| bryceh | git 4b42448a2388d40f257774fbffdccaea87bd0347 in xserver dropped it | 00:07 |
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| bryceh | xserver: remove RAC/resource handling code. | 00:07 |
| bryceh | 00:07 | |
| bryceh | This changes the ABI, but since the video ABI is at 6 already | 00:07 |
| bryceh | it should be fine. | 00:07 |
| bryceh | 00:07 | |
| bryceh | driver changes are in the pipeline after this. | 00:08 |
| bryceh | 00:08 | |
| bryceh | Signed-off-by: Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com> | 00:08 |
| bryceh | there isn't an explanation why... maybe redhat is doing it just to make your life harder asac ;-) | 00:09 |
| asac | bryceh: have a link to that commit? | 00:11 |
| asac | want to check the driver changes landed afterwards | 00:11 |
| asac | so i might figure how to port this ;) | 00:11 |
| asac | e.g. would like to see "driver changes are in the pipeline after this." | 00:11 |
| bryceh | asac, I'm just looking in the git tree on my hd, but you should be able to locate the commit via cgit.freedesktop.org | 00:13 |
| bryceh | asac, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-announce/2009-September/001008.html | 00:14 |
| asac | ok checking | 00:14 |
| asac | thanks | 00:14 |
| bryceh | some adjacent commti messages: | 00:14 |
| bryceh | dix/resource: fix use after free in resource code with DRI | 00:14 |
| bryceh | pci: add support for pci is boot vga call. | 00:14 |
| bryceh | xserver: remove RAC/resource handling code. | 00:14 |
| bryceh | sbus: fixup for rac removal | 00:14 |
| bryceh | ddx: fix xf86Config.a generation | 00:14 |
| bryceh | parser: make libxf86config_internal.la not installed. | 00:14 |
| bryceh | asac, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-devel/2009-July/001527.html | 00:16 |
| bryceh | asac, rationale appears that the pci rework stuff had broken this anyway a few releases back, and since there were no complaints about that they decided to remove the code entirely | 00:18 |
| asac | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/commit/?id=21a621c297ac71c65c239ea960c38706e718b91c | 00:21 |
| asac | one example ;) | 00:21 |
| asac | that doesnt do much ;) | 00:21 |
| asac | +#ifndef XSERVER_LIBPCIACCESS | 00:21 |
| * asac needs to find some driver that made more extensive ues of it | 00:21 | |
| asac | what version are we at? | 00:22 |
| asac | ok i think i got the idea | 00:24 |
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| asac | bryceh: is there a good template package to use to package up a driver? | 00:30 |
| asac | video | 00:30 |
| bryceh | asac, I usually start from the -intel driver. It tends to be the best maintained | 00:33 |
| bryceh | it's got a lot of extraneous stuff that might not be necessary for an arbitrary driver | 00:34 |
| bryceh | the -vesa driver is useful for comparison there, as it is more minimalist | 00:34 |
| asac | kk | 00:37 |
| asac | will check those out | 00:37 |
| asac | just want to ensure stuff gets installed in right place for now ;) | 00:37 |
| asac | and then pray :-P | 00:37 |
| * bryceh nods | 00:37 | |
| maxb | Hi. Where do I register my vote for PLEASE PLEASE PUT THE WINDOW BUTTONS BACK ? Thanks :-) | 00:44 |
| lifeless | gconf-schema ? :P | 00:45 |
| bryceh | maxb, not here | 00:45 |
| maxb | Well yes, I realise moaning about it on IRC is unproductive, but this seems about the right place to know where, if anywhere, a useful tally is being kept | 00:46 |
| rickspencer3 | maxb, this channel is for the developers who are putting together the distro | 00:49 |
| rickspencer3 | try #ayatana maybe | 00:49 |
| maxb | ok | 00:49 |
| rickspencer3 | maxb, you are welcome to hang out here, but we just trust the design team to do their job, and we do ours ;) | 00:50 |
| kenvandine | RAOF, the libu1 mono bindings are staying in universe for now | 04:15 |
| kenvandine | but he plans to finish the banshee store plugin for lucid | 04:15 |
| RAOF | kenvandine: Sweet. Given banshee itself is in universe, I wouldn't expect anything more. | 04:15 |
| kenvandine | he tested the bindings by writing a store in 10 lines of C# :) | 04:17 |
| RAOF | Hurray for good bindings and powerful languages :) | 04:19 |
| RAOF | I wonder if I should spend a week doing development on this netbook. I'd be much, much more likely to care about performance. | 04:20 |
| pitti | Good morning | 06:20 |
| pitti | didrocks: you rock! http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/20100310-max-netbook.png | 06:23 |
| pitti | didrocks: the bg cache finally works \o/ | 06:23 |
| desrt | you cats gonna make your 10s goal? | 06:28 |
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| pitti | desrt: getting there | 07:04 |
| desrt | pretty sweet | 07:04 |
| desrt | 15s is already a very huge improvement | 07:04 |
| desrt | won't go unnoticed by the press :p | 07:04 |
| pitti | desrt: regular desktop is at 16.5, mostly because of compiz | 07:05 |
| pitti | desrt: if you enable metacity, it's probably more like 14 | 07:05 |
| desrt | either way, a marked improvement from the days of 40 | 07:05 |
| pitti | desrt: but that's only on this atom processor; ogra's laptop boots in 8 :) | 07:05 |
| pitti | absolutely, yes | 07:05 |
| desrt | pretty cool stuff | 07:08 |
| desrt | btw: i hope you come to my 3 security-related sessions :) | 07:08 |
| pitti | desrt: I will! the umask thing, and such, right? | 07:08 |
| desrt | ya | 07:08 |
| desrt | they just got marked for uds-m the other day | 07:08 |
| desrt | which i think is all that's needed to get into the schedule? | 07:09 |
| pitti | for now, yes | 07:09 |
| tjaalton | "ureadahead terminated with status 5" | 07:19 |
| tjaalton | that happens on the uni computers I'm working on, and it slows down the boot considerably :/ | 07:20 |
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| tjaalton | well, running fsck every time probably kills it.. | 07:32 |
| tjaalton | happens on my laptop as well | 07:32 |
| tjaalton | or does ureadahead rely on having /var on the same fs as root? | 07:36 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:38 |
| * didrocks hugs pitti | 07:38 | |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks | 07:38 |
| seb128 | good morning there | 08:50 |
| * seb128 wonders what this guy is doing tagging and untagging tons of bugs | 08:50 | |
| didrocks | good morning seb128 | 08:52 |
| didrocks | seb128: I'm working on file-roller and gnome-screensaver | 08:52 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok thanks | 08:52 |
| seb128 | I'm trying to not touch packages out of the pitivi update I did this morning | 08:53 |
| didrocks | ok :) | 08:53 |
| seb128 | I need to review and milestone bugs | 08:53 |
| seb128 | so we know what to work on next | 08:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: good luck on triaging those :) | 08:53 |
| seb128 | thanks | 08:53 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 08:54 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 08:54 |
| pitti | seb128: looks like a buggy auto-triaging script from the kernel team | 08:54 |
| seb128 | how are you today? | 08:54 |
| pitti | I'm great, thanks! | 08:55 |
| seb128 | pitti, yeah, that was my though too now after reading some of those ;-) | 08:55 |
| pitti | a little stressed, since there's still so much to do for beta-1, but that's fairly normal | 08:55 |
| seb128 | I feel less stressed this week | 08:55 |
| seb128 | now that dx delivered features on time and the artwork landed | 08:55 |
| seb128 | but still pretty busy indeed ;-) | 08:56 |
| seb128 | pitti, can we chat for a few seconds about gdmsetup and login sound? | 08:56 |
| seb128 | pitti, our issue there is to set settings for an another user | 08:56 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you think it would be acceptable to have a small binary setuid gdm write this only gconf key installed? | 08:57 |
| seb128 | pitti, then we wouldn't have to deal with priviledges changes in gdmsetup | 08:57 |
