfoo-dev? | 15:49 |
| seb128 | or keep the gir blob for lucid | 15:49 |
| pitti | the latter seems trivial | 15:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, right, there is a gir policy from debian | 15:49 |
| didrocks | pitti: it's a new bin package | 15:49 |
| seb128 | those are splitted in new binaries | 15:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, you have running typelibs too | 15:50 |
| pitti | hm, I wonder why they didn't use the existing -dev | 15:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, those should go in the lib otherwise | 15:50 |
| pitti | ok | 15:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, because typelib are runtime | 15:50 |
| pitti | well, let me know if you need a quick binNEW, I'm happy to help out | 15:50 |
| pitti | I'm in an archive cleanup mood today anyway :) | 15:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, well we would need to do the source changes first | 15:50 |
| seb128 | I think I would be in favor of doing it | 15:50 |
| seb128 | the naming convention and the changes should be easy | 15:51 |
| seb128 | and it's only a few sources | 15:51 |
| didrocks | ok, no pb, on it :) | 15:51 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ^ what do you think? | 15:51 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 15:51 |
| didrocks | seb128: I had no strong opinion when preparing the update. Just pick the less risky one :) | 15:51 |
| seb128 | ok, let's do it | 15:51 |
| seb128 | so we can blame vuntz for extra things if it breaks :p | 15:51 |
| didrocks | seb128: vuntz told me about the libwnck's change too, but where did you see it? it's not in the ftp mail yet :p | 15:52 |
| didrocks | seb128: yes \o/ let's blame vuntz again :) | 15:52 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I'm on irc.gnome.org commits channel | 15:52 |
| didrocks | oh, oki, you're really everywhere and seeing everything :) | 15:52 |
| seb128 | can't use alt-gr today | 15:52 |
| vuntz | didrocks: it's not released yet | 15:52 |
| seb128 | it limits me in chars I can type | 15:53 |
| * seb128 hates how g-s-d crashing breaks things | 15:53 | |
| didrocks | seb128: no "|" ? How can you live? | 15:53 |
| seb128 | like a restart doesn't make themes or keymap work again in running applications | 15:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, * debian/rules: Explicitly set D-Bus service dir configuration option, to | 15:54 |
| seb128 | pitti, did you have an opinion on whether we should keep that or go back to autodetection? | 15:54 |
| pitti | seb128: sorry, where? | 15:54 |
| seb128 | pitti, gvfs | 15:54 |
| seb128 | sorry ;-) | 15:54 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, that was fixed upstream, wasn't it? | 15:55 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes | 15:55 |
| pitti | seb128: it was just a workaround to avoid an 99autoreconf | 15:55 |
| pitti | seb128: sure, please drop it | 15:55 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 15:55 |
| pitti | thanks to you | 15:55 |
| seb128 | I was just wondering if it would make sense to keep the known location | 15:55 |
| seb128 | or just let autodetection do the job | 15:55 |
| kenvandine | seb128, now directhex has converted it to a signed, versioned binary :) | 15:56 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ? | 15:57 |
| seb128 | I don't get what you guys are doing | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | seb128, his only real issue with it was he didn't think libu1 was a stable api | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | but we need it to be now that it is in lucid | 15:57 |
| seb128 | why is that lib having a version in its name to start with? | 15:57 |
| seb128 | why just not using soname and changing it the day you break abi | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | isn't that desirable? | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | so we can install multiple versions? | 15:58 |
| seb128 | who wants to do that? | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | we it does use the soname | 15:58 |
| seb128 | I dislike having several versions of a lib | 15:58 |
| seb128 | especially for libs used in very limited cases | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | of course, but if there are deps you don't control | 15:58 |
| seb128 | the distro usually transition when required | 15:58 |
