=== robbiew is now known as robbiew_ === emma_ is now known as emma [10:02] hi [10:02] persia, elky, lifeless, Hi [10:03] Oh ok! [10:03] Hey [10:03] lifeless: you there? [10:04] perhaps s: [10:04] :P [10:04] quorum! [10:04] Hey folks,. [10:04] TheMuso, Hi [10:05] i see no duluu [10:05] om26er, Hi [10:05] There's an om26er_ though. Shall we start? [10:05] amachu, hello [10:05] sure lets go [10:06] elky, yep [10:06] om26er, please introduce yourself [10:07] elky, my name is omer akram I live in pakistan spend most of the time at launchpad I am 19 [10:07] om26er_, what do you do on launchpad? [10:07] I very much enjoy triaging [10:08] elky, triage bugs for empathy, gwibber indicator-* a bit software center etc [10:09] Before coming to triaging I used to help people at #ubutnu [10:10] om26er_, are you part of Ubuntu Pakistan Loco? [10:11] amachu, no I just joined the team, [10:11] actually people here use computer in english [10:11] om26er_, just? How long? [10:11] om26er_, there's still things locos can do even in english-using places. === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [10:12] the ubuntu-pk channel only have a few people there [10:12] om26er_, well more now that you're there ;) [10:12] hi all [10:13] freeflying, welcome [10:13] elky: thx [10:14] lifeless: persia, TheMuso, questions for om26er_? [10:14] no [10:15] do you have anyone here to cheer for you? [10:15] om26er_: Your wiki page has no testimonials. Have you tried to solicit some from fellow triagers? [10:16] persia, I am a little shy in that area [10:17] om26er_, i'm sure we could find you a mentor :) [10:17] elky, yes I was considering that [10:19] Shall we go to vote, or are there further questions? [10:19] I think +0 for me at this point. You have made a good start, but I would like to see more sustained contributions. [10:20] * persia is ready to vote [10:20] om26er_: how long have you been triaging? [10:20] om26er_, would like to see testimonials, more links to substantiate what has been said, have give +0 this time.. [10:21] lifeless, three months [10:21] persia, lifeless ? [10:21] so, 200 a month or so [10:21] jcastro, can you please have testimonial [10:21] +1 from me [10:21] -1 from me. Most activity is in triaging, but mixed comments in -bugs and no testimonials. [10:22] persia, what kind of contribution can a person in a country where people dont mostly use computers [10:22] +0 from me, 3 months is really short these days. I'd like to see you get a mentor for a bit and come back to us. [10:22] I cant create a loco here [10:23] om26er_: I'm not looking for a loco. Bugwork is great. I'd just like to see support from other people involved in the same area you're working in, especially because I see some negative commentary in the -bugs channel sometimes. [10:24] om26er_, karma in launchpad is good.. keep up the good work.. [10:24] thanks all [10:24] nigelb, Hi [10:25] shall I introduce myself? [10:25] nigelb, sure, go ahead [10:25] Hi, I'm Nigel from India. My contribution to Ubuntu includes participation with Beginners Team, Bug Squad, Ubuntu Community Learning Project, Classroom Team, and User Days Team. [10:25] I'm learning to fix bugs and moving towards joining MOTU. As part of the Bug Squad, I've adopted Rhythmbox package - triaging the bugs and coordinating with upstream. I also created an apport hook for Rhythmbox for easier triaging. [10:25] Recently, I've been thinking of joining the Ubuntu Reviewers to help deal with 2K+ bugs with patches. I've already started working on a few. [10:25] Please see more details of my contributions at my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NigelBabu [10:26] Unfortunately no one to cheer me because most of the people I have worked with for a long time are in US timezone [10:27] But, I guess leoquant is here :) [10:27] since we have quorum and then some, I'm going to recuse myself from this vote and provide a testimonial for nigelb instead. [10:27] I'll cheer for nigelb, even though I failed to add a testimonial. [10:27] +1 for nigelb [10:27] nigelb, has also been a great encourager of the ubuntu-women team. [10:27] thanks elky [10:27] great effort/contribution==>ubuntu user days [10:29] I didn't mention UW because I wasn't sure if I was doing too much to help there, except help issyl when she wanted help with triaging and of course encouraging :) [10:29] nigelb, mentoring issyl0 is a wonderful help, and so is being encouraging [10:29] elky: :) [10:30] nigelb: So, how do you manage to spend so much time on Ubuntu? [10:31] persia: I dont spend so much time. I spend only around 2 hours a day, except when I'm trying to fix a bug and flounder around [10:31] most of the time, my laptop is on and connected but I'll be away studying [10:31] Ah, you have achieved the trick of visibility :) [10:32] persia: well, from you ;) [10:32] he's lying. i theorise he has an rj45 socket, matrix style. [10:32] haha. I lead a busy life. I work and study. In fact I've taken an hour off from work for this meeting [10:32] i suppose an unanimous +1 for nigelb [10:33] We should vote. [10:33] * lifeless is still looking [10:33] nigelb++ [10:33] thanks AlanBell :) [10:33] njpatel: great job, congrats :) [10:33] ok, ready to vote [10:34] +1 [10:34] +1 [10:35] +1 [10:35] +1 [10:35] +1 [10:35] * elky recused. [10:36] welcome nigelb [10:36] yeah, great congrats nigelb \o/ [10:36] yay! [10:36] amachu: thank you :) [10:36] I'm honored :) [10:37] dul* isn't here [10:38] lifeless, yep [10:38] elky: meta: 3 months is reasonably sustained IMO - its more than a school holiday kindof thing. Not saying its enough either; just don't think its particularly short. [10:38] seems not. has anyone actually ever laid eyes on him [10:39] lifeless, these days I find it to be short. however it wasnt the only factor, everyone else already said the rest [10:39] elky: right, I'm not bothered about the rest :P [10:40] tough :P [10:40] lifeless, true.. [10:40] * persia tends to balance "significant" and "sustained" such that a higher volume of work takes less time (but 2-3 months feels like a minimum) [10:40] .c [10:40] persia, on the expiry of team? [10:40] amachu: The CC is currently finishing the debate about how we get reelected. That ought be resolved within a couple weeks. [10:40] elky: I don't think we should be moving the goalposts is what I'm saying. [10:41] With luck we'll be able to solicit guidance after the next CC meeting. [10:41] lifeless, did you read the recent emails? [10:41] elky: which ones [10:41] persia, Ok [10:41] btw, my main reason for 0 was that i'd like to see some mentoring [10:41] I think the outcome was appropriate [10:41] I have /no/ issue with it [10:42] so we shall meet 22 Mar 10, 10.00 UTC [10:42] 23 March 10 [10:42] lifeless, the threads dholbach has been involved in [10:43] I'll be asleep then : I fly in thata morning at 7am. [10:43] eh? [10:44] dholbach, the mails between the member-granting councils/boards re membership criteria [10:45] elky: if its the thread I think it was, I commented in it [10:45] elky: Do you have a subject for those? I'm not sure I've read that sort of thing recently. [10:45] persia, clarification: attaining membership [10:45] all the feedback I got was massaged into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership (in December) [10:45] they discussed duration of contribution, so it's not /us/ moving the goalposts as lifeless suggested [10:46] (my only reason for mentioning it) [10:48] Re-reading that thread (sorry for the confusion, I don't consider 3 months ago recent), I'm not sure there was consensus on timing. [10:49] Personally speaking, I don't consider less than two months sufficient, and don't tend to give extra points for > 6 months except under exceptional circumstances. [10:49] persia, well, it was published to the /Membership wikipage [10:50] * elky shrugs [10:50] * persia looks again [10:50] and it was no "they" and "us" discussion - all membership boards were in the discussion [10:50] elky: Indeed. I missed that edit when reviewing the discussion. I concur. [10:51] do you think we should have the discussion about timespan again? [10:51] dholbach: There is no "they" and "us" in Ubuntu generally. [10:53] elky: so yes, I provided the wording that is on /Membership in fact [10:54] Anyway, let's move on. I think we can all agree that the wording at /Membership is correct (or raise that in a wider thread). [10:54] so if necessary, I'm happy to participate in another discussion about it - do you need anything else from me? :) [10:54] dholbach, there is an us in this discussion -- the people on this board at this meeting involved in that decision. [10:54] Some of us may be willing to accept some folk with less