[00:01] oh crap ! I just poured sweetener into my freakin ashtray ! [00:01] ccan you believe that ? [00:03] Doesn't that change the color? [00:03] You listen to music and watch tv. You need the plugins/extensions [00:03] sweetenr in the ashtray ? [00:04] change the colr ?...just a bit [00:04] So,ALL of those Charlie ? [00:04] mplayer won't replace flash ? [00:05] no [00:05] darn ! [00:05] you need all of them [00:06] Okay.Well,darn ! I wish I could get flash to work a bi8t better.It ALMOST works perfect [00:06] ALMOST [00:06] Yeah, I don't think I would use the sweetner in the ashtray, if it changed color... you know, the yellow snow thing? [00:06] Mine works about 1/2 the time, and I thought that was good [00:07] your flash ? [00:07] How DO you get that thing to work right ?? I know people who have same ram I do & there's seem to work fine [00:08] Or,so I've been told [00:08] I have 40 G HD 256 mib ram [00:09] HD is basically empty [00:09] ram & cpu sometimes bad though [00:09] It depends on too many things [00:09] yeah [00:09] Even the exact same hardware don't always work the same with flash [00:10] I just need 1 of those newfangled pc's huh ? [00:10] nope [00:10] with like 220 GB HD & 200 MB ram huh ? [00:10] hasf of them don't work either [00:11] hah ! It figures [00:11] ooooh too late for me. eyes are blurred again [00:11] So it's Adobe's fault huh ? [00:11] better go away. [00:11] yup [00:11] okay Charlie...................... [00:11] closed source driver [00:11] Bless you my friend & thank you so very much [00:11] Good night [00:11] You are welcome [00:12] Good night pal [01:36] hola i installed the ndiswrapper and hopefully installed the broadcom drivers, but the system will not recognize the wifi card, any suggestions [01:36] rocking karmic btw [01:37] wired connection failed now too [01:39] that sucked [01:40] residentgrey: which Broadcom chipset do you have? [01:40] 4318 [01:40] air force apparently, more like chair force [01:46] I downloaded the zip, unpacked to folder on desktop, rand ndisgtk to load it and it said unable to find hardware, but the program found said found [02:20] Hello everybody ! Hopefully all are well...I saw somewhere that mplayer could be used to view things that shockwave flash usually run.If this is true,I would certainly appreciate any help with setting this up.Or,any info as to whether or not this can actually be done.mplayer seems to work so much better than shockwave flash & unfortunately,the internet is the only way I have right now to view my favorite tv shows...{craig ferguson' [02:24] faron you know about broadcom wlan setup at all? [02:24] I am a noob lookin to have mah wifi [02:25] Hmmmmmm.Well,I'm sorry.I do not. [02:25] thks for reply by the way [02:27] ya another bet is #ubuntu on efnet iirc maybe this server === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00sw === m00sw is now known as m00se === emma_ is now known as emma [06:21] good morning to all of you here in xubuntu === robertwall is now known as rww [06:35] welcome rww [08:36] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/ [08:37] is there some apparent reason why there is no iso images? [08:37] probably the build failed... [08:43] daily-live images exist [08:52] is it possible to install systemi with live image [08:53] of course [08:53] system would be installed on raid1 root, so trivial 'install with defaults' is not sufficient [08:54] hum, you'd might need alternate installation disc for that [08:56] yes, that's waht I suppose, and daily images are missing [08:56] so latest alpha is way to go [09:30] Hello. I trying to install Xubuntu 32 bit on my computer and I run into a problem I don't understand. Wheater I use the Live-cd option or just try to install, The mouse icon blinks for a couple of minuts and then it goes to command line and says see http://ubuntu/help for help or use "sudo" for root. I chekced the CD for missing fails and there is none. Any ideas? [09:31] Btw I'm installing on a 64 bit version of Xubuntu [09:33] so you have issues installing 32bit when you've booted into 64bit? [09:35] No.. I have installed a 64 bit version, but want to switch to 32 bit. and I boot the live cd (32 bit) and encounter the problem [09:35] yeah that's what I'm trying to get at, maybe I didn't say correctly.. I think it might be a video card issue but somewhat doubt it [09:36] ahh ok. Any idea on how to fix it ? [09:36] know what chipset you got? video card chipset? [09:37] I know what video card I have, but not sure about the chipset.. Any way to look it up ? [09:37] lspci -nnk in terminal.. if you're