| pitti | seb128: why couldn't this be set through d-bus by the gdm-binary server, like all the other settings? | 08:57 |
| seb128 | because it's not a server setting | 08:57 |
| seb128 | gdm.conf is written by the server and in etc | 08:58 |
| seb128 | but greeters settings are gdm's gconf database | 08:58 |
| seb128 | the greeter is a graphical ui running as gdm user | 08:58 |
| pitti | right | 08:58 |
| pitti | seb128: but gdm still has a session dbus running, etc. | 08:59 |
| pitti | so couldn't the server just do the gconf call as "gdm"? | 08:59 |
| pitti | seb128: with a suid gdm binary, everyone could change server settings without any authentication | 08:59 |
| seb128 | hum, maybe for the server writting in gconf | 09:00 |
| seb128 | > everyone could change server settings without any authentication | 09:00 |
| seb128 | no | 09:00 |
| seb128 | the binary would only be writting this 1 gconf key | 09:00 |
| seb128 | and server settings are not in gconf | 09:00 |
| seb128 | they are in gdm.conf in etc | 09:00 |
| seb128 | the only settings in gconf are the gui ones | 09:00 |
| seb128 | ie theme, sound effects | 09:00 |
| seb128 | nothing concerning security or the server | 09:01 |
| pitti | seb128: so you think it wouldn't be feasible to call gconftool (perhaps with --direct) from gdm-binary for that? | 09:01 |
| seb128 | we really have 2 different components there | 09:01 |
| seb128 | pitti, I didn't think about that before, but it should | 09:01 |
| seb128 | pitti, I bounced you an email from robert_ancell | 09:02 |
| pitti | seb128: obviously we should avoid linking gdm-binary against libgconf, but a mere g_spawn_async seems rather harmless? | 09:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, we were discussing about that small hackish way | 09:03 |
| * pitti reads | 09:03 | |
| seb128 | but we though about putting it in a small wrapper | 09:03 |
| seb128 | not in gdm server itself | 09:03 |
| seb128 | but I don't see any reason why it could be done in the server | 09:04 |
| pitti | setuid for scripts doesn't work, right (by their nature) | 09:04 |
| pitti | seb128: with that, the gdm-binary d-bus interface could just grow a new SetGconfOption() method, then we can reuse that for other settings in the future? | 09:05 |
| seb128 | well I really wanted to do that in an elegant way | 09:05 |
| seb128 | rather than calling g_spaw sudo -u <user> gconftool | 09:06 |
| seb128 | but right | 09:06 |
| pitti | seteuid(gdm); g_spawn_async(); seteuid(0), but yes | 09:06 |
| pitti | seb128: another alternative: just add LoginSound to custom.conf, and if it's not there, use gconf? would that work? | 09:06 |
| pitti | I'm not sure whether the simple-greeter reads custom.conf | 09:07 |
| pitti | or just the gdm-binary | 09:07 |
| seb128 | I don't think the greater does no | 09:07 |
| pitti | ok | 09:07 |
| seb128 | thanks for the suggestion | 09:07 |
| seb128 | I will have a look to add the method in the server rather than a wrapper | 09:07 |
| pitti | seb128: could the server just write the updated gconf file directly? | 09:08 |
| pitti | we already ship gconf xml files in packages, after all (which isn't any better architecture wise) | 09:08 |
| seb128 | would be a bit tricky to get right | 09:08 |
| pitti | /var/lib/gdm/.gconf.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml | 09:08 |
| seb128 | the config can contain any tweak | 09:08 |
| seb128 | we have to detect if this key is already set | 09:09 |
| pitti | yes, true | 09:09 |
| seb128 | and change the right part of the xml | 09:09 |
| pitti | gconftool --direct sounds like the least evil method to me so far, I think | 09:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, well, we write to an user config, not to the system one, I'm not even sure we need --direct | 09:11 |
| pitti | seb128: usually there's no gconfd running for gdm | 09:11 |
| pitti | seb128: I guess it wouldn't terribly hurt to launch one (dbus-daemon is running, after all) | 09:11 |
| pitti | seb128: --direct would break if you have a running session (with gdmsetup) and a running greeter in another X, of course | 09:12 |
| seb128 | I hate the current gdm gconf use | 09:13 |
| seb128 | it's se annoying | 09:13 |
| seb128 | we also have a bug about user changes being overwritten on upgrade | 09:14 |
| pitti | ah, because we ship the verbatim .xml file, indeed | 09:14 |
| pitti | seb128: that's actually an issue -- it would revert the gdmsetup login sound change as well | 09:15 |
| seb128 | but we use a different directory | 09:15 |
| pitti | so perhaps we do need a new gconf search path after all | 09:15 |
| pitti | oh, we do? | 09:15 |
| seb128 | /var/lib/gdm/.gconf.defaults | 09:15 |
| seb128 | we write there | 09:15 |
| seb128 | not in .gconf | 09:15 |
| seb128 | and we have a /var/lib/gdm/.gconf.path | 09:16 |
| seb128 | "# distribution default values | 09:16 |
| seb128 | xml:readwrite:$(HOME)/.gconf.defaults | 09:16 |
| seb128 | " | 09:16 |
| seb128 | I bet it needs to be readonly | 09:16 |
| pitti | ah, good | 09:16 |
| seb128 | I will check on that | 09:16 |
| seb128 | the readwrite might make user wants to land there too | 09:16 |
| seb128 | rather than in .gconf | 09:16 |
| pitti | yes, rw sounds dangerous for files shipped in .debs | 09:16 |
| seb128 | wants -> changes | 09:17 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 09:19 |
| seb128 | hey czajkowski | 09:20 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 09:20 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson! | 09:21 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 09:21 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, good thanks. how are you? | 09:21 |
| czajkowski | seb128: do you sleep or what timezone are you in! | 09:21 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, I do sleep and I'm in Europe | 09:22 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, good, thanks! | 09:22 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, I don't sleep enough some days though ;-) | 09:22 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson, czajkowski | 09:22 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks | 09:22 |
| czajkowski | seb128: oh I'm the same! | 09:22 |
| czajkowski | didrocks: morning | 09:22 |
| czajkowski | today I'm on implementation and someone has added new code to the system and broken a lot of stuff on me >:( | 09:23 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I still get g-s-d crashing on boot :-( | 09:23 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, it's a different bug than the libgnomekbd one | 09:24 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - oh, that's not good. only with the keyboard indicator? | 09:24 |
| seb128 | the crash I get seems similar to bug #522639 | 09:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 522639 in gnome-desktop "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in gnome_bg_draw()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522639 | 09:24 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, you're not using nautilus to draw the desktop? | 09:25 |
| seb128 | I do I think | 09:25 |
| seb128 | at least it's running and I get the nautilus context menu and icons there | 09:25 |
| chrisccoulson | that's strange :-/ | 09:26 |
| seb128 | #2 0x00f8d515 in draw_color_area (bg=<value optimized out>, dest=0x658, | 09:26 |
| seb128 | rect=0x2d1) at gnome-bg.c:759 | 09:26 |
| seb128 | No locals. | 09:26 |
| seb128 | #3 0x00f91044 in draw_color_each_monitor (bg=0x821e800, dest=0x81b8b98, | 09:26 |
| seb128 | ...... | 09:27 |
| seb128 | #6 0x07af2209 in ?? () | 09:27 |
| seb128 | from /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-2.0/libbackground.so | 09:27 |
| seb128 | indeed | 09:27 |
| seb128 | could it be a race on autologin? | 09:27 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 09:27 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti | 09:27 |
