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faronoh crap ! I just poured sweetener into my freakin ashtray !00:01
faronccan you believe that ?00:01
charlie-tcaDoesn't that change the color?00:03
charlie-tcaYou listen to music and watch tv. You need the plugins/extensions00:03
faronsweetenr in the ashtray ?00:03
faronchange the colr ?...just a bit00:04
faronSo,ALL of those Charlie ?00:04
faronmplayer won't replace flash ?00:04
charlie-tcano00:05
farondarn !00:05
charlie-tcayou need all of them00:05
faronOkay.Well,darn ! I wish I could get flash to work a bi8t better.It ALMOST works perfect00:06
faronALMOST00:06
charlie-tcaYeah, I don't think I would use the sweetner in the ashtray, if it changed color... you know, the yellow snow thing?00:06
charlie-tcaMine works about 1/2 the time, and I thought that was good00:06
faronyour flash ?00:07
faronHow DO you get that thing to work right ?? I know people who have same ram I do & there's seem to work fine00:07
faronOr,so I've been told00:08
faronI have 40 G HD 256 mib ram00:08
faronHD is basically empty00:09
faronram & cpu  sometimes bad though00:09
charlie-tcaIt depends on too many things00:09
faronyeah00:09
charlie-tcaEven the exact same hardware don't always work the same with flash00:09
faronI just need 1 of those newfangled pc's huh ?00:10
charlie-tcanope00:10
faronwith like 220 GB HD & 200 MB ram huh ?00:10
charlie-tcahasf of them don't work either00:10
faronhah ! It figures00:11
charlie-tcaooooh too late for me. eyes are blurred again00:11
faronSo it's Adobe's fault huh ?00:11
charlie-tcabetter go away.00:11
charlie-tcayup00:11
faronokay Charlie......................00:11
charlie-tcaclosed source driver00:11
faronBless you my friend & thank you so very much00:11
charlie-tcaGood night00:11
charlie-tcaYou are welcome00:11
faronGood night pal00:12
residentgreyhola i installed the ndiswrapper and hopefully installed the broadcom drivers, but the system will not recognize the wifi card, any suggestions01:36
residentgreyrocking karmic btw01:36
residentgreywired connection failed now too01:37
residentgreythat sucked01:39
robertwallresidentgrey: which Broadcom chipset do you have?01:40
residentgrey431801:40
residentgreyair force apparently, more like chair force01:40
residentgreyI downloaded the zip, unpacked to folder on desktop, rand ndisgtk to load it and it said unable to find hardware, but the program found said found01:46
faronHello everybody ! Hopefully all are well...I saw somewhere that mplayer could be used to view things that shockwave flash usually run.If this is true,I would certainly appreciate any help with setting this up.Or,any info as to whether or not this can actually be done.mplayer seems to work so much better than shockwave flash & unfortunately,the internet is the only way I have right now to view my favorite tv shows...{craig ferguson'02:20
residentgreyfaron you know about broadcom wlan setup at all?02:24
residentgreyI am a noob lookin to have mah wifi02:24
faronHmmmmmm.Well,I'm sorry.I do not.02:25
faronthks for reply by the way02:25
residentgreyya another bet is #ubuntu on efnet iirc maybe this server02:27
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Balsaqgood morning to all of you here in xubuntu06:21
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Balsaqwelcome rww06:35
tavastihttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/08:36
tavastiis there some apparent reason why there is no iso images?08:37
TheSheepprobably the build failed...08:37
Sysidaily-live images exist08:43
tavastiis it possible to install systemi with live image08:52
Sysiof course08:53
tavastisystem would be installed on raid1 root, so trivial 'install with defaults' is not sufficient08:53
Sysihum, you'd might need alternate installation disc for that08:54
tavastiyes, that's waht I suppose, and daily images are missing08:56
tavastiso latest alpha is way to go08:56
WierdAARHello. I trying to install Xubuntu 32 bit on my computer and I run into a problem I don't understand. Wheater I use the Live-cd option or just try to install, The mouse icon blinks for a couple of minuts and then it goes to command line and says see http://ubuntu/help for help or use "sudo" for root. I chekced the CD for missing fails and there is none. Any ideas?09:30