going to paste in here use pastebin [09:39] http://paste.ubuntu.com/391630/ [09:40] its on the bottom of that list, humm not that new or old either [09:40] have you tried other livecd/livedvd? [09:41] No not yet.. I can try the 64 bit version of xubuntu [09:41] nah wouldn't be of much point [09:42] Would Kubuntu make enough of a difference? [09:42] I'm thinking, just for curious sake, try and make your hard drives invisible, either disable the hard disk controller in the BIOS or physically unplug the power cable to the hard disk [09:42] I don't think its an issue with frontends, kubuntu/xubuntu are essentially ubuntu with different frontends [09:43] it might be a weird and rare case that 32bit saw the installation of 64bit on the hard disk and possibly tried relying on it.. don't ask me how or why as I have no idea if you do manage to get GUI [09:44] So... I should try and diable the harddrive controller and then install ? [09:44] no no, try the livecd mode first [09:45] see if you can get GUI with xubuntu not being able to see the hard disk with 64bit installed [09:45] I've already tried use the live cd mode and i encounter the same problem [09:45] without the hard drive detected? [09:46] Well.. Since I never reach gui and just command line I'm not sure how to check that [09:46] well usually BIOS would detail you of any hard drives visible [09:47] if you disabled the onboard hard disk controllers whether it be SATA or IDE, the BIOS should list it as None rather than brand and model of hard disk [09:48] or actually if you're familiar with command line which you probably aren't.. you can use fdisk -l to show [09:48] So.. I will try and boot and when I reach command line I will ude fdisk -l and then see what I get ? [09:49] hmm :/ how many hard drives you got on that computer? [09:49] 1.. [09:49] IDE or SATA? [09:49] IDE [09:50] is it daisychained with CD/DVD reader/writer? [09:50] is it a vitual machine WierdAAR [09:50] o.O [09:50] I don know what daisychained is so I don't know and no it's not a virtual machine [09:51] like on the same IDE ribbon, is the hard disk connected to the same cable as the CD/DVD reader/writer? [09:52] Well, again I'm on a laptop so it's not that easy to check, but would have to think that it is [09:52] in other words you've never opened the box before [09:52] how much ram WeirdAAR? [09:53] lol what's with the weird questions Balsaq lol [09:53] Well only for basic cleaning, but since only my hard drive and cd/dvd needs ide, i can't see that point in putting more than one ide cable in there [09:53] sorry...but seems like it going to be something simple in the end [09:53] and i got 1 gb of ram [09:53] ok [09:54] I'd unplug the power cable or the IDE ribbon cable off the hard disk physically then try booting into livecd mode [09:54] you can't simply go into BIOS and disable your IDE controller(s) because that will make both the optical and the hard drive invisible hence unable to boot [09:54] To what end? Just to try and understand what i'm doing? [09:55] the actual cables connected to the hard disk, don't worry about ribbon cable connected to optical drive and motherboard, that's what its meant to be [09:56] No no, I mean. Would is the point of doing this? what would you learn if it works (don't works) etc ? [09:57] like I said, it could be a bizarre case of 32bit seeing 64bit install and possibly tries to use drivers/info from that and hence leaving you with console [09:58] its either that or you have older version of xubuntu 32bit on hand or you probably didn't realise you started with console on 64bit because the video card driver didn't work out of the box [09:59] the latter case I doubt because X700 isn't that old, it should be supported by the free radeon driver [09:59] though its possible with older copy of xubuntu 32bit, radeon driver may not work with that chipset [09:59] The 32-bit version is 9.10 downloaded yesterday, and there is now time between the mouse icon flashing and comandline so I don't think i'm missing an gui [10:00] well the only reason I could think of as to why it would revert to command line was simply because xorg driver issues [10:01] though dmesg output may prove something useful or Xorg.0.log [10:02] So.. I should try and boot and get a couple of logs? [10:02] yeah and somehow save those logs [10:03] Somehow.. hah.. Ok.. And I should try "dmesg" and "Xorg.0.log" to get the logs? [10:03] dmesg is a command, you'll need to redirect it to a file in order to save it [10:04] Well, .. I'll try.. Be back in a couple of minuts. unless be some stroke of magic I get gui [10:08] would