| seb128 | it sucks that g-s-d crash on any of its .so crash | 09:27 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, possibly. i don't normally use autologin. that might be why i've not seen it | 09:27 |
| seb128 | it means it's not very robust with bugs in random libs | 09:27 |
| seb128 | like libgnomekbd | 09:28 |
| seb128 | or libxklavier | 09:28 |
| seb128 | or whatever you don't always care about but takes themes, etc down | 09:28 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, it's a bit of a pain sometimes | 09:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh, thanks for fixing that glib unit bug | 09:28 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: IIRC, the check of nautilus is done at the beginning of gnome_bg_draw() function in g-s-d plugin. Weird that it continues… | 09:29 |
| didrocks | (draw_background() function in g-s-d) | 09:30 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm a bit confused by that | 09:31 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - do you know how gnome-power-manager is meant to deal with brightness keys that control the brightness in hardware? | 09:37 |
| chrisccoulson | i notice that my brightness keys change the brightness in multiple steps | 09:37 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: it should just read the current brightness and do the notification bubble, but not actually change the brightness | 09:37 |
| chrisccoulson | and if i stop gnome-power-manager, i can still control the brightness, but just in lesser increments | 09:37 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, it's actually changing the brightness here too | 09:38 |
| chrisccoulson | i wasn't sure how that was all meant to work though, but it sounds like gnome-power-manager is doing the wrong thing then | 09:38 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: is your's using hal? | 09:39 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - no, mines using xrandr | 09:39 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: hm, I don't actually know whether there's a brightness_in_hardware counterpart for this | 09:40 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, ok. so that could be a limitation of the xrandr interface then | 09:41 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: it might be related to /sys/module/video/parameters/brightness_switch_enabled | 09:41 |
| pitti | but I'm not sure whether that's actually relevant for xrandr | 09:42 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, if i set that to "N", then it stops the hardware control | 09:42 |
| bryceh | only a small subset of hardware supports doing brightness via xrandr at the moment afaik | 09:42 |
| chrisccoulson | and gnome-power-manager is doing small increments now | 09:43 |
| pitti | if that's the file which indicates that, then perhaps g-p-m should check that one | 09:43 |
| pitti | bryceh: right | 09:43 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'll chat with hughsie and see what he thinks too | 09:43 |
| chrisccoulson | what does rhythmbox build-depend on xulrunner-dev for? | 10:14 |
| chrisccoulson | there doesn't seem to be any binary dependencies | 10:14 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: perhaps in the past one of the music stores used that to display web sites? | 10:19 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, i'm not sure. i'm trying a build now without the dependency | 10:19 |
| chrisccoulson | i can't see any check for it in configure.ac either | 10:19 |
| chrisccoulson | so, that might be an easy transition ;) | 10:20 |
| milanbv | chrisccoulson, pitti: mind talking about services-admin once again? ;-) | 10:23 |
| chrisccoulson | milanbv, i might struggle to find the time to talk about it this morning ;) | 10:29 |
| milanbv | chrisccoulson: depends on what you plan to do | 10:29 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, pitti: rhythmbox, it is,was for the some firefox plugins for i<somthing> | 10:30 |
| milanbv | if you just want to reenable services-admin, it should take only a few minutes | 10:30 |
| milanbv | no need to make a release specially for that | 10:30 |
| milanbv | else it might be worth discussing longer :-) | 10:31 |
| pitti | milanbv: what do you currently do with init.d scripts? what with upstart scripts? | 10:32 |
| pitti | and how do we make sure that the user can't disable vital system services? | 10:32 |
| milanbv | pitti: we support init.d scripts just as before, and ignore upstart jobs | 10:32 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - librhythmbox-itms-detection-plugin.so? | 10:32 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I guess so | 10:32 |
| milanbv | the only change is that we hide dummy init.d scripts that link to upstart jobs | 10:32 |
| pitti | milanbv: does that filter out init.d scripts which symlinks ot /lib/init/upstart-job? | 10:33 |
| milanbv | and we hide vital services using a list that I've just updated | 10:33 |
| pitti | ah, good | 10:33 |
| milanbv | pitti: yes | 10:33 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, it seems to not be required for a while though | 10:34 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, it's probably a leftover | 10:34 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, reading git log | 10:34 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - it's still being built | 10:34 |
| seb128 | well but it doesn't require xul apparently | 10:34 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that makes sense. it built fine without it anyway ;) | 10:35 |
| seb128 | the build-depends is a leftover | 10:35 |
| chrisccoulson | cool, i will remove that then | 10:35 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:35 |
| seb128 | brb | 10:35 |
| seb128 | re | 10:37 |
| seb128 | rodrigo__, tomboy 1.1.4 is in lucid already since yesterday | 10:37 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, let me know if you need sponsoring for something btw | 10:38 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, you should really apply for main uploads ;-) | 10:38 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - thanks | 10:38 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i will apply soon :) | 10:38 |
| rodrigo__ | seb128, ah, cool! | 10:39 |
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| asac | mvo on vacation? | 11:02 |
| asac | hmm | 11:02 |
| dpm | hi seb128, I've noticed that the Evolution desktop entry does not load translations, even if they are present in the .mo files and the X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain field is correct on the .desktop file. Any idea what this could be? | 11:04 |
| dpm | Also, I notice on http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/392424/ that there are now [Compose Shortcut Group] and [Contacts Shortcut Group] sections with Name fields. It's the 10_desktop_shortcuts.patch. Can these be made translatable? | 11:04 |
| seb128 | dpm, what entry? | 11:05 |
| seb128 | the indicator one or the menu one? | 11:05 |
| seb128 | dunno about 10_desktop_shortcuts.patch check with kenvandine and ted | 11:05 |
| dpm | seb128, the menu one. ok, for the rest I'll check with them | 11:07 |
| seb128 | dpm, is the title translation in your langpack? | 11:07 |
| dpm | yes | 11:08 |
| dpm | the domain is correct in the .desktop file, and the translations are in the .mo file | 11:08 |
| dpm | I've just noticed this recently, it used to be translated some days ago | 11:09 |
| seb128 | is it correct in /usr/share/applications/desktop*cache? | 11:09 |
| dpm | let me check... | 11:09 |
| seb128 | I guess it's again a gnome-menus cache issue | 11:10 |
| seb128 | it might not like the recent dx addtions to the desktop entry | 11:10 |
| dpm | in /usr/share/applications/desktop*cache the entry is in English | 11:11 |
| seb128 | can you open a bug on gnome-menus? | 11:11 |
| dpm | sure | 11:11 |
| pitti | dpm: assign it to me, please | 11:12 |
| dpm | ok, thanks seb128 and pitti :) | 11:12 |