| seb128 | and you build in a different prefix for local testing | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | like in this case banshee will start to depend on it | 15:59 |
| seb128 | why would banshee and rhyhtmbox use 2 different version of the lib? | 15:59 |
| seb128 | I'm sure everybody would hate that | 15:59 |
| seb128 | starting by the security team | 15:59 |
| seb128 | having 2 times the same lib | 15:59 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure to understand what usecase you would have to ship 2 versions of those | 16:00 |
| seb128 | it makes sense for ie gtk1 to gtk2 | 16:00 |
| seb128 | when you need the old lib for years the time to port things | 16:00 |
| seb128 | but for small libs... | 16:00 |
| kenvandine | seb128, ok, i'll do that then | 16:03 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I would say libubuntuone has a library which get progressive updates in a compatible way | 16:03 |
| seb128 | not a lib which need having 2 series usable at the same time or user boxes (hackers can build in a different dir an use that version to work) | 16:04 |
| kenvandine | so directhex changed it so it gets signed and has a strong name, etc | 16:04 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, well don't especially bother now | 16:04 |
| seb128 | it has been done this way now | 16:04 |
| seb128 | it just makes names weird looking | 16:04 |
| seb128 | and I doubt we will ever want 2 versions together in the archive | 16:04 |
| kenvandine | his assumption before was that during the build process banshee would just copy in the dll into the package | 16:04 |
| seb128 | rather than just upgrade and rebuild rhythmbox and banshee | 16:04 |
| kenvandine | so now at least it works with the installed version | 16:04 |
| seb128 | good | 16:04 |
| kenvandine | so libubuntuone-cil | 16:05 |
| kenvandine | right? | 16:05 |
| seb128 | well my comments were about the C lib | 16:05 |
| seb128 | dunno if that was clear ;-) | 16:06 |
| kenvandine | i am not changing that now :) | 16:06 |
| seb128 | right what I said | 16:06 |
| kenvandine | but should the mono bindings follow what the C lib is now? or just drop the version from the name? | 16:06 |
| seb128 | libubuntuone-1.0-cil I guess | 16:06 |
| kenvandine | like libubuntuone-cil? | 16:06 |
| kenvandine | ok | 16:06 |
| seb128 | I would follow the C name | 16:06 |
| kenvandine | ok | 16:07 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i'll have a package to sponsor in a bit :) | 16:08 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:08 |
| seb128 | I did sponsor gwibber btw | 16:08 |
| kenvandine | seb128, thx! | 16:13 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, yw | 16:13 |
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| didrocks | pitti: you maybe want to have a look before I upload it: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-menus/ubuntu/revision/56 I have also removed the typelib package from gir-repository and the gir file. (as it's a bin package moving between source packages, I prefer a double check :)) | 16:45 |
| andreasn | mpt, ping | 16:46 |
| pitti | didrocks: the C/R to gir-repository-dev looks a bit strange -- how do we know that -6 (or 5ubuntu1) will definitively drop it? | 16:51 |
| didrocks | pitti: FYI, the debdiff for gir-repository: http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/gir_repo.diff | 16:51 |
| didrocks | pitti: I will upload the gir-repository one | 16:51 |
| didrocks | if there is a smarter way… :) | 16:52 |
| pitti | didrocks: I think you should drop the Conflicts: | 16:52 |
| pitti | didrocks: just the replaces should be enough | 16:52 |
| pitti | erm, wait | 16:53 |
| didrocks | pitti: but if someone just get the gnome-menu update, and then install the old gir-repo? | 16:53 |
| pitti | didrocks: the gir-repository-dev conflict happens why? the binary name didn't change at all AFAICS? | 16:53 |
| didrocks | pitti: both provide the .gir file | 16:53 |
| pitti | didrocks: ah, that was actually my next question | 16:53 |
| pitti | didrocks: what is a .gir file, and why is it in libfoo-dev instead of the gir package? | 16:54 |
| didrocks | pitti: see http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org/msg13664.html. The gir file is for building the package | 16:54 |
| didrocks | the typlib is arch depend and should be in the gir-* package | 16:55 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti: don't update gir-repository yet | 16:55 |
