[00:10] <lukjad86> Is there a way to get iftop to show what programs are using up my bandwidth rather than the destinations?
[00:11] <lukjad86> because if apache is being connected to by 20 hosts, that really doesn't give me a clear picture of what I need to close down or monitor
[00:11] <bodhi_zazen> lukjad86: what is the problem you are having exactly ?
[00:11] <bodhi_zazen> limited bandwidth ?
[00:12] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen Well, I only have 100 KBs upload
[00:12] <lukjad86> Speed
[00:13] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen And sometimes if I'm uploading a file, browsing and try and FTP something, everything kinda slows down, and I can't tell what it is. It could be F@H getting a new work load, at which point it will clear up soon.
[00:13] <pleia2> lukjad86: there is ntop
[00:13] <lukjad86> But I can't tell.
[00:13] <lukjad86> pleia2 ntop?
[00:13] <pleia2> might be more useful than iftop
[00:14] <lukjad86> pleia2 It's like htop but for the network?
[00:14] <pleia2> lukjad86: pretty much
[00:15] <lukjad86> Thanks
[00:15] <bodhi_zazen> lukjad86: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-linux.html
[00:15] <lukjad86> pleia2 Does it need any special setup or does it all just work it's way through?
[00:16] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen Ubuntu geek BLAH.
[00:16] <lukjad86> ;)
[00:16] <lukjad86> But thanks for the link
[00:16] <pleia2> hmm, ntop is different than I remember
[00:17] <pleia2> oh, they added a "web mode" which is confusing me
[00:17] <lukjad86> pleia2 Does the initial startup take a while?
[00:17] <lukjad86> Because it hasn't failed, but gave me an error that it is unable to create the base directory
[00:18] <pleia2> looks like it does need special configuration
[00:18] <bodhi_zazen> lukjad86: run it as sudo
[00:18] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen Yeah, I did
[00:18] <bodhi_zazen> ntop was very fast last time I looked at it lukjad86
[00:19] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen And it started fine but it just is sitting there
[00:19] <lukjad86> Mon 08 Mar 2010 07:15:47 PM EST  **ERROR** RRD: Disabled - unable to create base directory (err 13, /var/lib/ntop/rrd)
[00:19] <pleia2> hrm
[00:19] <lukjad86> Shall I restart it?
[00:19] <bodhi_zazen>  mkdir /var/lib/ntop/rrd -p
[00:19] <bodhi_zazen> then re start
[00:20] <lukjad86> hah. My mom walked in and saw me staring at the terminal and said: "how can you have fun doing that all the time?"
[00:20] <pleia2> lol
[00:20] <lukjad86> bodhi_zazen is the -p part of the command or just your comment?
[00:20] <pleia2> part of the command
[00:20] <bodhi_zazen> -p is part of the command
[00:21] <pleia2> it makes parent directories if they don't exist
[00:21] <lukjad86> That is good to know, thanks
[00:21] <lukjad86> Same error
[00:22] <lukjad86> Oh, wait. Another sub-directory :P
[00:23] <lukjad86> It's like it wants a million sub-directories
[00:24] <pleia2> hmm, the debian package set all the stuff up for me
[00:24] <pleia2> is librrd4 installed?
[00:24] <pleia2> sorry, this is turning into a whole 'nother project :)
[00:25] <lukjad86> pleia2 heh.
[00:25] <stlsaint> lo pleia2
[00:25] <lukjad86> ahh, 20 errors
[00:25] <pleia2> g'day stlsaint
[00:25] <stlsaint> lo lukjad86
[00:26] <lukjad86> Hey steelsteve
[00:26] <lukjad86> stlsaint
[00:26] <lukjad86> librrd4 is already the newest version.
[00:26] <lukjad86> I'll work on this in the morn, thanks for the help stlsaint :)
[00:27] <lukjad86> s/stlsaint/pleia2
[00:27] <lukjad86> pleia2 :)
[00:27] <pleia2> lukjad86: welcome, good luck! :)
[00:27] <lukjad86> :)
[00:31] <stlsaint> lukjad86: your welcome ;)
[00:32] <serverduck> How and from were can i install a different theme and login screen for my 9.10 ubuntu?
[00:36] <stlsaint> serverduck: just download a theme and install form your system>preferences interface
[00:38] <serverduck> from appearance?
