[00:10] jpds it became stuck at 2% and the remaing err unable to connect to mirror statement appears === robbiew is now known as robbiew_ [00:59] dell poweredge 6850.. needs 220v.. so.. can a regular 18awgx3c 300v power cable be used if I chop the plug off and replace with nema 6-20p? or is there something specific supposed to be used? [01:14] zul, lp:~andreserl/ubuntu/lucid/vsftpd/vsftpd-apport-531978 Please when possible take a look at it, give me some feedback to link the patch to the bug report. And we need to request FFe I presume? [01:16] New bug: #534773 in postfix (main) "postfix configuration failures should not let 'stop' fail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/534773 === KB1JWQ is now known as PFY === PFY is now known as KB1JWQ [02:06] When I restart apache2 i get an error that apache could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name using 127.0.1.1 Where can I enter the domain name I don't see it in apache2.conf anymore? [02:22] I added ServerName and ServerAlias settings in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default but its still not determining domain name??? [02:53] This is annoying I know there is a simple answer for this [02:53] I'm not good with this hostname domain name stuff. [02:53] Especially since there are virtualhosts now === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [03:23] histo: Check the contents of /etc/hosts carefully. [04:03] $ virsh -c qemu:///system start CentOS [04:03] error: Failed to start domain CentOS [04:03] error: internal error Unable to find cgroup for CentOS [04:03] This was working yesterday. KVM starts fine standalone, too. Any ideas? [04:16] hi sorry i got my server working on HP 360G6 and i really slow to read data. I am wondering if i need to re-install the HP driver for ubuntu, but i dont know if i do that i lost the informations on the server? [04:26] anybody know why the server could be slow to read data and if is sure re-install drivers for HP smart array -ubuntu. I mean i won't lost data with it? [04:26] Roxyhart08, what kind of raid card you got in it? [04:26] onboard? [04:26] smart array [04:27] !fakeraid [04:27] Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto [04:27] basically you need to not use the onboard raid and just let it default the drives each to raid 0 and use linux software raid [04:27] so, you mean not use HP drivers? [04:28] im saying if you dont have a RAID card inside of the machine you shouldnt be using the onboard raid [04:28] yes, i have raid card [04:29] Noob question: why would software raid be faster than hardware raid? That's a bit counter-intuitive. [04:30] its basically the same if it is onboard raid [04:30] Roxyhart08, please tell me the exact model number [04:33] ok well nevermind i guess Roxyhart08 im headed to bed [04:33] !sleep [04:36] sorry, i was in a short meeting..give a second to find it [04:40] hi bogeyd6 im sorry for waiting this is the card: HP Smart Array P410i/256MB [04:47] jayvee, real hardware RAID is actually faster, but fakeRAID is slower and less featureful than software RAID [04:47] I just set up my DHCPD file, how do i check the service please.. google wont help me.. Thanks [04:47] Roxyhart08 has a real RAID controller, but many motherboards these days have onboard fakeRAID controllers such as nvraid, AMD SB750, or silicon image controllers [04:48] right [04:49] never heard of fakeraid before [04:49] service dhcpd start>> doesn't work [04:49] sekyourbox, what's the error? [04:49] The program 'service' can be found in the following packages: [04:49] sekyourbox, sudo /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart [04:50] also, I think you have to enable it in /etc/default [04:50] otherwise it won't run [04:50] sudo: /etc/init.d/dhcpd: command not found [04:50] I think it's just 'dhcp' [04:51] on mine it's /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server [04:51] im in /etc/dhcp3 by the way [04:51] actually, might be sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart [04:51] but it might be different [04:51] my memory fails me [04:51] sekyourbox, you will need to edit /etc/default/dhcp3-server also [04:51] thanks... [04:53] I think you can also do "sudo start dhcp3-server" with the new upstart stuff [04:53] not sure on that though, I do it the old way [04:54] I should memorize the structure, but i usually dont use ubuntu [04:54] only works if the service is upstart-enabled [04:54] and have no idea what that is [04:55] well, ubuntu used to use the standard sysvinit style, with all the scripts in /etc/init.d [04:55] sekyourbox, don't worry. I suspect most of