luv to see whwat would happen if he tried xubuntu 9.04...instead of the 9.10 [10:11] why? you think radeon driver has changed between those versions? I kinda doubt it [10:12] i dunno..wouldnt surprise me at all...91.0 is really really weird in my opinion [10:12] just would like to see what happens if he tried [10:13] mm plausible point, maybe you can suggest that to him when and if he pops back in [10:14] and i think your initial idea of it being a video/driver issue is correct [10:16] hate to exaggerate/boast but I have seen that issue myself fair few times to sort of bet that it would be video driver issue [10:17] but it is very odd, if the radeon driver works, at least it should fall back to vesa driver which literally all video cards are capable of handling with some limitations [10:18] well ii am prolly wrong but i have a funny feeling it will be different if he tries 9.04. [10:20] hard to say, anything goes is what I'd be saying right now. I haven't tried 9.10 personally, in fact I've been trying to avoid it and I mean if its not radeon/vesa driver on 9.10 that's buggy/faulty/changed to not support X700 series then anything else can be of issue [10:22] there is just something buggy about 910...and i dont know enough about it to say...but i have sat here and watched time after time...people with odd problems, and they always say there are trying to use 910. maybe its a coincidence. [10:23] i do know 904 installed better and easier than ANY OS i have ever seen including w7 and xp pro and a bunch of linux distros [10:23] *shrugs* the ones I've seen are people with upgrade issues, and I always tell them the same thing.. sad to say but it's quite true for me anyway.. that is to never do upgrades, because they're never clean [10:24] lol I can't recall how easy it was to install 9.04 [10:24] when i put the 904 in the sound, printer and everything worked. thats when i knew something was up with 904. [10:24] it went in my computer in like 20 minutes [10:25] ill never forget because at that time...installs were a real pain for me. [10:26] now they are easy but then i had no clue...so when it went in like that it really had an impact on me. [10:26] the ones I installed xubuntu 9.04 never had any other OS or setups on it, they were more or less `newly' acquired boxens or `reconfigured' boxens [10:26] I can still recall a bit of annoyance with bits and pieces of 9.04 lol [10:26] ill keep 904 until i am forced out of it [10:26] wait.. I do recall on this machine I previously did install 8.10 lol, but that was on another hard disk [10:27] when i try 10.04 it will be on one of my experimantal computers [10:27] lucid seems to become great [10:27] I'd be willing to test 10.04 [10:27] yeah [10:27] but ill bet 10.04 is going to be good [10:27] I'll read the release notes as usual before proceeding [10:27] but i wont mess with my 904 comuter until iam sure... [10:27] it already feels good, but a bit unstable ofc [10:28] not tempted to run unstable stuff on my boxen even though my current xubuntu setup has bits and pieces of unsupported packages :) [10:29] once I get the other machine running I'll probably test install or do a proper release install [10:29] test build install* [10:29] woah, i have 14d uptime on lucid [10:30] lol [10:30] 48d uptime on a laptop, top that :D [10:31] that is laptop actully [10:31] netbook [10:31] mine still beats yours but mine is an old laptop, not running *ubuntu specifically but it is running linux [10:31] i still wouldn't like to brake that, i may go back to schools server [10:32] lol and show the uptime through there even though its not your own machine? :D [10:33] i'm sysadmin on school also [10:33] I can't even remember what was my longest uptime or on which machine I achieved it.. sad but oh well [10:33] :o [10:33] or part of that group [10:33] lol so its not truly your own setup :D [10:33] not really, and it isn't working very well [10:34] hardware is getting old, we'll get new for summer [10:34] how old is old? :) [10:35] hmm, 2 or 3 years [10:35] that is regarded as 'new server' [10:36] but we're running out of resources [10:36] ok that's good excuse [10:36] and hdd's are sounding prety bad [10:37] and ram may also is in bad condition, causing crashes [10:37] big io-load and not enough cooling in server room? [10:37] it should be cooled properly [10:37] but now it runs on pretty high loads [10:39] two dualcore xenon 3.2ghz and 6gb of ram isn't enough [10:39] back to cd-images, according release cycle beta1 freeze is in 2 days, might that be reason why we have no daily xubuntu alternative