[00:02] thanks [00:02] Now I can burn the .iso via Brasero correct? [00:02] just hit "Burn image"? [00:03] Desciero: sure, did you do a checksum test? [00:03] yofel: What's a checksum test? [00:03] * Desciero is fresh off Windows XP [00:04] Desciero: on the page you should have a SHA256SUM file, please run 'sha256sum ' and check if the numbers are identical [00:04] Desciero: there's nothing more annoying than a failing live disk because the download got corrupted [00:05] on what page? [00:05] Desciero: the daily page where you downloaded the image from [00:07] oh [00:07] I just d/led it from here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/Alpha3 [00:08] yes, and that will send you to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-3/ where the checksum files are located [00:09] (scroll down a bit on the page) [00:10] ok [00:10] Desciero: and 'sha256sum ' is to be run in a terminal where isofile is is the name of the image you downloaded [00:11] yofel: and what does this do? [00:12] Desciero: create a checksum of the image file, that way you can make sure that the image you have is identical with the image on the server [00:12] so in the terminal type: [00:12] sha256sum lucid-desktop-i386.iso? [00:13] I think the livecd also has a option check bootmedia? [00:13] lucid being an alpha there's already several dozen things that could go wrong, so we want to make sure that at least the download isn't bad ;) [00:13] or something? [00:13] md5sum [00:13] Desciero: yes [00:13] I see [00:13] Ian_Corne: sure, but this way you don't have to re-burn anything [00:13] sha256sum: lucid-desktop-i386.iso: No such file or directory [00:14] Desciero: err, yes, where did you download the image to? [00:14] Downloads [00:15] Desciero: then if you're in your home dir, run 'sha256sum Downloads/lucid-desktop-i386.iso' [00:16] 8560966a3978319bbe537fd9225964f8fb73f570c19e1d2e669925f21c6417d2 Downloads/lucid-desktop-i386.iso [00:16] Desciero: ok, that's right, now you can burn it ;) [00:16] now how would I know if that was right if I didn't have help like you around? [00:17] Desciero: you find the correct number in the SHA256SUMS file on the download page ;) [00:17] Oh, and lets say I install this. When Alpha 4 comes out, can I just upgrade? [00:17] ah ic [00:18] there's no alpha 4 [00:19] Desciero: sure, there will be no a4 though, beta1 is to be released in 8 days [00:19] it's beta 1 and 2 :) [00:19] ha! [00:19] !schedule | Desciero [00:19] Desciero: A schedule of Lucid Lynx (10.04) release milestones can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule [00:20] ah ok [00:20] cool [00:20] now I am curious why upgrading to an unreleased OS would be better than installing, say, Jaunty? [00:21] Depends on what you want to do [00:24] Desciero, karmic is the latest stable release [00:26] so this time, ubuntu did it. [00:26] i'm unable to boot at all. [00:27] the old kernels won't boot either. [00:27] bjorkintosh: where does it stop? [00:27] right when the xubuntu logo lights up the screen. [00:27] i don't see any error messages. [00:30] do i need a rescue CD, or is there a way to force myself into the system to cure it of it's headaches? [00:31] bjorkintosh: you could try the rescue option in the grub menu to turn off the plymouth splash [00:32] and see if it boots then [00:32] if yes, try to edit the default boot entry and remove quiet splash there and check againn [00:33] this time it switched off the monitor. [00:39] how crazy is it to install 10.04? [00:40] it's easy. but things break. [00:40] dstanek: It depends how much you care about things breaking :-) [00:41] Probably pretty crazy to install it on real hardware without keeping an option to dual-boot karmic [00:41] Speaking of things breaking..... my laptop just fscked with zero on-screen feedback at all. just a black console with a blinking cursor :-( [00:42] maxb is it in the middle of the screen? [00:43] left edge about half way up [00:43] just the basic flashing underscore - I wouldn't expect that to be in the middle [00:44] here (I have quiet splash off) fsck is indicated by a short message that it will run, if that gets replaced by other messages you have no noficiation at all -.- [00:45] maxb, i got the same thing. [00:45] is there a solution to that? [00:46] * yofel misses the pre-upstart fsck... [00:46] * maxb pines for jaunty :-) [00:47] what was wrong with karmic? [00:47] it behaved nicely for the most part. [00:47] bjorkintosh: thats the release upstart was actually being used the first time, and where fsck stuff broke -.