[00:40] apachelogger: I just tried k-d-i for a non-archive app. It complained about not finding a -dbg package, but I clicked continue. I then got this: http://imagebin.ca/view/B5mqqvY.html [00:40] Is that supposed to happen? [01:17] shtylman: your changes arent't in a daily build yet? [01:17] (talking about ubiquity) [01:18] no, tomorrow if it builds [01:21] freinhard: ^ [01:22] yeehaw, finally a working installer :D (got a brand new asus 1005pe netbook and the 9.10 kernel somehow doesn [01:22] 't do the trick [02:51] al: I'd ask dpm any translation questions. [02:51] Mostly what we do here is complain about Launchpad translations. [03:08] rosetta **** [03:10] hehehe [03:14] thousands upon thousands of emails from thee have violated my inbox [03:17] * crimsun forwards more to vorian [03:17] AAAAAAAA [08:13] o/ [11:15] JontheEchidna: uhm [11:16] messed up return value handling it seems [11:16] + need security net in case the list of debug packages is empty [11:16] s/security/safety [11:17] agateau: isnt there a kstandardguiitem for continue? [11:17] apachelogger: maybe, I must confess I didn't check [11:17] * agateau checks [11:18] apachelogger: there is one, but no convenient method to get it, [11:18] http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/namespaceKStandardGuiItem.html#a2f092a2c5cadf1b14d2798b6974c5933 [11:18] apachelogger: so you must instantiate it with KStandardGuiItem(KStandardGuiItem::Continue) [11:19] nah, api says I can use cont :P [11:19] oh [11:19] missed it [11:19] :) [11:19] ^^ [11:19] *merging* [11:28] agateau: should you feel like it, I think kstandardguiitem could use an install too [11:29] at least every package manager implements it, kghns too I think, and probably some smaller usecases too [11:30] apachelogger: could be a good idea, but then we would need uninstall as well (and maybe update?) [11:30] me thinks that remove is more suitable than install anyway [11:31] updated would be needed though [11:31] I assume you meant *un*install [11:32] the goal of those gui items is to provide generic semantic items, [11:32] whether uninstall label should be "Uninstall" or "Remove" is another question [11:33] oh, then I suppose adding install requires uninstall too ^^ [11:33] or just have uninstall map to remove :P [11:33] shtylman: VPN stuff is in, btw [11:33] If you're alive already :) [11:36] * apachelogger should have gone to bed [11:36] JontheEchidna: now I unstand the problem ^^ [11:38] JontheEchidna: make your choice: quickndirty, just ask that question and present an error if the packagelist is empy in askInstall, not so dirty but more code: implement a new messagebox that errors out if the packagelist is empty (used within both query functions) [11:38] * apachelogger is wondering if that makes sense at all :D [11:39] dpm: what's the URL to translations for the kubuntu-debug-installer package? [11:43] Riddell, it should be https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kubuntu-debug-installer if 'kubuntu-debug-installer' is the name of the source package. It seems though, that it is not set up for translation, since it does not create a POT template on build (or it might do and it hasn't appeared yet in the imports queue) [11:44] it should make kubuntu-debug-installer.pot [11:45] Riddell, dpm: maybe it needs to be rebuilt after moving from universe to main? [11:46] apachelogger, Riddell, yeah, it needs to be rebuilt after promotion [11:46] ok, I'll do a new upload later today [11:46] oh really? [11:46] got some fixes in queue anyway [11:46] that sounds like something I should know about [11:47] Riddell, that's in the info box on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Internationalisation/Packaging#Language%20Packs [11:50] yay irish stuff in the petville furniture store :D [11:50] Nightrose: must go shopping ^^ [11:51] Oo [11:51] must work! [11:51] distractions are evil :( [11:51] that said, I should take a shower and meet some people on campus :S [11:52] Nightrose: go work then, I shall care for your pet :) [11:52] \o/ [11:52] you're the bestest [11:52] I know [11:52] * apachelogger hugs Nightrose [11:52] *hug* [12:38] revu needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kopete-message-indicator [13:00] Quintasan: ping [13:17] Riddell: re: kopete-message-indicator: RPATH, short description, symlink GPL reference, lack of disclaimer/GPL header in source files, No license header in some source files. [13:18] Riddell: I can reject it, or