| pitti | didrocks: ok, that explains the conflict; thanks | 16:55 |
| pitti | Package: gir1.0-gmenu-2.0 | 16:55 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti: we will have a bunch of those changes I will clean it after we are done, we don't want an upload for each change | 16:55 |
| pitti | Conflicts: gobject-introspection-repository | 16:55 |
| pitti | didrocks: ^ why that? | 16:56 |
| pitti | seb128: ack | 16:56 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti: also please don't Conflicts when you mean Replaces | 16:56 |
| pitti | so we'd just add an unversioned replaces: for now | 16:56 |
| didrocks | pitti: it was on the old bin package in gir-repository | 16:56 |
| pitti | didrocks: so, use unversioned replaces then | 16:56 |
| didrocks | seb128: it C/R in fact | 16:56 |
| didrocks | and no conflict? what happen if: | 16:56 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no conflicts | 16:57 |
| didrocks | 1. I install gmenu-dev package | 16:57 |
| didrocks | oh yes, forget it :) | 16:57 |
| didrocks | just realized that we won't be abled to install gir-…dev because of overwritting file without Replaces: :) | 16:57 |
| pitti | didrocks: ok, understood; diff looks ok to me, except for the "unversioned replaces/drop conflicts" thing | 16:58 |
| didrocks | ok, doing that | 16:58 |
| didrocks | just one question, we will have two sources packages providing the same bin package, no issue in the archive? | 16:58 |
| pitti | didrocks: you need to ensure that the new one has a higher version number | 16:59 |
| pitti | otherwise you'd never get an upgrade | 16:59 |
| didrocks | ok, that's the case, perfect :) thanks pitti, making the change and uploading now | 17:00 |
| seb128 | it's not you will never get an upgrade | 17:00 |
| didrocks | seb128: I hold on the gir-repo until the new GNOME is released, thanks | 17:00 |
| seb128 | it"s "soyuz will fail to upload the all binaries for the source" | 17:00 |
| didrocks | ok | 17:00 |
| seb128 | "upload all the" rather | 17:00 |
| didrocks | (we get an email when this happens?) | 17:00 |
| seb128 | iirc yes | 17:01 |
| seb128 | it's a build failure | 17:01 |
| didrocks | ok, that's not the case here, but it's good to know for further fun :) | 17:01 |
| didrocks | thanks pitti & seb128 | 17:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thank you for doing the work ;-) | 17:04 |
| didrocks | you're welcome :-) | 17:04 |
| seb128 | didrocks, doing gnome-desktop | 17:05 |
| seb128 | I will let glib for tomorrow | 17:05 |
| seb128 | since Debian does it usually, we just have to rebase your small change | 17:05 |
| didrocks | seb128: oki :) | 17:06 |
| mpt | mvo, I'm going through the rating+review process and had two "crashes", but Apport bails of course since it's not an official package. Now it's stuck on "Connecting…" in the review dialog. Anything more I can do to help here? | 17:12 |
| mpt | oh, cancelling and trying again connects ok | 17:12 |
| mpt | but can/should I report those crashes? | 17:13 |
| mvo | mpt: please mail me the backtraces | 17:17 |
| mvo | mpt: connecting…> I saw similar issues, I *think* in some cases its trying to connect to launchpads API and has a really long timeout | 17:18 |
| mvo | mpt: we are still using LP and not ubuntu SSO btw, the later has no API yet | 17:18 |
| mvo | (its not live) | 17:18 |
| mpt | mvo, who do I need to yell at about that? | 17:19 |
| didrocks | seb128: taking a look at gnome-themes | 17:19 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok | 17:20 |
| mvo | mpt: #isd - but please no yelling just yet :) | 17:20 |
| mpt | ok | 17:22 |
| mvo | mpt: see also /msg | 17:24 |
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| seb128 | artir_, ? | 17:59 |
| artir_ | wrong place :) | 18:00 |
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| seb128 | I'm away for sport, be back later for newer upgrades | 18:14 |
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| * kenvandine heads out for the afternoon... be back tonight | 18:27 | |
| pitti | good night everyone, Taekwondo time | 18:36 |
| Lord-Readman | Hello | 18:38 |
| Lord-Readman | is the person who made the buttons go to the left on 10.04 in here? | 18:38 |
| Lord-Readman | please change them back | 18:38 |
| Lord-Readman | more people like right than left | 18:38 |
