[02:32] <GeekSquid> Help, we need to get rid of a troll in #ubuntu!!!
[02:33] <GeekSquid> !ops
[05:38] <jussi01> o/
[06:44] <Flannel> Howdy natetheis, how can we help you today?
[06:44] <natetheis> Hello, I have a handy reputation tracker bot, are you guys interested?
[06:45] <Flannel> natetheis: Probably not, we've got plenty of bots already.
[06:45] <natetheis> Kay
[06:45] <natetheis> bye
[06:45] <Flannel> Have a nice evening :)
[07:21]  * elky waits for indus.
[07:21] <pleia2> heh
[07:23] <jussi01> he goes to -irc in anycase...
[07:23] <indus> hi
[07:23] <indus> so this channel #ubuntu-women is for women only i assume
[07:23] <jussi01> indus: #ubuntu-women is covered by #ubuntu-irc
[07:24] <indus> they are so prejudiced anyway
[07:40] <dholbach> good morning
[08:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> I was wondering if it matters that a -ot member is trolling in the #jesus channel?
[08:40] <ikonia> probably because you keep going on about the #jesus channel
[08:40] <ikonia> it is up to #jesus to control their own channel
[08:40] <ikonia> but it would certainly help if you didn't mention it as flannel suggested
[08:41] <SpaceGhostC2C> I said earlier that I heard someone !o4o another about religion.
[08:42] <ikonia> so ?
[08:42] <ikonia> it's upt to #jesus to control their own channel, we only look after the ubuntu name space
[08:42] <SpaceGhostC2C> You know what? I don't really care about the issue. paddy is a troll no matter where he goes. Later
[08:42] <ikonia> bye
[08:43] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops SpaceGhostC2C seems to create more issues out of nothing then complains that other users are involved in said issues
[08:59] <MenZa> ikonia: meh, shrug it off. SpaceGhostC2C just seems a bit eager to get himself noticed, as far as I get it.
[09:05] <ikonia> MenZa: everything he does ends up as a "problem" though
[09:10] <DJones> Can somebody keep an eye on #ubuntu for the spanish speakers that seem to have just joined
[09:11] <ikonia> yup
[09:12] <ikonia> ????
[09:29] <Myrtti> ohai peeps
[09:46] <ikonia> gone
[09:50] <elky> I love it when they prove themselves.
[11:01] <SpaceGhostC2C> In -ot, it's cool if I don't respond to an op on chat topics right? Not like rules, but just for the offtopic chat.
[11:02] <SpaceGhostC2C> I won't get in trouble for not engaging in discussion, right?
[11:04] <elky> you're not obliged to engage socially, if that's what you're asking
[11:04] <SpaceGhostC2C> elky: that was what I was asking. Thanks.
[11:05] <SpaceGhostC2C> elky: not answering a op in a chatty way cannot be construed as breaking the rules right?
[11:05] <SpaceGhostC2C> socially, that is
[11:05] <SpaceGhostC2C> Or deserving any sort of kick/ban
[11:05] <elky> i've already said that
[11:06] <SpaceGhostC2C> Thanks elky.
[11:06] <jussi01> Ok, ?
[11:07] <elky> my "up to something" detector is announcing a reading
[11:08] <gord> he's not up to something, just mildly annoying. spends a lot of time in there
[11:13] <elky> when someone wants a string to match against, they're up to something.
[11:13] <elky> (something being broad)
[14:20]  * genii makes a large pot of coffee
[16:30] <ikonia> Pici: ping please
[16:33] <Pici> ikonia: Whats up?
[16:35] <ikonia> Pici: just a quick one, I "think" I remember seeing a discussion about #kubuntu+1 being a forward to #ubuntu+!
[16:35] <ikonia> #ubuntu+1 - and you'd set it, or something along those lines
[16:37] <Pici> ikonia: And is #kubuntu+1 not working now?
[16:37] <ikonia> it's set to invite only, rather than a forward
[16:37] <ikonia> (sorry wasn't %100 sure if it was you that was having the discussion)
[16:38] <Pici> I had mentioned that it forwards to #u+1 at one point.
[16:38] <Pici> And it should be working...
[16:38] <ikonia> set to invite only
[16:39] <Pici> Forwards are supposed to be setup with mode +if #newchannel
[16:39] <ikonia> I'll double check it
[16:41] <ikonia> Pici: sorry - my bad, it does work, it's because I'm already in #ubuntu+1
[16:41] <Pici> ikonia: its okay :)
[16:57] <Myrtti> apparently ssh over internet is dangerous
[16:58] <Myrtti> i never knew
[17:11] <charlie-tca> it is?