- [00:48] Im having trouble burning to a cd now [00:49] My subjective feel in my personal use-cases is that more things have broken than have been fixed, in karmic and beyond [00:49] trying to install lucid to a cd [00:49] with Brasero [00:49] I keep getting an error [00:49] * yofel tends to agree with maxb [00:49] yofel: is there supposed to be anything I do before I burn to cd? [00:50] Desciero: not that I know of, but I haven't used brasero in a long time [00:50] Desciero, try gnomebaker. [00:50] yofel: do I have to format new CD RWs? [00:50] or use the wodim commandline. [00:50] brasero's a bit brain damaged. [00:50] not that I know of, try what bjorkintosh suggested [00:51] ok [00:51] really frustrating [00:51] also, I have an external cd rom drive via usb [00:51] that 9.10 isnt even picking up [00:51] heh [00:51] no recognition whatsoever [00:52] Desciero: no? not even something in the 'dmesg' output? (kernel log) [00:52] where is that? [00:52] * Desciero is new to ubuntu remember? [00:52] Desciero: open a terminal, run 'dmesg' ;) [00:53] god theres just so much text [00:53] * Desciero is overwealmed [00:54] all I see is mass storage device [00:54] Desciero: usually you run dmesg, check what the last messages are, connect the drive, wait a moment, run dmesg again, check if something got added [00:57] YAY gnomebaker failed too! [00:57] does anything work!? [00:57] aaugh, for some reason, in 2.6.33, my mic volume is quite extremely low. [00:58] Desciero: WHAT error do you get? [00:58] just says failed [00:58] ill copy and paste the code [00:58] Desciero: if everything fails, you could try usb-creator if you have an at least 1GB usb flash drive [00:59] (and if your pc supports booting from that drive) [00:59] er wait, it's fine. pavucontrol is just showing it really low. [01:00] ya its just that I already have karmic on there... [01:00] Desciero, are you running lucid lynx? [01:00] :-( [01:00] this stuff is waaay complicated [01:00] and Ive been around computers for 15 years [01:00] trying to [01:00] no [01:00] I am running karmic [01:00] but my sound...just fails [01:00] hmm. alright. [01:00] is there a tool on a live CD that detects failed hard drive or part of it ? [01:01] Desciero, don't worry about the sound. you'll soon get used to the silence. [01:01] use the commandline option for wodim to burn your CD [01:01] yay...silence [01:01] :-/ [01:01] I cannot believe when I ask people about the sound issues they tell me to ignore it [01:01] how is that a solution? [01:02] it's a PITA [01:02] PITA? [01:02] you'll have to be willing to get your hands dirty. [01:02] pain in the ass. [01:02] yeah? all for what? [01:02] argh, stupid wine. [01:02] hl2dm doesn't even get to the menu, under Wine. [01:02] It just freezes after the logo video. [01:02] Desciero, otherwise, you can buy a mac :) [01:03] bjorkintosh: yeah, and get kernel panics when merely copying files from a usb SD-card reader? =þ [01:03] That's the sort of issues my mom's imac has had. [01:03] hmm. [01:03] if it's still under warranty, have the motherboard changed. [01:03] otherwise, you get precisely what you paid for with free/open source stuff. [01:03] argh, stupid Wine. [01:04] i'm willing to get my hands dirty :) [01:04] Wine is singularly unusable, in my opinion. [01:04] don't use it then. [01:04] get a seperate windows machine to do what you need. [01:04] I mean, I can understand video not working properly... but for the game to not even START? [01:04] No, I just boot Windows native. [01:04] I was just wanting to try Wine with the open-source ATI drivers... but Wine fails badly far before that. [01:04] Before I even have a chance to try video. [01:07] DanaG, wine's not the best solution when you need windows. [01:07] wine's not even an emulator! [01:07] In my opinion, Wine is just "fail". [01:07] vmware might get you a lot farther though. [01:08] DanaG, what part of win is fail? [01:09] In my opinion, Wine is just "fail". ← Do you really think so? [01:09] DanaG, think a bit about it [01:09] it is a reimpementation of the Win2 API [01:10] Win32 [01:10] DanaG, It is Widnows, OpenSource, and running inside linux [01:10] and by some reason, windows apps works on it [01:10] It is almos magic. [01:10] almost [01:10] Well, it doesn't work for me. [01:10] For example, HL2DM doesn't even start. [01:10] Just mysteriously hangs. [01:10] DanaG, of course it is not finished [01:11] DanaG, can you think about how difficult is to reimplementate all the system calls that some apps do? [01:11] DanaG, do not use it then! [01:11] Well, it USED to work fine... something in newer versions broke it. [01:11] SOme are so weird that relys on some Windows glitch to work properly. [01:12] DanaG, don't use the beta, use the stable one [01:12] less app support, but less regretions, too [01:12] wine-1.1.40 [01:12] that's the version I have. [01:14] DanaG, 1.1.x = beta [01:15] DanaG, install package "wine" or instell from winehq [01:15] Nitsuga, are you the head of the wine marketing dept.? [01:16] What version should I install? [01:16] all I see are 1.1.37 and 1.1.40. [01:16] bjsnider, no, I just admire Wine dev's job [01:17] DanaG, did you try crossover office/games? [01:17] anyone having issues with the ati drivers in LL? [01:17] DanaG, 1.0.1 [01:17] Not in repos. [01:19] DanaG, It seems that the MOTU decided to put the unstable one in the repos... [01:19] `````exit [01:19] `quit [01:19] DanaG: /quit [01:20] sorry, was trying to put that in hl2dm console. [01:21] that would be the window over there ---> [01:21] nope, that would be the window I had to ctrl-alt-escape and xkill. [01:23] so wine, which has NOTHING to do with why karmic is giving me a blank screen, has taken over this space. [01:23] thanks for the red herring, danag. [01:23] hmm, karmic, or lucid? [01:23] lucid. [01:23] speaking of lucid, my netbook gives me weird behavior: it sits on plymouth indefinitely, unless I disable splash. [01:24] that's the problem i'm getting. [01:24] except, it does nothing after that. [01:24] my desktop does that too, unless I purge plymouth from chroot [01:25] how did you get rid of plymouth? [01:25] ... from grub? [01:26] hit 'e' to go to 'edit' mode, and remove 'splash' [01:26] bjorkintosh: didn't. tried to disable splash, but sysrq+k gave me a 'plymouth killed' message so it just doesn't want to disable itself [01:26] bjorkintosh: had to boot a livedisk, chroot and purge plymouth [01:26] bah. [01:26] i bypass it, but it still misbehaves! [01:26] is there something else running in the background? [01:27] that was ~3 weeks ago, I'll test it again once the beta comes out [01:27] bjorkintosh: well, since we now use upstart, you have absolutely no chance of knowing what is run at which point during the boot, except for some depenency definitions that you can use to make wild guesses [01:28] that's great. [01:28] when I disabled quiet splash, I got a few mountall messages, then something about some modem-manager (wth is that?) and then STOP [01:29] i got the mount messages. [01:29] and then a flashing cursing to the left and middle of the screen. [01:29] the only thing it responds to is ctl-alt-de;l [01:32] no one having ati issues? [01:32] really? [01:32] I find that hard to believe with all the crap I'm dealing with. [01:32] * kingster sighs [01:33] kingster, everybody has/had ATI issues [01:33] kingster, that's because we use nVidia and Intel mostly [01:34] intel sucks as well. [01:34] i don't want to talk about it. [01:34] great. alas, on a notebook, one doesn't always get to choose [01:34] bjorkintosh: sure, but at least less than it did in jaunty [01:35] less? you mean vastly more? [01:35] requiring no less than 10 random reboots in a single day? [01:35] sometimes in a single hour? [01:35] i'm using lucid afterall, it's expected. [01:36] but it's a bit excessive since it seems to always come from the same source. [01:36] bjorkintosh: not here... (945GME) [01:36] bjorkintosh, did you try disabling plymouth [01:36] almos all the bugs in lucid are sovlved by removing plymouth... [01:36] at least as long as it involves booting or X [01:37] Nitsuga, it says 'plymouth main process killed by SEGV signal' [01:37] but it does *nothing* after that. [01:37] it just gives me a blinking cursor. [01:38] i'm assuming that taking out the splash option in grub should do the trick, right? [01:39] BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) [01:41] ok just installed Lucid...noticed graphics were off so I am updating found a lot of updates === 15SAAIT3D is now known as mister_roboto [01:42] Desciero: lucid usually gets a ton of updates (every day) [01:42] yofel: cool [01:42] yofel: hopefully this will work [01:42] Desciero: that isn't necessarily good ;) [01:42] I ended up booting from my USB [01:43] true [01:43] the USB start up creator has probably worked the best for me so far [01:43] no problems [01:45] heh, now even winecfg won't run. [01:46] DanaG, why are you using WINE? [01:46] trying to see how well it works with ATI open-source drivers. [01:47] why? [01:47] As it is right now, it fails far before the 3d capabilities are even an issue. [01:47] I have a laptop im trying to install lucid on, but I just get a black screen after I choose to install, should I try the alternative install cd? [01:47] boondoklife, karmic! [01:47] bjorkintosh: ? [01:47] bjorkintosh: no lucid! =P [01:48] no. [01:48] wait until they're