WierdAARBtw I'm installing on a 64 bit version of Xubuntu09:31
psycho_oreosso you have issues installing 32bit when you've booted into 64bit?09:33
WierdAARNo.. I have installed a 64 bit version, but want to switch to 32 bit. and I boot the live cd (32 bit) and encounter the problem09:35
psycho_oreosyeah that's what I'm trying to get at, maybe I didn't say correctly.. I think it might be a video card issue but somewhat doubt it09:35
WierdAARahh ok. Any idea on how to fix it ?09:36
psycho_oreosknow what chipset you got? video card chipset?09:36
WierdAARI know what video card I have, but not sure about the chipset.. Any way to look it up ?09:37
psycho_oreoslspci -nnk in terminal.. if you're going to paste in here use pastebin09:37
WierdAARhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/391630/09:39
psycho_oreosits on the bottom of that list, humm not that new or old either09:40
psycho_oreoshave you tried other livecd/livedvd?09:40
WierdAARNo not yet.. I can try the 64 bit version of xubuntu09:41
psycho_oreosnah wouldn't be of much point09:41
WierdAARWould Kubuntu make enough of a difference?09:42
psycho_oreosI'm thinking, just for curious sake, try and make your hard drives invisible, either disable the hard disk controller in the BIOS or physically unplug the power cable to the hard disk09:42
psycho_oreosI don't think its an issue with frontends, kubuntu/xubuntu are essentially ubuntu with different frontends09:42
psycho_oreosit might be a weird and rare case that 32bit saw the installation of 64bit on the hard disk and possibly tried relying on it.. don't ask me how or why as I have no idea if you do manage to get GUI09:43
WierdAARSo... I should try and diable the harddrive controller and then install ?09:44
psycho_oreosno no, try the livecd mode first09:44
psycho_oreossee if you can get GUI with xubuntu not being able to see the hard disk with 64bit installed09:45
WierdAARI've already tried use the live cd mode and i encounter the same problem09:45
psycho_oreoswithout the hard drive detected?09:45
WierdAARWell.. Since I never reach gui and just command line I'm not sure how to check that09:46
psycho_oreoswell usually BIOS would detail you of any hard drives visible09:46
psycho_oreosif you disabled the onboard hard disk controllers whether it be SATA or IDE, the BIOS should list it as None rather than brand and model of hard disk09:47
psycho_oreosor actually if you're familiar with command line which you probably aren't.. you can use fdisk -l to show09:48
WierdAARSo.. I will try and boot and when I reach command line I will ude fdisk -l and then see what I get ?09:48
psycho_oreoshmm :/ how many hard drives you got on that computer?09:49
WierdAAR1..09:49
psycho_oreosIDE or SATA?09:49
WierdAARIDE09:49
psycho_oreosis it daisychained with CD/DVD reader/writer?09:50
Balsaqis it a vitual machine WierdAAR09:50
psycho_oreoso.O09:50
WierdAARI don know what daisychained is so I don't know and no it's not a virtual machine09:50
psycho_oreoslike on the same IDE ribbon, is the hard disk connected to the same cable as the CD/DVD reader/writer?09:51
WierdAARWell, again I'm on a laptop so it's not that easy to check, but would have to think that it is09:52
psycho_oreosin other words you've never opened the box before09:52
Balsaqhow much ram WeirdAAR?09:52
psycho_oreoslol what's with the weird questions Balsaq lol09:53
WierdAARWell only for basic cleaning, but since only my hard drive and cd/dvd needs ide, i can't see that point in putting more than one ide cable in there09:53
Balsaqsorry...but seems like it going to be something simple in the end09:53
WierdAARand i got 1 gb of ram09:53
Balsaqok09:53
psycho_oreosI'd unplug the power cable or the IDE ribbon cable off the hard disk physically then try booting into livecd mode09:54
psycho_oreosyou can't simply go into BIOS and disable your IDE controller(s) because that will make both the optical and the hard drive invisible hence unable to boot09:54
