[00:00] <rye[fixing-x]> notice update: the issues with nouveau overriding the nvidia module is related to /usr being on a separate partition.
[00:00] <poseidon> charlie-tca, is it supposed to take 30+ minutes for anything to show up after I select install?
[00:00] <poseidon> I waited 30 minutes and nothing ever showed up
[00:00] <charlie-tca> OTOH, it seems like a really ridiculous time to have to wait, huh
[00:01] <poseidon> How long did you have to wait?
[00:01] <charlie-tca> I don't think so. No other desktop cd takes as long as lucid to come up
[00:01] <poseidon> I'm using the 64 bit installer
[00:01] <charlie-tca> MIne is 13-18 minutes to the gdm screen, then it is garbled and I have to hit enter
[00:01] <charlie-tca> Then I have to log in, too
[00:02] <charlie-tca> User name is ubuntu, password is to hit enter
[00:02] <charlie-tca> (on the live cd
[00:02] <poseidon> I'm using the kubuntu live cd
[00:02] <charlie-tca> did you get a desktop?
[00:03] <poseidon> I waited 30 minutes and I didn't get anything after I selected install from the initial menu
[00:03] <poseidon> No loading, text, etc.
[00:04] <charlie-tca> Hitting enter/esc/anything don't work?
[00:04] <charlie-tca> My system is a P4, 1.5GHz, so I would guess 30 minutes is long enough
[00:05] <charlie-tca> Maybe use the alternate image instead?
[00:06] <poseidon> Is there a kubuntu daily build install cd?
[00:06] <poseidon> That might have the problem fixed.  I would assumed that it would be by now
[00:07] <charlie-tca> Normally here : http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[00:07] <charlie-tca> none today
[00:08] <BUGabundo> great
[00:08] <BUGabundo> going to a tty, closed my gdm and session :(
[00:08] <charlie-tca> Nobody is getting alternate updates except Ubuntu right now
[00:08] <charlie-tca> Not even server is updating daily
[00:09] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: harder to see that way?
[00:09] <lubosz> now running 195.36.08 on 2.6.32-16-generic again :)
[00:13] <lubosz> how do i check if a file is under package managment?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> "Please wait while bug data is processed. This page will refresh every 10 seconds until processing is complete." ??
[00:18] <rye[fixing-x]> BUGabundo, feature, not a bug
[00:20] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/534755
[00:21] <BUGabundo> don't you love this bugs?
[00:22] <h00k> So, I tried to enable compositing on my netbook in gconf (apps->metacity->general) and now the interface is broken. Is there a better way to do this?
[00:26] <crimsun> infecto: pong
[00:27] <dalailamer> Can someone tell me , why the hell i cannot install Java on 10.04 ubuntu ?
[00:27] <ZykoticK9> dalailamer, if you want sun-java just enable the partner repo in your software sources
[00:28] <dalailamer> whey its not automated ? the ubuntu no more want Java ?
[00:28] <ZykoticK9> dalailamer, the openjdk/jre are in the default repo
[00:28] <dalailamer> it uses KDJ instead of it , right ?
[00:29] <dalailamer> but they not running java applets :(
[00:29] <ZykoticK9> dalailamer, icedtea plugin required
[00:29] <h00k> Yeah, compositing with metacity is broked.
[00:31] <dalailamer> aha, i installed icedtea plugin , its better now.
[00:34] <BluesKaj-Laptop> odd, I thought the icedtea was default
[00:34] <dalailamer> me 2
[00:35] <dalailamer> it was installed, but not the plugin, dunno
[00:35] <lubosz> does anyone have this? i didn't have it in karmic, and it's old... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/400973
[00:35] <crimsun> lubosz: well, is your pulse daemon running?
[00:36] <BluesKaj-Laptop> ok, I always enable all the repos as soon as I finish an upgrade to a new release or install, that's probly why.
[00:37] <lubosz> crimsun: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/187213/
[00:37] <lubosz> i get "socket(): Address family not supported by protocol"
[00:41] <boodroscotch> Hi. I'm wondering if Lucid will contain the 2.6.33 (latest and greatest) kernel. Will it?
[00:42] <BUGabundo> NO
[00:42] <lubosz> NOOOO
[00:42] <boodroscotch> Why not? it's before the kernel freeze...
[00:43] <sebsebseb> boodroscotch: I think basically since the other one will be supported upstream for three years
[00:43] <boodroscotch> aaaahhhh.
[00:43] <sebsebseb> boodroscotch: and they  have already patched  the 2.6.22 kernel with some 2.6.33 stuff apparantly.  anyway it seems the last two years Ubuntu will have to do the 2.6.22 kernel on their own
[00:43] <crimsun> boodroscotch: the major kernel version is decided long before kernel freeze.
[00:43] <boodroscotch> since since lucid's and LTS release and so...yeah
[00:44] <sebsebseb> boodroscotch: remember five years of support for LTS on the server
[00:44] <crimsun> at least two other major distros have signed up to use 2.6.32 as a long-term kernel moving forward, so it makes sense to use it
[00:44] <sebsebseb> so it seems Ubuntu will have to support it on their own eventually with security updates
[00:44] <sebsebseb> crimsun: oh, didn't know that, and which distros?
[00:45] <crimsun> red hat enterprise linux and debian
[00:45] <sebsebseb> crimsun: well in that case, I guess upstream may support it for as long as the  distros are still using it
[00:45] <boodroscotch> makes sense. those two distros are very slow-moving
[00:45] <sebsebseb> crimsun: oh Debian well no suprise there, since  Ubuntu basically takes Debian, and then does it's editing to it.
[00:45] <crimsun> sebsebseb: erm, no.
[00:46] <crimsun> sebsebseb: Ubuntu's kernel does not share much with Debian's
[00:46] <sebsebseb> crimsun: yes a bit of editing to Debian, plus some of Ubuntu's own stuff
[00:46] <sebsebseb> crimsun: oh your on about the kernel, I meant in general the whole distro
[00:46] <crimsun> sebsebseb: yes, in general it's certainly based on Debian
[00:46] <boodroscotch> I think it's because Debian and RHEL only do very periodical releases. I mean, did you notice how long debian took to finish up Lenny?
[00:47] <sebsebseb> boodroscotch: yeah  quite a while before  Debian release a new stable version, it seems
[00:51] <boodroscotch> just out of curiosity, doesn't Debian use the (unfinished) GNU hurd kernel too?
[00:55] <thebwt> what is the correct way to alter grub.cfg? (I know it uses templates, I need to add acpi=off to my entries)
[00:56] <thebwt> working from
[00:56] <Volkodav> !grub2
[00:56] <thebwt> there we g, thanks a ton
[00:56] <Volkodav> np
[01:06] <vbabiy> What is the best way to report a bug about resuming from a suspend
[01:06] <cousteau> virtualizing lucid UNE alpha3, the Show desktop icon doesn't seem to work
[01:06] <cousteau> (live CD)
[01:10] <cousteau> and I think the desktop is too heavy for a netbook, maybe switching to something like xfce or lxde or openbox and removing some of those fancy effects would be a good idea
[01:13] <cousteau> maybe I install it on a virtual machine and play with it and see if all that can do
[01:18] <cousteau> cos I don't know if maximus/UNE launcher/window picker would work outside gnome
[01:38] <cousteau> also, the logout/poweroff app seems broken
[01:39] <cousteau> (not the panel button, but the icon on Favorites)
[01:43] <rickfosb> I'm having a 'low grahics mode' issue;  any method available to address that? (01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] (rev 15))
[01:55] <router> what do you guys think of the Ubuntu color change in 10.04?
[01:56] <ZykoticK9> router, the color change (except for the terminal) is non-controversial, but moving the buttons to the left on windows (a la Mac) has caused no shortage of controversy
[01:58] <h00k> I really like them over there ^.^
[01:58] <DanaG> And it's not even "a la mac".
[01:58] <DanaG> it's more like "fail" -- the 'close' button is in the wrong place.
[01:59] <supermatt1000> hay
[01:59] <ZykoticK9> DanaG, i must say with the buttons on the left I prefer close/maximize/minimize - but the theme doesn't really permit that
[01:59] <seanbrystone> I think it's 'hey', but hay there :)
[01:59] <supermatt1000> i got a question about lucid
[02:00] <DanaG> And unfortunately, it forcibly tramples on all other themes that default to the right.
[02:00] <supermatt1000> will the theme mannager be the same? or will i lose my existing theme
[02:00] <rickfosb> DanaG: I'm still dragging the cursor all over the screen to minimize the window :)
[02:00] <supermatt1000> any one no?
[02:00] <ZykoticK9> supermatt1000, with some tweeking it's the same - but a matter of moving the buttons and it's the same
[02:01] <supermatt1000> just like as soon as i upgrade its still there i guess
[02:01] <supermatt1000> like every looks the same
[02:01] <supermatt1000> if that makes any sence
[02:02] <ZykoticK9> supermatt1000, i haven't tried any upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 -- let alone after the theme changes from the last few days - not really sure how it's going to react
[02:02] <supermatt1000> ok ill wait and see cause if thats the case that i will lose my theme i will just do a reinstall
[02:03] <supermatt1000> i got every thing i need on a partion
[02:03] <ZykoticK9> supermatt1000, best to ask in this channel closer to release day (perhaps by then people will know for sure)
[02:03] <Radio-b> it's safe to assume that things will be different
[02:03] <ZykoticK9> supermatt1000, but personally i think it's always better to clean install vs upgrade
[02:04] <supermatt1000> i do like the new themes especially the black one
[02:05] <sebsebseb> supermatt1000: I am not that keen on either of them
[02:05] <sebsebseb> also  I thought  Lucid was meant to be more transparant, but that got delayed
[02:05] <sebsebseb> or something
[02:06] <supermatt1000> i actually hope they make a red one
[02:07] <supermatt1000> i wonder if there was a problem with compiz or something
[02:07] <supermatt1000> because of its window decorator
[02:08] <supermatt1000> i like the new interface because it looks more modern more smother and less edges
[02:09] <supermatt1000> what do you think?
[02:09] <ZykoticK9> supermatt1000, i agree - it does look better, but personally find the usability way down.  And although i like eye-candy, not this much.
[02:10] <supermatt1000> true
[02:10] <ZykoticK9> it's certainly a personal preference - some people really like the new themes, most it seem do not
[02:11] <supermatt1000> i think it will attracts the younger crowd and will will make more people interested in ubuntu
[02:11] <ZykoticK9> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422422 right is still WAY ahead
[02:11] <supermatt1000> more people more coders
[02:12] <supermatt1000> what is left and what is right
[02:12] <supermatt1000> ?