| Lord-Readman | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/23899/ | 18:38 |
| chrisccoulson | Lord-Readman, you can't really form the conclusion that "more people like the buttons on the right" based on some numbers from brainstorm | 18:46 |
| chrisccoulson | it could just be that the people who like the buttons on the right are more vocal | 18:46 |
| dobey | well i doubt the people who like them on the left are going to file a new brainstorm to say "put the buttons on the left" | 18:48 |
| dobey | but it's a configuration setting, so you can put them either way you want them really | 18:48 |
| mpt | mvo, back? Neil suggests that the API exists for logging in, and you can just open a Web browser for registering or forgetting the password | 19:19 |
| mvo | mpt: back, yes. so the API is deployed now? that is good news. I know that the api exists, but so far it was closed beta | 19:23 |
| mpt | mvo, Neil will talk to Stuart about it tomorrow | 19:27 |
| mvo | mpt: ok | 19:29 |
| rurti | hello is there anyone here who can help me? | 20:24 |
| rurti | I checked on the #Ubuntu channel and there was no one that could help me | 20:26 |
| bratsche | rurti: Just ask a question. If someone knows the answer to your question they will answer. | 20:44 |
| didrocks | time to go to bed, have a good day/evening/night everyone | 21:17 |
| didrocks | and seb128, keep me some update for tomorrow :) | 21:17 |
| didrocks | (that's another way to tell "don't go to bed too late" ;)) | 21:17 |
| seb128 | 'night didrocks | 21:18 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks for the updates today | 21:18 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I don't plan to ;-) | 21:18 |
| chrisccoulson | 'night didrocks | 21:19 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128, how are you? | 21:19 |
| TheMuso | Good morning. | 21:20 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 21:21 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, good, thanks! just back from sport and dinner | 21:21 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, how are you? | 21:21 |
| seb128 | busy I guess? | 21:22 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm not too bad thanks. starting to suffer brain-ache from trying to debug an openjdk build failure now though | 21:22 |
| seb128 | how is the xulrunner update going? | 21:22 |
| chrisccoulson | so i might have an early night in a bit ;) | 21:22 |
| seb128 | utch | 21:22 |
| seb128 | how come you are fighting openjdk? | 21:22 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - we need try and build it against xulrunner 1.9.2 | 21:23 |
| seb128 | I see | 21:23 |
| seb128 | good luck with that then | 21:24 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, hey | 21:24 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks ;) | 21:24 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, jo has been complaining today that the desktop has been running really slow | 21:25 |
| chrisccoulson | what i didn't tell her was that i was SSH'd in building openjdk ;) | 21:26 |
| RAOF | Good morning all. | 21:26 |
| chrisccoulson | i thought i'd offload the work on to the machine that she uses | 21:26 |
| chrisccoulson | hey RAOF | 21:26 |
| TheMuso | chrisccoulson: sneaky. :) | 21:31 |
| TheMuso | Morning RAOF. | 21:31 |
| Nafai | chrisccoulson: Unfortunately my wife's machine is just a netbook so I can't really do that :) | 21:32 |
| seb128 | RAOF, hey | 21:33 |
| seb128 | RAOF, how is the f-spot hacking going? | 21:33 |
| RAOF | seb128: Undo is finished, modulo polishing and making really sure performance/memory use isn't unacceptable. | 21:34 |
| seb128 | RAOF, ok, feel free to add an updated patch to the bug when you have one ready | 21:35 |
| RAOF | I estimate that adding the next/previous buttons in edit should be done by lunchtime or so. | 21:35 |
| seb128 | if you get something which can be uploaded by the end of your day I will sponsor tomorrow | 21:35 |
| RAOF | Ok. | 21:36 |
| seb128 | thanks | 21:36 |
| bryceh | heya RAOF | 21:42 |
| RAOF | bryceh: Good morning! | 21:42 |
| bryceh | RAOF, how's things? | 21:42 |
| RAOF | Pretty good. | 21:42 |
| RAOF | The set of reported nouveau bugs is being reduced by the new -16 kernel :) | 21:43 |
| bryceh | excellent | 21:43 |
| bryceh | RAOF, I chatted with apw a few hours ago about the nouveau api changes. got a few minutes to chat about it? | 21:43 |
| RAOF | Yes. | 21:44 |
