[00:25] * RAOF wins the “don't dispose the pixbuf immediately *before* using it” award. [00:37] heh [00:38] Would you believe that the image doesn't get displayed if you dispose it just before queuing the draw? :) [00:45] heh [02:13] woohoo, the magic env variable to make mutter not slow things to a crawl - CLUTTER_VBLANK=none [02:15] Sarvatt: Isn't our OpenGL infrastructure totally awesome? :) [02:25] RAOF: 1! [02:26] lifeless: !! [02:29] I suppose that it'd be polite to suggest to users that they save their changes if they quit f-spot's view mode with unsaved changes... [07:33] good morning === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:45] Good morning === pts is now known as pths [07:47] debfx: brightness_in_hardware> I don't know; it's just hardcoded like that in the hal source (not in hal-info) [07:48] RAOF: how is f-spot coming along? making you weep? [07:48] pitti: It's not so bad. [07:50] It'd be easier if they had some sort of policy as to who has responsibility for Dispose()ing pixmaps, but it's mostly done. [07:50] ah, that's the memleak you mentioned? [07:51] RAOF: nice! out of interest, did you have to rewrite half the browser code, or were the building blocks mostly there and just need to be re-plumbed? [07:51] The building blocks were mostly there. [07:52] Really its been a matter of ensuring that everything's updated when it needs to be. [07:52] And fixing miscelaneous bugs where things have been disposed when they shouldn't be :) [07:53] And with that, I'm off for a brisk walk. I'll be back later to polish f-spot a little more. [08:03] RAOF: good luck, and good night! === pts is now known as pths [08:14] didrocks, Keybuk: hmm, strange; current netbook daily has the new ubiquity which is supposed to copy the background image cache, but this still doesn't seem to work on http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/20100308-max-netbook.png [08:15] pitti: Keybuk: that's strange, can you put some traces to ensure you have a bg cache after install, before reboot? [08:16] pitti: I didn't tried the last version merged yet, I can try with latest daily [08:16] didrocks: I'll download and install the current daily in installer-only mode, and check [08:17] I'm doing the same :) [08:24] didrocks: this thing is like a vampire, so hard to kill :( [08:27] pitti: right. It seems like a ghost to me. Always hunting me :( [08:30] pitti: hold on, there is no gnome-update-wallpaper-cache on the system [08:31] hah [08:31] and g-s-d doesn't provide it anymore [08:31] where was it destined to be? g-s-d? casper? ubiquity? [08:31] g-s-d finally [08:32] I'm rebuilding the package, it seems to have debian/rules and debian/*.c needed bits [08:32] ok, great; please upload that one then, and we'll check tomorrow's daily [08:33] (no need to waste time on a manual test now) [08:33] right :) [08:40] good morning there [08:42] hey seb128, did you have a good week-end? [08:46] bonjour seb128 [08:48] hey didrocks pitti [08:48] quite good yes [08:48] you? [08:49] I had a great one; helped my grandparents with their moving, got some new furniture through that :) and did some walking and fresh air [08:49] really good needed week-end: feel rested :) [08:50] nice! [08:51] ok, today will be busy again [08:51] new GNOME [08:51] some thousand weekend emails [08:51] let's see how much people have been complaining about bugs in the new artwork too [08:55] seb128, could you please renew my membership in desktop-bugs? [09:22] seb128: do you happen to know why evolution builds libgdata1.2 and we have a separate libgdata source? [09:22] no [09:23] ok, thanks [09:23] they still do? [09:23] I was thinking about libical [09:23] ignore that [09:24] o_O [09:24] evolution builds libgdata1.2-dev and build-depends on it at the same time [09:27] pitti, it's coming from eds no? [09:27] pitti, evo is not building any lib [09:27] ah, probably [09:28] seb128: I'll have a look whether we can build totem against evo's lib, then we could drop libgdata [09:28] good luck [09:28] seb128: I'm currently checking duplicated libs in lucid, I'll send mail and create a wiki page [09:28] I would do it the other way around rather though [09:28] ok [09:28] build evo against libgdata? [09:28] yes [09:29] libgdata is separate lib and being actively worked [09:29] okay [09:29] I'm not sure the e-d-s one is being worked at all [09:29] * pitti marks libgdata as "primary" package then [09:30] well that's a first though thing [09:30] you might want to check both option [09:30] *nod* [09:41] good morning everyone [09:42] hey chrisccoulson, good morning! had a good weekend? [09:44] hey chrisccoulson [09:45] hey seb128, pitti [09:45] yeah, my weekend was ok thanks [09:45] did you both have a good weekend? [09:45] excellent thanks [09:45] noticed a warning in Xorg.0.log on one machine: Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory) [09:45] fighting though 600 bug emails now [09:46] hey sabdfl [09:46] acpid is running, with the same parameters as it is on another machine [09:46] morning seb128, how was your weekend? [09:46] seb128 - yeah, i've got quite a few mails too [09:46] hey sabdfl - i don't think that warning is anything to be worried about [09:46] sabdfl, excellent, thanks! how was yours? [09:46] could it be a race at startup? is there any dependency between acpid startup and X? [09:47] seb128: super thanks, though I went to CT for one night only and got the night wrong [09:47] sigh [09:47] who gets married on a Friday? [09:48] sabdfl: indeed, gdm's upstart job does not have a dependency on acpid [09:48] none of the people I know who got married at least [09:48] * pitti got married on a Friday, why? [09:49] pitti, better during weekends when people can come in the afternoon without having to take a day off work or still be in work mood? ;-) [09:49] seb128: we didn't want to wait another year :) we wanted to have the wedding on an anniversary [09:50] seems a good reason indeed ;-) [09:54] pitti - sabdfl - bug 496859 FYI [09:54] Launchpad bug 496859 in gdm "*dm upstart job should depend on acpid because X tries to connect to acpid socket very soon after starting." [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496859 [09:54] Hello Ladies & Gentlemen [09:54] chrisccoulson: I was actually wondering what X would want with ACPI events [09:54] bonjour baptistemm [09:54] hey baptistemm [09:54] Hi pitti [09:54] pitti - yeah, me too [09:56] chrisccoulson: what happens if X doesn't get acpid.socket on the first go? [09:57] can X retry that later? [09:57] it seems that it would be better to be loosely coupled rather than have a hard dependency [09:57] sabdfl, i'm not really sure, but Keybuk seems to suggest in that bug report that X doesn't really really need to connect to the socket in the first place [09:59] all potentially interesting apci events, such as lid closing or power button are handled in g-p-m; X wouldn't have enough knowledge to handle them sanely, FWIW [10:00] that's good to know, i see Bryce hasn't expressed an opinion yet though [10:00] asac, Hi [10:01] asac, bluez 4.62 is out with API breakage fixed. [10:03] X doesn't need acpid [10:03] that code should be removed from the server altogether [10:04] baptistemm: good ;) ... is it ready? [10:05] pitti: someone said you know why suspend/resume does reliably not work since lucid anymore on my X61s thinkpad? something about missing quirks [10:05] ? [10:06] asac: I fixed quirks during the sprint [10:06] if it still doesn't work, it's not a quirks problem [10:06] asac: nvidia? [10:06] asac, ready to ? I didn't had a look to it yet, I'm at work now [10:07] ;) [10:08] pitti: thats lenovo ... so some intel graphics. .. let me check [10:08] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) [10:08] 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) [10:08] tjaalton: ah, i pinged Bryce for comment on that, if you could add your comments that would be useful [10:08] to the bug, that is [10:08] sabdfl: done, and moved to xorg-server [10:09] asac: i965 has never needed quirks in the first place [10:09] asac: (everything newer than i915, in fact) [10:09] asac: also, KMS does not need quirks [10:09] asac: what's broken? [10:09] pitti: it never suspends [10:10] it tries, but then loops and i have to hit the power button [10:10] asac: oh, it just comes back immediately without suspend? that's not a quirks problem at all [10:10] asac: check /var/log/pm-suspend.log [10:10] no ... it doesnt go down, but never comes back [10:10] perhaps one of the suspend.d scripts fails [10:10] let me check [10:11] hmm [10:11] i get two things that dont look like "success" [10:11] /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/49bluetooth thaw hibernate:Returned exit code 1. [10:11] (i dont hibernate ever) [10:11] no, that's "thaw" [10:11] that's resuming from hibernate [10:12] asac: is only hibernate broken, or suspend as well? [10:12] i never ever did hibernate ;) [10:12] but thaw is from hibernate [10:12] suspend is broken [10:12] yeah. no idea why its there. [10:12] suspend -> resume [10:12] hibernate -> thaw [10:12] /etc/pm/sleep.d/action_wpa suspend suspend:success. [10:12] Wed Mar 3 12:01:33 CET 2010: performing suspend [10:12] Initial commandline parameters: [10:12] Wed Mar 3 