[02:12] <ZykoticK9> the buttons
[02:13] <ZykoticK9> close,maximize,minimize are on the left now
[02:13] <ZykoticK9> by default - can be changed of course
[02:13] <supermatt1000> o ok
[02:14] <supermatt1000> i like them on the right
[02:14] <supermatt1000> are they moving them in lucid
[02:14] <supermatt1000> i dident even relize that
[02:14] <cousteau> I guess it's only the default theme and that it could be easily changed
[02:14] <ZykoticK9> supermatt1000, take care man, sorry no luck on joy2key.  Yes they are moved now on Lucid Alpha
[02:14] <supermatt1000> no problem i got a good discusson out of it
[02:15] <supermatt1000> id like it if it wasent for the buttons being on the right
[02:15] <ZykoticK9> cousteau, part of the problem is once you use the new theme, it applies to all other themes -- it's not hard to switch but you need to use gconf-editor to do it, so not easy for beginners
[02:16] <supermatt1000> ill adapt
[02:16] <cousteau> oh, really? I thought the buttons position was only part of the theme
[02:16] <supermatt1000> i do wonder how wine will react to it though
[02:16]  * cousteau is going to make a window theme which has buttons on the bottom right
[02:16] <supermatt1000> because windows by default has the buttons on the right
[02:17] <cousteau> afaik, historically, almost all window environments had those buttons on the right
[02:17] <Radio-b> os x places them on the left
[02:17] <Radio-b> what is the point
[02:17] <supermatt1000> true
[02:17] <cousteau> except win 3.1 which had a [-] on the left
[02:17] <Radio-b> you're either left or right handed
[02:17] <cousteau> Radio-b: mac os 9 or so didn't
[02:17] <Radio-b> or middle handed
[02:18] <supermatt1000> most people are right handed so it makes sence to put it on the right
[02:18] <Radio-b> which doesn't fall under x
[02:18] <cousteau> and nobody yet has had the good idea of merging all 3 buttons on a single one
[02:18] <cousteau> and use left/middle/right click to maximize/close/minimize
[02:19] <supermatt1000> they did that to a mouse?
[02:19] <cousteau> no, I meant the window buttons, merge them and use the mouse buttons instead
[02:19] <Radio-b> it can be configured
[02:19] <Radio-b> there will always be a way
[02:20] <supermatt1000> they douldent use the middle cause of laptops that just have a touch pad
[02:20] <cousteau> yes, I thought on that... maybe there should be a 2-buttons alternative
[02:21] <cousteau> the problem is that laptops are windows-oriented, and on windows the only use they managed to give to the middle button was a pointless "auto-scroll"
[02:21] <supermatt1000> maybe you hold shift of something right click three balls go around your mouse and you hit minimize of close or maximize
[02:22] <supermatt1000> just a thought
[02:23] <supermatt1000> either way i cant wait for the new os it keeps getting better and better
[02:23] <cousteau> or gestures: drag up = maximize, drag down = minimize, (right) click = close... somebody would kill me for that
[02:24] <supermatt1000> lol
[02:24] <cousteau> also, tapping the scrolling zone on the touchpad should be a middle click, and the horizontal scroll a right click
[02:24] <supermatt1000> i dont have horizontal scroll i only have vertival
[02:24] <cousteau> (I proposed it on ubuntu brainstorm and people almost kill me)
[02:24] <supermatt1000> lol
[02:25] <cousteau> supermatt1000: isn't that independent of the touchpad?
[02:25] <supermatt1000> yah
[02:25] <supermatt1000> dont no how to configure it
[02:25] <cousteau> like, a touchpad just tells the position of the finger, and sometimes other params like pressure, multi-touch info, etc
[02:26] <cousteau> try System > Prefs > Mouse
[02:26] <supermatt1000> found a program
[02:26] <cousteau> maybe
[02:26] <supermatt1000> ill see if it has the option
[02:26] <supermatt1000> yes it does
[02:28] <supermatt1000> nope it has the option but doesent work
[02:28] <supermatt1000> what ever i dont need it
[02:29] <supermatt1000> i love eye candy
[02:29] <supermatt1000> i got a nice my computer themed just how i like it red
[02:29] <supermatt1000> with a black tux start bar
[02:31] <KnifeySpooney> Hi, what is the gconf key to restore the icons that are missing from the Places and System menu?
[02:31] <KnifeySpooney> or if there's a way to do it in the GUI.. I remember it being in System > Prefs > Appearance..
[02:31] <ZykoticK9> KnifeySpooney, you can get the path or just use the command on http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[02:32] <ZykoticK9> KnifeySpooney, so sorry - now that's for the right side thing.  I don't know man.
[02:32] <KnifeySpooney> ZykoticK9: Thanks but I don't mean the window buttons.. I have those changed already. I mean the icons next to the dropdown menu items in Places and System
[02:32] <KnifeySpooney> Oh ok, thanks
[02:33] <KnifeySpooney> I'll google a bit more :D
[02:33] <ZykoticK9> KnifeySpooney, ya, those icons are present on my system?
[02:33] <KnifeySpooney> System > Preferences item shows an icon next to it?
[02:33] <KnifeySpooney> and About Ubuntu
[02:34] <ZykoticK9> System / Preferences shows icons yes, but just System does not
[02:34] <KnifeySpooney> Yeah that's what i mean
[02:34] <KnifeySpooney> This has been like this since like 9.04.. they claim it's for easier usability but I don't believe it. There used to be a setting to change it somewhere
[02:40] <ZykoticK9> KnifeySpooney, /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons
[02:41] <KnifeySpooney> ZykoticK9: ah, thanks! I was at /desktop/gnome and was searching.. thanks again. that worked
[03:18] <Damascene> any one having vlc installed?
[03:18] <Volkodav> 1
[03:26] <Volkodav> котовский
[03:29] <Damascene> rtsp://216.39.218.21:554/encoder/barak.rm could some one test this on vlc only
[03:31] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, somes up with a lot of ????s and doesn't play here
[03:31] <ZykoticK9> s/somes/comes
[03:31] <Damascene> mmm
[03:31] <Damascene> so vlc on lucid can't play that rtsp stream
[03:32] <Damascene> I don't know how to find a link from another site to test
[03:34] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, "mplayer rtsp://216.39.218.21:554/encoder/barak.rm" does work.
[03:35] <Damascene> ok, thank. do you think it's vlc problem or codec problem
[03:37] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, let me try VLC again - it took mplayer a long time to start playing, maybe i didn't give vlc enough time
[03:37] <Damascene> rtsp://wduq-qt.streamguys.net:554/wduq.sdp works on vlc
[03:37] <bjsnider> it does not work in a much newer vlc with a much newer ffmpeg either
[03:37] <Damascene> bjsnider, do you mean it works with the older ones?
[03:37] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, in the terminal VLC spits out "Nothing to play for rtsp://216.39.218.21:554/encoder/barak.rm"
[03:37] <bjsnider> no, i mean the vc that exists in the karmic/lucid repos is old
[03:38] <bjsnider> vlc
[03:41] <bjsnider> and built against external ffmpeg that is even older than that
[03:41] <bjsnider> but i have much newer ones here and that rm stream still doesn't work
[03:42] <Damascene> ZykoticK9, mplayer plays it
[03:42] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, yup
[03:42] <Damascene> :S
[03:43] <Damascene> is there any special channel for codecs issues here?
[03:43] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, i doubt it makes a difference but i'm using mplayer-nogui from the nvidia-ppa
[03:43] <bjsnider> Damascene, ask in the #videolan channel
[03:44] <jason_> how does one determine which version of alpha they are on? I forgot which I installed
[03:45] <ZykoticK9> jason_, as long as you're keeping you system up-to-date it really doesn't matter.  Don't know how to tell, but I've heard when submitting bugs that it somehow knows - so there's got to be a way.
[03:46] <jason_> I've been up to date except today I didn't apply the updates because things seem stable I might hold off for a while, I still have not been able to get sound from my web browser but all works fine from the OS
[03:47] <ZykoticK9> jason_, by web browser do you mean Firefox?
[03:47] <jason_> yes
[03:47] <jason_> ZykoticK9, flash in particular
[03:48] <ZykoticK9> have to tried in Chromium?  i actually have sound in both mind you - just used ubuntu-restricted-extras to install
[03:49] <jason_> no haven't tried it yet
[03:50] <ZykoticK9> jason_, well chromium-browser is in the default lucid repo - might be worth a shot
[03:51] <bjsnider> jason_, how did you install flash?
[03:52] <jason_> ohh pandora works in chrome
[03:52] <jason_> must be something with firefox...
[03:52] <jason_> bjsnider, trying to remember now.... I think downloading the deb off flash's site
[03:53] <bjsnider> whatever
[03:53] <jason_> at least I have my sound in chrome thats a huge plus
[03:54] <ZykoticK9> jason_, chromium != chrome
[03:54] <jason_> right the same to me though
[03:54] <bjsnider> oh, don't start that thing again
[03:55] <jason_> bjsnider, ? huh
[03:55] <ZykoticK9> jason_, think he was talking to me.
[03:56] <jason_> it was my understanding that chromium is opensource while chrome is googles browser
[03:56] <ZykoticK9> jason_, yup
[03:56] <jason_> but essentially very similar
[03:56] <bjsnider> same code base either way but let's end it there
[03:57] <jason_> bjsnider, right
[04:00] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, the mplayer from the PPA seems to have less tearing then the repo version with vdpau - thanks for the tip the other day
[04:01] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, that's easy to believe since the repo version is very, very old
[04:02] <bjsnider> there shouldn't be any tearing at all
[04:02] <ZykoticK9> oh i "wish" that where true :)
[04:02] <bjsnider> are you using two monitors?
[04:03] <ZykoticK9> yes - how did you know
[04:03] <bjsnider> do they have different cyns timings?
[04:03] <bjsnider> sync
[04:03] <ZykoticK9> not that i'm aware of - they're both LCDs
[04:03] <bjsnider> check in nvidia-settings
[04:03] <bjsnider> it will tell you what the timings are precisely
[04:04] <bjsnider> on one monitor there is no tearing
[04:04] <ZykoticK9> 60.02 Hz for both
[04:04] <bjsnider> turn on vsync for xvideo
[04:05] <bjsnider> and for good measure opengl vsync
[04:05] <bjsnider> if you're using compiz, you need to tweak that too
[04:05] <bjsnider> activate vsync there
[04:09] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, oh man - THANKS!  Seems the compiz change made a huge difference.