| dpm | ok, it's bug 535650 | 11:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 535650 in gnome-menus "Evolution desktop entry does not load translations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/535650 | 11:21 |
| seb128 | dpm, pitti: it's probably a desktop-file-utils issue rather | 11:21 |
| * pitti -> lunch | 11:21 | |
| seb128 | pitti, enjoy | 11:21 |
| seb128 | dpm, thanks | 11:22 |
| dpm | no worries, I'll open a new task, then | 11:22 |
| seb128 | dpm, don't | 11:22 |
| seb128 | dpm, one task is enough, pitti will reassign if required | 11:23 |
| dpm | ah, oops | 11:23 |
| seb128 | dpm, when the task is wrong the way is to change it, not to add a new one | 11:23 |
| seb128 | dpm, otherwise you keep mail spamming people subscribing the the wrong task which is still there | 11:23 |
| dpm | I see, sorry about that. | 11:23 |
| seb128 | np | 11:23 |
| seb128 | it's only a detail | 11:23 |
| seb128 | let the bug as it is now | 11:23 |
| seb128 | we will pick it from there | 11:24 |
| dpm | thanks seb128, it's good to know that for the future | 11:24 |
| tseliot | pitti: do you know why the keyboard layout goes back to en-us when I vt switch? | 11:44 |
| seb128 | tseliot, is that a new issue? | 11:44 |
| tseliot | seb128: no, I don't think so. It's been there for a while | 11:44 |
| seb128 | ok good | 11:44 |
| === pedro__ is now known as pedro_ | ||
| seb128 | just checking is what not due to the patch I uploaded yesterday | 11:45 |
| tseliot | no, definitely it wasn't caused by anything uploaded today | 11:45 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 11:46 |
| * seb128 lunch | 11:46 | |
| asac | seb128: whats the status of the last upload gnome batch? | 11:49 |
| asac | something is out of sync for ur for > 24h ;) | 11:49 |
| asac | wonder if you had some build failures or something in your inbox | 11:49 |
| asac | ok ogra said it should be fine in 1h | 11:50 |
| asac | ;) | 11:50 |
| ogra | it built | 11:51 |
| ogra | its just the publisher being behind on arch: any | 11:51 |
| seb128 | asac, we are pretty much done with updates | 12:04 |
| seb128 | asac, well there is still a new gtk coming today most likely though | 12:04 |
| asac | ok | 12:05 |
| asac | can you upload that EOD= | 12:05 |
| asac | ? | 12:06 |
| asac | ogra needs to fix somthing he can only test ;) | 12:06 |
| asac | with consistent archive | 12:06 |
| seb128 | asac, ok | 12:07 |
| seb128 | I will upload tomorrow rather if you want | 12:07 |
| seb128 | we are not in an hurry | 12:07 |
| seb128 | let me know when you are done with your testing | 12:07 |
| asac | seb128: its better to have it built over night than over da | 12:07 |
| ogra | seb128, well, i only need the ubuntu-netbook task installable to debug an apt hang | 12:07 |
| asac | y | 12:07 |
| asac | so tonight would be great ;) | 12:08 |
| ogra | yeah, EOD would help | 12:08 |
| seb128 | ok, works for me | 12:08 |
| ogra | i wont work tonight :) | 12:08 |
| asac | cool ;) | 12:08 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| chrisccoulson | right, me -> lunch | 12:34 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - you didn't update bzr when you uploaded gnome-python-extras ;) | 12:37 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: is there a bzr? | 12:41 |
| pitti | oh, argh | 12:41 |
| chrisccoulson | there is | 12:42 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I'll fix it, sorry | 12:42 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - no worries, i'm fixing it now | 12:42 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ok, thanks | 12:42 |
| chrisccoulson | i'd already pushed some new changes, and tried to upload | 12:42 |
| chrisccoulson | and i got a rejection ;) | 12:42 |
| pitti | tseliot: oh, it does? in X you mean? | 12:42 |
| pitti | tseliot: or on the VTs? | 12:42 |
| tseliot | pitti: using the VTs | 12:43 |
| tseliot | it works well in X | 12:43 |
| tseliot | Ctrl+Alt+F1 gets me to tty1 with a US layout | 12:44 |
| * tseliot -> lunch | 12:44 | |
| pitti | tseliot: that sounds related to the plymouth code which replaced loadkeys.sh | 12:45 |
| pitti | tseliot: do you get it when you purge plymouth? | 12:46 |
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| vish | WOW , first time _ever_ i'v seen seb128 comment on a blog :) | 12:54 |
| vish | or maybe its because i dont read blog comments often ;p | 12:55 |
| seb128 | vish, it's because I've been asked to put my comment there :p | 12:58 |
| vish | hehe ;) | 12:58 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| SEJeff_work | What was the technical decision to stick with the old xf86-video-intel driver in a LTS? | 13:06 |
| SEJeff_work | vs the one where they've fixed a lot of bugs and done a lot of work on which was recently released? Lack of testing bandwidth? | 13:07 |
| pitti | SEJeff_work: is there a newer version than 2.9.1? | 13:07 |
| SEJeff_work | Yes, 2.10 | 13:08 |
| SEJeff_work | 2.10 removes userspace modesetting and the giant bunch of code that goes with it. | 13:09 |
| pitti | SEJeff_work: ah, bryceh just reenabled UMS in the last upload, since apparently KMS still causes problems in some setups | 13:09 |
| SEJeff_work | pitti, But that means we get the driver from last September which is 6 months old already. Thats a decade in oss development :/ | 13:10 |
| pitti | I don't know more about the plans, sorry | 13:11 |
| SEJeff_work | thanks | 13:11 |
| pitti | SEJeff_work: tjaalton and bryceh might have an opinion/existing plan, though | 13:11 |
| tjaalton | SEJeff_work: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-x/2010-March/000822.html | 13:13 |
| SEJeff_work | tjaalton, Right, but it seems like you'll be rebasing any fixes. Not so great from a LTS perspective even with 25 kernel devs on the 2 kernel teams: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/commit/?id=8ae0e44e42db645abe6d385f561260d2ae4a1960 | 13:14 |
| SEJeff_work | thanks tjaalton | 13:14 |
| tjaalton | most of the fixes will be to the drm code anyway | 13:15 |
| SEJeff_work | Hopefully so. Lucid is looking great so far | 13:15 |
| kklimonda | seb128: should I tag somehow bugs related to the change of tooltip background in new theme? | 13:18 |
| seb128 | kklimonda, no, is there that many of those? | 13:18 |
| seb128 | kklimonda, I only know about vino and rhythmbox so far | 13:18 |
| kklimonda | seb128: I don't know - I've just found about vino and I'm using this theme for less then 24 hours ;) | 13:19 |
| seb128 | that's a known issue | 13:19 |
| tseliot | pitti: ah, so plymouth is overriding the layout? | 13:28 |
| pitti | tseliot: I'm not sure, I just know that when plymouth is on, loadkeys.sh doesn't run | 13:28 |
| pitti | or runs differently, or something | 13:28 |
| tseliot | pitti: I'll ask Keybuk about it, he should know what's happening | 13:29 |
| tseliot | pitti: BTW what is it that calls loadkeys.sh? | 13:29 |
| pitti | tseliot: I think /etc/init.d/keyboard-setup from console-setup package | 13:30 |
| pitti | through setupcon perhaps? | 13:31 |
| tseliot | ok, thanks | 13:33 |
| Riddell | what's the difference is between indicator-applet and indicator-messages? | 13:34 |
| seb128 | Riddell, one is an applet, ie a widget, the other one is a service | 13:34 |
| seb128 | Riddell, indicator-sound, indicator-me, indicator-session are services | 13:35 |
| seb128 | they all dock into the applet to be rendered | 13:35 |
| seb128 | Riddell, ls /usr/lib/indicators/3 | 13:35 |
| seb128 | Riddell, what are you trying to figure exactly? | 13:35 |
| Riddell | seb128: what kopete-message-indicator should recommend to users | 13:36 |
| Riddell | am thinking it's Recommends: plasma-widget-message-indicator | indicator-applet | 13:36 |
| seb128 | seems about right to me | 13:36 |
| Riddell | thanks | 13:36 |
| seb128 | np | 13:36 |
| tseliot | Keybuk: do you know why when we use plymouth, loadkeys.sh doesn't run? | 13:39 |
| Keybuk | tseliot: yes, because you can't load keys while a splash screen is running | 13:39 |