WierdAARTo what end? Just to try and understand what i'm doing?09:54
psycho_oreosthe actual cables connected to the hard disk, don't worry about ribbon cable connected to optical drive and motherboard, that's what its meant to be09:55
WierdAARNo no, I mean. Would is the point of doing this? what would you learn if it works (don't works) etc ?09:56
psycho_oreoslike I said, it could be a bizarre case of 32bit seeing 64bit install and possibly tries to use drivers/info from that and hence leaving you with console09:57
psycho_oreosits either that or you have older version of xubuntu 32bit on hand or you probably didn't realise you started with console on 64bit because the video card driver didn't work out of the box09:58
psycho_oreosthe latter case I doubt because X700 isn't that old, it should be supported by the free radeon driver09:59
psycho_oreosthough its possible with older copy of xubuntu 32bit, radeon driver may not work with that chipset09:59
WierdAARThe 32-bit version is 9.10 downloaded yesterday, and there is now time between the mouse icon flashing and comandline so I don't think i'm missing an gui09:59
psycho_oreoswell the only reason I could think of as to why it would revert to command line was simply because xorg driver issues10:00
psycho_oreosthough dmesg output may prove something useful or Xorg.0.log10:01
WierdAARSo.. I should try and boot and get a couple of logs?10:02
psycho_oreosyeah and somehow save those logs10:02
WierdAARSomehow.. hah.. Ok.. And I should try "dmesg" and "Xorg.0.log" to get the logs?10:03
psycho_oreosdmesg is a command, you'll need to redirect it to a file in order to save it10:03
WierdAARWell, .. I'll try.. Be back in a couple of minuts. unless be some stroke of magic I get gui10:04
Balsaqwould luv to see whwat would happen if he tried xubuntu 9.04...instead of the 9.1010:08
psycho_oreoswhy? you think radeon driver has changed between those versions? I kinda doubt it10:11
Balsaqi dunno..wouldnt surprise me at all...91.0 is really really weird in my opinion10:12
Balsaqjust would like to see what happens if he tried10:12
psycho_oreosmm plausible point, maybe you can suggest that to him when and if he pops back in10:13
Balsaqand i think your initial idea of it being a video/driver issue is correct10:14
psycho_oreoshate to exaggerate/boast but I have seen that issue myself fair few times to sort of bet that it would be video driver issue10:16
psycho_oreosbut it is very odd, if the radeon driver works, at least it should fall back to vesa driver which literally all video cards are capable of handling with some limitations10:17
Balsaqwell ii am prolly wrong but i have a funny feeling it will be different if he tries 9.04.10:18
psycho_oreoshard to say, anything goes is what I'd be saying right now. I haven't tried 9.10 personally, in fact I've been trying to avoid it and I mean if its not radeon/vesa driver on 9.10 that's buggy/faulty/changed to not support X700 series then anything else can be of issue10:20
Balsaqthere is just something buggy about 910...and i dont know enough about it to say...but i have sat here and watched time after time...people with odd problems, and they always say there are trying to use 910. maybe its a coincidence.10:22
Balsaqi do know 904 installed better and easier than ANY OS i have ever seen including w7 and xp pro and a bunch of linux distros10:23
psycho_oreos*shrugs* the ones I've seen are people with upgrade issues, and I always tell them the same thing.. sad to say but it's quite true for me anyway.. that is to never do upgrades, because they're never clean10:23
psycho_oreoslol I can't recall how easy it was to install 9.0410:24
Balsaqwhen i put the 904 in the sound, printer and everything worked. thats when i knew something was up with 904.10:24
Balsaqit went in my computer in like 20 minutes10:24
Balsaqill never forget because at that time...installs were a real pain for me.10:25
Balsaqnow they are easy but then i had no clue...so when it went in like that it really had an impact on me.10:26