| rurti | hello | 22:08 |
| rurti | is anyone here? | 22:08 |
| TheMuso | rurti: As explained to you earlier, just ask your question, and if someone can answer it, they will. | 22:09 |
| rurti | ok | 22:10 |
| rurti | i didnt see that before sorry | 22:10 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, hi | 22:11 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, could you look at bug #532095? | 22:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 532095 in gnome-media "Changing left/right balance in sound-preferences changes the output volume slider" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532095 | 22:11 |
| rurti | I exported some dirs to the PATH variable in .profile however when using GUI based editors the paths do not show up | 22:12 |
| TheMuso | seb128: I'll have a look, but not sure what I can do about that. | 22:12 |
| TheMuso | but sure, I'll see what I can do. | 22:12 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, is that a known issue? | 22:12 |
| TheMuso | seb128: I don't know, its the first I've heard of it. | 22:12 |
| rurti | what i am trying to do is assign the make commands to keys in gedit. | 22:13 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, I might just bounce back to pulseaudion, dtchen reassigned to gnome-media but it works in fedora and upstream says it's a bug in your pulseaudio most likely | 22:13 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, I will do that and ask daniel to provide some details on why he thinks that's a gnome-media issue | 22:13 |
| TheMuso | seb128: ok | 22:13 |
| rurti | is there anyone that has any idea why the .profile variables are not set in programs such as gedit? | 22:19 |
| czajkowski | seb128: evening | 22:22 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, good evening | 22:24 |
| czajkowski | seb128: just saw your comment, I cant see the file :( | 22:25 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, that's your issue then | 22:25 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, is software-center installed? | 22:25 |
| czajkowski | seb128: yup | 22:25 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, dpkg -l software-center | 22:26 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, dpkg -L software-center | grep desktop | 22:26 |
| rurti | if no one can help me with the problem could any of you possibly point me in the right direction. | 22:26 |
| czajkowski | usr/share/app-install/desktop | 22:26 |
| czajkowski | /usr/share/app-install/desktop/software-center.menu | 22:26 |
| czajkowski | /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-software-center.desktop | 22:26 |
| czajkowski | czajkowski@cypher:~$ | 22:26 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, ls -l /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-software-center.desktop | 22:27 |
| seb128 | rurti, how do you start your application? | 22:27 |
| czajkowski | seb128: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 341 2010-03-03 22:01 /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-software-center.desktop | 22:27 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, so it's there | 22:27 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, and it's not in the application menu? | 22:28 |
| czajkowski | yup | 22:28 |
| rurti | seb128: ii launch it from the Applications bar at the top | 22:28 |
| TheMuso | 8/c | 22:28 |
| seb128 | rurti, try setting it in .gnomerc | 22:28 |
| czajkowski | which is what I've been trying to work out why since Karmic | 22:28 |
| czajkowski | :( | 22:28 |
| seb128 | rurti, not sure but .profile might be a command line thing | 22:29 |
| czajkowski | seb128: thanks though, I thought I was missing something | 22:29 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, I'm confused now, does it work or not? | 22:29 |
| rurti | seb128: so is there a way i can set my path globally for command line and apps? | 22:30 |
| czajkowski | seb128: see pm please. | 22:31 |
| seb128 | rurti, not sure | 22:32 |
| rurti | seb128: is there someone i can contact that may know the answer to the question? | 22:32 |
| rurti | seb128: possibly a script file that is fun during the login of a user with the gui interface? | 22:34 |
| seb128 | try asking on #ubuntu | 22:34 |
| seb128 | but try /etc/profile | 22:35 |
| rurti | was already there before i was here | 22:35 |
| seb128 | that might work | 22:35 |