cd images? [10:41] psycho_oreos, So..This is what happend.. I booted the cd, and chose install. I got to command to started to get the logs, and saw alot of errors and illegal mode, commands ect. And then suddenly (after 3-5 min) it booted into gui installer, and so I installed and now I'm running 32 bit.. I have idea how or why it worked but now it does.. [10:43] The only weird thing is that when i booted, in a command line flash I saw what looked like errors and "Please read the instruction on the homepage carefully" but it seems to all be working now [10:46] WierdAAR, ahh so it installed fine I presume? [10:46] psycho_oreos, Yes, no errors so far I could see, and right now it's running fine.. No idea what happend but thanks for all the help anyway [10:47] WierdAAR, err ok np [10:48] ach, our server hardware is older than 3 years [15:06] omg. i can't believe i've had this laptop for 6 months or more, and i JUST noticed the little tag on the top that says 'amd athlon 64' .. i've had the 32 bit versions running all this time. can i assume that i should have the 64 bit version running instead? [15:08] if you don't have more than 4gb of ram there's no point to use 64bit [15:09] nope, 2 gb [15:09] if i could put another 2gb what would be the effect? [15:12] 32bit can't use over ~4gb memory, graphics card included [15:13] so if i could put 2gb more does that put me over for 32 bit? [15:14] not that i think i can afford to upgrade right now anyways === deathcan1on is now known as deathcannon [16:13] Hello everyone! [16:17] I have a problem trying to install Xubuntu. [16:17] Here is my story: [16:17] I tried to boot ftom Xubuntu LiveCD on 2 different machines, but both on VIA KT133 chipset. A start menu comes onto the screen, I choose the prefered language, press "Enter" and nothing else happens. I can see only a blank screen and a blinking cursor. What a problem can it be? Thanks! [16:18] v_2e: is this the most current ISO? [16:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/518623 [16:19] charlie-tca: great minds think alike? :P [16:19] yep, they do! :P [16:21] syn-ack: Yes, it is. 9.10 [16:22] v_2e: According to the link charlie-tca posted, it seems to be a known issue [16:22] yup [16:22] v_2e: Please read the bug report [16:24] I've got some AppArmor bugs I really need to work thru with John but that's gonna have to wait till the weekend [16:40] charlie-tca: Thanks. I have read that bug report. Maybe this is the same problem - I don't know. They are talking about booting from HDD, I guess. And I'm talking about trying to boot from LiveCD or to just install from LiveCD. Maybe there is no difference between these cases? Oh, by the way, when I press "Install" in that menu, and wait for about 2 minutes, a blinking mouse appears in the centre of the screen. But it vanishes after several minutes of blinkin [16:40] g... :( [16:40] from the live cd, is it after the menu? [16:41] On the blinking mouse, hit the enter key a few times, see if it will bring up gdm [16:41] live cd shuts my monitor off for about 8 minutes when starting up [16:42] oh, no. The monitor is on. I can see blinking cursor in the upper left corner. [16:43] By the way, after blinking mouse (in the centre) disappears, a blinking cursor appears again. So there is always something blinking on the screen. :) [16:45] and this is after the menu? [16:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingCasper [16:45] Yes, this happens after I choose something (like language, screen resolution, etc.) in the very first menu. [16:45] will help you to report a bug [16:45] nope [16:46] If this is trying to install, use: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity [16:46] Caspar is for starting the cd, ubiquity is for install issues [16:48] Allright, I'll read that information now. [16:49] At least it will help you with a bug report. It might be something specific to the via, which is not reported yet [16:50] charlie-tca: maybe you are right, because I have successfully installed Xubuntu from this CD on a virtual machine. [16:51] charlie-tca: I guess, this means, that a problem is hardware-dependent. [16:51] Used to be a safe-graphics mode in F4, but I think that is gone now [16:52] It does sound hardware dependent. I have most of the issues reported about nVidia, but at least I get to the desktop [16:52] Virtual Machines normally use vesa or vga graphics, instead of hardware, so that matters [16:58] charlie-tca: I have one more question. It looks like there is no information on how to report a bug if the installer hangs. The "Installer hangs" section is