[17:12] <charlie-tca> I thought it is safer than NFS?
[17:15] <Myrtti> it is
[17:16]  * charlie-tca gives Myrtti coffee and a hug
[18:42] <jussi01> o/
[19:33] <jpds> ubottu: tell cboyer1951 about yourself
[19:37] <Pici> ubottu enjoys long walks on the beach
[19:38] <ikonia> ha
[20:12] <jussi01> I swear I should add some factoids like that...
[20:13] <jussi01> like: !ubottuenjoys long walks on the beach is <reply>but only with mneptok
[20:13] <jussi01> :P
[20:13] <jussi01> anyway, bed time
[20:54] <SpaceGhostC2C> Hmm, someone seems to like playing with me.
[20:54] <SpaceGhostC2C> Can I talk to a op who isn't ikonia about the issue?
[20:55] <ikonia> what ?
[20:55] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: I asked you to talk in clear english as you where using phrases like "U" - you responded with NO U
[20:55] <ikonia> it was a polite and clear request
[20:55] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: it is a meme.
[20:55] <ikonia> I don't care what it is
[20:55] <SpaceGhostC2C> i wasnt tlkn lik dis.
[20:55] <ikonia> I just aslked you to talk in clear English
[20:56] <SpaceGhostC2C> Yeah, whatever.
[20:56] <ikonia> no "whatever" about it
[20:57] <ikonia> it was a clear request as people had asked you / suggested you stop
[20:57] <ikonia> I made it a clear request
[20:57] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops SpaceGhostC2C again problem user in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:57] <SpaceGhostC2C> Haha, he banned me.
[20:57] <SpaceGhostC2C> Wow.
[20:58] <ikonia> I would have explained this had you not tried to run out of the channel
[20:58] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: I didn't need your explainations.
[20:58] <SpaceGhostC2C> I would rather have figured it out myself.
[20:58] <ikonia> then it should be no surpise you where banned if you didn't need it explained
[20:59] <SpaceGhostC2C> No, It's a surprise.
[20:59] <ikonia> ok, well now you know, so unless you want to discuss your ban, not much more to say
[20:59] <SpaceGhostC2C> I'd rather discuss with a mediator.
[20:59] <SpaceGhostC2C> I'm really not sure I'm going to be able to communicate effectively with you.
[21:00] <ikonia> there is nothing mediate, it's simple, use English when you speak in the channel, and when people ask you to change your behaviour "eg the speaking in English" just do it with out a smart response
[21:00] <SpaceGhostC2C> Personally, I think it's a personal vendetta. Lots of people say NO U.
[21:00] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: I'm not interested in other people at this time, I just saw you at this time and other users asking you to not do it
[21:00] <SpaceGhostC2C> I'd like to have another op.
[21:00] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: most people do not respond like that when asked by an op to stop behaviors.
[21:00] <SpaceGhostC2C> mneptok: I sent him a smiley face. It was in -ot, and we were having fun.
[21:01] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: it's very, very clear you know about this channel, and know that you can get mediation. yet you chose not to, and instead responded with a confrontational attitude.
[21:01] <ikonia> 20:54 < SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: NO U
[21:01] <ikonia> there is no smiley face
[21:01] <SpaceGhostC2C> It's so interesting that ikonia tends to be the one who calls me out.
[21:01] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: next message.
[21:01] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: there was no next message, you where removed from the channel
[21:01] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: I pressed enter then sent it.
[21:02] <SpaceGhostC2C> It's very much personal as far as I know.
[21:02] <SpaceGhostC2C> No other op calls me on stuff, but the ops do back him up.
[21:02] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: you feel ikonia has a personal grudge?
[21:02] <SpaceGhostC2C> mneptok: yes.
[21:02] <SpaceGhostC2C> and when I ask for a mediator, he says no. Sounds personal.
[21:02] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: how long have you felt that this behavior has been happening?
[21:03] <ikonia> there is nothing to mediate
[21:03] <ikonia> simple "sure no problem I'll change my language," that's all that is needed
[21:03] <SpaceGhostC2C> mneptok: probably two to three weeks.