[00:38] <stlsaint> serverduck: yes sorry
[00:39] <serverduck> it sens me here for other themes
[00:39] <serverduck> http://art.gnome.org/themes/
[00:39] <serverduck> but were do i download the themes
[00:39] <serverduck> what are the themes called here>
[00:39] <serverduck> splash screens?
[00:40] <serverduck> ohh my
[00:40] <serverduck> splash screen is a desktop wallpaper right?
[00:41] <stlsaint> no
[00:41] <serverduck> wops you're right
[00:42] <serverduck> don't know what those are
[00:42] <serverduck> I'm confused because it only gives me 5 categories and can't find an actual theme
[00:43] <serverduck> At least I found login screens:P
[00:43] <stlsaint> cool
[00:43] <serverduck> Where do you  install those?
[00:46] <serverduck> I found how, thanks anyway.
[02:52] <serverduck> Someone still on?:)
[02:52] <serverduck> I installed xsensor on my laptop but when starting it i only get a blank window no temperatures..no nothing...why?
[03:15] <ShadowKnight> hey, i was wondering. is ubuntu good to use with kubuntu and xubuntu? what are the benefits and drawbacks to using them?
[03:19] <mcw> how do we enable twinview in 9.10?
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: ping
[05:46] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, pong
[05:46] <DarkwingDuck> hey, answered my own question lol
[09:11] <Joeb454_> morning
[09:12] <pedro3005> hey Joeb454
[09:12] <Joeb454_> hi pedro3005
[09:13] <pedro3005> Joeb454_, do you have the bad feeling UBT is dying?
[09:14] <Joeb454_> pedro3005, I wouldn't say dying...struggling with growth - definitely
[09:14] <pedro3005> Joeb454_, struggling with growth, that may be it
[09:14] <pedro3005> Joeb454_, the team is becoming way too official and organized
[09:15] <ikt> erm
[09:15] <Joeb454_> pedro3005, I think that comes with the size, there's a need for more officialness
[09:15] <Joeb454_> but maybe not too much
[09:16] <Joeb454_> pedro3005, also - people leaving is probably also due to varying real life factors
[09:16] <Joeb454_> that's the reason I'm stepping down from the council
[09:16] <pedro3005> Joeb454_, idk, I don't feel the team as friendly and social as it used to be
[09:17] <Joeb454_> pedro3005, I think 90% of that is to do with the size - it's too big to be the same team where everybody knows everybody else now
[09:18] <pedro3005> Joeb454, and the meetings & planning are too official and bureaucrat
[09:19] <Joeb454_> +1, though that's definitely to do with the growing pains
[09:19] <pedro3005> Joeb454, why can't we organize what is strictly necessary for helping beginners? maybe we became more pre-occupied with setting things up than using them
[09:20] <Silver_Fox_> Hello joeb454 :)
[09:21] <Joeb454_> hi Silver_Fox_
[09:21] <Joeb454_> I feel dirty, I'm on Xchat, on Windows
[09:21] <Joeb454_> pedro3005, that's a good point, though I'm not sure what the answer is
[09:22] <pedro3005> Joeb454_, well, gotta run. see you around
[09:23] <Joeb454_> pedro3005, see you later
[09:23] <Silver_Fox_> Bye pedro3005
[09:23] <pedro3005> Silver_Fox_, hi & bye :)
[09:28] <talsemgeest> Hey Silver_Fox_ and Joeb454_ :)
[09:28] <talsemgeest> Joeb454_: It has been a while :)
[09:29] <Joeb454_> hi talsemgeest...that it has :)
[09:29] <Joeb454_> how're you?
[09:29] <talsemgeest> Joeb454_: Very good, busy with school. Hows things with you?
[09:30] <Joeb454_> talsemgeest, not too bad. A little ill, but still good.
[09:30] <talsemgeest> Joeb454_: Oh, whats the problem?
[09:30] <Joeb454_> talsemgeest, I think this is the longest I've been on IRC for at least a month
[09:30] <Joeb454_> talsemgeest, just a cold, and aches
[09:31] <talsemgeest> Joeb454_: Ah, nothing too serious then :)
[09:31]  * talsemgeest is back in hospital on thursday
[09:31] <Joeb454_> no nothing too bad
[09:31] <Joeb454_> talsemgeest, why's that?
[09:31] <Silver_Fox_> Its talsemgeest  !