us get equally confused when we move onto red hat boxes. :) [04:55] but now ubuntu uses upstart, and is in a transitional period [04:55] where a lot of services have been changed over [04:55] but not all of them [04:55] which is why it's a good idea to use 'service', because it supports both [04:55] if you don't have the 'service' command installed, you are using a version prior to the upstart init script transition [04:57] qman_ i install the hp drivers when i got ubuntu 9.04, but then i udpgrade ubuntu to 9.10, so i dont know if i need to udgrade also the HP drivers, and what happen if i fo that...could i lost the data and everything on the server? [04:58] Roxyhart08, just updating the drivers should not affect the data on the array, as long as you don't go fdisking it [04:58] though I suggest backing up important files anyway [04:59] 8.04 i think, lol [04:59] yes, i will do, maybe it could solve the "slow" problem? [04:59] Roxyhart08, possibly, be sure to check out the health status of the drives [04:59] a failing disk could cause that issue too [05:00] ok, sorry which tool could i use to chek it? [05:00] not sure, probably one of the HP tools [05:01] the standard tool to check SMART data is smartctl, but I don't know if it will work with your RAID controller [05:01] i think should be [05:01] ill try, thanks [05:06] Thanks Fellas, have a good one [05:16] sekyourbox didn't actually say whether it fixed it or not === sourcode_ is now known as sourcode [07:03] what can cause a server (I was the only user) to suddenly Broadcast message from root@Server /(unknown) at 0:54 .../The system is going down for power off NOW! [07:03] and then shut down [07:03] :( [07:23] <_ruben> demonspork: a nasty cronjob .. accidentally pressing power button .. tons of possibilities once you let your mind go free [07:28] has anyone setuped deluged + webui on server? (deluge 1.2.1) ? [08:01] good morning [08:05] good morning [08:48] howdy folks [08:48] whenever I try to start one of my KVM virtual machines in libvirt, I get this error: "Error starting domain: internal error Unable to find cgroup for " [08:48] happens for every VM, although standalone KVM works fine [08:49] I'm really stumped, and I really need to fire up one of these VMs right now. [08:50] jayvee: is "cgroup" mentioned in dmesg? [08:50] cgroup is a kernel feature like /proc, you probably need it compiled into your kernel AND to mount it somewhere [08:50] twb, yes it is [08:51] "Initializing group subsys {cpuset,cpu,ns,cpuacct,memory,freezer,net_cls}" [08:51] jayvee: does /proc/mounts say it's mounted somewhere? [08:51] no, it's not [08:51] I never had it before [08:51] so I don't get why I need it now [08:52] Maybe it's just better at reporting errors now [08:52] so where should I mount it? [08:52] Doesn't matter. [08:52] mount -t cgroup none $somewhere, I'm guessing [08:52] jayvee: maybe libvirt cares -- talk to them about it [08:53] They might tell you the error can be ignored [08:53] well it's blocking the VM from starting up [08:54] jayvee: Which version of Ubuntu are you using? [08:54] soren, ubuntu 9.10, but I debuild'ed the lucid version of libvirt [08:54] running the ubuntu10 version of lucid's libvirt [08:54] ...and how long were you expecting to go without saying that? [08:54] heh, I'd actually forgotten [08:55] Well, use libvirt from Karmic, and you'll probably be fine. [08:55] Releases are not "pick `n' mix" [08:55] They don't get feature updates for a reason [08:57] hmm, it's been working fine up to now [08:59] well the karmic version says: libvirtError: Unable to deny all devices for CentOS: No such file or directory [08:59] where CentOS is the name of the VM [08:59] Well, /something/ changed. [08:59] Other than the date. [09:00] there's a qemu.conf.dpkg-old — must have some settings left over [09:00] soren: o/ [09:00] ttx: Dude. [09:01] soren: still planning to close my papercut bug 460398 ? [09:01] Launchpad bug 460398 in server-papercuts "/etc/timezone is not set correctly" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460398 [09:01] ttx: Yes, indeed. [09:02] soren: ok, cool :) [09:02] ttx: Code's been committed upstream. Just haven't rolled a new release yet. [09:02] * ttx gets some coffee [09:06] New bug: #527860 in puppet (main) "Init script always returns 0" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527860 [09:17] soren: btw, I had a policy question for you: is it acceptable to do this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/391618/ [09:17] in postinst, changing the /etc/default/openvpn file on upgrade to match the previous default value [09:18] the idea