if you think you'll get a positive review from someone else, ignore it :) [13:21] * apachelogger does a revu too :D [13:24] Riddell: shouldnt it suggest the indicator plasmoid? [13:24] e.g. on an ubuntu system you would not want the plasmoid I suppose [13:25] persia: what source file does not contain a license header? [13:26] apachelogger: CMakeLists.txt [13:26] (I know this is usual, or I wouldn't have offered the option of not rejecting) [13:26] that does not qualify as source code [13:27] it is like you would license a 3 line shell script [13:27] simply doenst qualify for it [13:27] too trivial? [13:27] Fair. [13:27] persia: symlink GPL reference? [13:27] Riddell: debian/copyright talks about /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL rather than GPL-3 [13:28] and you have no guarantee what that symlink targets. [13:28] persia: it's guaranteed to be GPL 2 or later surely which is what I want [13:29] Riddell: Depends how people backport :) I'm picky. [13:29] apachelogger: i think that's complex enough to be copywrited, but like the rest of the source code it's obviously ment to be covered by the licence in COPYING [13:29] The only serious issue is really RPATH : the rest is mostly fluff. [13:29] * apachelogger thought that we prevent rpathing via kdelibs? [13:29] or the build tools [13:29] via some magic anyway [13:29] persia: I have taken that question to the tech board in the distant past, they referred me to debian who didn't give much response except one guy who said "that makes sense" [13:30] I can't say I have a problem with RPATHs [13:30] Riddell: RPATH or symlink license? [13:30] persia: symlink license [13:30] * persia has had issues with RPATHs actually breaking stuff in games. Depends on the RPATH. [13:31] Riddell: I guess :) [13:31] Riddell: I would look into rpath because it is caused by something lowlevelish and could easily be fixed for all kde builds [13:34] * Riddell wonders what the difference is between indicator-applet and indicator-messages [13:34] indicator-applet is a gnome-panel applet. [13:35] indicator-messages is a client that sits in that applet and monitors for messaging stuff (e.g. pidgin/evoluton) [13:35] * persia isn't sure if it works with kmail [13:39] certainly should do [13:40] /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk says "Skip RPATH if kdelibs5-dev is older than 4:4.4.0" [13:40] so presumably Debian folks have some good reason to include rpath now [13:41] " * No longer globally skip RPATH handling in cmake if kdelibs5-dev is 4:4.4.0 [13:41] or higher. kde4libs build system has been properly fixed in 4:4.4.0-1. [13:41] " [13:41] I wonder what "properly fixed" means === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [13:46] apachelogger: btw suppose i want to package ktorrent from bzr _but_ only the last beta release,what do i use? === rdieter is now known as rdieter_ === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [14:16] Riddell: cmake implementation change [14:16] Riddell: I think the rpath was caused by recursive linking of cmake or something [14:16] dpm, Riddell: new kubuntu-debu-installer uploaded [14:16] shadeslayer: I am not sure I understand [14:17] apachelogger, ok, thanks, I'll keep an eye on the imports queue and approve it when it pops up [14:18] apachelogger: um,ok,how do i put the last ktorrent beta release in my PPA with the bazar enhancements [14:18] like : 4.4Beta1+bazar [14:18] branch [14:19] yes [14:19] dch the new version [14:19] then run bzr-buildpackage -S [14:20] so download the sources from ktorrent.org and the usual procedure,till debuild -S -sa? [14:21] no [14:21] bzr-buildpackage -S already builds a source package [14:21] see manpage for further information [14:21] ok === amik is now known as amichair [14:44] shadeslayer: pong [14:49] hum I noticed rekonq needs konq-plugins for some configuration sections [14:49] and konq-plugins depends on konqueror, which means we need konqueror installed to correctly use rekonq :) [14:50] shouldn't we rename konq-plugins, not depending on konqueror, and make both konqueror and rekonq depend on the new package ? [14:50] I'd propose to rename konq-plugins to kde-web-plugins, sort of [14:51] probably too much of a change this late, anyway... I don't know [15:00] Tonio_: renaming is for upstream to do [15:00] but you could change the depends to a recommends or the like [15:06] Riddell: kk [15:15] sebas: I am indeed alive :) is it packaged? or should I pull sources? ... I