16:06:48 CET 2010: Running hooks for suspend. [10:12] /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/000kernel-change suspend suspend:success. [10:12] asac: perhaps delete the log, try one suspend, and then check the log? [10:12] thats the other that isnt really unsuccessful, but that complains [10:12] yeah [10:12] let me do that [10:13] ... later tonight. stay tuned [10:13] ok :) [10:40] pitti: on my laptop brightness_switch_enabled is Y, so hal sets brightness_in_hardware to true even though brightness isn't handled in hardware [10:41] so what component is reposible for setting brightness_switch_enabled to N for those laptops? [10:42] debfx: the kernel, it's an attribute in /sys/module/video/parameters/ [10:43] pitti: yes, but which kernel module actually modifies the attribute? [10:43] debfx: "video" [10:43] oh, wait, it's a module parameter, not something that the kernel detects [10:44] I suppose it's just the default in our kernel [10:44] debfx: it's entirely possible that the hal test is wrong; I don't know why it does that [10:45] thanks tjaalton [10:50] mvo, hey [10:50] mvo, do you get bug 477127 too or just triaged it? [10:50] Launchpad bug 477127 in software-center "gnome-panel menu entry for software-center is missing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/477127 [10:51] seb128: a guy in #ubuntu-testing has it (czajkowski) [10:52] seb128: I just added the gnome-panel task as its doing the magic to put the entry there, right? [10:52] czajkowski, there? [10:52] seb128: I am [10:52] mvo, no, it's in the gnome-menus description [10:52] oh, sorry. should I reassign or will you? [10:52] czajkowski, where is the entry missing? in the application menu? under GNOME? [10:52] mvo, trying to figure there what happens the bug description is not really clear [10:53] mvo, I will reassign then ;-) [10:53] ok, thanks! [10:53] seb128: back when I upgraded to karmic I noticed it. clicking on applications and going to end of menu where add/remove applications is displayed. [10:54] czajkowski, did you try cleaning out ~/.config/menus? [10:54] czajkowski, do you get the issue in a guest session? [10:54] chrisccoulson: nope I can do tonight and let folks know [10:54] seb128: shall check that also [10:54] machine isn't here unfortunately [10:54] or is that specific to your user? [10:54] ok [10:54] I will comment on the bug [10:55] ok I didnt report the bug, just found it and commented on it. [11:02] pitti: I guess the test is wrong as it doesn't check if the video module is actually capable of handling brightness changes [11:32] seb128: do you know whether anyone is particularly attached to pan? (newsreader); it's only seeded in the DVD seed [11:32] pitti, I doubt it [11:32] I mean people probably use it, but I don't think anybody look at its bugs, updates, etc [11:33] seb128: ok to unseed from DVD and demote? [11:33] I would move it to universe if that's the question [11:33] yes [11:33] alright, doing; merci [11:33] de rien [11:34] bah [11:35] new icon theme bring back an not noticable message indicator [11:35] I just noticed it was slightly bold [11:35] I got a message 2 hours ago which was sitting there :-( [11:36] yeah, I'm missing some messages as well because of that again [11:37] * pitti wants it to blink [11:39] chrisccoulson: do you know whether we plan to update tracker? 0.7 doesn't use the obsolete gmime2.0 any more [11:40] (it drops it completely) [11:40] our version still uses it in the evolution and kmail indexer [11:41] pitti - not this cycle. there's a blocker for updating to 0.7 at the moment, else i would have done it by now [11:41] chrisccoulson: ok, thanks; I'll try to build against 2.4 then [11:41] the current 0.7 branch doesn't handle ontology changes (which still occur often), and currently require users to manually erase their database and reindex on upgrade [11:41] once that is fixed, they're going to do a stable 0.8 release [11:42] but that is lucid+1 material now [11:42] chrisccoulson: ok, thank you [12:12] seb128: chrisccoulson: taking g-s-d update [12:12] didrocks - thanks [12:27] chrisccoulson: g-s-d is waiting for new gnome-desktop release, I'm taking g-c-c in the meantime :) [12:38] seb128: it seems you were disconnected: taking g-c-c [12:38] didrocks, there is a g-c-c update? ok [12:38] yep :) [12:38] didrocks, can you take the patch from bug 533888 [12:38] Launchpad bug 533888 in gnome-control-center "default applications capplet doesn't recognize banshee" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/533888 [12:39] seb128: sure, thanks for the notice :) [12:39] np [12:39] thank you for doing the update [12:39] no pb :) [12:40] yes I got disconnected apparently [12:41] seb128: I told also that I would take g-s-d, but it depends on new libgnome-desktop not yet released [12:41] ok [12:41] why do they keep doing that after freezes? ;-) [12:41] I blame vuntz! [12:42] of course, everybody blame vuntz btw :-) [12:46] Morning [12:56] good morning bratsche [12:57] hey bratsche [12:57] bratsche, back to the other side of the ocean? ;-) [12:58] Hey didrocks, seb128.. yeah I'm back home now. Keep waking up around 5am now by that's okay I guess. :) [12:58] ;-) [12:59] didrocks, I will do the g-s-d update later, I've an another change to do there so when I do gnome-desktop I will do that too [13:01] seb128: ok, I just had bumped the gnome-desktop dep and refreshed debian/patches/90_autoreconf.patch, do you want me to push them (knowing that I've already pushed something later this morning)? [13:02] that's 3s, but as you'll have to pull in any case :) [13:02] didrocks, yes please, I will just add my change and upload when I do gnome-desktop so I can testbuild and upload [13:02] ok [13:02] thanks === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:03] y/w [13:11] asac, no thanks to you for saturating my download with tons of rebuilds :p [13:14] seb128: the rebuild happened over the weekend ;) [13:14] be happy that i didnt bust the builders during your work hours [13:14] :-P [13:14] right === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl === andreasn_ is now known as andreasn [13:20] * didrocks is wondering what score asac soyuz karma today can be :) [13:21] lol [13:21] not that much ... 43667 [13:22] i think the first 100 packages were not fully counted as those were copied from a ppa [13:28] seb128, good morning [13:28] seb128, can you sponsor gwibber for me? [13:28] kenvandine, hey [13:28] kenvandine, can do [13:28] lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gwibber/ubuntu [13:29] ok [13:29] and, i would like some advice on libubuntuone [13:29] lp:ubuntu/libubuntuone [13:29] it adds the mono bindings, but they are unversioned [13:29] so i patched it to version them [13:29] but directhex doesn't agree they should be versioned [13:32] seb128: btw, i wanted to commit the libgnome-keyring fix i did to the bzr branch in controll .... however that doesnt exist (the project doesnt exist) [13:32] kenvandine, hum, could you give the reasons why he thinks they should not? [13:32] his comment was they should be unversioned and apps that depend on it should copy the dll in at build time [13:32] which i guess banshee does [13:32] so i couldnt do that [13:32] ;) [13:32] seb128, and he said his assumption is that libu1 isn't abi stable yet... but i certain hope it is [13:32] asac, ups, sorry about that, feel free to push there which will create it [13:32] now that other apps will depend on it :) [13:33] rodrigo_, did you look at that merge proposal? [13:33] seb128: it will create the project? [13:33] asac, libgnome-keyring has been splitted from gnome-keyring recently and I was not sure if we should use the canonical location or the team one [13:33] i dont know either [13:33] would thin same project [13:33] asac, hum, ok, do nothing I will sort that with the next update [13:33] I guess we will use the canonical location [13:33] like gnome-keyring/lib.ubuntu ;) [13:33] ubuntu/libgnome-keyring [13:33] kenvandine, yes, looks good to me, just wanted to confirm with you if that's what we want, since directhex mentions doing it differently? [13:34] hmm [13:34] it's small enough than having source in bzr is ok [13:34] right [13:34] so we already have it ;) [13:34] asac, basically it means you have nothing to do the source importer should have taken care of it [13:34] just update control [13:34] I will drop the vcs in control [13:34] true [13:34] asac, right, thanks for pointing it [13:34] welcome [13:37] rodrigo_, we would need to do the signing [13:38] kenvandine, ok, let's ask directhex to propose a branch, since he knows how it should be done, ok? [13:38] rodrigo_, to get aquarius and his beta testers moving i uploaded to the ppa [13:38] sure [13:38] :) [13:38] kenvandine, yeah, aquarius told me [13:48] ok, 5 hours later I'm done dealing with weekend emails [13:49] that includes 600 bug emails too [13:50] seb128: that's impressive. Do you have some tweaks in evolution for standard answers and use the mail interface or do you use greasemonkey? [13:50] * pitti hugs seb128 [13:50] greasemonkey [13:50] I go through unread emails in my email client [13:51] keep basically one by bugs I want to comment on [13:51] clean everything which has been triaged or I don't