[21:04] <topyli> SpaceGhostC2C, i for example have /queried you to ask you to stop certain things. ikonia is not on a quest, your behavior on -ot is genuinely a problem
[21:04] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: so, given you have felt for some time that you and ikonia have issues, when he asks you to stop using "U" you feel a good tactic given the circumstances is to say "NO U?"
[21:04] <SpaceGhostC2C> Mainly started during a problem that made me feel personally attacked.
[21:04] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: not something i'd do to someone i feel has personal issues with me,
[21:04] <SpaceGhostC2C> I was gonna send him a smiley, meaning it in jest.
[21:04] <SpaceGhostC2C> He hasn't had a civil word with me even in chat.
[21:05] <SpaceGhostC2C> Which is why I asked if it was okay to socially ignore him, not /ignore
[21:05] <ikonia> stop trying to deflect from your own behaviour
[21:05] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: then perhaps jokingly sparring with him is not the best idea.
[21:05] <SpaceGhostC2C> mneptok: clearly.
[21:05] <SpaceGhostC2C> It's like I have a babysitter, we sa NO U all the time.
[21:05] <SpaceGhostC2C> say*
[21:06] <ikonia> who's "we"
[21:06] <ikonia> I only saw YOU doing it
[21:06] <ikonia> so I spoke to YOU
[21:06] <ikonia> stop trying to deflect the issue
[21:06] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: TBH, i keep seeing you in this channel for many, many different issues. not all of them related to ikonia. have you ever stopped to consider that your behavior may well be the problem?
[21:06] <SpaceGhostC2C> mc44 badipod Semitones Seveas.
[21:06] <ikonia> seveas doesn't use it
[21:06] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: not true.
[21:06] <ikonia> I've not seen the others use it or I'd talk to them
[21:07] <ikonia> well - stop looking at others, and deal with your own behaviour
[21:07] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: interesting. Should I dig up my logs?
[21:07] <ikonia> that's the only thing you can effect
[21:07] <SpaceGhostC2C> It's unfair.
[21:07] <ikonia> if you really feel the need to (keep in mind I've just said it's your behaviour you should be interested in )
[21:07] <ikonia> mneptok: topyli you can deal with this, everything is always "unfair" or a "personal attack" or "something" that's not SpaceGhostC2C's fault
[21:07] <topyli> SpaceGhostC2C, people say it when it's actually funny, not to confront or annoy someone who is specifically asking you ot to
[21:08] <ikonia> I'm not shifting the ban at this time (I would have if he's just said "sure")
[21:08] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: there were a couple times originally that I noticed I messed up.
[21:08] <ikonia> everyone slips up
[21:08] <SpaceGhostC2C> topyli: I already felt like he just doesn't like me and socially expresses it.
[21:08] <SpaceGhostC2C> I can't talk to him in any way.
[21:09] <ikonia> because of how you talk to people
[21:09] <SpaceGhostC2C> It's offtopic, people aren't serious in there.
[21:09] <ikonia> you accuse everything of being unfair/a personal attack/something else
[21:09] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: mc44 is worse. I occasionally do some stupid things.
[21:09] <ikonia> see
[21:09] <SpaceGhostC2C> no, just you.
[21:09] <ikonia> we are NOT talking about anyone else
[21:09] <ikonia> just your behaviour
[21:09] <SpaceGhostC2C> If I can't compare then it's just your almighty opinion.
[21:09] <topyli> SpaceGhostC2C, you're very quick to pick on people's behavior on -ot, call ops, and generally running the channel. yet you give freedoms to yourself, such as the freedom to act innappropriately, the freedom to annoy others, the freedom to talk back to ops. FYI: you have no such freedoms. nobody does
[21:10] <topyli> this is about you, not about ikonia. he's a very polite person on -ot and not banned either
[21:10] <SpaceGhostC2C> topyli: in -ot, we chide eachother.
[21:10] <topyli> no we dont, especially after someone asks you to stop
[21:10] <ikonia> I don't know what chide is
[21:11] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: playfully make fun of flaws.
[21:11] <ikonia> I don't chide anyone
[21:11] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: that's awesome.
[21:11] <ikonia> so please don't say "we"
[21:11] <SpaceGhostC2C> Your morals and choices aren't mine.
[21:11] <ikonia> you maybe
[21:11] <SpaceGhostC2C> Oh my god.
[21:11] <SpaceGhostC2C> I have logs.
[21:11] <SpaceGhostC2C> There is a *we*
[21:11] <SpaceGhostC2C> He's singling me out because of a personal thing.