| Keybuk | Colin is working on that whole issue | 13:39 |
| tseliot | pitti: ^^ | 13:40 |
| tseliot | Keybuk: good to know. Thanks | 13:40 |
| pitti | tseliot: thanks | 13:40 |
| Keybuk | it's the whole issue where if the vt is in KD_GRAPHICS or K_RAW things don't work out | 13:40 |
| tseliot | ah | 13:41 |
| pitti | . o { GTG is awesome } | 13:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you know if plan to test rebuild lucid and when? | 13:48 |
| pitti | seb128: that already happened several times | 13:51 |
| pitti | I don't know the schedule for the next ones, though | 13:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, I expect quite some drawback due to gtksealing | 13:53 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, what's that? | 13:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, http://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/UseGseal | 13:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, things like http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=8c8cf192d861a1a6c202624ee0b4c0ff43077080 | 13:54 |
| seb128 | will probably be required on quite some source | 13:54 |
| seb128 | pitti, it only breaks for things which turn use of deprecated api as errors but by experience there is a bunch of those in the universe | 13:55 |
| pitti | ah, so all the GTK_FOO_BAR() macros are direct access | 13:55 |
| seb128 | yes | 13:56 |
| pitti | I see | 13:56 |
| seb128 | and they want to stop that for gtk | 13:56 |
| seb128 | gtk3 | 13:56 |
| seb128 | so they add accessor functions instead | 13:56 |
| seb128 | and deprecate the direct access on the way | 13:56 |
| seb128 | usually fixing builds is trivial but we should aim at building at list of things broken early | 13:57 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you think that's worth an ubuntu-devel email? | 14:07 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, I think so; might help people examining FTBFSes | 14:07 |
| seb128 | ok, will do that | 14:07 |
| pitti | seb128: adding bug 536670 to lucid, FYI | 14:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 536670 in gvfs "Does not automount unpartitioned devices" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/536670 | 14:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 14:24 |
| === robbiew_ is now known as robbiew | ||
| pitti | pedro_: hey, how are you? | 14:40 |
| pitti | pedro_: if you have a minute, would you mind testing the -proposed tzdata binaries for bug 532924 ? | 14:40 |
| pedro_ | hey pitti! good thanks, what about you? | 14:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 532924 in tzdata "Chilean timezone extraordinary change -- update to 2010e" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532924 | 14:40 |
| pitti | pedro_: I'm great, thanks! hope your family is alright | 14:40 |
| pedro_ | pitti, sure will do it and ask for testing in my loco community too | 14:41 |
| pitti | pedro_: I already gave them standard testing, but I'd rather have another person acking it before rushing it in | 14:41 |
| pedro_ | roger that | 14:41 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: around? | 14:51 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: yes, how are you? | 14:51 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: doing OK, was just looking more at bug #2814 | 14:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 2814 in launchpad-integration "launchpad-integration doesn't open a new browser for sudo apps (like gnome-app-install)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2814 | 14:52 |
| LaserJock | uhh | 14:52 |
| didrocks | error on copy and paste? :) | 14:52 |
| LaserJock | hmm, error in weechat not passing the "three" and "nine" key | 14:53 |
| LaserJock | bug #283914 | 14:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 283914 in netbook-launcher "netbook-launcher doesn't reflect changed icons in main menu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283914 | 14:54 |
| LaserJock | weird, I must of messed up a keybinding | 14:54 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: anyway, there doesn't seem to be any info already cached that would let us know if the icon had changed | 14:54 |
| * kenvandine goes afk for a bit... parent/teacher conference | 14:55 | |
| kenvandine | should be back in 1 to 1.5 hours | 14:55 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: would an OK strategy be to add say the size of the icon to the cache and check that? | 14:55 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: if it's too much work or too hackish, we just maybe postpone. It's not a so important fix to have in lucid | 14:56 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: we will still have the bug if the size of the icon with the replace one is the same | 14:56 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: how is it done for the actual .desktop files? | 14:58 |
| LaserJock | or is n-l lacking an update mechanism there too | 14:58 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: I think the easiest is to look at the code of the menu. there should be a notification with inotify (not sure about how it's done) | 14:59 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: I mean, the menu in the panel :) | 14:59 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: ok, so given approaching Beta1 would you rather I look at bug #455143 or maybe some of the crashers ? | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 455143 in netbook-remix-launcher ""Change desktop background" menu only appears when right-clicking within "Favourites"" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455143 | 15:06 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: I had a look lately, the code to insert is obvious, but not the place where to put it :) | 15:07 |
| didrocks | (lately == this morning) | 15:07 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: I think it's a matter of an hour just to understand the difference between the applications places and the favorite one | 15:08 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: if you want to look at that, it'll rock! | 15:08 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: the code you want to add is at ../src/nl-favorite-view.c:356 and corresponds to http://paste.ubuntu.com/392589/ | 15:09 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: you wanna give me the obvious code? I'll find where to stick it | 15:09 |
| LaserJock | ah, you read my mind | 15:09 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: heh, as I have already found it, you can gain 10 minutes with that :) | 15:09 |
| didrocks | so, it's just the matter of getting the right clutter actor | 15:10 |
| didrocks | and add the gtk signal for pressed | 15:10 |
| LaserJock | didrocks: k, I'll work on that then | 15:11 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: awesome :) | 15:12 |
| * LaserJock mumbles "I for one welcome our new didrocks overlord" | 15:14 | |
| didrocks | There are lots of people more talented that I here, I'm afraid ;) but that's kind of you, thanks :) | 15:16 |
| === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, bug #501252, do you know if that's still true and still an indicator issue? | 15:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 501252 in indicator-session "Impossible to disable password after suspend-to-ram or -to-disk (regression)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501252 | 15:46 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, or rather an upower one? | 15:46 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - both really. with our current architecture, things like gnome-session and indicator-session are all individually responsible for locking the screen, and all implement their own policy for doing that | 15:47 |
| chrisccoulson | but in an ideal world, gnome-screensaver would get a signal from upower | 15:47 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ok thanks | 15:47 |