care about by marking as read [13:51] then I go through the unread ones and click on the url for each [13:51] and reply or use stock reply there [13:51] * seb128 hugs pitti [13:51] isn't that too slow to load every page you're interested in? (maybe just my firefox is dying) [13:51] the gnome-keyring screen unlock hangs should be fixed too [13:52] which is a good week start ;-) [13:52] sweet \o/ [13:52] that was one of the annoying bugs I wanted fixed this week [13:52] thanks upstream for working during weekends :p [13:52] heh :) [13:52] didrocks, I keep a firefox open on the same workspace [13:52] it adds tabs [13:52] I can queue a bunch and go through loaded tabs [13:53] right, but the javascript part is terribly slow on my computer (I have 20 tabs opened + the launchpad one)… That's why I wonder how you deal with that :) [13:54] what javascript? [13:54] I click on the "+" to display the "change settings and add comment"s [13:54] do my changes or click on the greasemonkey and commit [13:55] then go to next tab while it ping pong with launchpad [13:55] there is loading or waiting involved that I can see there? [13:55] do you mean you use the ajax to change settings? [13:56] just clicking on + to show the change settings and even switching tab/scrolling in the page is slow with my firefox [13:58] I guess it's an issue with your firefox then [13:59] ok, I should try with a clean profile [14:01] seb128: taking gnome-menus and blaming vuntz :) [14:02] Good morning [14:02] good morning Nafai [14:02] didrocks, ;-) [14:02] hey nafa [14:02] hey Nafai [14:03] Morning didrocks seb128 [14:15] so, I've noticed one thing since the notification indicator was made mandatory on the desktop [14:15] ... it's always lit up [14:19] Keybuk, lit up? [14:19] seb128: yeah, always saying I have messages [14:20] weird [14:20] it's always e-mail [14:20] which is probably correct; I always have new mail [14:20] here the change between no message and a message is barely noticable === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:23] didrocks, doing the gvfs update [14:23] seb128: oki :) [14:25] chrisccoulson, btw I assigned you a notify-osd bug about nmapplet icons [14:25] chrisccoulson, kwwii said he was looking at getting a design decision about those so feel free to wait on that [14:26] chrisccoulson, the assignement + milestone was to keep it on our radar in some way [14:26] seb128 - thanks, no worries [14:41] didrocks, doing nautilus too [14:44] seb128: ok === robbiew_ is now known as robbiew [15:05] vuntz, is .92 the right time to add new bindings everywhere? [15:17] seb128, how is RAOF's f-spot work going? [15:18] rickspencer3, dunno I've not seen him today, .au - Europe overlap in the morning is short [15:18] ok [15:18] hey rickspencer3 [15:18] I will check when he's online tonight [15:18] seb128, also, anyone looking after bluetooth? [15:18] we tend to overlap rather in my evenings [15:18] rickspencer3: I quickly talked to him this morning, and he said "good" [15:18] rickspencer3, what about bluetooth? [15:18] I tried it on the plane and it seemed to be a bit wonky [15:18] rickspencer3: he said it's basically working, but there's a memleak to fix still [15:18] pitti is an early bird ;-) [15:19] the indicator and the bt dialog don't seem linked together really [15:19] hi pitti [15:19] great [15:19] good to hear [15:19] seb128, pitti do either of you have bluetooth you can test out? [15:20] I have a bt headset; what's wrong? [15:20] rickspencer3, I do, I've tested the indicator when uploading the changes [15:20] it just flat out didn't work on mini 10v [15:20] using a mouse or sending files to a phone [15:20] oh, I didn't use the BT indicator yet, I think [15:20] I'll try again today and log a propper bug [15:20] mini10v bluetooth is broken for me since the paris sprint [15:20] ah [15:20] it just has "enable bluetooth" [15:20] which doesn't enable anything [15:20] seb128, I enabled it in the bios [15:21] it's enable in the bios there [15:21] rickspencer3: I know about the problems with the indicator applet [15:21] I suppose it lacks bluetooth hardware or something :/ [15:21] it makes no difference ubuntu see it as off [15:21] hi Nafai, great [15:21] rickspencer3: I think jpetersen has fixed it [15:21] :) [15:21] Nafai, what problems? [15:21] * seb128 doesn't [15:21] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-bluetooth/+bug/528694 [15:21] Launchpad bug 528694 in gnome-bluetooth "application indicator does not refresh on/off state" [High,Triaged] [15:21] rickspencer3, I'm pretty sure it used to work in karmic [15:21] seb128, hmmm [15:21] Nafai, oh ok [15:21]