| rurti | isnt profile the global version of the .profile? | 22:35 |
| seb128 | you might have the wrong syntax in your .profile | 22:35 |
| LaserJock | rurti: it's not really clear what you're trying to do, why do you need PATH set in GUI apps? | 22:36 |
| rurti | here if you want to take a look i have it posted at http://paste.ubuntu.com/391240/ | 22:36 |
| rurti | LaserJock: yes that is correct | 22:37 |
| seb128 | rurti, what is PATH in "/proc/`pidof gnome-session`/environ"? | 22:38 |
| rurti | LaserJock: i set the path in my .profile however my gui apps do not see the modifications to PATH | 22:38 |
| LaserJock | rurti: the question is why do you want that? could you perhaps drop a wrapper script in ~/bin/ to do what you want? | 22:39 |
| rurti | LaserJock: im setting up a custom compiler chain for several developers in my office and they want to use shortcut keys in their editors rather then the command terminal | 22:40 |
| rurti | seb128: how do i get my gnome session pid? | 22:41 |
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| LaserJock | rurti: so it seems like a wrapper script would at least work, but I would imagine PATH should be propogated to GUI apps in general | 22:43 |
| seb128 | rurti, copy what I gave you | 22:43 |
| seb128 | pidof is a command | 22:43 |
| seb128 | and `` says to use the result of the command | 22:43 |
| rurti | ok | 22:43 |
| rurti | seb128 the command didnt work -> "bash: /proc//environ: No such file or directory" | 22:47 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, robert_ancell I was thinking you guys might consider setting up some kind of face to face day in Sydney to welcome RAOF | 22:47 |
| seb128 | rurti, do you use gnome? | 22:48 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: Yeah sounds like a reasonable idea. | 22:48 |
| rurti | its Ubuntu 8.4 LTS it should be gnome | 22:48 |
| seb128 | rurti, try changing gnome-session by x-session-manager there | 22:51 |
| seb128 | it's an equivalent | 22:51 |
| RAOF | It'd be nice to have a get-together. Somewhere near a train station :) | 22:51 |
| rurti | ok that works | 22:51 |
| rurti | it says command not found one second | 22:53 |
| rurti | yea command not found | 22:54 |
| robert_ancell | Sounds good. RAOF - where are you in Sydney> | 22:54 |
| robert_ancell | ? | 22:54 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: Cammeray; tucked away down the lower north shore. | 22:55 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - do you think bug 530751 needs a UI freeze exception? i'm reluctant to keep uploading string changes now... | 22:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 530751 in hundredpapercuts ""Battery Discharging" is a horribly worded message" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530751 | 22:55 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, well, I'm on the border between Crows Nest a Cammeray so not far | 22:56 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I would just do it and notify translators if we think it's important to have | 22:58 |
| rurti | seb128: are you wanting to know what the current path is? | 22:58 |
| seb128 | I'm not english native speaker so I don't really know how weird "discharging" looks for you | 22:58 |
| seb128 | rurti, yes, in the /proc/PID/environment | 22:58 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i hadn't really noticed it to be weird before | 22:58 |
| seb128 | rurti, yes, in the /proc/PID/environ | 22:58 |
| chrisccoulson | anyway, i'll look at that in the morning | 22:58 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I will let you make the call | 22:58 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, if you change it do it this week and drop an email to the ubuntu-translators list I would say | 22:59 |
| seb128 | it's still ok to do | 22:59 |
| seb128 | it just has a cost for our translators etc | 22:59 |
| rurti | seb128: there is no /proc/PID/environ | 22:59 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - ok, i'll do that then. i might have some changes to the apport hook to upload tomorrow as well | 22:59 |
| RAOF | robert_ancell: Excellent taste in real estate ;) | 23:00 |
| rurti | seb128: would that give the same output as printenv? | 23:00 |
| seb128 | rurti, PID is the pid of gnome-session | 23:00 |
| seb128 | rurti, no, because when you open a command line it parses .profile | 23:00 |