| chrisccoulson | and it would be consistent then, and there would be a global way of disabling it | 15:47 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I'm just triaging bugs today so I was just wondering if that should be reassigned | 15:48 |
| chrisccoulson | it's ok where it is for now (if we were going to fix it, it would be done in indicator-session for now) | 15:48 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ok thanks | 15:50 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i wrote a patch for gnome-session to honour that gconf value i think, and apply the same policy as gpm) | 15:50 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, how is your 100 bugs list going? | 15:54 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, hey, not done yet, I've added some but I'm helping dxteam right now to triage their list and pick bugs for lucid | 15:55 |
| rickspencer3 | not done, you've had like 12 hours! | 15:55 |
| rickspencer3 | j/k | 15:55 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 15:55 |
| desrt | uh. | 15:56 |
| desrt | glib2.0-2.23.5/debian/patches/05_file_size_units.patch | 15:57 |
| desrt | guys. seriously. | 15:57 |
| pitti | desrt: that one has been discussed in the upstream bug for quite a while | 15:57 |
| pitti | unfortunately still not with any decision | 15:58 |
| pitti | so we went ahead and patched it | 15:58 |
| mclasen | we don't plan to change it, how is that not a decision ? | 15:58 |
| pitti | I didn't see any definite answer there, and the bug is still open | 15:58 |
| pitti | mclasen: if there is a decision to keep it like that, it should perhaps be WONTFIXed? | 15:59 |
| mclasen | perhaps | 15:59 |
| pitti | (which would be sad, but better than leaving it like that, I guess) | 15:59 |
| mclasen | but you know what would happen...people would open new bugs | 15:59 |
| pitti | and it's not exactly a huge patch to carry anyway | 15:59 |
| desrt | pitti: it changes the API/ABI of a supposedly-API/ABI-stable library | 16:00 |
| desrt | pitti: it also changes the _documentation_ for said library | 16:00 |
| pitti | so if upstream decides for using KiB/MiB, that's fine as well, but the current units are just wrong | 16:00 |
| desrt | without maybe making a note about "by the way, this is different on ubuntu than everywhere else on earth" | 16:00 |
| pitti | desrt: how so? it just outputs wrong numbers, that's just a bug? | 16:00 |
| desrt | pitti: this is political. | 16:00 |
| pitti | desrt: everywhere else on earth MB == 10^6 | 16:01 |
| desrt | your opinion of "wrong" is alex's opinion of "right" | 16:01 |
| pitti | erm, M = 10^6, I mean | 16:01 |
| desrt | pitti: so many people are _not_ doing that that you guys have a special exception on your wiki page for "things we won't break because it's too important that it continues working properly" | 16:01 |
| pitti | well, *shrug*, I didn't harass anyone to "plz apply upstream now or we'll hate you forever" or so | 16:03 |
| pitti | I just found it polite to send the patch to the upstream bug | 16:03 |
| desrt | pitti: do you not see the potential confusion caused to application developers? | 16:05 |
| pitti | desrt: I do | 16:05 |
| pitti | but that confusion is there either way | 16:06 |
| desrt | i'm less confused when an API in a library that i use for cross-platform compaibility gives the same results on all platform | 16:06 |
| pitti | gvfs uses correct GBs ("10 GB drive"), gnome-system-monitor uses correct MiB/GiB, etc. | 16:06 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - could you please add a lucid task for bug 536737? | 16:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 536737 in couchdb "Port couchdb to xulrunner-1.9.2" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/536737 | 16:22 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: done | 16:23 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - thanks | 16:23 |
| chrisccoulson | who is familiar with the couchdb packaging, and could review micahg's change on bug 536737? | 16:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 536737 in couchdb "Port couchdb to xulrunner-1.9.2" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/536737 | 16:37 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ^ | 16:38 |
| * kenvandine looks | 16:39 | |
| kenvandine | we might want to get statik to look | 16:39 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine, thanks | 16:39 |
| chrisccoulson | we're just testing the change at the moment | 16:39 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, i'll handle it | 16:39 |
| kenvandine | ah... ok | 16:39 |
| chrisccoulson | awesome, thanks :) | 16:39 |
| kenvandine | ok, it looks harmless but i will get confirmation | 16:40 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 16:40 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, if he is happy with it, should he just upload it? | 16:41 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine - i don't mind. i'd like the opportunity to test it first (to make sure it loads the 1.9.2 GRE and works properly) | 16:41 |
| kenvandine | ok, i'll have him check with you first | 16:42 |
| kenvandine | thx | 16:42 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 16:42 |
| === oubiwann` is now known as oubiwann | ||
| chrisccoulson | brb, session restart | 16:49 |
| mpt | rickspencer3, hi, have you tried Computer Janitor recently? | 17:10 |
| rickspencer3 | mpt, no | 17:10 |
| rickspencer3 | that's a foundationsy thing | 17:10 |
| rickspencer3 | I don't track it | 17:10 |
| mpt | ok | 17:10 |
| rickspencer3 | mpt, why do you ask? | 17:10 |
| mpt | rickspencer3, a bunch of us Design team peeps are a bit concerned it doesn't really meet Ubuntu standards, and we were wondering whether it's more realistic to (a) find someone to fix it and get a UI freeze exception or (b) get it taken off the seed for Lucid | 17:12 |
| mpt | On 2 out of 3 machines we've tried it on, it does nothing at all | 17:12 |
| seb128 | you should check with mvo he's probably the one who knows the status | 17:14 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, pitti: do we have any way to get a list of bugs with a lucid task on packages that dxteam is responsive for? | 17:16 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ^ | 17:16 |
| kenvandine | humm | 17:16 |
| seb128 | I think the reply is "no" or at least not in launchpad | 17:17 |
| seb128 | but maybe on some bughugger report or something | 17:17 |
| kenvandine | yeah, it is no | 17:17 |
| kenvandine | i just open the bugs page for each of the projects | 17:17 |
| kenvandine | which isn't very efficient | 17:17 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, right, it's not ;-) | 17:18 |
| kenvandine | in fact it is down right painful :) | 17:18 |
| kenvandine | i would love a better way | 17:18 |
| pitti | seb128: not that I know of, sorry | 17:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks for commenting, I was pretty sure the symptoms were the same but as I didn't deal with those bugs, I was unsure :) | 17:47 |
| seb128 | didrocks, np | 17:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, bug #536801 btw if you want to confirm it | 17:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 536801 in indicator-session "switching users don't always lock the session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/536801 | 17:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, thanks anyway | 17:49 |
| seb128 | tedg, ^ | 17:50 |
| seb128 | tedg, I assigned it to you, let me know if you can't reproduce or need details | 17:50 |
| didrocks | seb128: done | 17:51 |
| tedg | seb128: Cool, thanks. | 17:51 |
| * tedg will have to install a couple more users :) | 17:51 | |
| seb128 | I've a testbox I can reboot for testing, ie the mini10 | 17:51 |
| seb128 | and I get the bug easily on it | 17:51 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 17:51 |