[04:10] <bjsnider> unless you've got a 24p output feature on one of the monitors you'll have to deal with judder, but nvidia users do not have to tolerate tearing
[04:10] <ZykoticK9> judder - that's a term i don't know.
[04:10] <bjsnider> that's when the video frame rate doesn't match the refresh rate
[04:11] <bjsnider> or isn't divisible by it
[04:11] <bjsnider> 24 can't go evenly into 60
[04:11] <bjsnider> so you won't have completely smooth camera movements
[04:11] <bjsnider> but oh well, can't win em all
[04:13] <bjsnider> tearing is  far more annoying and insufferable
[04:17] <ZykoticK9> well all i have to say it your vsync help out a lot - looking real good now.  Doubt i have eyes good enough to notice the juddering.
[04:21] <Volkodav> Sync to Vblank you mean ?
[04:21] <ZykoticK9> Volkodav, yes, there are 2 settings in nvidia-settings and 1 in Compiz
[04:22] <un214> the day I was most glad I had a root password set was the day I broke my video drivers so badly that none of the backup kernels would work either.
[04:22] <Volkodav> where is the 2 setting in nvidia though ?/
[04:22] <Volkodav> ok I got it
[04:23] <Volkodav> I had only one checked
[04:23] <ZykoticK9> Volkodav, ya me too
[04:24]  * Volkodav has dual head too
[04:24] <Damascene> any one knows how to install "essential code" from mplayer in Lucid
[04:24] <Damascene> usually I just copy codec to /usr/lib/codecs
[04:45] <RxDx> why lucid isnt using the lastest kernel (2.6.33)?
[04:46] <Jordan_U> RxDx, Because it
[04:47] <RxDx> Jordan_U, ?
[04:47] <Jordan_U> RxDx, ... it's going to be a long term support release.
[04:47] <RxDx> so what? the 2.6.33 is stable
[04:48] <bjsnider> it is not tested
[04:48] <bjsnider> so it is not stable
[04:48] <Jordan_U> RxDx, So they want as much testing as possible. Also other distros ( like debian ) are planning to use it for their stable releases. That way the packporting work is shared.
[04:48] <ZykoticK9> RxDx, quote from earlier "crimsun> at least two other major distros have signed up to use 2.6.32 as a long-term kernel moving forward, so it makes sense to use it"
[04:50] <RxDx> ok.. thanks
[04:50] <RxDx> do you guys prefere KDE or GNOME?
[05:09] <Damascene> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75278 for installing win32 used to work for me
[05:09] <Damascene> did any thing changed in Lucid?
[08:03] <DanaG> weird: no candidate version for ndiswrapper-source.
[08:12] <infecto> crimsun: ping :)
[08:17] <DanaG> argh, module-assistant doesn't work.
[08:17] <DanaG> Bad luck, the kernel headers for the  target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other  valid kernel header to use.
[08:17] <DanaG> using kernel 2.6.33.  and yes, headers ARE installed.
[08:19] <ejat> changes in dhcp ?
[08:20] <ejat> using isc-dhcp-client in lucid rite
[08:20] <ejat> ?
[08:26] <Damascene> I don't see sound icon in the netbook-launcher toolbar
[08:27] <om26er> explain
[08:27] <Damascene> no icon
[08:28] <Damascene> there is the connection and power icons with many others but no sound icon
[08:29] <daijoubu> Hello, i just installed alpha 3 and updated it, after updating and rebooting, all i get is a blinking cursor on the top left side of my screen and thats it
[08:29] <om26er> Damascene: type gnome-volume-control-applet and see if you see the icon
[08:29] <daijoubu> i'm runing the live-cd alpha 3 now to come to here
[08:29] <daijoubu> is there anything i can do ?
[08:30] <Damascene> om26er, it appears now
[08:31] <Damascene> why it doesn't start by default?
[08:31] <om26er> Damascene: sudo apt-get install indicator-sound
[08:31] <daijoubu> can't do anything ?
[08:32] <Damascene> daijoubu, check for bugs with iso-testing tag that needs confirming
[08:33] <om26er> Damascene: tried?
[08:33] <daijoubu> oh wow that sounded chinese :) i guess i can't do anything :(
[08:33] <Damascene> om26er, I installed it and started the gnome-volume.....
[08:33] <Damascene> why it's not there by default?
[08:34] <om26er> Damascene: so indicator-sound was not installed?
[08:34] <Damascene> no I guess
[08:34] <Damascene> daijoubu, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[08:34] <om26er> Damascene: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/532783
[08:34] <daijoubu> Damascene ok thanks
[08:34] <vish> daijoubu: Bug #523788
[08:35] <Damascene> but what is the different between gnome-volume.... and the indicator sound
[08:35] <Damascene> vish, I have this bug
[08:36] <vish> Damascene: the plymouth one?
[08:36] <Damascene> the same thing but I don't know what plymouth is
[08:37] <vish> ah ,k.
[08:37] <vish> i have the same bug too.. it happens at random for me though
[08:37] <daijoubu> vish, thanks
[08:37] <vish> np..
[08:38] <vish> daijoubu: if you get stuck hit SysRg+Alt+K , and login
[08:39] <daijoubu> vish, you mean when i see only the blinking cursor i should hit that combo ?
[08:40] <vish> daijoubu: yeah , [just realized bad wording of the previous line] , when you are at the cursor , use the combo , it will take you to gdm , from where you can login
[08:41] <daijoubu> vish, oh wow thanks very much!
[08:41] <vish> np..
[08:41] <Damascene> vish, is that trick better than going to tty and login then killing the gnome screen saver and keyring?
[08:41] <vish> Damascene: the keyring bug is different
[08:41] <Damascene> oh, right
[08:42] <Damascene> well for this I just go to tty then back to x
[08:43] <vish> Damascene: that doesnt work for me when i get the plymouth bug... for the gnome-keyring bug, i used to kill the keyring and re-enter the session
[08:48] <daijoubu> that was weird, after i rebooted, it didn't got stuck with the blinking cursor, but now on the login window after i start typing the password i then "refreshes" and loads the thing a second time
[08:48] <daijoubu> *it
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> \0
[09:19] <kittenjaugar> c
[09:21] <BUGabundo_remote> d
[09:21] <vish> e
[09:36] <Severian> Howdy.  libvirt-bin won't install because of libparted0.  It does not seem to be a bug reported in launchpad.  There is no emergency, as I am just testing.  Does anyone here know anything about this?
[09:51] <Ian_Corne> f
[10:05] <isaac> p
[10:05] <yofel> q
[10:10] <Bittarman> is this the random letter game?
[10:11] <Bittarman> can I play?
[10:11] <Bittarman> hmmm.....
[10:11] <Bittarman> z
[10:11]  * Bittarman wins the game
[10:20] <Severian> Bittarman, according to my calculations, g was the correct answer.
[10:25] <BUGabundo_remote> need anyone to check a very strange bug
[10:25] <BUGabundo_remote> I can't use left control to PASTE
[10:25] <BUGabundo_remote> right one works fine
[10:26] <BUGabundo_remote> both locally on the machine or remotelly connected
[10:26] <Severian> What do you need checked.  My lucid sytem is all updated.
[10:26] <BUGabundo_remote> I can copy, but not paste
[10:26] <BUGabundo_remote> ĩ know, its weird, but I don't think its _just_ hardware
[10:26] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone *ever* suffered something like this????
[10:27] <BUGabundo_remote> been like this for about 2 or 3 weeks
[10:28] <Severian> I don't understand your right and left references.  I use right to bring up a menu and copy.  I use the third button to paste.  And, those work fine.
[10:28] <BUGabundo_remote> ctrl+v
[10:29] <Severian> shift+ctrl+v pastes fine for me.
[10:30] <BUGabundo_remote> on a console. yeah
[10:30] <BUGabundo_remote> on a browser, or im client, not so much :)
[10:30] <Severian> In gedit, ctrl+v pastes fine.
[10:30] <BUGabundo_remote> do links work fine too?
[10:31] <BUGabundo_remote> I do have parcelite installed
[10:31] <BUGabundo_remote> might affect things a bit
[10:31]  * BUGabundo_remote wonders if it is a bug in parcelite, capture method 
[10:32] <Severian> I copied a link and opened a new tab.  I pressed ctrl+v to paste the link into the url bar and it worked fine.
[10:32] <Severian> In Firefox
[10:33] <BUGabundo_remote> thanks
[10:48] <vistakiller> i have a strange problem with internet in lucid
[10:48] <vistakiller> i have upgrade from karmic
[10:48] <vistakiller> when i first login to the systhem the internet is very slow
[10:49] <vistakiller> when i try to see one page from broswer do ages to load
[10:49] <vistakiller> after the internet goes normally for a while and then again the same
[10:49] <vistakiller> in karmic and windows i dont have this problem
[10:49] <vistakiller> any idea what happen or have to do?
[10:51] <lenios> vistakiller, maybe ipv6 issue
[10:52] <vistakiller> with chrome broswer?
[10:52] <vistakiller> i think this problem was only to firefox
[10:52] <lenios> do you have ipv6 on your computer/internet access?
[10:53] <Oxymoron> Should grub2 in the boot menu say grub 1.97~experimental or 1.97~beta4 as it were before? :S
[10:54] <vistakiller> i dont know
[10:54] <vistakiller> in karmic works fine
[10:54] <vistakiller> lenios can i check this?
[10:54] <lenios> can you access ipv6.google.com?
[10:54] <vistakiller> wait to see
[10:54] <vistakiller> this is the address?
[10:54] <lenios> http://ipv6.google.com
[10:55] <vistakiller> no i cant
[10:55] <lenios> you might have some default on ipv6 then
[10:55] <vistakiller> and how i change it?
[10:57] <lenios> just found http://en.opensuse.org/Disable_IPv6_for_Firefox for FF
[10:58] <vistakiller> i dont think is only broswer problem because when the problem appear
[10:58] <vistakiller> and other programmes have problem like pidgin or songbird
[10:58] <vistakiller> pidgin do ages to login to freenode.
[10:59] <vistakiller> something with network manager or with ethernet i dont know what to think...
[10:59] <lenios> try a ping
[10:59] <BUGabundo_remote> https://launchpad.net/bugs/417757
[11:00] <vistakiller> this is the bug :D
[11:00] <vistakiller> or no let read it..
