[03:57] <persia> Just FYI, I've created #ubuntu-packaging to handle support with packaging stuff for Ubuntu.  Someone should complain if they don't like the current ACCESS.
[05:21] <SpaceGhostC2C> Flannel: can we figure it out here?
[05:21] <Flannel> SpaceGhostC2C: Don't invite people to troll other channels.  There's nothing to figure out.
[05:22] <SpaceGhostC2C> Flannel: I invited them there. I didn't say, "Hey let's go laugh at these tards." I said there was a #jesus channel.
[05:22] <SpaceGhostC2C> If they wanted to chat about religion
[05:22] <SpaceGhostC2C> Which is the subject.
[05:22] <SpaceGhostC2C> Maybe it needs to be updated that you can't invite anyone to another channel.
[05:22] <Flannel> Your comment, "It's a lawl and a half", is sort of damning
[05:23] <SpaceGhostC2C> May be. You can't find humor in religion? I find a lot of my beliefs rather odd and even comical.
[05:24] <SpaceGhostC2C> Currently they said I didn't troll.
[05:24] <SpaceGhostC2C> Whether other users were trolling isn't my fault. I found the channel really funny after about 5 minutes when three other users joined and tried fault-finding in the bible.
[05:25] <Flannel> SpaceGhostC2C: What are we discussing anyway?  Would you like me to ban you from #ubuntu-offtopic so that you have a reason to come here and plead your case?
[05:25] <Flannel> I told you from the get go: You don't want to walk this line-- You will lose.
[05:25] <SpaceGhostC2C> I'm saying I didn't break rules. I didn't troll there.
[05:26] <Flannel> All I'm saying is if you troll places, or invite others to do so, you will find yourself banned.
[05:26] <persia> May I mediate?
[05:27] <SpaceGhostC2C> I think it would e fair.
[05:27] <Flannel> persia: I don't think there's anything to mediate, two statements of fact.
[05:27] <SpaceGhostC2C> I didn't troll, and I invited others. I said it was a lawl and a half because other people were trolling.
[05:27] <persia> Flannel: I see statements from both sides.  I don't see communication yet.  I'll happily stand back.
[05:28] <SpaceGhostC2C> I found it rather funny to watch people grep'ing through the bible trying to find contradictions.
[05:28] <SpaceGhostC2C> I think it all hinges whether I was trolling, and my stand and #jesus' is that I wasn't.
[05:29] <Flannel> SpaceGhostC2C: You actively trolling in that channel isn't important.  Your comment in -ot was one of encouraging people to join that channel for the purpose of amusement, not for the given purpose of that channel.
[05:30] <SpaceGhostC2C> I'm sorry I found people trying to troll amusing. I said that if they want to chat about religion that #jesus is a place they could go, and I added my synopsis of the current state of the channel.
[05:31] <Flannel> SpaceGhostC2C: Perhaps it'd be best if you simply refrained from doing so in the future then.
[05:31] <SpaceGhostC2C> Like currently Shaddowwolf is trolling. I'm asking the op his opinion.
[05:31] <SpaceGhostC2C> Sounds great. Thanks Flannel.
[06:29] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <SpaceGhostC2C> Hey, I was just wondering something, I asked Flannel if it was cool to say I enjoyed my time at the #jesus channel, and he said it wasn't.
[08:12] <SpaceGhostC2C> I didn't want to talk about it, but I had a good debate and we all ended happily, no hurt feelings, we even discussed VPS hosts for a while.
[08:13] <SpaceGhostC2C> I just wanted to tell the channel that the people in #jesus were pretty cool, but wanted to know first if it was okay and Flannel said it wasn't.
[08:15] <SpaceGhostC2C> Commentarios?
[08:16] <persia> Discussions related to religion are tricky, and it's easy to end up being misinterpreted.
[08:16] <SpaceGhostC2C> Earlier there was some issue dealing with trolling, which I wasn't taking part in, but mentioned when I said to a user who was talking about religion that he should come to #jesus and I mentioned that it was a lawl and a half because some -ot members were trolling.
[08:17] <jussi01> I think !o4o explains it pretty well
[08:17] <SpaceGhostC2C> persia: what I wanted to say had nothing to do with religion, just that the occupants of the channel were pretty cool.
[08:17] <persia> There's nothing wrong with saying that one enjoys another channel, or that the people in another channel are cool, but one has to be careful to not imply that people should be in that channel or that one's experience is related to a religious issue.
[08:18] <SpaceGhostC2C> I wanted to say this, "I had a pretty good time with the guys in #jesus."
[08:18] <jussi01> SpaceGhostC2C: use common sense. if it seems to create an issue, then just leave it. However, that said, any advertising or perceived advertising of other channels with out the channel owners consent is spam.