[21:12] <ikonia> I have a note in the topic which is respect people, not make fun of their flaws
[21:12] <topyli> SpaceGhostC2C, you don't seem to be reconsidering your behavior, so this discussion is becoming increasingly difficult. please come back in a few days after you give it some thought
[21:12] <SpaceGhostC2C> He might be nice, but not to me.
[21:12] <SpaceGhostC2C> topyli: I do, I said I was wrong for saying no U
[21:12] <SpaceGhostC2C> He isn't someone I'll even talk to outside of apologising when he's asking me to stop.
[21:13] <topyli> hm?
[21:13] <SpaceGhostC2C> He is singling me out. I'm not trying to justify, saying I wasn't wrong. I'm saying he's singling me out.
[21:13] <SpaceGhostC2C> Because of personal feelings.
[21:13] <SpaceGhostC2C> whether it's a small dislike or larger.
[21:13] <ikonia> I speak to many people not just you
[21:13] <ikonia> there is nothing personal
[21:13] <SpaceGhostC2C> I bet you do.
[21:13] <ikonia> the fact that users in the channel (not me) where asking you to stop
[21:14] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: you were the only one in there.
[21:14] <ikonia> no I wasn't
[21:14] <SpaceGhostC2C> Can I pastebin some logs of seveas and I chiding?
[21:14] <SpaceGhostC2C> I have them.
[21:14] <SpaceGhostC2C> Also, mc44 and I.
[21:14] <ikonia> oh my word
[21:14] <ikonia> STOP talking about others
[21:14] <SpaceGhostC2C> NO
[21:14] <ikonia> sort your own behaviour out
[21:15] <SpaceGhostC2C> You are singling me out for a common behaviour on the channel.
[21:15] <ikonia> ok then this conversation is done
[21:15] <ikonia> no I'm not
[21:15] <SpaceGhostC2C> I essed up with NO U
[21:15] <SpaceGhostC2C> I admitted it.
[21:15] <ikonia> yes
[21:15] <ikonia> it's easy to mess up / make mistakes
[21:15] <SpaceGhostC2C> I said I made one with the NO U.
[21:15] <ikonia> but then you had an attitude about it when you joined #ubuntu-ops
[21:15] <ikonia> and stormed out with "whatever"
[21:15] <Daviey> hmm, actually.. Did  this issue start with the use of "NO U"?
[21:15] <SpaceGhostC2C> I will not talk to you besides apologising for messing up.
[21:15] <ikonia> you only came back when you found out you where banned
[21:15] <topyli> i don't think the "no u" is a big problem
[21:15] <SpaceGhostC2C> Daviey: in my opinion, yes.
[21:16] <ikonia> then the conversation is only
[21:16] <topyli> Daviey, no
[21:16] <ikonia> over
[21:16] <Daviey> ikonia: actually, it's not.
[21:16] <ikonia> it is for me if he refuses to talk to me
[21:16] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: I'll talk to you as an op.
[21:16] <SpaceGhostC2C> Saying I'm sorry.
[21:16] <SpaceGhostC2C> Not in any other capacity.
[21:16] <SpaceGhostC2C> Not socially.
[21:17] <ikonia> topyli: I'll leave this with you
[21:17] <SpaceGhostC2C> There surely cannot be anything wrong with that.
[21:17] <SpaceGhostC2C> I'm not /ignore'ing you.
[21:17] <Daviey> ikonia: Looking at the look, it's looking to me that it started with the use of "NO U".. Can anything be added to this?
[21:17] <Daviey> s/look/log
[21:17] <SpaceGhostC2C> Daviey: we've had multiple problems.
[21:17] <ikonia> Daviey: users asked SpaceGhostC2C to stop using "U", he ignored it, I asked him he responded with "NO U"
[21:18] <ikonia> Daviey: thats the bottom line of this issue
[21:18] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: I didn't mean not to add the smiley on the line, but I thought it was a bit strict for -ot.
[21:18] <SpaceGhostC2C> I admitted I was probably wrong.
[21:18] <SpaceGhostC2C> About sending NO U
[21:18] <mneptok> i would add that the fact that SpaceGhostC2C has a history of other poor behaviors, including asking to be removed because he's drunk and can't promise not to re-join, means the leash is somewhat shorter.
[21:18] <Daviey> SpaceGhostC2C: I'm sure you know it's not acceptable behaviour to throw back a "NO U" when asked not to do something, even in jest?
