[00:19] <Lns> Ahmuck: what's wrong with it?
[04:54] <Ahmuck> hi alkisg
[04:54] <alkisg> Hello
[04:54] <Ahmuck> that time over there i suppose
[04:57] <alkisg> 7 am :)
[08:23] <proshnokorta> hi all
[08:24] <alkisg> Hi
[08:25] <proshnokorta> i have 4 old PCs with no cd or usb drive, so i need to install edubuntu over network
[08:26] <proshnokorta> in red hat i used diskboot.img or boot.iso to initiate the boot process, then choose the nfs install method
[08:27] <proshnokorta> what to do here?
[08:31] <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot#line-75
[08:32] <alkisg> There's a script there that lets you netboot
[08:37] <proshnokorta> i can't use the script because the place where i'm installing doesn't have internet access
[08:37] <proshnokorta> from what i understand, after setting up and running the pxe server
[08:38] <proshnokorta> when i start the PCs, they should automatically start as if using the live cd/dvd?
[08:40] <alkisg> Yes, but if you don't have internet access, you can't install nfs server
[08:40] <alkisg> So you can't use that.
[08:56] <proshnokorta> gahh...so there's no way then..
[08:57] <alkisg> proshnokorta: well, you can use that script on an existing installation
[08:58] <alkisg> proshnokorta: are you planning to go on those 4 PC with a laptop, and netboot them off of your laptop?
[08:58] <alkisg> Does that laptop have ubuntu/edubuntu on it?
[08:59] <alkisg> If so, just run the script on your main system when you have internet
[08:59] <proshnokorta> its downloading presently, i can put it up
[09:01] <proshnokorta> so i run the script on the laptop and it installs tftp and nfs etc...then i connect to the PCs and they should automagically start installation?
[09:01] <alkisg> That *would* be the case if you had internet there
[09:02] <alkisg> Now you'll need 1-2 more steps
[09:02] <proshnokorta> yes..
[09:03] <alkisg> See the script for details... you'll need to remove the "apt-get --yes --auto-remove purge nfs-kernel-server" etc
[09:08]  * alkisg guesses that it might even work without modifications, as the packages will be in cache so it won't have to fetch them over the net
[09:09] <alkisg> Try it locally, run it once while connected, and then while disconnected from the internet.
[09:10] <proshnokorta> yes, will test with my home pc...but with my net speed here, can only do so tomo...will tell you how it goes..
[09:10] <proshnokorta> thank you!
[09:11] <alkisg> np
[09:12] <proshnokorta> ciao
[12:49] <highvoltage> hi everyone
[13:28] <mgariepy> morning all
[13:59] <kmahl> yo people, i got one assignment and i don't know exacty how to solve it, i searched on google, but i think that probably one of you guys could solve it?
[13:59] <kmahl> Write a script using your favorite editor. The script should display the path to your homedirectory and the terminal type that you are using. Additionally it shows all the services started up in runlevel 3 on your system. (hint: use HOME, TERM and ls /etc/rc3.d/S*)
[14:26] <mhall119|work> kmahl: open a terminal, and run "echo $HOME" and "echo $TERM"
[14:26] <mhall119|work> you'll see what the assignment is wanting
[14:27] <kmahl> is xTERM the answer?
[14:28] <mhall119|work> what did "echo $TERM" print out?
[14:28] <kmahl> only xTERM
[14:28] <mhall119|work> then that's the answer
[14:29] <mhall119|work> it's different for different people
[14:29] <kmahl> what does it mean that it shows all the service started up in runlevel 3 on my system?
[14:29] <mhall119|work> okay, do you understand runlevels?
[14:30] <kmahl> i can search it
[14:30] <mhall119|work> yeah, you'll want to learn what runlevels are
[14:31] <mhall119|work> then the hint about "ls /e/tc/rc3.d/S*" will make sense
[14:34] <kmahl> yeah i think i got it now, thanks
[14:34] <mhall119|work> you're welcome
[14:35] <Ahmuck> hrm, btw, are there *nix exercises out there for people to try at an educational level?
[14:36] <mhall119|work> you might ask in #ubuntu-learning
[14:38] <Ahmuck> http://itbhu.ac.in/codefest/
[14:54] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:11] <joerg_> morning sbalneav
[16:12] <mhall119|work> [VOTE] Edubuntu Council to assume responsibility for edubuntu-dev, just passed
[16:53] <alkisg> Ugh, passed?
[16:57] <mhall119|work> yeah
[16:58] <mhall119|work> it was put up to a vote in #ubuntu-meeting
[16:58] <mhall119|work> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2010-February/003323.html
[16:59] <alkisg> Damn, where were we? :D
[17:01] <mhall119|work> I dunno, I was there
[17:02] <alkisg> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/09/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[17:03] <mhall119|work> well I wasn't talking...
[17:03] <mhall119|work> but I was still there
[17:04] <alkisg> Final  result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[17:04] <alkisg> So why did you say "passed"?