[11:00] <lenios> yeah, ipv6 dns lookup
[11:00] <vistakiller> and what can i do ?
[11:01] <vistakiller> and why in karmic i dont have this problem?
[11:02] <lenios> people had this problem with karmic
[11:03] <vistakiller> how can i disable it from distro?
[11:04] <vistakiller> i have an opendns account is better to setup there?
[11:04] <lenios> one comment on the bug page says :edit /etc/sysctl.conf and add the following to the bottom: net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1
[11:05] <vistakiller> now i read all the comment
[11:05] <vistakiller> thanks for the help :D
[11:05] <vistakiller> i will inform you the problem still exist
[11:05] <lenios> it's said to be fixed though
[11:05] <vistakiller> and if the update pass to karmic
[11:05] <vistakiller> will be pass and to jaunty?
[11:06] <vistakiller> do i have to comment the bug report that the problem still exist in jaunty?
[11:06] <BUGabundo_remote> fixed in karmic
[11:06] <vistakiller> sorry lucid... :P
[11:06] <BUGabundo_remote> not sure its fixed in lucid
[11:06] <BUGabundo_remote> we already have *enough* comments there
[11:06] <lenios> i have ipv6, i didn't test it on lucid
[11:07] <BUGabundo_remote> also check for updates for your network equipment
[11:07] <lenios> but a fix should be pretty generic and work on all versions
[11:07] <BUGabundo_remote> most of this probs are caused by bad routers that don't handle AAAA records as good as we wish for
[11:07] <BUGabundo_remote> lenios: its not
[11:07] <BUGabundo_remote> diff kernel patchs
[11:07] <BUGabundo_remote> and diff libc libs
[11:08] <lenios> aren't ubuntu patches checked?
[11:08] <lenios> kernel freeze is in a few days anyways
[11:08] <BUGabundo_remote> ehhe
[11:08] <BUGabundo_remote> reminds me of the 3G modems bug :\
[11:08] <BUGabundo_remote> good luck with that
[11:08] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone using vuze?
[11:09] <BUGabundo_remote> not starting on my end
[11:09] <lenios> i'm good with transmission
[11:09] <vistakiller> i have a zyxel modem.. is old but zyxel is good company
[11:09] <BUGabundo_remote> and upstream doesn't really care about our old version and HOLLY OJK versions
[11:09] <BUGabundo_remote> vistakiller: then try to find fw updates
[11:10] <vistakiller> i have the last...
[11:10] <vistakiller> and in karmic this router works great
[11:33] <AlanBell> hi all
[11:33] <AlanBell> anyone else noticed that in the new theme the menu bar is draggable like the title bar, except it doesn't work in firefox?
[11:34] <AlanBell> is there a bug already and if not, should I file one against firefox or the theme, or something else?
[11:34] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: you're right, running azureus from a terminal gives http://paste.ubuntu.com/391697/ here
[11:38] <BUGabundo_remote> thanks for confirming yofel
[11:38] <BUGabundo_remote> do you think I can track the origen of it ?
[11:39] <BUGabundo_remote> unless we get a java packager, I dough it will be fixed on its own
[11:39] <BUGabundo_remote> micah should know but he is not arount
[11:40] <yofel> can't say, I'll try to debug it myself once I have a bit more free time today
[11:41] <BUGabundo_remote> thanks
[11:41] <BUGabundo_remote> if not, please send it to LP
[11:48] <mefisto__> does the grub menu have a new keyboard shorcut? or is it still ESC key?
[11:49] <yofel> mefisto__: hold left shift pressed on boot for grub2 boot menu
[11:50] <mefisto__> thanks yofel
[11:57] <vistakiller> nothing happens with dns
[11:58] <vistakiller> i try all the solutions but the problem still exist
[11:58] <vistakiller> i am sure that is a bug with network manager
[11:58] <vistakiller> i can go to router page and in the statics is up and running
[12:19] <nperry> Hmmm when using nouveau i'm getting drm unable to open device
[12:20] <nperry> Anyone got any idea?
[12:43] <enseven> Hi everybody! Did anyone already run ubuntu 10.04 alpha-3 on vmware server? Installation works perfect, but on the 1st reboot the VM resets after fsck with: "ACPI: I/O resource piix4_smbus [0x1040-0x1047] conflicts with ACPI region SMB_  [0x1040-0x104b]." . Ideas wellcome! :)
[12:47] <Ian_Corne> wooo
[12:47] <Ian_Corne> icons are back!
[12:47] <Ian_Corne> for me at least
[13:14] <marijus> anyone experience that kernel 2.6.32-16 does not respect monitor settings?
[13:15] <marijus> on setups with 2 monitors
[13:16] <marijus> Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[13:18] <marijus> everything working fine on 2.6.32-15...
[13:19] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_Corne: ???
[13:19] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo_remote: ?
[13:19] <BUGabundo_remote> what icons?
[13:19] <Ian_Corne> I see icons in the System menu
[13:19] <Ian_Corne> all of them
[13:19] <sidh> Greetings Gentlemen
[13:19] <Ian_Corne> lol? :p
[13:19] <BUGabundo_remote> where they missing ?
[13:20] <Ian_Corne> I didn't see some icons yes
[13:20] <sidh> just let me say how disapointed i feel about the way of releasing in lucid,
[13:20] <Ian_Corne> buh?
[13:20] <sidh> since the dist-upgrade of this morning, everything that is X-related
[13:21] <sidh> is smashed up
[13:21] <Ian_Corne> and you're suprised that stuff break in an alpha?
[13:21] <robin0800> Ian_Corne: if you want all the icons you have to use gconf-editor to enable them
[13:21] <sidh> i'm surpized that stuff that working BEFORE in lucid, is broken today in lucid
[13:22] <Ian_Corne> robin0800: I didn't and still have all icons
[13:22] <sidh> BEFORE=yesterday
[13:22] <Ian_Corne> well, the stuff isn't the same, if you upgrade
[13:23] <robin0800> sidh: and its only alpha software
[13:23] <Bittarman> sidh, thats kinda the thing with an unstable alpha
[13:23] <Bittarman> unstable alpha means that what works one day, may not after the next upgrade
[13:23] <sidh> yes , as Karmic is not able to run virtualbox correctly i thought lucid was
[13:23] <robin0800> Bittarman: quite often IMHO
[13:23] <sidh> in fact it was , only for a week
[13:24] <Bittarman> robin0800, its kinda the idea though isn't it ;)
[13:24] <Bittarman> sidh, read again.. "unstable alpha"
[13:24] <marijus> anyone experienced that kernel 2.6.32-16 does not respect monitor settings on dual monitor setup?
[13:25] <Bittarman> it happens... like have to reinstall your whole OS happens
[13:25] <robin0800> Bittarman: if you can live with it its OK nothing critical here on this laptop if it brakes format and start again
[13:26] <sidh> Bittarman: i read that choosing between a said "stable" release that has never been able to run virtualbox on its amd64 version , and a alpha distro, there is no good choice
[13:26] <robin0800> marijus: thats not the latest kernal is it?
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> sidh: stop crying. lots of changes to X after yesterday DRM upload
[13:27] <marijus> robin0800: yes its the latest
[13:27] <sidh> but that's ok, now i've tested ubuntu, i can have my own opinion
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> so if something broke for you, $ubuntu-bug xorg and ping #ubuntu-x guys
[13:28] <sidh> BUGabundo_remote: i'll stop crying when you will test stuff BEFORE committing, not after
[13:28] <BUGabundo_remote> it was tested
[13:28] <BUGabundo_remote> on several laptops and a few desktops
[13:28] <BUGabundo_remote> wfm so far
[13:28] <robin0800> marijus: think it 17 here
[13:29] <Bittarman> sidh, what do you think an alpha is????
[13:29] <Bittarman> this IS the testing
[13:29] <Bittarman> what works on the devs machine may not work on others
[13:29] <sidh> alpha is like Debian sid, Freebsd/NetBSD CURRENT
[13:29] <marijus> robin0800: got the update yesterday... no new kernel today for me :)
[13:29] <Ian_Corne> sidh: what do you think we're doing now?
[13:29] <Ian_Corne> we're testing
[13:30] <robin0800> marijus: it was today
[13:30] <Ian_Corne> and then it gets commited
[13:30] <Ian_Corne> at the release
[13:31] <robin0800> marijus: linux-headers-generic 2.6.32.16.16 -> 2.6.32.16.17
[13:32] <marijus> i have this one: 2.6.32-16.24
[13:32] <bjsnider> BUGabundo_remote, are you seeing a bug where every page in chromium becomes unresponsive after a few seconds?
[13:32] <BUGabundo_remote> bjsnider: no
[13:32] <Bittarman> gah, can you not use wildcards in aptitude purge?
[13:32] <BUGabundo_remote> running daily ppa
[13:32] <BUGabundo_remote> Bittarman: NO
[13:32] <sidh> ok so I wish you good luck , and have a nice day
[13:32] <BUGabundo_remote> yeah I know, I miss it too from apt
[13:32] <Bittarman> BUGabundo_remote, heh, thanks
[13:34] <Bittarman> trying to fix my nvidia problems, so I'm purging the nvidia drivers
[13:34] <Bittarman> ill just use apt for now
[13:39] <blerk> anyone has a static mouse cursor and garbage on top of the screen when keys are pressed when booting up? pressing the power button once, seems to restart gdm/x and gives me a login prompt
[13:41] <blerk> before that the screen is just black with a mouse cursor
[13:41] <blerk> which cant be moved :/
[13:45] <blerk> hmm there are more updates, lets see if those fix it
[13:48] <blerk> updating gdm seems to have fixed it :D
[13:52] <Bittarman> hmm.. why would xorg complain about noveau not being available when its not mentioned in xorg.conf?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[14:23] <blackxored> I'm on lucid alpha 3, what's the best twitter client right now for linux??
[14:28] <YaManicKill> blackxored: would be gwibber if it was working :-P
[14:28] <blackxored> YaManicKill, it isn't
[14:28] <blackxored> YaManicKill, for me
[14:28] <blackxored> the dbus exception bug
[14:29] <blackxored> let me (cross fingers since I saw something about X broken) update
[14:29] <BUGabundo_remote> ok THIS IS SERIOUS!! THE DARN SLOW GTK BUG IS BACK
[14:30]  * nperry runs around screaming 
[14:30] <YaManicKill> blackxored: it isn't working for me either
[14:30] <zniavre> BUGabundo_remote,  :o(
[14:31] <BUGabundo_remote> nperry: not joking
[14:31] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone fully updated can expereince it too?