| sanderqd | hi, I'm trying to publish a customized gnome-applets package but I'm not sure how to set up my bzr branches. specifically, I'm wondering how the patches in lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-applets/ubuntu are developed - in a separate lp:gnome-applets fork? | 17:59 |
| seb128 | hi sanderqd | 18:01 |
| seb128 | the ubuntu-desktop one only has the debian dir | 18:01 |
| seb128 | it's copy in the unpacked tarball | 18:01 |
| seb128 | and we use that to build | 18:01 |
| sanderqd | seb128: ok, and you use that branch to version-control patches? there's also lp:ubuntu/gnome-applets which contains both the original source and debian/ | 18:03 |
| seb128 | right | 18:03 |
| seb128 | lp:ubuntu/gnome-applets is an auto import of uploads | 18:03 |
| seb128 | you can use that as well | 18:04 |
| sanderqd | ok, cool. thanks for clearing that up | 18:04 |
| seb128 | cassidy, there? | 18:06 |
| seb128 | sanderqd, you're welcome | 18:06 |
| vish | mpt: hi.. any idea what the icon name is for the software store categories icons? | 18:08 |
| mpt | vish, some of the icon names are directly in the "software-center.menu" file, others are called indirectly by <Directory> in that file | 18:18 |
| mpt | I don't remember where the <Directory> ones come from, but seb128 or mvo would know | 18:19 |
| seb128 | gnome-menus | 18:19 |
| seb128 | dpkg -L gnome-menus | grep directories | 18:20 |
| seb128 | dpkg -L gnome-menus | grep directory | 18:20 |
| seb128 | rather | 18:20 |
| mpt | thanks seb128 | 18:20 |
| seb128 | np | 18:20 |
| vish | thanks .. | 18:20 |
| vish | mpt: i think the first section in games is "arcade" seems to be mentioned as amusements > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Genre , | 18:21 |
| * vish thought that all games were amusements :p | 18:22 | |
| mpt | vish, that page mentions neither Arcade nor Amusements | 18:23 |
| vish | mpt: in genre , the first one i see is "Amusements" as a subsection of games.. | 18:24 |
| mpt | vish, reload :-) | 18:24 |
| vish | hehe ;p | 18:24 |
| LaserJock | kenvandine: reading your changelog for latest empathy, do you know if there are any security implications for making a non-SSL protocol default? | 18:31 |
| kenvandine | not really... it isn't adding the account | 18:32 |
| kenvandine | the user still has to do that | 18:32 |
| kenvandine | it is just the first one in the list, based on popularity | 18:32 |
| kenvandine | and our theme of being social from the start | 18:33 |
| kenvandine | it isn't setting anything up that doesn't use SSL | 18:33 |
| LaserJock | how is that popularity assessed? | 18:33 |
| kenvandine | informal data from gtalk employees | 18:34 |
| kenvandine | they say facebook is the most popular means of chat now | 18:34 |
| kenvandine | informal though | 18:34 |
| LaserJock | I know it's not adding it, but it seems like encouraging people to use an insecure protocol, which doesn't sound all that great | 18:34 |
| LaserJock | ok | 18:34 |
| kenvandine | not really encouraging, it is something most people use already :) | 18:34 |
| LaserJock | but shouldn't ;-) | 18:35 |
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| LaserJock | although I do so naughty me | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | we would just rather them do it in empathy than in a web browser | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | we all do :) | 18:35 |
| LaserJock | well | 18:35 |
| LaserJock | but a browser is potentially safer | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | potentially | 18:35 |
| LaserJock | exactly | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | but people shouldn't be sending sensitive data over chat anyway | 18:35 |
| LaserJock | it's not that | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | passwd and such though | 18:35 |
| LaserJock | it's the password is being sent unencripted | 18:36 |
| LaserJock | wow, I can't spell | 18:36 |
| LaserJock | but I guess if Facebook is doing that to millions every day what's another drop in the bucket? | 18:36 |
| kenvandine | hehe.. yeah | 18:36 |
| LaserJock | I just happened to be reading up on the Facebook SSL issue the other day | 18:36 |
| kenvandine | hopefully they will open it up with ssl | 18:36 |
| LaserJock | and it seemed slightly scary compared to most other services | 18:37 |
| pitti | good night everyone! | 18:39 |
| didrocks | have a good night pitti | 18:40 |
| chrisccoulson | good night pitti | 18:41 |
| seb128 | 'night pitti | 18:41 |
| bryceh | pitti, regarding the earlier question about -intel; I went through the git changelog for 2.10 and found it's like 98% code deletion, with the other 2% being a handful of work on Xv and maybe one or two bug fixes which may or may not be relevant to us. | 18:43 |
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| chrisccoulson | well, quiet evening for me tonight | 18:48 |
| chrisccoulson | no baby here! | 18:49 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, oh, enjoy ;-) | 18:53 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, did you find somebody to do babysitting so you can go out or something? | 18:53 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - my girlfriend has gone to stay with her sister for the evening | 18:54 |
| chrisccoulson | so, i've got the house to myself for a change! | 18:54 |
| seb128 | I see ;-) | 18:54 |
| seb128 | don't work too much! | 18:54 |
| kenvandine | ;-) | 18:54 |
| seb128 | or if you do, hack on fun stuff ;-) | 18:54 |
| seb128 | anyway time for dinner here | 18:55 |
| seb128 | bbl | 18:55 |
| kenvandine | later seb128 | 18:55 |
| sanderqd | is there a policy about attributing patch authors in packages like gnome-panel? i don't see many names in debian/changelog, neither in debian/patches/ | 18:59 |
| * LaserJock needs to get more RAM for his netbook, chromium sucks it like a Dyson | 19:05 | |
| seb128 | sanderqd, we usually write "thank to ..." in the changelog entry | 19:17 |
| seb128 | didrocks, btw, wanna do the gst-plugins-bad0.10 update tomorrow? | 19:20 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure :) | 19:20 |
| seb128 | thanks | 19:20 |
| didrocks | you're welcome | 19:20 |
| seb128 | enjoy your evening meanwhile | 19:21 |
| didrocks | thanks, you too :-) | 19:21 |
| seb128 | I'm pinging in the evening because you are an earlier starter than me in the morning :p | 19:21 |
| seb128 | see you later! | 19:21 |
| seb128 | bbl | 19:22 |
| kenvandine | tedg, i just uploaded evolution with the fix that should get the Shortcut Group names translated | 19:57 |
| seb128 | re | 20:01 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, tedg: speaking of which you groups name are buggy, they should start by X-Canonical | 20:02 |
| seb128 | or X-Ubuntu | 20:02 |
| kenvandine | tedg, ^^ | 20:02 |
| kenvandine | tedg, was there reasoning for using Ayatana? | 20:02 |
| kenvandine | i would think X-Ubuntu | 20:02 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, oh, ayatana is fine too | 20:04 |
| seb128 | [Compose Shortcut Group] | 20:04 |
| seb128 | that one has no X- though | 20:04 |
| seb128 | neither does | 20:04 |
| seb128 | [Contacts Shortcut Group] | 20:04 |
| kenvandine | neither does [Desktop Entry] | 20:05 |
| kenvandine | :) | 20:05 |
| seb128 | Desktop Entry is speced | 20:05 |
| seb128 | X- are for things which are not in specs | 20:05 |
| * kenvandine hopes this is proposed at least | 20:05 | |
| seb128 | ie Comment= is official | 20:05 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 20:05 |
| tedg | seb128: I figured that since the names of the groups were defined by the entries anyway, it seemed a little redundant to have a field that was X-Ayatana then refer to groups that were X-Ayatana... | 20:07 |
| seb128 | tedg, desktop-file-validate complains about those not respecting the spec though | 20:08 |
| seb128 | and I just read the spec it's clear than non official groups should use X-... | 20:08 |