almost empty. [16:59] Do you get the same hang if you hit "try this cd" and "install without trying" ? [17:01] Well, I'm not sure about a blinking mouse in the centre of the screen (it is there when I choose "Install without trying", but I didn't want to wait for a long time in the case of "Try this CD"). Everything else looks just the same. [17:02] Moreover, even if I choose to just check CD for errors, the very same happens. - a blank screen and a blinking cursor at the upper left corner. [17:03] Once I decided to wait for about half an hour and I noticed that the CD-ROM is activated from time to time, but for a very short time. [17:06] Okay, you got a lot of work to get the logs. You switch to a tty after it freezes, then follow steps 1 to 5 in DebuggingCasper [17:07] step 6 you will use "cp /var/log/syslog /tmp/stick/ [17:07] charlie-tca: Switch to TTY? How can I do that? [17:07] step 7 to 9 is valid [17:07] Use Ctrl + Alt + f2 [17:08] It should give you a new terminal to work from [17:08] Also try to switch to F1 or F4 and see what is on the screen already. It might tell you what went wrong [17:09] I tried to use Alt+F2 to switch, but the same blank screen with a blinking cursor was everywhere. Or "Ctrl+Alt+F2" and "Alt+F2" are for different things? [17:10] same, but without ctrl it won't switch at that point [17:10] if there is a mouse (spinner), it is in gui mode, and you have to use ctrl+alt to switch [17:11] :) Oh, it's a terrible misunderstanging. :) Sorry, this is my fault. I meant not a "mouse pointer", but an "image of a mouse". Sorry. [17:12] You know, such a little animal. [17:12] yup, same thing. Needs to be ctrl+alt to try to switch [17:13] * charlie-tca don't know why, just that alt+f Key don't work [17:13] Ok. I see. Unfortunately, I am away from both those PCs right now. Maybe, I'll try to switch to another console using "Ctrl+Alt+F..." tomorrow. Thanks. [17:14] sure. good luck with it. It may not work either, though. Then you have to report the bug, and they will tell you get logs, and you have to explain you can't [17:17] charlie-tca: I see. :) Thanks anyway, Bye! [17:22] hi [17:43] good morning [17:44] does anyone know af an area that will help me get my system setup to run dual monitors [18:05] !xrandr [18:05] XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X. Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 [18:05] charlie-tca, he's gone [18:05] looks like it [18:05] well, ... [18:05] charlie-tca, almost twenty minutes ago ;) [18:05] well... [18:05] hehe [18:24] I changed /etc/init.d/ondemand to modify CPU_THRESHOLD to "40" and this works. Whenever I unplug my notebook, the power profile changes to "powersave," which is fine, but whenever I plug the power cable back in, the profile changes to "ondemand," but the CPU_THRESHOLD does not change back to "40." Any ideas? [18:32] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7221746&postcount=15 [18:32] deathcannon: which is refering to? [18:33] and no, I haven't read it [18:33] jst: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7221746&postcount=15 [18:33] that's better [18:33] thank you. [18:41] deathcannon, thanks. That's kind of relevant. I'd just like my computer to switch between "ondemand" and "powersave," but have CPU_THRESHOLD set to "40" whenever it switches back to "ondemand." [18:41] I guess I'll just have to /etc/init.d/ondemand stop; /etc/init.d/ondemand start each time I go from battery to AC. [18:46] jst: this is old but might still be useful, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=248867 [18:48] jst: basically you just have to turn off the automatic setting [18:48] Hmm, ok. [18:48] Thanks for your help, deathcannon. [18:48] Sure [19:59] n8 === nikolam__ is now known as nikolam [21:05] I'm trying to temporarily disable DPMS (using this http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/Howto_turn_off_XScreenSaver_and_DPMS_while_watching_videos), to no avail [21:05] Any ideas? MPlayer seems to handle it fine [22:19] Okay everybody...I would like to mae sure that I am running the latest stable version of my mplayer plugin for Firefox.Can any of you tell me what the easiest way to be sure of that would be ? Help !! {pretty please} [22:24] faron: the latest stable version? [22:24] yes [22:25] faron: you should see the website of mplayer [22:25] I'm just a bit concerned about [22:25] looking now [22:25] kinda confusing for a novice comp user [22:26] faron: if you wanna really all the latest version of software, you should use arch [22:27] hmmmmmm.well...all the latest {stable} versions anyway {ha ha}