done fixing it. [01:48] boondoklife: what image did you use? alpha3 or daily? [01:48] why I have it on another lappy running just fine. [01:48] alpha3 [01:49] boondoklife: try a daily image and see if it's fixed there maybe (and are the graphics cards different?) [01:49] bjorkintosh: they are not mission critical boxes, just one is ati and the other is nvidia [01:49] !daily > boondoklife [01:49] boondoklife, please see my private message [01:49] yofel: ati/nvidia [01:49] yofel: thanks [01:49] boondoklife: then it could be some plymouth/nouveau/... whatever issue [01:50] yofel: that is what I was afraid of.. thanks [01:52] Can someone help me fix some themes (ie: reinstall somehow).. they are all fucked with all these lucid updates [01:52] ubuntu is for losers [01:52] go osx [01:52] !language | mjs7231 [01:52] mjs7231: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [01:52] ubottu, Sorry. :) [01:52] mjs7231: ubottu is a bot [01:53] mjs7231: not a person [01:53] Well then sorry to yofel. :) [01:53] lol [01:53] !ot > Ian_Corne [01:53] Ian_Corne, please see my private message [01:53] mjs7231: np ;) [01:53] mjs7231: it switched the default theme. You can select human if you want to go back. [01:53] ok, so.. back to the issue..here is a screenshot of Dust (I am trying to fix it).. (2 sec) [01:53] mjs7231: there is also a post on the forums on how to get the buttons for windows back on the right. [01:55] Is there any update notification in lucid i've never see one? But I usually run an upgrade every night because its not notifying me. [01:55] http://i.imgur.com/Y7DQv.jpg [01:55] histo, Its not about the new theme.. [01:55] then what is the problem? [01:55] Take a look at that screenshot. It shows the sides of the windows all screwy, using the wrong theme or something.. [01:55] histo: I think update-manager should pop up at some point if there are updates (did you use hardy before that?) [01:56] No, this is a fresh install of Lucid from about 3 weeks ago [01:56] I have been getting updates every day [01:56] yofel: way back in the day I did [01:56] mjs7231: thats how the dust theme looks [01:57] histo: I mean, as the notification behaviour was already changed during jaunty I think [01:57] histo, Its not. I have been using dust for about a year now, the sides never had this out of place 5px rounded border. And the status bar never had a white border around window titles before. [01:58] this is how the sides are supposed to look: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/DustTheme [01:58] mjs7231, and so what? New Age theme has changed a lot since INtrepid [01:58] I used to like it, but now it is ugly. [01:58] So, maybe I am going crazy.. but this clearly looks out of place to me.. [01:59] and it only happened after some updates.. about 2 weeks ago [01:59] hm, this looks indeed different from the dust I remember in karmic [01:59] after a fresh fresh install.. it didn't look like this [02:00] Where there perhaps updates to Metacity or something that broke old themes? [02:00] mjs7231, one of the updates changed it [02:00] mjs7231, in the wiki, you can see # Dust Borderless - A version of the Dust window borders theme with a thin frame, like 0.4 or older. [02:01] I downloaded the DUst theme from the website and it too has these messed up sides.. [02:01] Maybe it's just not updated to work with an updated Metacity [02:02] mjs7231: it's as Nitsuga said, dust 0.5 just has these thick borders [02:02] yofel, I really don't think it does tho.. Im running Karmic at work and the theme looks fine to me (normal borders) [02:03] mjs7231: well, karmic has 0.4... [02:03] yofel, ahhh... lemme try downloading 0.4 then.. [02:03] from the gnome-themes-ubuntu changelog: * Update Dust{-Sand} to lp:~dusttheme-dev/dusttheme/0.5 [02:04] yofel, I guess the designer was smoking at the time. ;) [02:05] The release notes advertise "New window borders" (I missed that before) [02:08] Hey look at that.. 0.4 fixed the borders.. just some nasty-ness around the desktop background now and the panel [02:08] so.. next issue.. [02:08] Do you guys ever get a 1 or 2 pixel white border around your desktop wallpaper in Lucid? [02:09] i did, once. [02:09] You can also sorta see that in the screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/Y7DQv.jpg. Its rather distracting, and the fix I have found was to open Ubuntu Tweak and enable / disable showing desktop icons. [02:09] mjs7231, running "nautilus --quit" will remove it (someone mentioned this fix earler today) [02:09] but don't look to me for answers, since my lappy still isn't running right [02:09] that works for a little, while then it comes back sometimes [02:09] ZykoticK9, trying it now, 2 sec [02:10] ZykoticK9, that works.. thanks. [02:10] so this is a known issue.. [02:10] making sure im not alone. :) [02:25] yofel: Installed Lucid and it appears my graphics and sound are not working properly [02:28] Desciero: what graphics card do you have? (run 'lspci | grep VGA' to find out) [02:28] ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 [02:28] or M10 [02:28] can't help if it's ati, I don't have one [02:34] well [02:34] back to windows I suppose [02:34] lol [02:48] yofel: pong [02:52] argh, what is the font that is used in Ubuntu empathy theme for conversations? [03:13] Anyone tried booting Lucid in vbox? [03:13] perscitus, yes [03:14] It doesnt work for me [03:14] perscitus, are you using the OSE version from Ubuntu repo? [03:14] yeah [03:14] you need to add acpi=off i think let me check [03:14] OSE version can boot lucid, i tried it [03:15] perscitus, bug #510571 [03:15] Launchpad bug 510571 in virtualbox-ose "Lucid guest won't boot with acpi in virtualbox" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510571 [03:15] oh ACPI bug between Lucid and OSE [03:15] perscitus, i haven't had this issues with the version from Oracle [03:16] which version? [03:16] ZykoticK9, ACPI off works then [03:16] 3,1,4? [03:16] crimsun, you asking me or perscitus? [03:16] Does Metacity support alpha transparency on the rounded corners? [03:16] 3.1.4 has the fix in [03:17] what's the version shipped with karmic? [03:17] 1.2 I think [03:17] And afaik, the version in lucid also struggles with it [03:18] Oh, hang on, no, karmic is 3.0.8 Lucid presumably 3.1.2 [03:18] Why did Pidgin get dropped? [03:19] i remember booting it two days ago, i even took a screen of it, but i don't remember deactivating acpi [03:19] perscitus, isn't that late to ask? [03:20] lenios, it was bad decision, who ever made it [03:21] lenios: might be something with the arch of the host as well, the original upstream bug mentioned it not happening on 64bit host, but I don't know... [03:21] I used to be able to scroll up and down with my mouse wheel and it would move my cursor in vim, that seems to have stopped anyone know how to enable that? it was akin to hitting the up arrow and I think that behaviour was changed or something [03:22] oh, i have 64bit host [03:22] perscitus, it depends how you look at it [03:23] lenios, Drop featureful app for a featureless app. Sounds bad to me [03:24] perscitus, that decision was made in Karmic -- you can just install/use Pidgin if yo prefer it (I do) [03:25] empathy is my IM client of choice.. [03:25] Maybe I prefer to just not care.. :-P [03:26] I think Empathy was picked up because it supports video [03:32] empathy was chosen because of better audio/video support, better integration in gnome desktop, and for being more alive than pidgin [03:33] it was lacking a few features though, like file transfer in most protocols [03:44] hmmm, decided to try gwibber on lucid, this is actually a great program to check on FB [03:44] My experiance with Gwibber is very poor. Always crashes when doing very simple tasks [03:44] So far Pino is my favorite. [03:45] altho, only Facebook. [03:46] it used to crash at me with karmic too [03:54] BUG! wlan stop working on lid-close [03:54] buggy kernel [03:59] seriously, this gwibber in lucid gives me no reason to log in to facebook page anymore === elky` is now known as elky [04:12] argh, stupid gnome-power-manager... [04:12] doesn't even support xrandr BACKLIGHT, either! [04:13] hey, anyone noticed the --color=auto option when doing a grep in a terminal? [04:17] failed to XRRChangeOutputProperty for brightness 9 [04:17] ARGH [04:17] stupid gnome-power-manager! [04:18] GRRRR! [04:33] what launchpad project is the new theme under? I need to file a bug report (or see if it's already reported) [04:34] the package in the ubuntu project is 'light-themes' [04:34] thanks yofel [05:16] so apparently gwibber decided to store over 100MB of messages in the desktop couchdb.. [05:26] For the love of all that's holy, don't let the new purple-colored branding make it to release. [05:26] I appreciate the hard work that went into it, it just looks wrong [05:26] It looks not just a step backward, but like 10 steps backward. Like something from early RedHat [05:27] Is there someplace we can leave feedback or is Ubuntu totally already committed to the purple abomination? [05:28] Anyone? [05:29] Hello? [05:29] what about you, ubottu? [05:29] !lucid [05:30] Lucid Lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 29th, 2010 - Lucid is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support only in #ubuntu+1 [05:30]