[14:31] <blackxored> YaManicKill, hehe
[14:31] <blackxored> alternatives then?
[14:31] <BUGabundo_remote> try running grkpref and check
[14:31] <blackxored> I used to be happy with pidgin
[14:31] <YaManicKill> blackxored: do you use 32 or 64 bit?
[14:31] <BUGabundo_remote> gtkperf
[14:31] <blackxored> YaManicKill, x86_64
[14:31] <zniavre> i hav not see libgtk update today
[14:32] <YaManicKill> blackxored: ok, so, adobe air apps are out of the questio then :-P
[14:32] <blackxored> YaManicKill, yeah
[14:33] <YaManicKill> no ideas then tbh. i used adobe air apps before gwibber
[14:33] <YaManicKill> just now i'm using the web until gwibber works :-P
[14:35] <MikeChelen> there are some other good twitter clients like choqok
[14:36] <zniavre> BUGabundo_remote, how many test rounds did you try?
[14:41] <BUGabundo_remote> zniavre: ??
[14:43] <zniavre> with gtkperf *
[14:43] <BUGabundo_remote> oh eheh
[14:43] <BUGabundo_remote> I usually run it ONCE
[14:44] <BUGabundo_remote> on a clean boot
[14:44] <BUGabundo_remote> with nothing else running
[14:46] <cr3> hi folks, what's the proper way to configure a modem in lucid considering that System -> Administration -> Network doesn't seem to exist anymore and Network Tools is for something else
[14:46] <cr3> I looked into System -> Preferences -> Network Connections, but I see no modem settings
[14:48] <zniavre> BUGabundo_remote,  i can't really says i experience slow on gtk
[14:51] <zniavre> http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7604/capture1k.png
[14:52] <ahorner> Hello, I'm trying to install Webmin in Lucid. I can't seem to install libmd5-perl though. Apt says there is no installation candidate.
[14:56] <stefanlsd> Anyone getting a nvidia problem - no such device?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> cr3, ethernet ?
[15:04] <BUGabundo_remote> cr3: all network management is done via NetworkManager
[15:04] <BUGabundo_remote> zniavre: not sure your CPU/GPU are, but 17 sec is SLOWWW
[15:04] <LITesterB> is beta still on scheduel for the 18th?
[15:05] <BUGabundo_remote> I had 8 sec
[15:05] <BUGabundo_remote> LITesterB: AFAIK, yes
[15:05] <BUGabundo_remote> why?
[15:05] <zniavre> my comp is 8years old
[15:05] <LITesterB> curious, i will test the beta
[15:06] <fabio333> zniavre: kms+ plymouth working?
[15:06] <zniavre> fabio333,  no (i got only blue/white progress bar)
[15:07] <BUGabundo_remote> LITesterB: start NOW
[15:07] <fabio333> zniavre: kms is broken on my ati card, pretty useless
[15:07] <BUGabundo_remote> beta will be to late for any major change or hw fix
[15:08] <zniavre> fabio333,  i hav nvidia hardware using repos legacy driver
[15:09] <LITesterB> ok
[15:19] <hifi> gnome-keyring-daemon uses all cpu time it can
[15:19] <BUGabundo_remote> known
[15:20] <hifi> fixed?
[15:20] <Ian_Corne> It is!
[15:20] <hifi> what about this: gnome-screensaver hangs on "Checking..." or whatever when you type up your password to unlock the screen
[15:20] <hifi> or is it related
[15:20] <Ian_Corne> oops wrong channel :)
[15:28] <BUGabundo_remote> not fixed
[15:28] <BUGabundo_remote> upstream is working on it
[16:14] <urbanape> anyone else running lucid on a macbook pro5,5?
[16:14] <mnaines> Are they going to allow customization of the login screen on lucid?
[16:18] <mnaines> Um...Is anyone home?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> nope , nobody here
[16:19] <mnaines> lol
[16:19] <mnaines> You know one thing I've always hated about Karmic and that I hope they change in Lucid?
[16:20] <mnaines> I always hated the login screen...I wish they would have kept it customizable
[16:20] <BluesKaj> mnaines, i imagine so once it's more stable ...been trying but no login scrn seems to work except the defaulr atm
[16:21] <mnaines> BluesKaj, Yeah...I just don't like the sheer size of the login box in proportion to the rest of the screen
[16:23] <mnaines> IMO, the login box only needs to be big enough to display the hostname and the box to input the user name.  Once the user name is input, the box switches to the password box
[16:23] <mnaines> The whole Keep it Simple thing
[16:24] <BluesKaj> looked at some new ones and installed one , brb see if it wqorks
[16:25] <ikonia> don't think that's going to be enabled until gdm3
[16:25] <mnaines> When is gdm3 due out?
[16:25] <ikonia> that was the last notes I read on it due to the ammount of effort to make the new "mashed" version of gdm 2 editable from a user perspective
[16:25] <ikonia> mnaines: possibly in time for 10.10
[16:25] <mnaines> I know in gdm2.0 they had that feature available
[16:25] <mnaines> But with gdm2.2, it was disabled
[16:26] <ikonia> mnaines: they made changes which disabled it (at a gnome level) and ubuntu doesn't want to undo that
[16:26] <bjsnider> that's all we need is to give users the ability to screw up the login screen
[16:26] <zniavre> gdm2setup is wotking well
[16:26] <BluesKaj> I got the big surfer login page to work
[16:26] <zniavre> t/r*
[16:27] <ikonia> I thought gdm2setup had been removed ?
[16:27] <mnaines> bjsnider, the way it is now, the gdm control center is the only thing that actually works
[16:27] <zniavre> ikonia,  i added it by .deb
[16:27] <ikonia> !info gdm
[16:27] <ikonia> zniavre: ah
[16:27] <ikonia> getting closer to 3
[16:27] <mnaines> BluesKaj, every time I try to load a GDM theme, it says its an invalid theme
[16:28] <ikonia> mnaines: it won't work
[16:28] <zniavre> https://launchpad.net/gdm2setup/+download
[16:28] <BluesKaj> hmm, sorry mnaines , I'm using kde
[16:29] <BluesKaj> we should really have a kubuntu+1 chat
[16:29] <ikonia> it's covered in here
[16:29] <mnaines> I can change the background of the login screen, but every background is obstructed by the sheer size of the login window itself
[16:29] <ikonia> mnaines: it's a limiation you're going to just have to live with for the time being
[16:29] <mnaines> ikonia, why did they change it?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> ahha there is a kubuntu+1 but i guewss it's just for devs ...by invite only :(
[16:30] <mnaines> They went from usplash in Jaunty to xsplash in Karmic
[16:30] <ikonia> I can't remember the full story, but bascially it was to make other things ready for gnome 3
[16:30] <ikonia> BluesKaj: it's not - it should forward to here, it doesn't exist, I'll get that corrected
[16:30] <mnaines> The switch to xsplash messed everything up
[16:31] <BluesKaj> ikonia, check it out   BluesKaj #kubuntu+1 Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
[16:32] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I'll get it sorted, it should forward here
[16:32] <mnaines> Is gnome 3 going to be more customizable?
[16:32] <ikonia> looks that way yes
[16:32] <mnaines> So by the time 10.10 comes out, gnome 3 will be ready?
[16:33] <Ian_Corne> maybe
[16:33] <BluesKaj> too bad , because there a quite a few ppl on kde lucid and it's difficult to know what desktop ppl are using
[16:33] <BluesKaj> anyway ..BBL, stuff to do
[16:34] <mnaines> I mean, I was able to change the splash screen, but I can't change anything else, and the default themes suck
[16:34] <ikonia> mnaines: that
[16:34] <ikonia> oops
[16:34] <ikonia> that's the hope
[16:34] <mnaines> What do you mean?
[16:35] <binarylooks> BluesKaj: I completely agree with you. I would like to talk to kubuntu people about their ubuntu one experience.
[16:35] <ikonia> there is hope that it will be ready in time to be included in the development cycle for 10.10
[16:36] <mnaines> ikonia, yeah...They don't have to make the login screen customizable by the user.  They just have to allow the user to download and use custom themes
[16:37] <ikonia> errr, that's customisable
[16:37] <ikonia> that's a "user customisation"
[16:37] <mnaines> The GnomeArtNG thing, for example...
[16:37] <mnaines> ikonia, yeah...my bad
[16:38] <mnaines> Its just that the default themes suck...I rarely ever use the default ones
[16:38] <mnaines> And I'd like it better if the GDM themes worked
[16:38] <ikonia> the default theme sucks because ubuntu can't be bothered to make "cool" ones for a 6 month development window, it's a big hassle
[16:38] <mnaines> They don't need to
[16:38] <mnaines> Just give the user the option of downloading themes from gnome-look.org or art.gnome.org
[16:39] <mnaines> And installing the themes themselves
[16:40] <mnaines> or instead of having the standard appearance window thing, use something similar to gnomeartng
[16:40] <mnaines> gnomeartng downloads all available themes from art.gnome.org and when the user chooses one and clicks "apply", the theme is installed automatically
[16:41] <ikonia> mnaines: what part of "they can't do that at the moment" is not sinking in ?
[16:41] <mnaines> ikonia, I know they can't.  I'm saying that when they can, that would be the best way to do it.
[16:42] <ikonia> well, when they can this conversation is not valid anyway as gdm will be customisable again
[16:42] <mnaines> Does this always happen when a new version of gdm comes out?
[16:43] <ikonia> no
[16:43] <mnaines> Basically what I mean is, did they have this same problem when going from gdm1 to gdm2?
[16:43] <ikonia> just since the prep-changes from gnome2->gnome-3 where dropped in
[16:43] <mnaines> oh
[16:43] <ikonia> no, as the code base was the same
[16:43] <ikonia> gnome3 is a big re-write
[16:44] <mnaines> Hopefully going to be more user-oriented, I hope
[16:44] <ikonia> that's the plan, some very good desktop features from the dev versions I've built and the reading material I've seen
[16:45] <mnaines> Yeah...That's another thing I want in gnome3...The availability of applets like Firefox has
[16:45] <mnaines> There aren't very many available for gnome2...Firefox has exponentially more
[16:46] <ikonia> firefox isn't a desktop
[16:46] <ikonia> it's not a valid comparison
[16:46] <KB1JWQ> This may well be a common / stupid question, but I've got a new laptop showing up in a few weeks.  Is Lucid to a point where I could run it on said laptop as a primary OS without blowing giant holes in my face? :-)
[16:46] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: run it for what purpose, production, home use, interest etc ?