[17:05] <alkisg> So as of now, edubuntu council has assumed responsibility of edubuntu-dev... nice!
[17:07] <mhall119|work> passed == approved in US-en
[17:07] <ogra> yeah, its something different in greek :P
[17:07] <ogra> congrats !
[17:08]  * mhall119|work forgets sometimes that he's in international channels
[17:08] <ogra> mhall119|work, (i was joking on alkisg's cost)
[17:09] <alkisg> ah, sorry, I thought "passed == left for another time"
[17:09] <alkisg> like in, "want some candy?" "no, I'll pass..." :P
[17:09] <mhall119|work> no, that would be "passed on" or "passed over"
[17:09] <mhall119|work> English is a stupid language
[17:10] <ogra> passed in the right context even points to dead or unconcious ;)
[17:11] <alkisg> Bah, fortunately code is much less obscure than spoken languages :D
[17:11] <mhall119|work> passed (on|over|out|away)
[17:12] <mhall119|work> alkisg: except Perl
[17:12] <alkisg> Heh, you're right on that one ;)
[20:02] <mmartin12517> Hello, I am trying to get some information about the EDU version of Ubuntu
[20:03] <mmartin12517> I need to know if there is an application or program that will allow teachers to view and/or control user workstations
[20:05] <mmartin12517> Hello?
[20:05] <mmartin12517> This is the Support chat room for Ubuntu EDUCATIONAL version correct?
[20:06] <alkisg> mmartin12517: you can try italc
[20:06] <alkisg> Is that an LTSP setup, or a regular setup?
[20:07] <mmartin12517> We have not setup anything just yet we are collecting data before we make the change
[20:08] <alkisg> http://italc.sourceforge.net/
[20:08] <mmartin12517> Have you set up any labs in a school?
[20:09] <alkisg> Lots of them
[20:09] <mmartin12517> Great! I am trying to determine if moving to OS systems would be more beneficial to our students
[20:10] <alkisg> Mine were satisfied... but it always depends on what the needs are, what resources you have etc
[20:10] <mmartin12517> we have had a windows lab for as long as anyone can remember, with budget cuts we need to find an alternative or lay off more teachers
[20:10] <mmartin12517> we have roughly 300 workstations
[20:11] <alkisg> specs?
[20:11] <alkisg> (ram/cpu?)
[20:11] <mmartin12517> we use networked printers and the manufacturer supports Linux
[20:12] <mmartin12517> the systems are AMD Semp 2.10GHz with 3GB RAM
[20:12] <mmartin12517> however the Operating systems are substantially more than the computers cost
[20:12] <mmartin12517> even with an educational license
[20:13] <alkisg> With Linux it's also easier to maintain lots of pcs
[20:13] <mmartin12517> That is one of the major switching points we have been considering
[20:14] <alkisg> It was a nightmare to install programs and remove viruses etc with windows, but now with linux clusterssh enables me to install programs to all pcs simultaneously
[20:15] <mmartin12517> Yes, we have been using Putty for some of our tasks but we are restricted on many of the Windows machines due to permissions from the district
[20:18] <mmartin12517> what software would you recommend to install on the systems with Ubuntu?
[20:22] <mmartin12517> well thank you for your time, I will do more digging and will get back if I have anymore questions
[22:29] <Ahmuck> ouch, let a good one get away :/
[22:30] <Ahmuck> alkisg: ur not on ltsp anymore?
[22:30] <alkisg> ?
[22:30] <alkisg> What do you mean?
 clusterssh enables me to install programs to all pcs simultaneously
[22:31] <alkisg> Ahmuck: I'm in charge of several labs, so I've been looking at many different solutions
[22:32] <Ahmuck> ah.  i'm interested in your progress
[22:32] <alkisg> I've settled for thin + fat clients
[22:35] <Ahmuck> no "cloning" with centralized user/storage?
[22:36] <alkisg> No, it's not worth it
[22:36] <alkisg> Also it's easier to use student netbooks this way
[22:36] <alkisg> They just press f12 => boot from network, and they're working as fat clients
[22:37] <alkisg> With their documents on the server etc
[22:37] <Ahmuck> that's neat
[22:37] <Ahmuck> and they don't have to worry about thier netbook windows install :)
[22:37] <alkisg> Yup
[22:37] <Ahmuck> so r u using nubaes fat client setup?
[22:37] <alkisg> Half of them are not working or have a virus or don't have the edu apps...
[22:37] <alkisg> No, I'm using the "official" fat client plugin
[22:38] <Ahmuck> there's an official fat client plugin?
[22:38] <alkisg> Yes
[22:38] <Ahmuck> sudo aptitude install fat-client?
[22:38] <alkisg> Here's a small wiki page I wrote about it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
[22:40] <Ahmuck> no need to set each the mac address of each client it appears
[22:40] <alkisg> mac? what for?
[22:40] <alkisg> Only if you want to separate thin/fat clients
[22:40] <alkisg> Or you could use a menu...
[22:46] <alkisg> Goodnight all