time, under some conditions. Complete approval is likely to remain "rare". [10:55] gnight [10:55] elky: sorry, I probably could have been clearer - I just meant to clarify that all the membership boards plus the CC were in that discussion back then [10:55] persia, true [10:55] persia, sure. [10:55] dholbach, i'm aware. [10:55] elky: dholbach: Could we agree that "the threads discussed ... and "us" as in this board? [10:55] there's contexts, yes. [10:56] * persia is temporarily annoyed at English overloading the same word to indicate a collection of objects and a connetion of people [10:56] s/nn/ll/ [10:57] Do we have anything else? [10:59] not from my side [12:59] o/ [13:00] o\ [13:00] meep [13:00] moo [13:00] * ogra quickly gets a coffee ... missed that [13:00] * asac too [13:01] * persia waits for the wiki page to finish saving [13:01] back i am [13:01] * plars hangs another bag of caffeine on the I.V. and cranks up the drip [13:01] hello [13:02] #startmeeting [13:02] Meeting started at 07:02. The chair is NCommander. [13:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [13:02] * NCommander coughs [13:02] umm, no action items from last week? [13:02] hi NCommander ;) [13:02] * GrueMaster digs for #2 toothpicks and inserts them under eyelids. [13:02] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100309 [13:02] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100309 [13:03] JamieBennett: shoud i add ogras AR? [13:03] i think i saw that in mail ;) [13:03] * JamieBennett didn't see that [13:03] re [13:03] seems i dreamt that ;) [13:04] ok lets start i guess :) [13:04] * ogra didnt send it yet ... there was a discussion about logs that kept me from sending it :P [13:04] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html [13:04] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html [13:04] [topic] Standing Items [13:04] New Topic: Standing Items [13:04] ogra: feel free to add to wiki directly ;) [13:04] will do [13:04] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) [13:04] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) [13:05] NCommander: slow down ;) [13:05] dude [13:05] Anything to comment on for work items? [13:05] where are they ? [13:05] so for beta [13:05] besides from office/email ... what can we do for the other specs? [13:05] powermanagement has two bugs somehow [13:05] that stops it from being finished [13:05] * cooloney waves at ogra [13:05] (the action items from last meeting i mean) [13:05] ogra: ? are those valid to block this spec? [13:06] NCommander: roll back [13:06] we are at standing items review of beta work itmes ;) [13:06] [topic] Beta Work Items [13:06] New Topic: Beta Work Items [13:06] There, now we're all on the same page :-) [13:06] for fsl-imx51, kernel just applied one patch to fix an subtle kernel oops bug found by jeremy kerr [13:06] lol [13:07] bug #531696 [13:07] Launchpad bug 531696 in linux-fsl-imx51 "mc13892 LED driver oopses on trigger action" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531696 [13:07] asac, regulators -> complete FSL patch missing ... not sure we *need* the fix actually ... based on FSL [13:08] and i did not get any feedback about one of my patch to fix the bsp building error [13:08] asac, numbers for idle case -> depends on vendors and we wont do any code changes based on it -> DROP [13:08] i think we forward it to fls [13:08] fsl [13:08] asac, what other tiems are you referring to in that spec ? [13:09] *items [13:09] ok i had a reconnect :( [13:09] can someone paste me the scroll back [13:09] and cross fingers that i stay up now [13:10] asac_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/391746/ [13:10] to late [13:10] sorry folks. please run the meeting not relying on me [13:11] Or your ISP [13:11] asac_, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/391746/ [13:11] :D === asac_ is now known as asac [13:11] ok cross fingers [13:11] * ogra crosses fingers [13:11] id dint get the paste before either [13:11] OK, back to work items [13:11] asac: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/391746/ [13:11] asac, so what items were you referring to in the spec ? [13:11] ok so should those bugs be linked to spec? [13:12] imho we can set them all to dropped unless something comes from FSL [13:12] or just tracked as bugs? [13:12] imo i would think that feature bugs should be linked [13:12] to specs, but not real bugs [13:12] which bugs exactly ? [13:12] ok lets unlink them [13:12] hmm wasnt powermanagement spec linked to bugs? [13:12] yes [13:13] sadly the spec page gives no overview about the bug status :( [13:13] i think most of them are fix released [13:13] * NCommander has the action items for this week once ogra releases the wiki page lock [13:14] bug 509006 [13:14] Launchpad bug 509006 in linux-mvl-dove "[dove] hibernation failed to resume" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509006 [13:14] i dont do anything on the page [13:14] thats still open [13:14] NCommander, grab it [13:14] -> unlink [13:14] ? [13:14] fix rather ? [13:14] that's not fixed [13:14] I think GrueMaster said he tested that yesterday, and that it was still broken [13:14] right. my question was if we should make specs for bug tracking [13:14] well, we'Re in kernel freeze ? [13:14] if we cant close a spec if there are bugs left we can never finalize it for a milestone [13:15] action items up [13:15] asac, which spec depends on hibernation? [13:15] I tested both apw's kernel and the latest image. [13:15] well, then unlink [13:15] if we say: its ok to be behind because we track bugs that come out of specs thats fine [13:15] we'll do those once we finish Standing Items [13:15] ericm_: power management [13:15] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-arm-per-soc-powermanagement [13:15] apw's kernel failed, but the latest image worked fine. [13:15] GrueMaster, did you tell that apw ? [13:15] ok lets move on to another spec ;) [13:15] can we just unlink it, as I know hibernation shouldn't block power management [13:15] in other aspects [13:15] yes. It should be in the irc log. [13:16] lets screw it ... i will approach you individually after the meeting ;) [13:16] unlinked [13:16] too many reconnects ;) [13:16] ogra: thanks [13:16] asac: ++ [13:16] NCommander: lets go on with standing items [13:16] ;) [13:17] asac, action items first :) [13:17] right [13:17] those were not there when i last looked ;) [13:17] whoops ... i didnt do mine :( [13:17] asac, our chair is slacking :) [13:18] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) [13:18] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) [13:18] NCommander, action items please [13:18] [topic] Action Item review [13:18] New Topic: Action Item review [13:18] [topic] asac to talk to team about training session [13:18] New Topic: asac to talk to team about training session [13:18] i started to write on alpha-3 stuff ... i think -efl bugs are not yet done [13:18] * NCommander was dealing with a very persistant cat [13:18] NCommander: i lost context on training session ;) [13:18] we did one [13:18] that was the thumb2 session [13:18] that was about the thumb2? [13:18] yup [13:19] yeah then that was done two weeks ago ;) [13:19] so strike [13:19] asac: (these action items are from 2 weeks ago) [13:19] [topic] asac and JamieBennett to triage netbook-launcher-efl bugs [13:19] New Topic: asac and JamieBennett to triage netbook-launcher-efl bugs [13:19] keep bloggin and -efl bugs [13:19] cf [13:19] asac: cf? [13:19] carry forward [13:19] carry forward [13:19] carry forward [13:19] * NCommander hears an echo [13:19] or creepy fish [13:19] no need to make topics for each of the items ;) [13:19] but go ahead [13:20] [topic] ogra to file a bug on LP not tracking bug links to blueprints or sending emails [13:20] New Topic: ogra to file a bug on LP not tracking bug links to blueprints or sending emails [13:20] co [13:20] [topic] NCommander to investigate KDE FTBFS issues [13:20] New Topic: NCommander to investigate KDE FTBFS issues [13:20] tuxdavis took this one over, and found the kdebindings crash [13:20] the fix you mean? [13:20] yeah, seems its fixed [13:20] s/crash/fix [13:20] right. last i looked there were not so many issues [13:20] its not on the ftbfs list since some days [13:20] kdeedu was still unhappy [13:20] I'll look at it sometime this week [13:21] so I guess c/o on this one too [13:21] [topic] GrueMaster to produce a daily report on image testing and add that to the weekly meeting page [13:21] New Topic: GrueMaster to produce a daily report on image testing and add that to the weekly meeting page [13:21] WIP [13:21] co? [13:21] are you adding it atm ? [13:21] Started this week [13:21] thats fixed also [13:21] right