[16:46] <kingster> anyone have any capacity to help a poor radeon x1600 bastard with corruption issues in lynx?
[16:47] <KB1JWQ> ikonia: I'm not an idiot. :-)  My "production" OSes are the best technology 2006 has to offer. :-)
[16:47] <KB1JWQ> Desktop use, primarily.
[16:47] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: I mean a production laptop for example, or main desktop OS etc
[16:47] <KB1JWQ> Main desktop OS, say.
[16:47] <KB1JWQ> Lenovo JUST released the t510, so I'm thinking driver support in Karmic may not be all it could be.
[16:48] <kingster> search for issues in the forums with the video card.  :P
[16:48] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: if it's for your own interst, certainly, it's pretty solid, however in the past even days before release fatal updates/breaks have happened that force a wipe/re-install
[16:48] <ikonia> if your comfortable with that risk, then sure
[16:48] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: I'd put money that 9.10 would work on that laptop fine
[16:48] <KB1JWQ> ikonia: Hope you're right.  The wireless card is new, and I can't find reference to it anywhere.
[16:49] <ikonia> I bet it's based of a supported chipset though
[16:49] <ikonia> (not %100 of course)
[16:49] <KB1JWQ> It's an Intel card, Centrino Advanced N+WIMAX 6250
[16:49] <KB1JWQ> All I see is the 5xxx series of cards as supported.
[16:50] <ikonia> ooh maybe
[16:51] <ikonia> let me know how you get on with that chipset
[16:51] <KB1JWQ> Yeah.  I'll have to wait and see, worst case I can crack the case and slap in something else.
[16:51] <KB1JWQ> I *think* it's a riserboard.
[16:51] <ikonia> whoaaa that's hardcore, just get a pcmcia style card
[16:51] <ikonia> if it's that big a deal
[16:55] <skyjumper> anyone seeing a 1px border around their desktop in lucid?
[16:55] <sinurge> not really
[16:56] <sinurge> but the borders of other windows when not in fully maximised mode look a little pixellised
[17:00] <sinurge> skyjumper: can be pls explan
[17:00] <sinurge> *explain
[17:15] <ka__> I have 3 blocked updates in Kubuntu 10.04 after doing and initial upgrade. One of them is an upgrade to the nouveau driver. Which possibli could fix the display on my monitor,. How do I force these packages to install. I have tried apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:16] <virtuald> is it somehow possible to make compiz always snap windows to each other and screen edges, without holding shift and have compiz actually remember the settings?
[17:16] <charlie-tca> apt-get --help
[17:17] <charlie-tca> ka__: ^^
[17:17] <ka__> thx charlie-tca
[17:17] <charlie-tca> I think there is a -f, but the driver might be broken right now, too
[17:18] <Andre_Gondim> is the gwibber working on lucid for anyone?
[17:29] <ka__> charlie-tca: Yes. Seems broken: linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic: Depends: linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-15-generic but it is not installable E: Broken packages
[17:30] <ka__> so will : "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" activate the proprietary driver if it is installed?
[17:34] <ZykoticK9> virtuald, you might want to try asking in #compiz
[17:36] <virtuald> zykotick9: i found out by experimenting that i shouldn't use the snap plugin, the wobbly plugins have snap settings that conflicts with that
[17:37] <virtuald> this has been bugging me for years and i didn't use compiz because of it :)
[17:38] <virtuald> actually i see now that i have a google results page that hinted me to the wobbly plugin
[18:51] <the_student> Help: after some problems I have updated to 10.04 a3, and now i can't login graphically
[18:52] <KB1JWQ> the_student: Seeing anything interesting in the X log?
[18:53] <the_student> How can I chack that?
[18:53] <the_student> *check
[18:53] <yofel> the_student: check the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:55] <the_student> tty7 suddenly turned textual: [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id
[18:56] <yofel> the_student: and tty8?
[18:56] <daijoubu> can we update to beta 1 without reinstalling everything ? o-o
[18:56] <yofel> daijoubu: sure
[18:57] <the_student> Tries to login, then returns to loginscreen
[18:57] <daijoubu> yofel, thanks
[18:57] <yofel> daijoubu: just install updates like usual and you'll get the beta
[18:59] <yofel> the_student: every time you try to login?
[18:59] <yofel> or just once?
[19:00] <the_student> Jup, everytime
[19:01] <daijoubu> the_student i have that at random ... last time it didn't but two times before that it returned to login screen, and two times it hanged with blinking cursor lol
[19:03] <the_student> What am I to do?
[19:04] <daijoubu> i have zero idea :)
[19:04] <daijoubu> when it got stuck with the blinking cursor i ran the live-cd from a usb stick and it whent away
[19:05] <daijoubu> the "refreshing" login screen when away after installing nvidia drivers and configuring my dual screens lol
[19:05] <daijoubu> and i have no idea if next time i reboot it will not hang again or make me login twice ^^
[19:06] <yofel> the_student: so you do see the login screen but x crashes once you try to login? what graphics card do you have?
[19:07] <myth> i'm having issues minimizing rhythmbox to tray! maybe i'm not seeing something obvious! :P what could it be?
[19:08] <the_student> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82862/8255GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[19:09] <myth> nobody>
[19:09] <myth> ?
[19:09] <yofel> myth: I guess no rhythmbox users here atm
[19:10] <myth> yofel: maybe?! nobody using the default program to listen to music?
[19:10] <yofel> myth: dunno, I use KDE so no rhythmbox ;)
[19:10] <myth> amarok? ;)
[19:10] <yofel> sometimes
[19:11] <yofel> usuallly vlc is enough
[19:11] <myth> kk...so maybe i post it on forums ;)
[19:11] <stan> what issues minimizing to tray?
[19:11] <myth> stan: i can't minimize
[19:11] <myth> i activated the tray icon plugin
[19:11] <stan> status icon plugin?
[19:11] <myth> yes
[19:12] <tormod> hey, those new colours are ugly aren't they?
[19:12] <myth> how else could i get rhythmbox in the tray icon?
[19:12] <tormod> purple rain? I feel I am back to early eighties
[19:12] <stan> myth: what happens when you close the rhythmbox window?
[19:13] <myth> the player closes (program exit)
[19:13] <yofel> tormod: I don't think intense orange was much better...
[19:14] <myth> left click on tray icon opens a menu instead of reducing the player in tray
[19:15] <tormod> yofel, orange was refreshingly... different :)
[19:15] <borschty> myth, thats because ubuntu patched it to use the app-indicator
[19:15] <myth> wth
[19:15] <borschty> also it isn't in the notification-area ("tray") anymore
[19:16] <borschty> it is a menu of the application indicator
[19:16] <myth> omg i didn't see something i fear
[19:16] <the_student> Also my WiFi is incompatible with Ubuntu
[19:16] <myth> so how could i get rhythmbox to get minimized to tray>
[19:17] <borschty> close the window for example
[19:17] <yofel> the_student: what wifi card? (and did you check the xorg log?)
[19:17] <yofel> the_student: the crash could be a gdm bug too though
[19:17] <myth> mom
[19:17] <myth> maybe i disabled app-indicator
[19:18] <borschty> the_student, that crash sounds pretty much like a video-driver bug - i assume you use compiz and that is triggering the problem
[19:19] <the_student> Nope, haven't installed compiz (yet)
[19:19] <borschty> it is installed by default
[19:20] <myth> borschty: can't minimize it even enabling app-indicator!
[19:20] <myth> o.O
[19:20] <myth> okok
[19:20] <borschty> myth, do you have the app-indicator-applet in the panel?
[19:20] <myth> now it works...
[19:20] <myth> but
[19:20] <the_student> Then how do I disable compiz?
[19:21] <myth> nothing...i liked it more without app-indicator :P
[19:21] <borschty> gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
[19:21] <borschty> as your regular user
[19:23] <borschty> does anybody here use a separate /boot-partition? i think the current grub2 packages have a problem with installing on those?
[19:24] <the_student> Am I to restart gdm now?
[19:24] <borschty> no, just try to login now
[19:25] <the_student> Still the same
[19:26] <borschty> did you copy the command or did you type it yourself?
[19:27] <the_student> type it, its two seperate machines
[19:27] <borschty> are you sure you made no typo?
[19:27] <the_student> not yet, installing telnetd
[19:27] <borschty> the command will still be accepted, even with typos
[19:30] <borschty> wouldn't openssh-server be a much better choice?
[19:31] <the_student> Yes, did that
[19:31] <the_student> still the same
[19:32] <borschty> a bit weird that a regular session triggers it while gdm does not
[19:33] <borschty> open your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:34] <fbianconi> Hi, I want to upgrade from karmic to lucid, is it possible or even convenient? and if it is, what was the command to make the upgrade? was it "gksudo update-manager -d"?
[19:34] <borschty> in there you can find a default xorg.conf
[19:34] <borschty> between "(==) --- Start of built-in configuration ---" and "(==) --- End of built-in configuration ---"
[19:34] <borschty> save that as /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:35] <o_portista17> a while back, there was some updates for php*, but i didn't use the new *config files, is there some way, that i can upgrade it again, but now, using the new config files from php.ini and such, and replace the ones that i have now?
[19:35] <the_student> http://pastebin.com/Phe7574g
[19:35] <borschty> then remove the intel-specific device- and screen-section and also the the according screen entry in the server layout
[19:36] <borschty> http://pastebin.com/HHcNR4Kh use this as your xorg.conf
[19:37] <o_portista17> because now i have a lot of errors, on my *.php's , and if i try to see the version of my php on the bash, i have this error: PHP Deprecated:  Comments starting with '#' are deprecated in /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/mcrypt.ini on line 1 in Unknown on line 0
[19:38] <fbianconi> sorry I didn't make myself clear, first comes first, is it possible atm to upgrade from karmic to lucid?
[19:38] <borschty> fbianconi, it has always been possible
[19:39] <the_student> Wheres Xorg.conf?
[19:39] <borschty> the_student, you have to create it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:39] <fbianconi> borschty I mean other way than manually
[19:39] <the_student> Using sudo?