| rurti | seb128: yes i know but environ is not there when i ls it | 23:00 |
| seb128 | rurti, and I want to know the environment of the session not the one of a bash session which read .profile | 23:00 |
| seb128 | rurti, how did you get the pid of gnome-session? | 23:01 |
| seb128 | rurti, try ls /proc/`pidof gnome-panel` | 23:01 |
| rurti | pidof x-session-gnome | 23:01 |
| seb128 | rurti, I said x-session-manager before | 23:01 |
| seb128 | not x-session-gnome | 23:01 |
| rurti | sorry | 23:01 |
| rurti | typo | 23:01 |
| rurti | x-session-manager | 23:02 |
| seb128 | and it's not working? | 23:02 |
| rurti | ill give you what it lists | 23:02 |
| seb128 | rurti, ok sorry but that channel is not an user support one | 23:02 |
| seb128 | I'm fine giving hints but I don't want to spend an hour having to explain every detail | 23:02 |
| seb128 | try #ubuntu | 23:02 |
| rurti | its ok | 23:03 |
| TheMuso | RAOF, robert_ancell, I'm inner west Sydney, so I'm happy to travel to that region of Sydney, train stations permitting. :) | 23:03 |
| rurti | ok got it to work | 23:04 |
| rurti | had a typo | 23:04 |
| rurti | the path here is correct | 23:04 |
| rurti | correction the path is not correct | 23:05 |
| seb128 | how incorrect? | 23:05 |
| rurti | the other variables i set are correct except the path | 23:05 |
| rurti | seb128: all i see under path are the usual bin dirs | 23:06 |
| rurti | seb128: the command i was missing btw was cat | 23:08 |
| seb128 | ok | 23:08 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure about the path | 23:08 |
| rurti | is it possible the path could be getting over written? | 23:09 |
| seb128 | rurti, try hacking /etc/login.defs | 23:09 |
| seb128 | rurti, right, path is handled in a specific way | 23:09 |
| rurti | seb128: can you tell me where the gui sets the path variable? | 23:11 |
| seb128 | rurti, did you try to look at the file I just pointed you at? | 23:11 |
| rurti | seb128: working on it | 23:11 |
| rurti | seb128: ok after i have alter this file do i have to reboot to see the settings take effect? | 23:13 |
| seb128 | rurti, I would say just start a new session | 23:13 |
| rurti | seb128: ok give me a minute to test this out please, i really do appreciate you patience with me on this | 23:14 |
| seb128 | np | 23:15 |
| rurti | ok | 23:17 |
| rurti | seb128: i was reading the document ion in this file, ENV_PATH is what my path is set to, it says they are minimal and to add the rest in the shell at startup. do you know what this means? | 23:18 |
| seb128 | it means to not change logins.def but rather try to do what you were trying to do | 23:19 |
| seb128 | try asking on #ubuntu-devel maybe how to add a dir to your PATH for the desktop environment | 23:19 |
| rurti | ic thank you very much you have been helpful, i think this may be the problem. | 23:20 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, there's a nice helpful comment at the end of bug 44082 now | 23:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 44082 in hundredpapercuts "GNOME Panel icons (on right side) move apparently randomly on session start in some situations" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44082 | 23:26 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, you mean mine? | 23:29 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - oh, did you comment too? i only noticed from what was in my inbox | 23:29 |
| chrisccoulson | from josh leverette | 23:29 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, just a "you would have better used your time working on the issue rather than on such comments" | 23:30 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - oh, i didn't realise you'd already commented. i wasn't referring to your comment anyway ;) | 23:30 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 23:30 |
| seb128 | I never had my application menu moving | 23:31 |
| seb128 | I do sometime have applets on the other side though | 23:31 |
| chrisccoulson | i must admit, i've noticed the applets moving a few times since getting my laptop | 23:32 |
| chrisccoulson | it's normally after i undock though | 23:32 |
| seb128 | I guess it happens after geometry changes too | 23:32 |
| seb128 | does anybody know if you can set the wm buttons order from a theme? | 23:33 |
| RAOF | Alright! F-spot memory useage now goes up *and* down :) | 23:55 |
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