will try to test it more tonight when I am not at work [15:15] shtylman: hey :) you'll need to pull sources, it's in kdereview/networkmanagement [15:15] the changes include a "virtual interface" for VPN connections [15:16] works fine here with a PPTP VPN [15:16] sebas: sounds good... I will most certainly give that a try ... any gotchas I should be looking out for? [15:16] I also tried openvpn, but couldn't get it to connect using NM [15:16] the virtual interface only shows up when you've VPN connections available on the right [15:17] and it shouldn't crash, but I might not have caught all cases as I changed an assumption that a function can now also return nullpointers [15:18] in that case, a bt would be useful of course [15:18] sebas: noted [15:20] shtylman: otherwise ... have fun :) [15:21] :) [15:32] Riddell: new installer artwork committed [15:32] I would recommend pulling the squares.png from it for the firefox installer [15:36] shtylman: groovy [15:36] shtylman: unfortunately the installer isn't too well on today's CD [15:37] colins permissions fix seems to have some side effects [15:39] Riddell: not too well :( ? [15:43] shtylman: when in install only mode it doesn't seem to do any installing, only shows the progress dialogue [15:43] there's no side tabs [15:44] there's no language page (deliberate in install only mode?) [15:44] and in the live session when started it moans about not being able to edit config files in /root and crashes [15:56] Riddell: no side tabs and no language page is my bad... It should be fixed in my commit last night [15:56] good morning kubuntu! [15:57] shtylman: ah good [15:57] Riddell: about not installing... not sure on that one... [15:57] I also had an error when starting the manual partitioner just to complete my list [15:58] I guess I'll play around with permissions stuff to see if I can get any advance on where colin got to [15:58] Riddell: was the permissions change frontend agnostic? [15:58] or does it affect only kubuntu ? [15:59] only kubuntu [16:00] thats unfortunate... [16:00] permissions reguarding what exactly? [16:00] shtylman: well ubiquity wasn't starting in the install only mode with some error about dbus from KApplication which was something to do with the setuids used [16:01] k [16:01] Quintasan: oh apachelogger sorted it out :) [16:02] "Drop real UID/GID when initialising KApplication. The real and effective IDs need to match, but raising them means we can't talk to D-Bus. Instead, use saved IDs to store our root privileges so that we can get them back (LP: #526486)." [16:02] yea...I saw that comment as well [16:02] oohh... amarok changed their splash screen [16:02] does the installer work in normal live cd mode? [16:03] shtylman: something crashes but then the installer seems to start anyway [16:03] haven't tried it to completion yet [16:03] also... the install only mode? shouldn't that be a gui greeter now? [16:03] shtylman: GUI greeter? [16:04] Riddell: maybe they haven't enabled it.. but the try kubuntu vs install kubuntu options is now part of the installer gui [16:05] shtylman: err, huh? [16:05] Riddell: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/ubiquity-greeter-2.png [16:05] weird [16:05] not sure if it has been enabled... or how to use it... but I did add the functionality for us as well [16:05] what happens if you want to try then install? [16:05] good thing we have you to keep on top of these things! [16:05] I think when you hit try it just loads the normal destkop [16:06] and then you can just install as normal [16:06] that screen only shows when running the installer with --greeter [16:06] lemme ping ev and see if it was supposed to work [16:08] Riddell: [11:07] if a key isn't pressed isolinux will boot the live CD with the maybe-ubiquity option [16:08] ubiquity-maybe then launches ubiquity with the greeter option [16:08] that's not what I'm seeing on today's image [16:08] and shows you the greeter you see in the screenshot... [16:08] :( [16:09] also ev just said this in their team meeting "16:05 < ev> mostly ubiquity UI changes after a meeting the other day with the design team" [16:09] I wonder what those UI changes are [16:09] Riddell: no idea... [16:10] Riddell: can you give FFe for qtcreator? [16:10] or do I have to go to motu for that? [16:10] apachelogger: I could consider such a request [16:10] motu don't exist now [16:10] Riddell: none of it's turned on for Kubuntu yet [16:10] all one happy family, or something [16:11] so where do I go? :P [16:11] that would explain it [16:11] do I not need ffe anymore? :P [16:11] do it yourself FFe? [16:11] apachelogger: file a bug, subscribe ubuntu-release, ping me to approve [16:11] ok [16:11] apachelogger: this is a danimo approved upload? [16:12] Riddell: no, I do need danimo approval for that? [16:12] ...would be a sync anyway... [16:12] huh? [16:12] 1.3.0 is current in archives, 1.3.1 is upstream + debian experimental [16:13] as the upstream-who-cares it's best to have danimo's opinion and follow it on which version to ship [16:13] * danimo thought he had seen 1.3.1 in the repo yesterday [16:13] apachelogger: go for it. I will test it tonight :) [16:13] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator [16:14] we are about to release 2.0.0-alpha1 anyway, so w need to put 1.3.1 in to remain one version behind in ubuntu :) [16:14] ^^ [16:14] Riddell: btw: is launchpad associated with our jira bug tracker? [16:15] Riddell: apparently we need a pre-boot-menu screen: http://lh4.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/S5eHHDoQ0xI/AAAAAAAAGgQ/HRyChBc6xcc/s1600-h/livecd1[4].png [16:15] if launchpad was of any use with automated builds I would drop ppa packages all day long :P [16:15] shtylman: mm hmm, I wonder how we get one of those [16:15] that is one part of it... [16:15] like *cough* obs *cough* [16:15] cjwatson seemed to say we just make one... and tell them what it should look like... [16:16] logo would be the first step [16:16] danimo: can't say I've heard of jira [16:16] shtylman: mm well no logo has appeared yet, current estimate is monday :( [16:16] Riddell: It's the most popular (propritary) bug tracker out there [16:16] but it's pretty neat [16:16] Riddell: sadness [16:17] I havn't come up with anything good either [16:17] in case anyone cares: kubuntu-bugs team now monitors qtcreator on launchpad [16:17] I suppose we have to wait then... [16:17] and that thingy needs to be triaged [16:17] unless we want to use the ubuntu one for now? [16:17] shtylman: ubuntu one is fine for now [16:17] k [16:17] Do we have any kubuntu bugs for tomorrow's bug hugging day? [16:18] txwikinger: is there a theme? [16:18] well ubuntu does ubiquity or something like that [16:18] * apachelogger finds it terrific how ubuntu manages to involve kde stuff in the bug hugs [16:19] danimo: does qtcreator happen to have a changelog somewhere? [16:19] apachelogger: dist/changelog-* ? :) [16:19] dist/changes-* even [16:19] ah [16:19] thx [16:19] * apachelogger hands danimo a cookie [16:20] Riddell: I will have at least one event fo global bug jam weekend organised.. if there is some kubuntu stuff you want me to put into it please feel free to give me a heads up [16:21] txwikinger: apachelogger just said that qtcreator bugs need triaged [16:21] ok.. I will have a look into that later today [16:21] they mostly need to go upstream really [16:21] + one is clearly invalid [16:21] we did not deploy qtcreator in jaunty :) [16:21] :) [16:24] Riddell: any logo possibilities to look at? [16:24] Riddell: bug 536748 [16:24] Launchpad bug 536748 in qtcreator "[FFe] qtcreator 1.3.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/536748 [16:26] agateau: thanks for the button changes btw :) [16:27] apachelogger: you're welcome :) [16:33] hm [16:34] Riddell: actually we cant sync due to transitional packages [16:34] * apachelogger hates them transitional packages -.- [16:35] ewwwwwwwww [16:35] that diff is rather pointless alright [16:37] apachelogger: approved! [16:38] Riddell: thanks [16:38] fabo: ping [16:45] hm [16:45] * apachelogger smells full-source branch [16:46] in the name of lord vader! [16:46] * apachelogger drops the pointless delta of qtcreator [16:53] agateau: yo [16:53] agateau: trying out the new libdbusmenu-qt [16:53] Riddell: bum rush the show! [16:53] first time I click on an icon the menu shows but with the top left at the mouse cursor so it's off the bottom of the screen [16:53] second time it's ok [16:54] also plasma-desktop has this is red letter on its output "void DBusMenuImporter::slotAboutToShowDBusCallFinished(QDBusPendingCallWatcher*): Call to AboutToShow() failed: "No such method 'AboutToShow' in interface 'org.ayatana.dbusmenu' at object path '/MenuBar' (signature 'i')" [16:54] Riddell: mmm... the menu position is a problem with the way the menu is filled [16:55] the AboutToShow problem is probably because you have a program running with the previous version