[08:19] <SpaceGhostC2C> It wasn't advertising, it was my thoughts on the people in it, and it didn't break rules. It wasn't about the content or topic of the channel, so I think that means that it is okay to say.
[08:19] <topyli> advertising channels is not often a good idea, unless asked. did someone ask you for jesus-related channels?
[08:19] <SpaceGhostC2C> topyli: at this time, I just wanted to say I had fun there. Nothing else.
[08:19] <SpaceGhostC2C> Not that anyone should go there.
[08:20] <persia> SpaceGhostC2C: The trick is that it's hard to find an audience to which it is safe to express that.  Do consider that the recipients of your message may have all sorts of interpretations to your words.
[08:20] <SpaceGhostC2C> Earlier, someone was interested in religion as a topic and I mentioned they could go to #jesus. I also lawled a bit at the -ot people who were trolling them, and then confirmed that the ops and other members of #jesus didn't think I was trolling.
[08:21] <SpaceGhostC2C> If I said, "I had a pretty good time with  the guys in #jesus."
[08:21] <SpaceGhostC2C> I might get the usual guff, but I doubt anyone would be offended.
[08:24] <SpaceGhostC2C> So, It'd be okay if I said just what I quoted? I wouldn't get kicked or banned for saying that I enjoyed my time spent in that channel for the last few hours?
[08:25] <Flannel> SpaceGhostC2C: No.
[08:25] <topyli> SpaceGhostC2C, looks like someone didn't like it, so don't do it
[08:25] <Flannel> SpaceGhostC2C: Earlier we talked about how it might be best if you refrained from things like that
[08:25] <SpaceGhostC2C> Pretty umm, stupid IMO. It's not !o4o.
[08:26] <SpaceGhostC2C> But op wishes are my command.
[08:26] <SpaceGhostC2C> Whether rules are broken or not, ops are God.
[08:26] <SpaceGhostC2C> Later.
[09:08] <Flannel> What's up with +es?  there haven't been any recently
[09:09] <Flannel> (that'd be exceptions for proxy users)
[09:10] <elky> that'd be why we just got abused in -proxy-users then
[09:11] <elky> maybe floodbot4 can't do them?
[09:11] <Flannel> status is normal, I'm not sure if the FBs are supposed to be opped anymore or not
[09:19] <elky> [20:19] == FloodBot4 invites you to join #ubuntu
[09:19] <elky> [20:19] == #ubuntu Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned
[09:22] <elky> that would be why
[09:22] <elky> !ops | O HAI GUISE! guess what!
[09:23] <elky> someone please hook floodbot4 in to ubottu for next time too, plxkthx
[09:25] <elky> Myrtti, can i borrow some scripty goodness when you wake plz?
[09:25] <elky> holy crap, it hasn't been /removing/ exempts.....
[09:26] <elky> I think i'll remove the ones that have been going since mid-february, what do you think, flannel?
[09:27] <elky> anything for feb to go?
[09:39] <Myrtti> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[09:39] <Myrtti> meh
[09:40] <elky> it's the bots that need fixing more
[09:40] <elky> there's exempts dating back to mid-feb
[09:40] <jpds> We have paste.u.c for a reason. ;)
[09:41] <Myrtti> jpds: the problem isn't with pastebin, it's my script. If you've got issues with how it works, you're free to make your own - I don't have time right now to debug mine.
[09:44] <Myrtti> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[09:44] <Myrtti> yeah, doesn't work.
[09:44]  * Myrtti goes back to work.
[09:52] <elky> yeah, im doing 1 at a time so it's not as invasive -- there's a crapton of floodbot exempts from february still
[09:56] <jpds> We should so have a /cs clear exempts
[09:58] <elky> except many of them will still be in use
[09:58] <elky> you'd have to be able to give it a date range imho
[10:05] <elky> indus, can we help?
[10:05] <indus> no
[10:07] <indus> wondering if there exists a #ubuntu+1 , there should be a #ubuntu -2 for hardy :)
[10:08] <Myrtti> why?
[10:08] <indus> anyways, when does the #ubuntu room get > 2000 users
[10:08] <elky> +1 is to separate out questions related to a system in active development, not because it's lts.
[10:08] <Myrtti> it's hardy is still supported just like karmic is
[10:08] <indus> ah never mind my questions, some problem with my head today
[10:08] <indus> bye
[10:09] <elky> The only fair reponse to that is "only today", I suspect.
[10:09] <elky> err, "only today?"
[10:10] <Myrtti> coffee consumed, back to work
[10:12] <elky> floodbot1 and floodbot2 done. floodbot3 and floodbot4 still need doing
[11:58] <elky> keep a watch on vishal. just tried to dcc a 0 byte file to me and then asked where to get software for ubuntu.
[11:58] <elky> he's quit now, but i've seen the nick floating around...
[12:44] <tomaw> anyone around?
[12:47] <persia> many folk.  Who do you need?