| tedg | I have no issue changing it, just seemed wordy. | 20:08 |
| seb128 | tedg, bug #452659 is weird | 20:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 452659 in indicator-me "indicator-applet-session's icons are not reflecting the status changes" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452659 | 20:13 |
| seb128 | tedg, the combo boxes in pidgin and empathy and the indicator are in sync but the buddy list status is wrong in both pidgin and empathy | 20:14 |
| seb128 | tedg, do you think it could be a bug in both softwares? | 20:14 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure to understand the issue | 20:14 |
| tedg | seb128: I'm guessing what is happening is the telepathy status negotiation. | 20:16 |
| tedg | seb128: So basically every telepathy client has a set of statuses it can represent. | 20:16 |
| tedg | seb128: And when you try to set it, it figures out which one is "most available" if it can't set that one. | 20:16 |
| tedg | seb128: So if you set invisible, and it doesn't support that, it'll go to Away. | 20:17 |
| tedg | seb128: But, *only* on that protocol, not all. | 20:17 |
| tedg | seb128: You end up with this crazy indeterminate state. | 20:17 |
| seb128 | tedg, that sort of makes sense, I've asked detail on the protocol being used | 20:17 |
| tedg | I'm really not certain what we should/could be doing there. | 20:18 |
| seb128 | well to me it seems the indicator is not buggy | 20:19 |
| seb128 | since the pidgin or empathy combo stays in the same state | 20:19 |
| baptistemm_ | hey bfiller | 20:28 |
| baptistemm_ | I was thinking about you | 20:28 |
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| bfiller | baptistemm: hey | 20:28 |
| baptistemm_ | bfiller, Could you comment on upstream bug in Bug #369522 | 20:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 369522 in gnome-user-share "obexpushd and obexftp not correctly restarted after S3/S4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/369522 | 20:29 |
| baptistemm_ | actually I never saw you here but today :) | 20:29 |
| bfiller | baptistemm: I will get to that today | 20:30 |
| bfiller | baptistemm: I'm usually on this channel :) | 20:30 |
| baptistemm_ | so the upstream bug is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610316 | 20:30 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 610316 in general "Cleanup suspend/resume code" [Normal,Needinfo] | 20:30 |
| baptistemm_ | and I updated the patch to the latest git there | 20:31 |
| bfiller | ok | 20:31 |
| baptistemm_ | actually I really happy you looked at this code, as I wrote it :) | 20:32 |
| sanderqd | mclasen: hi, i'm trying to apply http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/gnome-panel/icon-padding.patch?revision=1.1&view=markup in ubuntu, but after restarting gnome-panel the padding setting doesn't seem to have any effect. any idea about what i could do? | 20:44 |
| mclasen | sanderqd: first thing I would check is if the panel is actually looking for the gconf key you set | 20:59 |
| sanderqd | mclasen: sounds good, is there a nice way to check that? | 20:59 |
| mclasen | add some debug spew ? | 21:01 |
| TheMuso | Good morning. | 21:32 |
| RAOF | Good morning. | 21:33 |
| seb128 | RAOF, hi, how are you? | 21:36 |
| RAOF | Hi seb128! I'm all excited to see what fun new bugs my call for nouveau testing has russled up. | 21:36 |
| seb128 | RAOF, nice ;-) | 21:37 |
| didrocks | hey RAOF | 21:37 |
| * seb128 has no nvidia hardware | 21:37 | |
| rickspencer3 | wow, quite the flood of Fix Released for pitivi | 21:37 |
| didrocks | time to go for me, I was telling to have an early evening :) | 21:37 |
| rickspencer3 | bye bye didrocks | 21:38 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Hey! | 21:38 |
| rickspencer3 | take it easy! | 21:38 |
| didrocks | bye rickspencer3 :) | 21:38 |
| seb128 | didrocks, 'night | 21:38 |
| RAOF | didrocks: Have a good evening :) | 21:38 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, yeah, I got the new version in and cleaned the buglist a bit | 21:38 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, you totally deserve a nice evening out! | 21:38 |
| didrocks | thanks everyone, have a good day/evening/night :) | 21:38 |
| RAOF | Also, virt-manager looks shiny and new and will hopefully build me an armel VM that I can run gdb in to fix the gjs FTBFS. | 21:38 |
| fagan | RAOF: hmmm I have nvidia hardware and im lucid how do I test it | 21:41 |
| fagan | Is it the default driver or is it still -nv | 21:41 |
| RAOF | It's the default driver. | 21:41 |
| fagan | Oh then im using it then :) | 21:41 |
| RAOF | :) | 21:41 |
| RAOF | And obviously haven't been having a bad time of it :) | 21:41 |
| fagan | RAOF: Well my laptop is running a lot hotter than with the nvidia driver | 21:42 |
| RAOF | Yeah, power management is not yet implemented :/ | 21:43 |
| fagan | But at least it has kms | 21:43 |
| RAOF | Yup. | 21:43 |
| * fagan loves the boot graphic thingy | 21:43 | |
| RAOF | It's really nice. | 21:47 |
| * TheMuso is willing to not have KMS for better power management. | 21:49 | |
| RAOF | Yeah, that's a worthwhile tradeoff. | 21:50 |
| * fagan is shallow then :) | 21:50 | |
| chrisccoulson | bug 520589 is really bothering me | 21:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 520589 in network-manager "Network manager icon does not appear in notification panel at startup" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520589 | 21:57 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I doubt it's a nm-applet bug | 22:01 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I got it once some days ago | 22:02 |
| seb128 | the notification area was not displayed at all until gnome-panel restart | 22:02 |
| rickspencer3 | RAOF, I'm dist-upgrading so I can try out your f-spot patches! | 22:04 |
| RAOF | rickspencer3: :) | 22:04 |
| * rickspencer3 waits for new kernel to install | 22:04 | |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i keep getting it occasionally too, but it's quite difficult to debug | 22:10 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm fairly sure it's probably the same as bug 439448 | 22:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 439448 in gnome-panel "notification area shows wrong icons. erratic behaviour" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439448 | 22:10 |
| seb128 | could be yes | 22:14 |
| seb128 | that one is annoying too | 22:14 |
| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, my issue was that I had removed the indicator applet from that user :) | 22:28 |
| TheMuso | rickspencer3: heh ok. | 22:28 |
| rickspencer3 | Nafai hi | 22:28 |
| crimsun | seb128: the pulse volume/balance issue is not reproducible in current Mandriva dev but is reproducible in F13 | 22:39 |
| crimsun | seb128: I have a couple other bugs to squash, but I'll dig into it | 22:39 |
| seb128 | crimsun, thanks | 22:42 |
| LaserJock | man I hate it when websites give podcast URLs only in iTunes | 22:52 |
| nekohayo | seb128, oh f*ck me... http://ecchi.ca:8000/1.png :) | 22:58 |
| nekohayo | stealth launchpad bugs attack! | 22:58 |
| nekohayo | ah whew, they're not all "private bugs being made public", a bunch of them are fix released, thank you :) | 22:59 |
| seb128 | nekohayo, lol | 23:00 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 23:00 |
| nekohayo | so I'm assuming 0.13.4 is packaged in lucid now | 23:00 |
| seb128 | yes | 23:01 |
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| nekohayo | \o/ | 23:02 |
| nekohayo | any reason why 533062 and 533812 were made public but not also set to "check if it still happens with 0.13.4" ? | 23:04 |
| seb128 | nekohayo, no, I probably overlooked some bugs while going through the list | 23:10 |
| seb128 | nekohayo, doing several things at the same time | 23:10 |
| nekohayo | yeah I can imagine :) I wonder how you manage to keep your sanity with so much bugs | 23:39 |
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