of libdbusmenu-qt [16:55] restarting the program should make that warning go away [16:56] mmm... it may even help with the menu position [16:59] agateau: it does seem to yes [16:59] good! [16:59] what's the keyboard switching applet binary called? [17:03] kxkb [17:03] and if I don't start it with kdeinit it gets fixed too [17:03] groovy [17:04] and knetworkmanager works too with agateau's patch [17:05] Riddell: not the nicest one I ever wrote :) [17:06] it's a thing of beauty worthy of Leonardo [17:06] or at least Michaelangelo, who had nunchucks and was always my favourite hero turtle === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer [17:17] fabo: could you please ensure that qtcreator's rules uses qmake-qt4 explicitly and that it gets converted to source format 3 [17:17] in debian that is [17:17] bonus points for making it dh7 :D [17:18] sikon converted all the direct tarball changes coming from the git-maintained nature of qtcreator into patches and created one majorly pointless delta [17:18] * apachelogger should be on campus in 12 minutes [17:18] oh my [17:21] * shadeslayer teleports apachelogger === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ [17:36] that almost turned out good [17:37] surprisingly effective teleporter [17:42] Teleporting is one thing where "almost" can be very concerning. [17:47] ^^ [18:54] anyone know if the latest alt images are good to go? I want to install Lucid on my lappy and don't want to update [18:55] ryanakca & nixternal: http://notalwaysright.com/yukon-see-it-on-a-map-part-2/4609 [18:55] (ryan's canadian, right?) [18:56] maco2: wtf? [18:56] maco2: Yes. [18:56] that is hillarious [18:58] ScottK: ok good i poked the right people then [18:58] anyone running lucid wanna test spim from my ppa? [18:58] so i can upload it to lucid [18:59] maco2: Your testing should be fine. [18:59] 'cause if you broke it, I know you'll fix it later. [19:00] ScottK: i'm not running lucid though [19:00] Oh. [19:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/392709/ <-- sample assembly program | my ppa --> https://edge.launchpad.net/~maco.m/+archive/ppa || save asm text to a file, run "xspim" from same dir (or get spim from menu but then you need to type a long path...), click "load" and give it the path to the asm file. "run" "ok" it'll ask for input.. type a number and hit enter. if you put 5 it should say 5, if you put 7: 13, if you put 8:21... etc. it's fibonacci [19:08] i love how easy assembly looks code wise [19:13] one more time...anyone know if the current daily is working? I am getting ready to wipe my lappy, my main system, please hold my hand, I am scared [19:14] nixternal: I know there were Ubiquity issues with/after Alpha 3 and I don't know if they've been resolved. [19:14] For the alternate, no idea. [19:14] yeah, i don't use the desktop installer, i prefer the alternate [19:48] oh my, alt installed just fine, now running lucid on my lappy, and the default fonts are mmm mmm good [19:55] desktop CD isn't working too well today [19:55] alt is working perfectly [19:56] well that's something :) [20:00] I really love the default fonts in Lucid [20:00] no need to shrink down things to make space [20:01] though, the default clock setting is garbage.... 02:01 pm <- should just be 2:01 pm, because 02:01 is equivalent to 2am [20:02] plus everyone should use 24-hour time :) [20:03] 12 vs 24 hours is in the system locale I think [20:03] yeah, first thing I do is change that to 24 [20:04] or HH:MM [20:04] putting a 0 infront for 12 hour clock seems like a bug for upstream [20:04] pH:MM:SS ampm I think was the regex used [20:05] I love it, "The Underpants Bomber" ... man, I would be pissed if that was the nickname they gave to me === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [20:22] "#kubuntu-devel ( 9) jr made admin by jussi01" /me feels the power [20:24] Riddell: you had the power anyway, just fixing the LP thing. === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [20:42] jussi01: gimme some power! :p [20:43] nixternal: no! P [20:43] nixternal: btw, very funny blog post [20:44] why thank you :) [21:02] * daskreech signs a paper "By the Castle of GreySkull" and hands it to nixternal [21:18] I think I am going to leave the stock theme with this lucid install...it looks really good [21:29] Riddell: are you on lucid? [21:35] Is Canonical going to extend the Music store offer to Amarok? [21:35] skreech_: i thought popey's blog said there was an amarok plugin