[21:18] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: I understand the mistake, and as I said I would have removed the ban straight away had you not had an attitude in #ubuntu-ops and storemd out
[21:18] <SpaceGhostC2C> mneptok: I was.
[21:18] <SpaceGhostC2C> Daviey: I admitted that.
[21:19] <SpaceGhostC2C> mneptok: I actually said some dumb things that night too.
[21:19] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: so? that does not make it the reposnibility of ops to adjust channel modes because you have no self-control.
[21:19] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: everyone makes mistakes,
[21:19] <SpaceGhostC2C> mneptok: when I'm drunk.
[21:19] <ikonia> as I've said,
[21:19] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: I know.
[21:19] <SpaceGhostC2C> I agree.
[21:19] <SpaceGhostC2C> I admitted the NO U mistake.
[21:19] <SpaceGhostC2C> I apologise.
[21:20] <ikonia> no-one holds them against you, however how you deal with the mistakes post mistake is a big part of the problem
[21:20] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: I didn't see any positive end for either party. I wanted to just sit and chill in -ot and talk with Ubertaco and funkyHat in pm's about my VPS.
[21:21] <ikonia> you don't need to be in a channel to talk in a pm
[21:21] <SpaceGhostC2C> The fun had been ruined. I know I can't spout off in -ot.
[21:21] <SpaceGhostC2C> I know. But it was the reason I came back. I wanted to sit in it and read silly stuff links. I know I can't talk about -ops in -ot because I can't even say silly ops.
[21:21]  * Daviey fails to see why this is being drawn out.  SpaceGhostC2C has agreed he was in the wrong not to listen to the advice and throwing a silly response.  What will an extended ban achieve?
[21:22] <SpaceGhostC2C> Daviey: because I make some bad choices.
[21:22] <ikonia> Daviey: because it's a persistant attitude and talking doesn't hold water
[21:22] <SpaceGhostC2C> Daviey: fairly often. I've been cutting back on factoids and working on things.
[21:22] <mneptok> Daviey: it would be my hope that it would lead to a greater amount of self-control in the future. because there hasn't been much in the past few months.
[21:22] <Daviey> ikonia: Do you think a bit of "time out" will solve this, or should it be a perm ban?
[21:23] <ikonia> Daviey: god no, little time out
[21:23] <SpaceGhostC2C> mneptok: I've made more conscious choices not to do things, like bot usage and other things like words.
[21:23] <SpaceGhostC2C> Can we not call it time out, I already feel babysat. Maybe chill time?
[21:23] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: come back tommorow and we'll look and resolve removing the ban for you
[21:23] <SpaceGhostC2C> It's sorta degrading, and as we all know SpaceGhostC2C can handle degrading himself well.
[21:23] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: and i would hazard a guess that the consequences of your actions have a played a large role in your decision to self-modulate.
[21:24] <SpaceGhostC2C> mneptok: they have. I'm not a quick study sometimes.
[21:24] <SpaceGhostC2C> I did cut back on the bot abuse. I try not to call ops right away. I wait until some friends in the channel say I should.
[21:25] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: let me show you some interesting stats
[21:25] <mneptok> [mneptok@aten] mneptok :: grep SpaceGhost irclogs/2010/Freenode/\#ubuntu-ops.* | wc -l
[21:25] <SpaceGhostC2C> I now know not to talk to some people in a social way or jesting, but to respect them as people and ops.
[21:25] <mneptok> 490
[21:25] <mneptok> [mneptok@aten] mneptok :: grep topyli irclogs/2010/Freenode/\#ubuntu-ops.* | wc -l
[21:25] <mneptok> 527
[21:26] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: you have been almost as active in this channel this year as topyli, an active member of the ops team
[21:26] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: i find that somewhat illustrative.
[21:26] <SpaceGhostC2C> mneptok: I use a lot of lines to explain things.
[21:26] <SpaceGhostC2C> topyli: is very concise and good with his words.
[21:26] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: easy solution, just take the rest of the day out and think about it, no-ones against you, no-one is making personal attacks, nothing like that, and we'll resolve it tommorow
[21:26] <SpaceGhostC2C> notice now, I'm about 3 lines to anyone elses one.
[21:27] <ikonia> rather than go around on offtopic points, lets take some time away to think about things and resolve this tommorow
[21:27] <SpaceGhostC2C> I talk a lot, surely I shouldn't have to work on that as long as it's not rulebreaking or asked to stop.