[09:31] <talsemgeest> Joeb454_: I got diagnosed with ITP earlier in the year, my immune system destroyed all my platelets. All healthy now, just need a checkup and a bloodtest
[09:31] <talsemgeest> Its Silver_Fox_!
[09:32] <Silver_Fox_> where>?
[09:32]  * talsemgeest looks quickly around the room and spots nothing
[09:35] <Joeb454_> talsemgeest, that sucks :( but at least you're healthy again, that's all that matters I guess
[09:36] <talsemgeest> Joeb454_: Yup, and a 30% chance I will stay that way :)
[09:36] <Joeb454_> :)
[13:37] <ShadowKnight> hi, i was wondering. im running ubuntu is it good to install kubuntu (and/ or xubuntu) at the same time? is there any draw backs or any benefits from that?
[13:57] <michae1> epilogue... I know I should install server edition, but am not up on the command line terminology.
[13:58] <michae1> What I did was download desktop 9.10 and would like to know what server software it is I need to install on top of the desktop kernel to get it to act / work like a server.
[13:59] <michae1> and I understand that there are apps on the desktop I don't need on a server, but am more after being able to do this through an intuitive gui.
[14:07] <canthus13> michae1: I wouldn't try it if you're not willing to use the command line.
[14:07] <canthus13> MOST server configuration is done via command line/editing config files.
[14:09] <canthus13> There are web-based interfaces available such as (depricated) webmin.
[14:09] <canthus13> But as I said before, most of the configuration is going to be done via command line and config file editing.
[14:10]  * canthus13 learned most of his command line skills from setting up his own personal server.
[14:37] <michae1> canthus13: is there a cheat sheet somewhere as it relates to installing and setting up the server kernel? My initial goal here is to solve a master browser issue where four or five xp machines are fighting with one another and seriously bogging down a home / office network.
[14:45] <canthus13> michae1: That I'm not sure about.  I'd just get the server install CD and go from there.  as far as setting up Samba to be the master browser.... I'd check #samba if google doesn't turn up anything.
[14:46] <ShadowKnight> hey, i was wondering two things. what is this beryl project (i heard it compares to aero so i was wondering that) and is there a way that you can file share through windows and linux i heard something about samba and i was wondering what that was.
[14:47] <Silver_Fox_> beryl was replaced with compiz-fusion
[14:47] <Silver_Fox_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[14:47] <Silver_Fox_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82ZTV82OmKo
[14:48] <canthus13> ShadowKnight: Samba is an implementation of SMB/CIFS for linux.
[14:49] <canthus13> ShadowKnight: It supports all sorts of windows-specific networking features, not just file sharing.
[14:49] <ShadowKnight> oh okay thank you silver_fox that is very helpful. and also thanks canthus13 :)
[14:50] <canthus13> ShadowKnight: No prob.  check out http://www.samba.org for more info.
[14:50] <ShadowKnight> okay, will do :)
[14:53] <canthus13> michae1: Err. Now that I think about it, you probably just need to install Samba on a desktop install to solve your master browser issue.
[16:20] <ARC0112358> My RDP client keeps getting disconnected - can someone help me?
[17:08] <michae1> canthus13: sorry about the vacant stare, was tending to prep'ing last ears expenses for accountant to do taxes.
[17:09] <michae1> canthus13: do I go to samba.org and download latest for install on top of desktop kernel?
[17:12] <canthus13> michae1: Nah. It's in the repositories.
[17:12] <canthus13> Just install it from the software center.
[17:13] <canthus13> Might also install gadmin-samba as well to allow you to administer it.
[17:13] <canthus13> Oh, and I think this is the information you're interested in:  http://elibrary.fultus.com/technical/topic/com.fultus.redhat.elinux4/manuals/rhel-rg-en-4/s1-samba-network-browsing.html
[17:56] <michae1> canthus13: feeling a little on the on slope here, but when you say software center...
[17:57] <michae1> !!! replace the 2nd on with up !!! bad typo.
[20:27] <michae1> bodhi_zazen: wondering if you might have a moment to continue the conversation from last night?
[20:39] <bodhi_zazen> michae1: what you need ?
[20:50] <michae1> I know you said to just install the server kernel with the webmin interface as I'm not so fluent in command line. As far as setting the rest of the server up, that's pretty much straight forward from there on in, yes?