psycho_oreosthe ones I installed xubuntu 9.04 never had any other OS or setups on it, they were more or less `newly' acquired boxens or `reconfigured' boxens10:26
psycho_oreosI can still recall a bit of annoyance with bits and pieces of 9.04 lol10:26
Balsaqill keep 904 until i am forced out of it10:26
psycho_oreoswait.. I do recall on this machine I previously did install 8.10 lol, but that was on another hard disk10:26
Balsaqwhen i try 10.04 it will be on one of my experimantal computers10:27
Sysilucid seems to become great10:27
psycho_oreosI'd be willing to test 10.0410:27
psycho_oreosyeah10:27
Balsaqbut ill bet 10.04 is going to be good10:27
psycho_oreosI'll read the release notes as usual before proceeding10:27
Balsaqbut i wont mess with my 904 comuter until iam sure...10:27
Sysiit already feels good, but a bit unstable ofc10:27
psycho_oreosnot tempted to run unstable stuff on my boxen even though my current xubuntu setup has bits and pieces of unsupported packages :)10:28
psycho_oreosonce I get the other machine running I'll probably test install or do a proper release install10:29
psycho_oreostest build install*10:29
Sysiwoah, i have 14d uptime on lucid10:29
psycho_oreoslol10:30
psycho_oreos48d uptime on a laptop, top that :D10:30
Sysithat is laptop actully10:31
Sysinetbook10:31
psycho_oreosmine still beats yours but mine is an old laptop, not running *ubuntu specifically but it is running linux10:31
Sysii still wouldn't like to brake that, i may go back to schools server10:31
psycho_oreoslol and show the uptime through there even though its not your own machine? :D10:32
Sysii'm sysadmin on school also10:33
psycho_oreosI can't even remember what was my longest uptime or on which machine I achieved it.. sad but oh well10:33
psycho_oreos:o10:33
Sysior part of that group10:33
psycho_oreoslol so its not truly your own setup :D10:33
Sysinot really, and it isn't working very well10:33
Sysihardware is getting old, we'll get new for summer10:34
psycho_oreoshow old is old? :)10:34
Sysihmm, 2 or 3 years10:35
tavastithat is regarded as 'new server'10:35
Sysibut we're running out of resources10:36
tavastiok that's good excuse10:36
Sysiand hdd's are sounding prety bad10:36
Sysiand ram may also is in bad condition, causing crashes10:37
tavastibig io-load and not enough cooling in server room?10:37
Sysiit should be cooled properly10:37
Sysibut now it runs on pretty high loads10:37
Sysitwo dualcore xenon 3.2ghz and 6gb of ram isn't enough10:39
tavastiback to cd-images, according release cycle beta1 freeze is in 2 days, might that be reason why we have no daily xubuntu alternative cd images?10:39
WierdAARpsycho_oreos, So..This is what happend.. I booted the cd, and chose install. I got to command to started to get the logs, and saw alot of errors and illegal mode, commands ect. And then suddenly (after 3-5 min) it booted into gui installer, and so I installed and now I'm running 32 bit.. I have idea how or why it worked but now it does..10:41
WierdAARThe only weird thing is that when i booted, in a command line flash I saw what looked like errors and "Please read the instruction on the homepage carefully" but it seems to all be working now10:43
psycho_oreosWierdAAR, ahh so it installed fine I presume?10:46
WierdAARpsycho_oreos, Yes, no errors so far I could see, and right now it's running fine.. No idea what happend but thanks for all the help anyway10:46
psycho_oreosWierdAAR, err ok np10:47
Sysiach, our server hardware is older than 3 years10:48
mikubuntuomg.  i can't believe i've had this laptop for 6 months or more, and i JUST noticed the little tag on the top that says 'amd athlon 64' .. i've had the 32 bit versions running all this time.  can i assume that i should have the 64 bit version running instead?15:06
Sysiif you don't have more than 4gb of ram there's no point to use 64bit15:08
mikubuntunope, 2 gb15:09
mikubuntuif i could put another 2gb what would be the effect?15:09
Sysi32bit can't use over ~4gb memory, graphics card included15:12
mikubuntuso if i could put 2gb more does that put me over for 32 bit?15:13
mikubuntunot that i think i can afford to upgrade right now anyways15:14