[21:27] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: I'm just trying to show that I have been making active progress.
[21:27] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: I do backslide often.
[21:27] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: don't worry about talking too much, lets park it here, and meet again tommorow
[21:27] <SpaceGhostC2C> yeah. sounds good then. Again, sorry ikonia.
[21:28] <ikonia> not a problem
[21:28] <SpaceGhostC2C> I'm chill to go then?
[21:28] <ikonia> sure
[21:28] <SpaceGhostC2C> Later. Thanks topyli mneptok Daviey and mostly ikonia .
[21:28] <ikonia> laters
[21:28]  * mneptok waves
[21:29] <ikonia> Daviey: fyi: check his notes in BT, he's a constant issue latley, and has a smart mouth, he only steps back when he's actually banned from the channel as he normally crys wolf in here, and storms out, and rejoins the other channel like nothings happened
[21:29] <ikonia> very fair point that it was going on too long and around in a circle though
[21:31] <Daviey> ikonia: I agree he seems to be causing issues, but I do suspect that is because of the reaction he gets.
[21:31] <topyli> for the record, i like the promises of stopping bot abuse and minding others' business less. the only thing still missing is agreeing to ditch his own set of rules in favor of common ones. than i'm happy
[21:31] <ikonia> topyli: agreed
[21:32] <ikonia> Daviey: care to expand a little, reaction as in attention ?
[21:33] <Daviey> ikonia: yes, but more i think it's the issue of enforcement vs. catalyse.
[21:33] <ikonia> Daviey: normally I would agree, but catalyse has failed, hence why I banned
[21:33] <Daviey> I truly feel that enforcement style breeds trollish behaviour.
[21:34] <ikonia> he's been a persistant issue and only stops when he's actually denied access
[21:34] <ikonia> a few people have tried to talk to him, but it goes nowhere
[21:34] <ikonia> it has been tried recently with him, hopefully it can go back to discussion, but as soon as you try to work with him, he makes wild accusations of personal attacks, and other things to try to deflect attention
[21:34] <topyli> Daviey, that's generally true. i've spent time with him in queries though, and it hasn't been very successful
[21:37] <Daviey> ikonia: hmm, perhaps next encounter it would be better if someone else dealt with the issue; he seemed to have issues with you (which i'm not agreeing if they are true).  If someone else attempted to resolve his ban, he wouldn't be able to claim that again.
[21:38] <Daviey> Does that make sense?
[21:38] <ikonia> I have zero problem with that,
[21:39] <ikonia> he has an issue with "anyone" though, as he doesn't like being told what to do in any way, shape or form
[21:39] <ikonia> the claims he makes are attempts to deflect his behaviour, as he tried to do earlier
[21:39] <topyli> Daviey, ikonia, rather easy in practice as well, pretty much all -ot ops know him
[21:40] <ikonia> to be honest, I'd rather he just stopped crying wolf about people attacking him and actually started working with people to resolve issue or just general discussion
[21:41] <ikonia> swapping out ops for this level seems like hiding the problem, but at the same time if it helps him get a solid long term behaviour fix, I have no issue
[21:41] <topyli> not sure why, but somehow the good old usenet days are coming to my mind :)
[21:42] <topyli> some people were not trolls, nor outright kooks, but just professionally annoying :)
[21:43] <Daviey> ikonia: It may not help, but it certainly reduces his ability to deflect the issue.
[21:43] <ikonia> I concur
[21:56] <ikonia> ahhhh excellent, he's in #freenode now and feel it's a good place for him to help
[21:56] <ikonia> that may distract all his attention from #ubuntu-channels
[21:57] <ikonia> split it else where
[22:13] <MichealH> I have been on the offtopic channel and someone stole my nick to take the mick out my name I ghosted them but i cant register my name
[22:13] <MichealH> They registered it for me
[22:15] <ikonia> MichealH: you'll have to talk to free....
[22:15] <ikonia> oh
[22:18] <topyli> not sure if there's much you can do
[22:19] <ikonia> nope
[22:19] <ikonia> trying to make sense of the scollback in -ot
[22:19] <ikonia> seems he's accusing seveas of steling his nick
[22:24] <topyli> somehow i wouldn't be surprised
[22:24] <ikonia> can't quite make it all out
[22:25] <topyli> dunno, it was registered in january already