for it [21:36] Haven't been following Popey's blog [21:36] I kinda track what's going on in Kubuntu via KDE [21:36] so I have no idea about what's happening in Gnome Land [21:37] i'd guess the plugin is only in kubuntu not upsteram [21:37] Just read http://mairin.wordpress.com/ which is pretty cool [21:37] but popey was dissecting the music store code and posting it on his blog so it would go on planet ubuntu [21:37] Yeah I doubt upstream would accept it. But if it's in Kubuntu coming from Ubuntu side which is coming from Canonical side i'm likely to miss it [21:37] I still don't know what the new Ubuntu theme looks like. I've seen the wallpaper [21:38] I know that Canonical is doing a theme branding refresh for Kubuntu so that's neat [21:38] the phrase being used is "warm vanilla" for the light gtk theme [21:38] its like silver with a yellowy wash [21:39] and the buttons on the left [21:39] I heard about buttons on the left as well [21:39] but not in the same order as what people-who-use-buttons-on-left (ie mac users) are used to [21:39] and people running screaming to KDE [21:39] which is kinda silly since you can just revert them === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [21:39] shhh dont tell them that! [21:39] we's gettin' kde konverts! [21:40] I did for quite a few but apparently except for one it's latent jealousy [21:40] They just wanted some reason to try out KDE :) [21:40] maco2: yes [21:40] Riddell: can you help with my "plz test spim" request above? [21:40] Also seems to be quite a number of people are running ubuntu on the desktop and KNR on the netbooks/laptop [21:40] So [21:40] WIN! [21:41] maco2: the assembly thing? [21:41] Riddell: yes [21:59] maco2: that spim thing seems to work [21:59] maco2: Haha :P [21:59] Riddell: thanks dear [22:02] ok uploaded to lucid. and ScottK waved his magic release manager wand in case anyone gets upset. it was logged in this channel 2 nights ago [22:24] mhh, there is a problem with colibri [22:24] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/392830/ [22:25] neversfelde: we know, agateau was looking into solutions [22:25] great [22:42] Riddell: would you consider konqueror should recommend or depend on konq-plugins ? [22:42] Riddell: I'd say recommend [22:43] http://www.cs.brown.edu/people/acb/codebubbles_site.htm [22:49] oh dear, almost midnight again [22:49] Tonio_: why should it do either? [22:49] I hear it happens [22:49] and maths lecture at 8am -.- [22:49] apachelogger: quick come to Scotland, we have over an hour of day left [22:49] hehe :D [22:50] * apachelogger starts the blog machine [22:51] Riddel: Where abouts in scotland are you from? Been to aviemore once and played loads of gigs in Glasgow [22:51] like scotland, it's just bloody cold :P [22:55] Riddell: hum my bad, rekonq should depend on kdebase-bin, not konq-plugins... [22:55] Riddell: looks like my "autoremove" alias got me to the wrong package... fixing... [22:58] descendent87: Edinburgh, and it was nice and sunny earlier (still cold mind) [22:58] ah cool, yeah few times I've been there it's been sunny but still freezing. Still it beats rain all the time (I live in wales haha) [23:14] "The membership status of Ben Court (descendent87) in the team Kubuntu Users (kubuntu-users) was changed by the user himself from Deactivated to Approved." welcome along descendent87 :) [23:15] thanks, learning C++/QT at the moment aswell so hopefully soon I can help out with some development etc [23:25] * Riddell prods ScottK for not committing his kubuntu-netbook-default-settings change to bzr [23:25] prod in a kindly way of course :) [23:25] ScottK: that's the autostart issue solved with any luck, no more casper hacks, just overriding the files in k-n-d-s [23:26] also I set the search and launch page to be the default (and upstream just did the same in trunk) and I added the logout widget to the panel [23:28] is there something that may need working on this evening? [23:28] there is always something that needs working on [23:32] we need our Beta 1 release wiki page made, and I'd like the feedback part at the bottom to point to the feedback plasmoid [23:32] also kubuntu-firefox-installer needs its stylesheet brought into line with ubiquity [23:32] feedback plasmoid!! [23:33] how come I never see him pop up and ask me stuff :( [23:33] hmm, there's an idea, we could have a gear logo saying "hi, I see you're trying to install kubuntu, would you like some help?" [23:34] hahaha [23:34]