GrueMaster and me discussed this and its moving ;) [13:22] i dont think we need to carry that forward [13:22] [topic] everyone to try rootstock GUI once its in the archive [13:22] New Topic: everyone to try rootstock GUI once its in the archive [13:22] * ogra had feedback from asac so far on rootstock ui testing [13:22] we will see that when checking it [13:22] i tested it quite a bit [13:22] though not to full image ;) [13:22] the rest of the team are slackers ! [13:22] because of the qemu hangs [13:22] right [13:22] i'm hoping the recent upload changes something in qemu [13:22] is that fixed now ? [13:22] no [13:23] hmm so the new image format didnt help? [13:23] and i cant test until glib is built and promoted [13:23] I was told by ogra to wait for his fix :) [13:23] on the KDE compile failure tuxdavis concluded its a fault in the toolchain causing the segfault. kdebindings, kdeedu and other non kde packages are affected. I've worked out it in kdebindings by not compiling smoke on ARM [13:23] nope, but there was a fix for disk IO tonight [13:23] ogra: you should really make alocal mirror out of a apt-cache [13:23] plars, you can test minimal images once glib is there [13:23] Riddell: thanks! [13:23] Riddell: is that ok? [13:23] or a bad hack=? [13:23] sadly glib breaks debootstrap atm [13:24] (we now pull glib into minimal builds since recently ) [13:24] Argh [13:24] ew [13:24] * ogra waits whan gtk will enter too [13:24] * StevenK didn't want to hear that bit [13:24] I just ate, damn it [13:24] hmm glib in minimal? what is pulling that? [13:24] send flowers to plymouth :) [13:24] * NCommander seconds StevenK's emotion [13:24] oh [13:24] ok [13:24] !ohmy [13:24] Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [13:24] ok lets move on [13:25] summary: qemu is in bad state still :/ no idea whats going on [13:25] right [13:25] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)  [13:25] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)) [13:25] asac: it'll do for kdebindings but the problem is likely to reappear elsewhere [13:25] well, i have a better idea [13:25] ogra: please try the file writing/reading loop [13:25] ;) [13:25] right, [13:25] in a qemu to check if its reproducible by that [13:25] it is our turn? [13:25] asac, next aftzer stracing apt [13:25] cooloney: go ahead [13:25] for fsl-imx51, kernel just applied one patch to fix an subtle kernel oops bug found by jeremy kerr [13:25] bug #531696 [13:25] Launchpad bug 531696 in linux-fsl-imx51 "mc13892 LED driver oopses on trigger action" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531696 [13:26] i think i sent this patch to ogra [13:26] yeah, i need to forward it to paul still [13:26] it should be included in fsl's bsp [13:26] wil do that before the call today [13:26] ogra: ok, thanks [13:26] and how about the regulator issue? [13:27] given that next BSP is only plannae dfor end of may its not that urgent i think ... [13:27] ok so that patch came from fsl? [13:27] cooloney, last call was skipped [13:27] i'll bring it up today [13:27] ok [13:27] ogra: right, understand [13:27] whats the status on regulators? [13:27] FSL is definately aware [13:27] we had enough mails on that [13:27] still missing a patch? [13:27] yeah [13:27] a part of the patch is missing [13:28] right. lets bring it up today [13:28] right [13:28] thats the plan [13:28] right, i just got one patch will will break our kernel [13:28] * ogra would still looooove to see a fix for bug 457878 [13:28] Launchpad bug 457878 in linux-fsl-imx51 "imx51 on board ethernet plug/unplug events not detected" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/457878 [13:28] and i also sent out a patch to fix the building error before [13:28] [ACTION] ogra and asac raise regulator patch issue again with fsl [13:28] +1 ogra [13:28] is that any feedback [13:28] [ACTION] ogra and asac raise regulator patch issue again with fsl [13:28] ACTION received: ogra and asac raise regulator patch issue again with fsl [13:28] but i'm not having high hopes [13:29] ogra: i am working on that [13:29] cooloney: do you have any idea? [13:29] * ogra humps cooloney's leg [13:29] and is preparing a patch to add phylib support into fec.c [13:29] or waiting on fsl input? [13:29] becuase the upstream also like to see that [13:29] asac, we know whats wrong, its just a hell lot of work [13:29]