being, if we change the default behavior, it shouldn't affect old users relying on the old default behavior [09:19] * soren looks [09:19] ttx: You oughtn't need to do that. If the checksum of the conffile matches the old checksum, it will be silently overridden by the new conffile. Otherwise you can't guarantee you aren't changing a user's deliberate default. [09:20] I haven't edited /etc/default/openvpn on my 8.04 system, so this patch would disable all my VPN configs [09:20] persia: that's the point, I don't really want that. The new conffile is identical to the previous one [09:20] jayvee: no it wouldn't [09:20] oh, actually, that's changed in the postinst [09:20] my mistake [09:21] ttx: I don't understand the motivation for the change. [09:21] ttx: Hrm? You mean the updated conffile matches some old conffile differing from that shipped in the current version of the package? [09:21] see bug 427701... but I've been asking myself the same question recently [09:21] Launchpad bug 427701 in server-papercuts "OpenVPN client always runs" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/427701 [09:22] ttx: I've read the bug. Still don't understand, I'm afraid. [09:22] ttx: Why would you not want to start openvpn on boot? [09:22] soren: Imagine you don't have a network connection at boot. [09:22] ttx: If you don't want it to run your vpn connections, don't put them there. [09:22] if you used it as a client only, maybe? [09:22] persia: /etc/default/openvpn doesn't set AUTOSTART. In that case, we assumed AUTOSTART=all in the init script [09:22] or used network-manager as a frontend [09:22] jayvee: Right. But then why would you put your config files for that in /etc/openvpn ? [09:23] soren: I thought the rationale was that the empty system instance was "blocking" something... but it's not [09:23] soren: so I tend to agree with you [09:23] ttx is implying that it ships with configs in /etc/openvpn by default [09:23] jayvee: it's not [09:23] (I don't remember there being any, but that's just me) [09:23] let me sum up :) [09:24] the bug is about how having AUTOSTART=all by default conflicting wit hsome desktop use cases [09:24] do those cases occur on a fresh system, or only when you have customised /etc/openvpn? [09:24] ttx: Oh, I see. Don't do it that way. You want to sed -i "s/#?AUTOSTART=.*/AUTOSTART=$AUTOSTART/" [09:25] When I first evaluated the bug as papercut candidate, I thought that in the absence of any config, we were starting up something that was binding to ports and prevented other openvpn startups [09:25] *but* [09:25] ttx: set AUTOSTART=all before you source /etc/default/openvpn to have a default value. [09:25] if no config is defined, we don't start anything. [09:25] no, openvpn doesn't do anything if there's nothing in /etc/openvpn [09:25] on my eee pc, at least [09:26] so... I fail to see the rationale for the bug, especially as we would differ from Debian [09:26] soren: so maybe we should just wontfix it [09:26] The bug may have been incorrectly triaged. It may be that some of the openvpn client scripts for the plugins are overanxious [09:27] Or it may be that something has overly broad Recommends: [09:27] ttx: That what I'm leaning towards. [09:27] persia: the only conflict I could come up with would be if some user script was dumping configs in /etc/openvpn and expecting them not to be run at boot. [09:27] Nevertheless, the case is interesting. [09:28] Let's pretend we wanted to do this. [09:28] * soren ponders [09:28] soren: yes, for learning [09:29] persia: assuming we would want to do this, it would actually be OK to change the conffile in postinst on upgrade to explicitly set the value to the old default value ? [09:29] I'm wary of even touching a conffile. [09:29] ttx: Hrm. No. [09:29] persia: ok, that's what I thought [09:29] guys, what software do you recommend for displaying MRTG graphs on UBuntu-server8.04? [09:29] However, if I were to do so, I wouldn't do it unconditionally. [09:29] swift: firefox? [09:30] ttx: I'm leaning towards shipping an updated conffile with the defaults that would be desired, and not changing postinst, and letting users who adjusted the conffile sort out any mess that may result. [09:30] ttx: I would probably store the curren tAUTOSTART value from preinst.. [09:30] soren, i mean... which version of MRTG? [09:30] swift: Whichever is in Ubuntu 8.04. [09:30] persia: interesting. Just shipping an new default file with AUTOSTART=none uncommented. [09:30] swift: 2.14.7-2ubuntu3, apparantly. [09:31] soren,ubuntu comes with MRTG? [09:31] swift: Ubuntu comes with /everything/. [09:31] Almost. [09:32] soren, i