[19:40] <borschty> the_student, yes
[19:41] <the_student> Rebooting now
[19:41] <fbianconi> nevermind, I'll figure it out, thanks anyway
[19:41] <borschty> not really required
[19:42] <juan22arg> hello, install ubuntu yesterday 10.04 but does not walk archive.ubuntu.com server or something does not connect and I can not install programs or update, do not know if they are working on them?
[19:42] <the_student> Sorry, used to windows
[19:42] <Technoviking> is anyone else getting parted and udisks not upgrading
[19:43] <ZykoticK9> Technoviking, the packages just aren't ready yet - give it time.  This is common with Lucid.
[19:43] <KB1JWQ> the_student: Why not 9.10?
[19:43] <dylan-m> Hi, is anyone here used to Moblin? I was trying to run moblin-session, but none of the panel-* things (eg: panel-myzone) appear on the panel (even though the programs are running); it just sits there aimlessly
[19:44] <Technoviking> ZykoticK9: been a day on parted, wondering is was removed
[19:44] <borschty> i managed to upgrade those by only choosing to upgrade parted, iirc then the according packages got removed and udisks got marked for upgrade too
[19:45] <ZykoticK9> Technoviking, previously mono-?something sat for several days, I reported it as a bug - and what I mentioned to you was explained to me
[19:46] <borschty> (also this was on archive.ubuntu.com, no mirror, so maybe if you are on a mirror you might still be missing some packages)
[19:47] <the_student> KB1JWQ: School
[19:47] <KB1JWQ> the_student: Urm... okay, you're running pre-release software because of school? :-)
[19:47] <juan22arg> ok tanks
[19:48] <the_student> Now it won't even boot properly: I get a splash, but it stops, and now sysctl doesn't work
[19:49] <the_student> KB1JWQ: No, I am used to Windows due to (among others) school. I wanted to try 10.04 because I am impatient, and wanted to try the iPod abilities
[19:51] <the_student> But if it is an easy way to get that then fine (considering going back to 9.10)
[19:52] <KB1JWQ> Personally?  I use OSX or Windows under virtualization to sync.
[19:53] <the_student> Yes, but I want to just use Ubuntu, on that comp
[20:00] <the_student> Is there a way to install a minimal ubuntu using the live cd
[20:01] <borschty> only using the alternative cd, i think
[20:02] <ubuntujenkins> do we know what lucid + 1 is called yet?
[20:03] <Pici> Nope, not yet.
[20:03] <ubuntujenkins> cool thought not, didn't want to ahve missed out though :-)
[20:06] <the_student> In minimal i mean graphically just AppCenter,FireFox,and widgets
[20:08] <borschty> you can still remove ubuntu-desktop, install ubuntu-minimal and then install the packages you want to have
[20:08] <the_student> Good idea
[20:10] <the_student> But won't that remove networking?
[20:11] <borschty> depending on what you consider minimal
[20:12] <the_student> No, I mean removing ubuntu-desktop
[20:12] <borschty> you can still use your network, but you maybe have to configure it manually (without network-manager)
[20:14] <the_student> dhcp?
[20:14] <h00k> I sure wish metacity compositing worked on the netbook edition :(
[20:14] <yofel> the_student: wired will still work
[20:15] <DanaG> hmm, it IS possible to make "system connections" with the gnome network manager thingy.
[20:15] <DanaG> Those connections will remain connected even at login screen.
[20:16] <yofel> system connections?
[20:16] <borschty> but not without network-manager ;)
[20:17] <the_student> Doesn't the live cd include a small repo?
[20:17] <borschty> what are you trying to do?
[20:18] <the_student> I want an Ubuntu install without anything I don't need
[20:20] <borschty> what you need pretty much depends on how familiar you are with the system
[20:30] <the_student> ?
[20:30] <kklimonda> so where is this new theme everybody was talking about? ;)
[20:31] <borschty> system->preferences->appearance and select "ambiance" or "radiance" (assuming you're using a recent version)
[20:33] <zniavre_> with wich theme OOo (writter) is launched ?
[20:33] <kklimonda> interesting, I don't have it
[20:33] <yofel> kklimonda: ubuntu-desktop is installed?
[20:33] <kklimonda> it is
[20:33] <yofel> ubuntu-artwork?
[20:33] <yofel> or 'light-themes' actually
[20:34] <kklimonda> no, it isn't obviously..
[20:34] <kklimonda> I wonder why
[20:34] <kklimonda> well, I have managed to uninstall ubuntu-desktop but now it's installed
[20:34] <yofel> odd... ubuntu-desktop depends on -artwork which depends on light-themes
[20:35] <kklimonda> odd, not here..
[20:35] <yofel> kklimonda: are you *sure* you're up to date?
[20:35] <kklimonda> yofel: obviously not :)
[20:35] <yofel> ^^
[20:35] <charlie-tca> I even get the boot screen, in Xubuntu lucid
[20:36] <kklimonda> I got a boot screen, new colors etc. :)
[20:36] <kklimonda> but not a new theme..
[20:43] <kklimonda> hmm.. the new light theme is.. light ;)
[20:44] <ripps> Hey, can some of you test out my new Ambiance Cold (edited Ambiance theme), I've had a couple positive comments, but it seems that I'm still gettin some people voting down and nobody is telling me why. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=121118
[20:45] <kklimonda> hmm.. I see some 1px lines on the left and right sides of the desktop - are they supposed to be there?
[20:45] <o_portista17> a while back, there was some updates for php*, but i didn't use the new *config files, is there some way, that i can upgrade it again, but now, using the new config files from php.ini and such, and replace the ones that i have now? - because now i have a lot of errors, on my *.php's , and if i try to see the version of my php on the bash, i have this error: PHP Deprecated:  Comments starting with '#' are deprecated in /etc/php5/cli/
[20:45] <o_portista17> conf.d/mcrypt.ini on line 1 in Unknown on line 0
[20:46] <kklimonda> ripps: your blue is too blue ;)
[20:46] <ripps> kklimonda: really, I could lessen it a bit. I thought it made is stand out from ambiance better.
[20:47] <kklimonda> probably - but in my opinion by doing that you have made it too blue - there are people who may like it but I personally don't
[20:49] <zniavre_> 2 fans after 648 downloding it's quite nice (i got only 6 fans after 11000 dls for my theme)
[20:49] <zniavre_> load*
[20:50] <ripps> kklimonda: I could probably release a blue/light blue versions
[20:50] <zniavre_> kklimonda,  i can also see the 1px border i hope it must not be here
[20:52] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, i hadn't even noticed the "boarder" around my screens, after you pointed it out, it seems more like 20px
[20:52] <kklimonda> oh god, this radiance is so bright :D
[20:52] <BUGabundo> evening
[20:52]  * BUGabundo goes back to the hole
[20:52]  * BUGabundo is very tired
[20:52] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo
[20:52] <BUGabundo> wb kklimonda. long time no see!
[20:52] <kklimonda> indeed, a week or so :)
[20:56] <vistakiller> my strange problem with the network still exist and i cant find why this happens...
[20:56] <vistakiller> i am in dead end
[20:56] <vistakiller> before the upgrade everything works fine
[20:57] <fr500> hi
[20:57] <fr500> did nautilus break for you today?
[20:57] <ripps> the 1px border happens because of nautilus. Just reload nautilus with `nautilus --quit` to fix it.
[20:57] <fr500> mine will only start  if i use the --no-desktop switch
[20:58] <vistakiller> if you see this pic you will understand my problem with net
[20:58] <vistakiller> http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4100/netconnection.png
[20:58] <BUGabundo> BEFORE ANYONE ASKS: The following packages are BROKEN:  libparted-2.1-0 libparted1.8-12
[20:58] <vistakiller> this is when i download a file from net
[20:58] <BUGabundo> so don't upgrade and complain
[21:01] <blackxored> plz recommend me a good twitter client, gwibber is quite unstable for me now
[21:02] <DanaG> compiz: intel_regions.c:195: intel_region_alloc: Assertion `aligned_pitch == pitch * cpp' failed.
[21:02] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/532656
[21:04] <seanbrystone> is suspend going to be fixed on Lucid?
[21:19] <yofel> seanbrystone: can you be a bit more specific? kubuntu x86 with intel gpu suspends just fine heree
[21:19] <yofel> *here
[21:20] <seanbrystone> well im only finding too fixes on the forums, one says to revert back to Jaunty ATI drivers, the other says revert back to Grub ver. 1,
[21:21] <yofel> oh, ati...
[21:21] <seanbrystone> im on Ubuntu 9.10 64 bit , ATI graphics
[21:21] <seanbrystone> i donno if the error was logged or not
[21:21] <seanbrystone> where would i look?
[21:23] <lancifer> so, has anyone else been seeing a lot or crash reports on lucid but the apps appear to still be running fine?
[21:24] <joaopinto> can someone else confirm that you get an error when trying to create a python macro on openoffice ?
[21:28] <BUGabundo> sorry joaopinto, don't use
[21:28] <joaopinto> neither do I, but would like to use it
[21:28] <joaopinto> it just dumps an error :\
[21:29] <yofel> joaopinto: how to test it?
[21:30] <joaopinto> Tools -> Macros -> Organize Macros -> Python
[21:30] <joaopinto> them browse Macros from OpenOffice.org
[21:30] <markl_> anyone here know how to get sound working on a new macbook pro?
[21:30] <joaopinto> expand expand, and try to run one
[21:31] <markl_> i tried one of the modprobe suggestions but no luck
[21:32] <yofel> joaopinto: seems to work here (at least capitalize and helloworld)
[21:32] <joaopinto> hum, strande, helloworld failed here
[21:33] <joaopinto> strange
[21:35] <joaopinto> I get an uno runtime error
[21:36] <joaopinto> hum, maybe I need python-openoffice
[21:45] <ibkanat> anyone have tips on getting a tablet to work with ubuntu 10.4? I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AiptekTablet but didnt work
[21:46] <ibkanat> made the 10-linuxaiptek.fdi file but not sure that 10.4 uses hal anymore
[21:46] <ibkanat> so.... how do you setup 10.4 for a tablet?
[21:46] <kklimonda> so I actually like this new theme - it's just xchat that doesn't look good with it.
[21:46] <kklimonda> ibkanat: 10.04 doesn't use hal
[21:47] <kklimonda> ibkanat: you could try asking on #ubuntu-x
[21:47] <joaopinto> ah, the helloworld sample runs from oowrite but not frm oocalc
[21:48] <ibkanat> what is ubuntu-x?
[21:48] <yofel> ibkanat: a channel here on irc, type '/joing #ubuntu-x' to get there
[21:48] <yofel> err..