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v_2eHello everyone!16:13
v_2eI have a problem trying to install Xubuntu.16:17
v_2eHere is my story:16:17
v_2eI tried to boot ftom Xubuntu LiveCD on 2 different machines, but both on VIA KT133 chipset. A start menu comes onto the screen, I choose the prefered language, press "Enter" and nothing else happens. I can see only a blank screen and a blinking cursor. What a problem can it be? Thanks!16:17
syn-ackv_2e: is this the most current ISO?16:18
charlie-tcahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/51862316:18
syn-ackcharlie-tca: great minds think alike? :P16:19
syn-ackyep, they do! :P16:19
v_2esyn-ack: Yes, it is. 9.1016:21
syn-ackv_2e: According to the link charlie-tca posted, it seems to be a known issue16:22
charlie-tcayup16:22
charlie-tcav_2e: Please read the bug report16:22
syn-ackI've got some AppArmor bugs I really need to work thru with John but that's gonna have to wait till the weekend16:24
v_2echarlie-tca: Thanks. I have read that bug report. Maybe this is the same problem - I don't know. They are talking about booting from HDD, I guess. And I'm talking about trying to boot from LiveCD or to just install from LiveCD. Maybe there is no difference between these cases? Oh, by the way, when I press "Install" in that menu, and wait for about 2 minutes, a blinking mouse appears in the centre of the screen. But it vanishes after several minutes of blinkin16:40
v_2eg... :(16:40
charlie-tcafrom the live cd, is it after the menu?16:40
charlie-tcaOn the blinking mouse, hit the enter key a few times, see if it will bring up gdm16:41
charlie-tcalive cd shuts my monitor off for about 8 minutes when starting up16:41
v_2eoh, no. The monitor is on. I can see blinking cursor in the upper left corner.16:42
v_2eBy the way, after blinking mouse (in the centre) disappears, a blinking cursor appears again. So there is always something blinking on the screen. :)16:43
charlie-tcaand this is after the menu?16:45
charlie-tcahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingCasper16:45
v_2eYes, this happens after I choose something (like language, screen resolution, etc.) in the very first menu.16:45
charlie-tcawill help you to report a bug16:45
charlie-tcanope16:45
charlie-tcaIf this is trying to install, use: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity16:46
charlie-tcaCaspar is for starting the cd, ubiquity is for install issues16:46
v_2eAllright, I'll read that information now.16:48
charlie-tcaAt least it will help you with a bug report. It might be something specific to the via, which is not reported yet16:49
v_2echarlie-tca: maybe you are right, because I have successfully installed Xubuntu from this CD on a virtual machine.16:50
v_2echarlie-tca: I guess, this means, that a problem is hardware-dependent.16:51
charlie-tcaUsed to be a safe-graphics mode in F4, but I think that is gone now16:51
charlie-tcaIt does sound hardware dependent. I have most of the issues reported about nVidia, but at least I get to the desktop16:52
charlie-tcaVirtual Machines normally use vesa or vga graphics, instead of hardware, so that matters16:52
v_2echarlie-tca: I have one more question. It looks like there is no information on how to report a bug if the installer hangs. The "Installer hangs" section is almost empty.16:58
charlie-tcaDo you get the same hang if you hit "try this cd" and "install without trying" ?16:59
v_2eWell, I'm not sure about a blinking mouse in the centre of the screen (it is there when I choose "Install without trying", but I didn't want to wait for a long time in the case of "Try this CD"). Everything else looks just the same.17:01
v_2eMoreover, even if I choose to just check CD for errors, the very same happens. - a blank screen and a blinking cursor at the upper left corner.17:02
v_2eOnce I decided to wait for about half an hour and I noticed that the CD-ROM is activated from time to time, but for a very short time.17:03
charlie-tcaOkay, you got a lot of work to get the logs. You switch to a tty after it freezes, then follow steps 1 to 5 in DebuggingCasper17:06
charlie-tcastep 6 you will use "cp /var/log/syslog /tmp/stick/17:07