dont see mrtg on ubuntu [09:33] can i do "apt-get install mrtg-contrib" to get the package.. this is the one for ubuntu 8.04LTS right? [09:33] swift: `sudo apt-get install mrtg` should sort that if you happen to not have it installed. [09:33] persia... mrtg-contrib?? [09:33] swift: Why contrib? [09:34] swift: If you want the examples, -contrib works too :) [09:34] ttx: Right. Shipping the default uncommented would update anyone who wasn't doing something special to use that, which is probably >95% of users. [09:34] ttx: And it lets dpkg sort out whether we're slamming a conffile, etc. [09:35] (and gives the user options to deal with the merge (albeit not great options)) [09:36] persia: but then, people that used to rely on the old default value (AUTOSTART="all") and didn't change their /etc/default/openvpn file would end up not having anything started up at boot [09:36] (since the conffile would be replaced, right ?) [09:36] ttx: True. For extra visibility, document this in NEWS as well as the changelog. [09:37] ok [09:37] That said, what's the use case for AUTOSTART=all vs. AUTOSTART=none? [09:37] To me it feels like this issue is being solved the wrong way. [09:38] You could show a debconf notice iff there's any connections configured in /etc/openvpn [09:38] you define system-wide VPNs in /etc/openvpn, AUTOSTART controls which, if any, are started at boot. [09:38] I think that when OpenVPN is configured host-wide, it should be started by default, and if it's configured per-user (even for user="all users"), it shouldn't. [09:38] none, all, or specifically-named ones. [09:39] well, defining configs in /etc is "configuring system-wide" [09:39] So nm-openvpn (or whatever it's called) and the base openvpn client have different behaviours. [09:39] nm-openvpn provides a separate framework for VPN configs [09:39] that supports user-based and system-based definitions [09:39] Right. Like I said, I think the bug is in the desktopy openvpn config tools, not in openvpn itself. [09:39] So is this just a documentation bug? [09:40] probably I'm commenting on it right now [09:40] Or a bug in the Kubuntu networking tool? [09:45] It's, at best, unclear where the user-oriented frontends are conflicting with the openvpn "system" mechanism. Set the bug to Incomplete [09:47] Needs deeper triage. === pts is now known as pths [09:51] The problem with changing the conffile is that at some point in the future (if the conffile shipped in the package changed later on), he will be prompted about changes that he allegedly (but not actually) made to said conffile. [09:52] The only sound approach (again, if we were to make this change), I can think if is this: [09:54] Check if the user has changed this setting. If he hasn't, check if he has any connections configured in /etc/openvpn. If so, show a debconf notice about this new default behaviour, perhaps along with the one-liner you would have applied to make the change so that the user can make that change himself. If there are no connections configured anyway, nothing will really have changed, so don't bother with the notice. [09:54] Perhaps just lower the priority of the notice. [09:54] guys, how can i start serial access to another machine connected to a ubuntu server? [09:55] swift, what sort of serial access? [09:55] file transfer, ppp, remote logins... [09:55] a serial cable connected to an ubuntu machine [09:55] soren: ack [09:55] no, serial access to another machine [09:56] that still doesn't make sense — what do you want to *do* with your serial access? [09:56] i want to access another machine's console [09:56] okay, so remote login [09:56] you want to look at mgetty [09:57] mgetty on the server [09:57] minicom on the client [09:57] but, only serial access is available viattyS0 [09:57] yes, mgetty talks to ttyS0 [09:57] which is the server?... the machine i wanna access? [09:57] and on the client, minicom also talks to ttyS0 [09:57] swift, yes [09:58] so,actually, jayvee, i accidentally closed a serial console window opened on my ubuntu box [09:58] i want to re-open it [09:58] i just dont know how to do that [09:58] swift, I use mgetty, but actually looks like you can use plain getty [09:58] swift, what were you using to get the serial console window? [09:58] minicom? [09:58] yes [09:59] well just type minicom again [09:59] and hit enter a few times [10:00] surely if you opened it once you know how to do it a second time [10:03] okay, soren, my libvirt magically started working again [10:03] restarted it, then got an apparmor error [10:03] jayvee.. som1 else had kept it for me [10:03] :D [10:03] now i know [10:03] different to what I was getting before [10:04] thanks!! [10:04] disabled the apparmor [10:04] then it worked [10:04] swift: ah, so they must already have set up the serial server for you [10:05] yep [10:31] New bug: #534913 in libcommons-fileupload-java (main) "libservlet2.