[21:49] <yofel> '/join #ubuntu-x'
[21:49] <ibkanat> no freenode channel named ubuntu-x
[21:49] <ZykoticK9> ibkanat, not sure if it will help but you could try running "sudo hald --daemon=no" then see if it works
[21:49] <yofel> ibkanat: that's very odd... as the channel IS there
[21:50] <yofel> brb
[21:50] <ibkanat> Runner started - allowed paths are '/usr/lib/hal:/usr/lib/hal/scripts:/usr/bin'
[21:50] <ibkanat> Error binding udev_event socket: Address already in use
[21:50] <ZykoticK9> ibkanat, i get that error too - but try now
[21:50] <ibkanat> ok thanks
[21:50] <[31d1]> ibkanat: hal is old and busted, udev is the new hotness
[21:51] <ibkanat> ok how to use udev?
[21:51] <[31d1]> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/X/InputConfiguration that page has the best info I've found so far on translating .fdi files to udev.rules
[21:52] <[31d1]> i still had to do lots of trial and error to get the thing i was trying to do done
[21:52] <[31d1]> but i managed to
[21:52] <[31d1]> also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input
[21:52] <[31d1]> 10.4 section
[21:52] <[31d1]> which points to a page, that points to the first link :)
[21:53] <ibkanat> ok.. thanks
[21:55] <[31d1]> also I did a thing like: udevadm info --query=all --attribute-walk --path=/sys/class/input/<everything in here>
[21:56] <[31d1]> until I found the name of the device
[22:03]  * kklimonda dances
[22:03] <kklimonda> I've managed to log in to the local Desktop CouchDB instance..
[22:05] <BUGabundo> yay
[22:29] <jakubo> hi, the audio settings gui doesnt work, says its waiting for audio device
[22:30] <jakubo> and there fore the cpu is working a lot and network shows some activity although it shouldnt
[22:32] <jakubo> and there s some process that doesnt have aname and is changing id frequently
[22:33] <ripps> kklimonda: I updated Ambiance cold, do you think the new version is still too blue?
[22:35] <kklimonda> ripps: I do but I like it more than the previous one
[22:35] <BUGabundo> humm
[22:36] <BUGabundo> message indicator is blinking green
[22:36] <BUGabundo> what does that mean!?!
[22:36] <jakubo> nope
[22:36] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: blinking? o.O
[22:36] <BUGabundo> yeap
[22:36] <BUGabundo> goes green, goes gray
[22:36] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you have better toys than me :/
[22:36] <BUGabundo> but I don't know what it means
[22:36] <jakubo> wasnt meant to be addressed to me?
[22:36] <BUGabundo> nor what I can do to use it!
[22:36] <BUGabundo> its sucks
[22:37] <BUGabundo> its like having a toy
[22:37] <BUGabundo> and not maunal
[22:37] <BUGabundo> *manual
[22:37] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: maybe it's indicating that there is some new even for you
[22:38] <jakubo> ok, the nonamed process seems to be identified by top as pulseaudio
[22:38] <jakubo> any hint how to set things right?
[22:39] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: right, BUT which ones?
[22:39] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: the important one, duh..
[22:40] <kklimonda> ones*
[22:40] <kklimonda> ;)
[22:40] <BUGabundo> but all I have there is 3/4 screen of gwibber replies and read emails
[22:41] <kklimonda> btw, this indicator isn't useful when you get a lot of mails :/
[22:44] <BUGabundo> right
[22:44] <BUGabundo> plus if it is read, go way!
[22:44] <kklimonda> so what is the font used in the Ubuntu theme for empathy?
[22:44] <jakubo> noone?
[22:44] <kklimonda> it's small and looks awesome
[22:45] <glphvgacs> hi, ext4 on 9.10 and now lookin for a good pick of usage for / and /home
[22:45] <glphvgacs> should I go with large4 for both?
[22:45] <kklimonda> jakubo: you should ask crimsun as he's the audio man here ;)
[22:45] <jakubo> ok thx
[22:45] <jakubo> when will he be available?
[22:45] <kklimonda> glphvgacs: large4?
[22:46] <kklimonda> jakubo: no idea - he should be around already..
[22:46] <jakubo> ok
[22:46] <glphvgacs> kklimonda: largefile4
[22:46] <kklimonda> jakubo: have you messed with pulseaudio somehow?
[22:46] <jakubo> nope
[22:46] <jakubo> nothing
[22:47] <kklimonda> glphvgacs: you are going to waste a lot of space by using that for /
[22:47] <kklimonda> glphvgacs: it's overkill even for /home
[22:47] <jakubo> it seems developers should consider themselves lucky when knowing me... ...
[22:49] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, glphvgacs crossposted to #ubuntu - and is busy in there
[22:50] <kklimonda> ic, ic
[22:53] <glphvgacs> kklimonda: we might also move this machine at some point to server as a smb share point, where students have their windows home folders (digital art sutdents with huge video files among them)... any ideas there? thnx
[22:56] <jakubo> crimsun: are you on?
[22:57] <BUGabundo> jakubo: better just leave him a message
[22:57] <BUGabundo> and he will reply when he gets back
[22:57] <BUGabundo> all in one line is preferable, unlike what I'm doing :D
[22:57] <jakubo> yeah, but its almost midnight, and id go sleep soon
[22:58] <BUGabundo> leave the irc on ?
[22:58] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:58] <jakubo> and the computer?
[22:59] <jakubo> the fan is too loud to sleep, well the chassis is open, but when i close it the fan will only turn faster and become even more annoying
[22:59] <BUGabundo> get an irc SHELL
[22:59] <kklimonda> glphvgacs: I'm pretty sure that you should use this option only when your files are really big - like 1TiB or bigger
[23:00] <jakubo> ill try later
[23:00] <jakubo> ...tomorrow
[23:00] <jakubo> bye
[23:16] <glphvgacs> kklimonda: got it, thnx
[23:19] <timyeung> hello?
[23:20] <kklimonda> hey
[23:20] <Dunge> hey
[23:20] <timyeung> hey i haven't heard too much about the update yet. What are some new features/improvements being made?
[23:20] <Dunge> I just installed Ubuntu this week (lucid lynx alpha3 x64) and everything works perfectly, except XVID video, colors are all blue/pink. Sound and image seems fine other than the colors. This happens both in totem and vlc. I have my nvidia drivers working perfectly and installed any package for divx/xvid. Any idea?
[23:21] <yofel> Dunge: can you check the HUE settings?
[23:22] <Dunge> where?
[23:23] <yofel> trying to find that myself right now, totem changed the settings since I last used it...
[23:23] <Dunge> in totem every is centered
[23:23] <Dunge> brightness contrat saturation and hue is 50%
[23:25] <yofel> hm, should be correct then
[23:25] <Pici> iirc its related to what video backend that you use.  I don't have a graphical system in front of me to check though.
[23:26] <Dunge> video backend? you mean compiz?
[23:26] <yofel> more like gstreamer/xine/ffmpeg/... I think
[23:27] <yofel> but vlc and totem should use different ones I think
[23:27] <Pici> What yofel said.
[23:27] <Pici> I had the same issue in vlc until I changed something.. but I'm not on that system nor can I check it right now.
[23:28] <yofel> I had that with nvidia drivers once, but that was fixed by setting the right HUE value
[23:29] <Dunge> nvidia seems to work fine, at least for compiz, alpha and full effect enabled
[23:29] <Dunge> im looking into vlc options, but it detect the codec as xvid and say no errors
[23:30] <Dunge> hmmm if I use lets say opengl video output it's ok
[23:31] <Dunge> but "default" is not,.. what is default? :)
[23:31] <Dunge> ok that seems to be XVideo who have problem
[23:35] <Dunge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/184440
[23:35] <Dunge> seems like a bug since ubuntu 8... wonder how it can be still there
[23:36] <yofel> Dunge: dunno, vanishes and reappears in my case, appr. once a year ^^
[23:39] <Dunge> thats the kind of stupid problems who make people hate linux... and it's easy to fix, why does it follow around since 2 years? lol
[23:40] <Kai_> Laziness would be my guess.
[23:45]  * yofel is reminded at bug 11334
[23:46] <kklimonda> Dunge: because it is not easy to fix
[23:47] <kklimonda> yofel: and the copy-paste isn't easy to fix either ;)
[23:48] <yofel> kklimonda: sure, and it's not a bug in X IMHO either, but people too lazy to follow the spec. -.-
[23:48] <kklimonda> yofel: indeed - gedit works just fine
[23:51] <Desciero> How stable is lucid?
[23:51] <kklimonda> depends
[23:51] <skyjumper> Desciero: stable here, just seeing some gui bugs
[23:51] <yofel> Dunge: that depends on your hardware, developer mood and current weather
[23:51] <kklimonda> Desciero: depends on your hardware, what you use computer for, your definition of "stable" etc. ;)
[23:52] <yofel> Dunge: sry, tab fail ^^
[23:52] <Desciero> kklimonda: it was recommend for me to try it on a bug page
[23:53] <kklimonda> Desciero: is it something you can check using livecd?
[23:53] <Desciero> kklimonda: yeah.. here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl1.2/+bug/203158  I'm mattrenfer on the bottom
[23:54] <Desciero> Not sure how to fix in Karmic
[23:54] <yofel> Desciero: oh, that's fixed, ubuntu-desktop depends on it in lucid
[23:55] <BUGabundo> you guys are all wrong
[23:55] <BUGabundo> it only depends on his definition of stable!
[23:55] <kklimonda> Desciero: well, you should give livecd a shot then
[23:55] <Desciero> yofel: so if I try out lucid on a live cd, it should be ok?
[23:55] <Desciero> ok..so to clarify there's no way to get it working in Karmic?
[23:56] <yofel> Desciero: hm, you could install it in karmic, might conflict with -alsa though so you'll have to remove that afaik
[23:57] <kklimonda> Desciero: well - there may be a way but we don't know it - the sound stack in Ubuntu depends on various pieces of software and finding out what is the problem may take you too much time
[23:57] <yofel> Desciero: but if that's the best choice is something I can't say
[23:57] <Desciero> ok
[23:58] <Desciero> I guess I will try lucid from a live cd then
[23:58] <yofel> crimsun: ^^^
[23:58] <BUGabundo> !daily > Desciero
[23:58] <Desciero> thanks
[23:59] <yofel> Desciero: crimsun knows more about audio, you could wait until he answers too (don't know when that will be though)