[20:58] <anditosan> I installed ubuntu on an msi x600 and everything works except the integrated microphone. It does not record. Ubuntu doesn't seem to be able to see it. What can i do?
[22:14] <bodhi_zazen> michae1: yes
[22:14] <bodhi_zazen> sorry for the delay
[22:14] <bodhi_zazen> ping me if you need
[22:14] <bodhi_zazen> You do not need the server kernel
[22:14] <bodhi_zazen> the server kernel is optimized for servers
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> so, it it is a dedicated server, install the server edition of Ubuntu
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> then install webmin
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> michae1: http://www.webxpert.ro/andrei/2009/10/29/install-webmin-on-ubuntu-server-or-desktop-9-10-karmic-koala/
[22:49] <DiGiGoth> i want to write an alias that runs a few commands, but i want it to ask me if to run the last command, how ? :)
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> DiGiGoth: what ?
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> you run the last command with !!
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> or the up arrow key
[22:53] <bodhi_zazen> apt-get update
[22:53] <bodhi_zazen> sudo !!
[22:58] <DiGiGoth> not this :)...
[22:58] <DiGiGoth> i want the alias to do for example "ifconfig wlan0 down" and then to ask me if to do "ifconfig wlan0 up"
[23:03] <Phrea> could somebody explain why sometimes a GUI is called a GUI and why sometimes something is called a Window Manger?
[23:03] <Phrea> what is the difference between say Gnome/KDE and some of the other gui/window managers out there?
[23:04] <DarkwingDuck> GUI = Graphic User Interface  - It's deeper in core then the WM
[23:05] <Phrea> that I understand
[23:05] <Phrea> ...but how?
[23:05] <Phrea> both still use x.org...
[23:05] <Phrea> or xorg or whatever it's called
[23:06] <DarkwingDuck> There are more differences between KDE and GNOME then just the Window Managers
[23:06] <Phrea> where's the line between a GUI and a WM?
[23:06] <Phrea> I know both Gnome and KDE are GUI's
[23:06] <DarkwingDuck> Right.
[23:06] <Phrea> but xfce for instance is called a WM sometimes...
[23:06] <DarkwingDuck> the WMs are... It shouldn't be
[23:06] <Phrea> and enlightenment etc
[23:07] <DarkwingDuck> Those are also GUIs and not WMs
[23:07] <Phrea> oh ok, so what is a WM then?
[23:07] <Phrea> [I ask this purely out of curiosity]
[23:07] <Phrea> is Compiz considered a WM then?
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> Yes.
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> Here is a good read
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/xwtf.html
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> this will help explain
[23:08] <Phrea> ok
[23:08] <Phrea> thanks
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> your welcome
[23:09] <Phrea> I'm still trying to get to grips with the fact that I'll be running Linux on both my desktop boxes soon
[23:09] <DarkwingDuck> :) Good feeling isn't it?
[23:10] <Phrea> it's both a good feeling and very scary
[23:10] <DarkwingDuck> Just wait and you'll be alpha and beta testing
[23:10] <Phrea> I prob wont :)
[23:11] <Phrea> I'm just a user
[23:11] <DarkwingDuck> that's what I said.
[23:11] <Phrea> and I've been using Ubu for almost a year on my default box now
[23:11] <Phrea> but going over on both boxes still is scary :D
[23:12] <DarkwingDuck> :D I got it on my wifes lappy... that was fun for a while.
[23:12] <Phrea> I'll switch full time
[23:12] <Phrea> no going back
[23:13] <DarkwingDuck> That's what I did,
[23:13] <Phrea> I'm only halfway there
[23:13] <DarkwingDuck> and I have jumped through crazy hoops to keep it that way
[23:13] <Phrea> gheh
[23:13] <Phrea> I bet you have
[23:13] <Phrea> and I bet I will too
[23:14] <DarkwingDuck> Funny thing is I have not given anything up yet. I have bent the hell out of it though
[23:14] <Phrea> :)
[23:14] <Phrea> I wont give up either
[23:14] <Phrea> I HAVE to switch
[23:14] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[23:15] <Phrea> well, thanks for the read
[23:15] <Phrea> I've bookmarked it, will read it later this week
[23:33] <steelsteve> ok, erm, help?
[23:33] <steelsteve> I lost (on the panels) my battery and my volume menus
[23:33] <steelsteve> can't seem to find them under 'add to panel'
[23:34] <phillw> steelsteve: ##devil ?