{3,4}-java migration" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/534913 [10:41] where is the ip configured for the virbr0 that i have on my host for virtual machines? [10:42] larsemil, click on the connection in virt-manager, and go Edit > Host Details [10:42] it's under the Networks tab [10:42] the Virtual Networks tab, sorry [10:42] jayvee: and from console? i dont have X on my server [10:43] do you have virt-manager on your local machine? [10:43] you can connect to your libvirt server with that [10:43] you should be able to do it from virsh though [10:43] will install it [10:44] ah, I think I've found what you're looking for [10:44] type "man virsh" [10:44] then type /net-edit [10:44] that has exactly the commands you'll need to do the job from the command line [10:45] $ virsh -c qemu:///system net-edit default [10:47] well now i have virt-manager. :) [10:47] yeah, should make it much more fun [10:48] allthough i cant edit anything in the edit host details. cant change anything. logged in with root [10:50] you may need to "stop" the network first [10:50] ok. [10:50] and if that doesn't work, there's always the virsh command ^ [10:51] :) [10:51] we try virsh [10:55] jayvee: did not seem to change after using virsh either [10:56] you'll want to restart libvirt [10:56] service libvirt-bin restart [10:56] jayvee: after restart its again the "old" ip [10:57] stop libvirt, run "ifconfig virbr0 0.0.0.0" and start libvirt again [10:57] even after saving and again typing the virsh command its the same [10:58] jayvee: that changed the ip for the bridge but not the settings. [10:59] I'm guessing you have to disconnect and reconnect virt-manager [10:59] right-click on the host in virt-manager, and press disconnect [10:59] well. did that. [11:00] running virsh -c qemu:///system net-edit defaults, changing the values and then running the command again shows me the old config [11:00] not really sure [11:01] I'm guessing it's working anyway [11:01] will look into hacking the file manually [11:01] /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/default.xml, I think [11:02] there the settings are correct... [11:02] What's a good lightweight httpd for running a mirror? [11:02] busybox httpd [11:02] lighttpd [11:03] youtube used to use lighttpd [11:03] no. the russian one.. [11:03] twb: I'm not that paranoid for this server, and don't have VM support on this server. [11:03] larsemil, nginx? [11:03] nginx [11:03] Unfortunately, there aren't any httpds that make security their primary concern, so I gave up. [11:03] Even OpenBSD run a (heavily patched) apache. [11:04] persia: well, busybox is usually installed on all Debian and Ubuntu hosts [11:04] persia: so it's "lightweight" because the extra disk footprint, at least, is zero. [11:05] twb: busybox isn't installed on either my laptop or my server (although bits of it may exist in my initramfs, I haven't checked [11:05] I used thttpd happily for a while until I looked at its (lack of) security scrutiny. I haven't benchmarked it against lighttpd for serving static content, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's still up there. [11:05] persia: oh, right, I think ubuntu only install a cutdown "busybox-initramfs" package by default now. [11:06] twb: Ah, yes. I have that installed everywhere, but it doesn't help in this case :) [11:07] larsemil: so, why nginx over lighttpd? [11:07] jayvee: this makes no sense. seems to me i am not able to change even though the settings are correct in the /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/default.xml [11:08] * persia is serving to ~10 hosts, static content only [11:08] persia: i just heard alot about it. good things. i never used lighttpd [11:08] pretty sure that the settings are correct — just something needs restarting [11:08] persia: is it just raw speed / cpu/memory overhead you care about? [11:09] twb: No. I just didn't think I needed apache to handle a mirror for buildbots. [11:09] twb: apache would serve my needs just fine. [11:10] Then any of the above will do. [11:10] Yeah :) [11:10] I liked busybox httpd and thttpd because you can run them as non-root and just supply configuration on the command-line. [11:10] * persia chooses lighttpd because it says "easy to configure" in the description [11:10] e.g. thttpd -u $USER -d $PWD -p 8080 [11:10] * soren has used