[12:47] <tomaw> #ubuntu is being botted but you've not noticed yet
[12:48] <tomaw> we've a utility that can automatically kill them but there's a chance of false positives
[12:48]  * persia can't do anything about Ubuntu, but with that context, maybe someone else can.
[12:48] <persia> s/Ubuntu/#ubuntu/
[12:51] <tomaw> I joined the bot as that's far too intensive to control manually
[12:53] <tomaw> and doing so has scared them somewhere else anyway
[12:59] <tomaw> or not.  I'm quite confident it's not hitting anything it shouldn't now but I'll remove it later in case that changes.
[13:00] <jussi01> tomaw: thanks for that.
[13:02] <elky> tomaw, thanks. usual suspects?
[13:03] <tomaw> I'm not sure.  We've not let them get enough bots in a channel to do whatever it is they intend to.
[13:04] <elky> I think I can cope with that answer :)
[13:05] <bazhang> thanks tomaw
[13:05] <tomaw> they're all listed in the efnet rbl but we don't use that for anything more than alerts as it contains some stuff we don't want to ban on automatically
[13:06] <tomaw> well, alerts and the occasional onjoin kill with idoru ;)
[17:45] <jussi01> SWAT: lol at the sudo crem :D
[18:37] <SWAT> jussi01: I also found it hilarious. We had quite the laugh about it
[18:43] <switchgirl> hi i have spotted behaviour  that is TOTALLY inappropriate and un ubuntu like - on launchpad - more like a-ban-too https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+question/103579 << the comment from terminate
[18:43] <switchgirl> what can i do
[18:47] <switchgirl> ignore me i misread it
[18:47] <switchgirl> sorry
[18:47] <mneptok> the unobfusctaed lamnguage is bad, but he's quoting others.
[18:47] <mneptok> bah.
[18:47] <genii> Weird
[18:48] <mneptok> indeed
[19:04] <jussi01> Ranakah: good evening! How may we help you today?
[19:04] <Ranakah> i am banned on #ubuntu because unstabble connection
[19:05] <Ranakah> i upgrade my router and there are some problems.. i fix this :)
[19:05] <Ranakah> sorry... good evening :)
[19:06] <mneptok> @login
[19:07] <ikonia> I see the ban
[19:07] <ikonia> I'll remove it if you like ?
[19:07] <Ranakah> please :)
[19:07] <ikonia> I assume you're connections stable looking at the scroll back now
[19:07] <Ranakah> i see.. now i use other tunnel :)
[19:08] <Ranakah> tnx for unban
[19:08] <Ranakah> have a nice day
[19:08] <ikonia> well I've removed the ban, I see you're connection is much better
[20:00] <topyli> again, can we please disable @lart?
[20:31] <erUSUL> anyone (half)awake ??
[20:32]  * mneptok is, as is Myrtti 
[20:34] <erUSUL> ok; tyvm
[21:20] <guntbert> hi, can someone have a look at bullgard ? he insists on asking people to "test video chat" with him. Or is my meter way off?
[21:21] <knome> just make sure the one who tests it is a hairy male
[21:21] <knome> :|
[21:21] <knome> (just kidding)
[21:21] <guntbert> knome: no - I'm being serious - is that something you'd let just pass?
[21:22] <knome> i'm not sure. did he actually try to set up his video, or just popped id?
[21:22] <knome> *in
[21:23] <guntbert> knome: oh - I didn't mention it was in #ubuntu - I told him it was off topic and he insists it is not...
[21:24] <knome> well, i can't do anything about #ubuntu...
[21:24] <knome> maybe just ignore him
[21:24] <knome> if he doesn't keep on insisting
[21:25] <guntbert> knome: thought so - from your nick :-) - well I'm gonna leave anyway - have a nice time
[21:25] <knome> hehe, i'm not a kde guy either ;)
[21:25] <knome> enjoy yourself as well
[21:26] <guntbert> knome: btw - if you omit my nick My client doesn't alert me when you address me :-)
[21:26] <knome> guntbert, heh, i know ;)
[21:27] <guntbert> knome: is much easier for me - gnight
[21:27] <knome> guntbert, night!
[21:38] <mneptok> IMO, asking for help in testing an app's functionality in #ubuntu is kosher.
[21:39] <knome> right
[21:40] <mneptok> of course, it depends on how you're asked.
[21:41] <mneptok> "I HOT MALE U MAKE HOT SEXY CHATS TO ME, AMERICAN BOOBLADY!!!!!1!!!!111!!" != kosher
[21:41] <knome> ;))
[21:56] <Jordan_U> remczas in #ubuntu is a bot.
[21:56] <Jordan_U> Maybe not.
[21:59] <Jordan_U> From talking to remczas in a PM it seems I was wrong. He just had a very bot like response to me triggering ubottu with "!google | theZagnut"