v_2echarlie-tca: Switch to TTY? How can I do that?17:07
charlie-tcastep 7 to 9 is valid17:07
charlie-tcaUse Ctrl + Alt + f217:07
charlie-tcaIt should give you a new terminal to work from17:08
charlie-tcaAlso try to switch to F1 or F4 and see what is on the screen already. It might tell you what went wrong17:08
v_2eI tried to use Alt+F2 to switch, but the same blank screen with a blinking cursor was everywhere. Or "Ctrl+Alt+F2" and "Alt+F2" are for different things?17:09
charlie-tcasame, but without ctrl it won't switch at that point17:10
charlie-tcaif there is a mouse (spinner), it is in gui mode, and you have to use ctrl+alt to switch17:10
v_2e:) Oh, it's a terrible misunderstanging. :) Sorry, this is my fault. I meant not a "mouse pointer", but an "image of a mouse". Sorry.17:11
v_2eYou know, such a little animal.17:12
charlie-tcayup, same thing. Needs to be ctrl+alt to try to switch17:12
* charlie-tca don't know why, just that alt+f Key don't work17:13
v_2eOk. I see. Unfortunately, I am away from both those PCs right now. Maybe, I'll try to switch to another console using "Ctrl+Alt+F..." tomorrow. Thanks.17:13
charlie-tcasure. good luck with it. It may not work either, though. Then you have to report the bug, and they will tell you get logs, and you have to explain you can't17:14
v_2echarlie-tca: I see. :) Thanks anyway, Bye!17:17
slow-motionhi17:22
blufreakgood morning17:43
blufreakdoes anyone know af an area that will help me get my system setup to run dual monitors17:44
charlie-tca!xrandr18:05
ubottuXRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X.  Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR1218:05
knomecharlie-tca, he's gone18:05
charlie-tcalooks like it18:05
charlie-tcawell, ...18:05
knomecharlie-tca, almost twenty minutes ago ;)18:05
charlie-tcawell...18:05
knomehehe18:05
jstI changed /etc/init.d/ondemand to modify CPU_THRESHOLD to "40" and this works.  Whenever I unplug my notebook, the power profile changes to "powersave," which is fine, but whenever I plug the power cable back in, the profile changes to "ondemand," but the CPU_THRESHOLD does not change back to "40."  Any ideas?18:24
deathcannonhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7221746&postcount=1518:32
charlie-tcadeathcannon: which is refering to?18:32
charlie-tcaand no, I haven't read it18:33
deathcannonjst: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7221746&postcount=1518:33
deathcannonthat's better18:33
charlie-tcathank you.18:33
jstdeathcannon, thanks.  That's kind of relevant.  I'd just like my computer to switch between "ondemand" and "powersave," but have CPU_THRESHOLD set to "40" whenever it switches back to "ondemand."18:41
jstI guess I'll just have to /etc/init.d/ondemand stop; /etc/init.d/ondemand start each time I go from battery to AC.18:41
deathcannonjst: this is old but might still be useful, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24886718:46
deathcannonjst: basically you just have to turn off the automatic setting18:48
jstHmm, ok.18:48
jstThanks for your help, deathcannon.18:48
deathcannonSure18:48
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lagrandeI'm trying to temporarily disable DPMS (using this http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/Howto_turn_off_XScreenSaver_and_DPMS_while_watching_videos), to no avail21:05
lagrandeAny ideas? MPlayer seems to handle it fine21:05
faronOkay everybody...I would like to mae sure that I am running the latest stable version of my mplayer plugin for Firefox.Can any of you tell me what the easiest way to be sure of that would be ? Help !! {pretty please}22:19
robinking623faron: the latest stable version?22:24
faronyes22:24
robinking623faron: you should see the website of mplayer22:25
faronI'm just a bit concerned  about22:25
faronlooking now22:25
faronkinda confusing for a novice comp user22:25
robinking623faron: if you wanna really all the latest version of software, you should use arch22:26
faronhmmmmmm.well...all the latest {stable} versions anyway {ha ha}22:27

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