lighttpd quite happily in the past [11:12] lighttpd is quite popular, and yes, it is quite easy to configure [11:18] jayvee: bah! Anything that needs a whole config *file* isn't easy. [11:19] * twb hugs dnsmasq, for example. [11:20] jayvee: well i have restarted the whole machine... [11:30] jayvee: no luck today. will look into it another day but today, no luck changing it. i want my virtual machines on the same net as my physical ones [11:33] larsemil: that's called "bridging" === pts is now known as pths [12:40] larsemil, you'll need to create a bridge that contains both your eth0 interface and your vms [12:41] you could possibly add your eth0 to your virbr0, but then you'd better be careful to not run a dhcp server on the virbr0 [12:41] I'm not sure how to disable libvirt's dhcp server. === beawesomeinstead is now known as beantisocialinst === beantisocialinst is now known as beawesomeinstead [12:47] okay [12:47] how the crap to I stop libvirt from messing with my iptables? [12:48] I'd like a "just the bridge, thankyou" option [13:00] zul: yo [13:00] ttx: yippe [13:00] ttx: how goes it/ [13:00] zul: I will be away tomorrow morning, so I guess I won't start the samba bugday early :) [13:01] ttx: thats ok theres plenty for everyone [13:11] New bug: #535029 in openssh (main) "[LUCID] OpenSSH 5.4p1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/535029 [13:16] Hi guys, help with debmirror, see here: http://pastebin.com/xH2qi7Sz this started happening after a power failure but it seems unrelated [13:33] hi everyone, i'm running ubuntu server under a rh5 xen host, and keep getting these messages in the syslog http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/TkMT3dXH has anyone run into this before? [13:35] hi [13:35] guys [13:35] i have this: "LB_test of substitution;054 3220 2010" and i need this: "LB_test of substitution;05432202010" on vim [13:35] dam hard [13:35] inveratulo, this is related, maybe? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480317 [13:35] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 480317 in xen "guest reports repeatedly ATA error" [Medium,Release_pending] [13:37] jayvee: yea that's what i was thinking... the only effect it seems to have is raising the cpu load [13:38] Good Morning all. Quick question re: Ubuntu Server 9.04, "apt-get upgrade" shows several packages being held back including kernel. I'm assuming apt-get has a configuration file somewhere where its holding these files back. Any idea where?? [13:39] huntsville: No, that's not how it works. [13:40] Usually, they're being held back because they have new dependencies. [13:40] huntsville: Try this: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [13:40] huntsville: ..and see if that changes things. [13:40] soren, ah.. [13:41] soren, see I don't want to upgrade the dist [13:41] from 9.04 to 9.10 [13:41] Nono. [13:41] soren, I'm trying to stay on the LTS [13:41] That's not what it does. [13:41] 9.04 is not an LTS. [13:41] ..but regardless, dist-upgrade does not upgrade you to a new Ubuntu version. [13:41] Don't worry :) [13:42] dist-upgrade just means "hey, I'm okay if you install some new packages" [13:42] Pretty much. [13:42] soren, ? I thought all .04 were LTS :) Been far too long in the RHEL server space [13:42] as opposed to "upgrade" which is an alias for "safe-upgrade", which means "please only upgrade packages, don't install any new ones" [13:42] huntsville: No. 8.04 was an LTS and 10.04 will be an LTS. [13:42] soren, ah. [13:42] jayvee, oh sweet [13:42] every 2 years is the trend [13:43] jayvee: apt-get has no "safe-upgrade" [13:43] aptitude does. [13:43] or is that aptitude I'm thinking of [13:43] heh [13:43] :-/ hmm, wondering if I should drop back to 8.04 LTS then. [13:43] soren, jayvee, I'm trying to create an ubuntu server build standard for my org [13:44] huntsville: Then 9.04 is not a good bet. [13:44] (dist-upgrade works) [13:44] huntsville: 10.04 is only a month and a half away, fwiw. [13:44] if you have a month or two, it may be wise to wait til lucid [13:44] hmm, I need to get a vTiger CRM up in 3 weeks. [13:45] 8.04 then, definitely [13:45] it's supported until 2012, I think [13:45] or 2013, can't remember [13:45] 5 years from 8.04, anyway [13:45] April 2013 [13:46] there is probably better package support for 8.04 too ;) [13:46] jayvee: 8.04 == 2008, [13:46] April. [13:46] I know [13:46] Ok. [13:46] I just can't add 5 to 8 in my head [13:46] Math is hard. [13:46] can never remember whether it's 12 or 13 [13:46] rofl [13:46] seriously [13:46] ;) [13:50] Well thanks guys, #ubuntu was a little too crazy to answer [13:51]