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| Omahn | I've been hoping to do some Ubuntu desktop installs to existing Windows machines using a preseeded install. Problem is that I need to shrink the NTFS partition and AFAIK, I need to do this in early_command, pulling in the ntfsresize binary and parted. I've tried this: d-i preseed/early_command string anna-install parted-udeb | 13:23 |
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| Omahn | Unfortunately it just queues the install and so my resize/partition commands that follow fail. | 13:24 |
| Omahn | Is it possible to use anna-install at this point in the install or should I wget the udebs and install them that way? | 13:24 |
| exlt | cjwatson: thanks for the push :) | 13:30 |
| michaelforrest | cjwatson: thanks for the getting the new branding on the install startup | 13:40 |
| michaelforrest | cjwatson: I am wondering why it seems to be squashed vertically on my screen though | 13:41 |
| persia | michaelforrest: What's your resolution and physical screen dimensions? | 13:45 |
| michaelforrest | I guess the resolution is different during boot | 13:46 |
| persia | Can be, depending on drivers and hardware configurations. | 13:46 |
| michaelforrest | (hang on - just checking - I wasn't logged on) | 13:46 |
| michaelforrest | 1366x768 | 13:47 |
| michaelforrest | 13" | 13:47 |
| persia | And the dimensions of the source graphic? | 13:48 |
| persia | I'm kinda guessing, but I suspect that you are displaying a resampled 1024x768 graphic on that screen at boot time. | 13:48 |
| persia | (which would appear as horizontal stretching or vertical squashing) | 13:49 |
| michaelforrest | I'm trying it on a 1280x800 (i.e. squarer) 12" display and the ubuntu logo is still squashed vertically | 13:50 |
| persia | Do you have access to a 4:3 screen? | 13:50 |
| michaelforrest | yeah that's 4:3 I think | 13:51 |
| michaelforrest | (well - it is 4:3 - the pixel measurements are from memory so might not be right) | 13:52 |
| persia | 1064x800 is 4:3. | 13:52 |
| persia | Lots of modern hardware have non-square pixels. Same reason why people complain stuff is squashed in HD television. | 13:52 |
| michaelforrest | ok - it seems pretty extreme to me | 13:53 |
| michaelforrest | do you know where I can find the logo file? | 13:53 |
| persia | I could be completely wrong, but I suspect that if it looks good on a 4:3, there's some extra stuff that needs to happen for widescreens. | 13:53 |
| michaelforrest | yeah it looks wrong on 4:3 too | 13:53 |
| michaelforrest | so I think it might be the asset | 13:53 |
| persia | I think you're right. | 13:53 |
| persia | michaelforrest: I'm sorry. I'm not finding the asset in a quick search of the few places I thought it might be. I think you'll need someone more knowledgeable to help track it down. | 13:58 |
| michaelforrest | yeah I'm not having any better luck | 13:58 |
| michaelforrest | we need cjwatson! | 13:58 |
| ev | michaelforrest: does this look okay to you (strength meter): http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/good.png | 14:00 |
| michaelforrest | yeah that's fine | 14:01 |
| michaelforrest | can you get rid of all the supporting text under these fields now? | 14:01 |
| persia | DIdn't all that text get added because of various bug reports due to confusion? | 14:02 |
| ev | michaelforrest: as in for lucid? | 14:02 |
| ev | was that something we agreed on in the meeting and I've just forgotten? | 14:02 |
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| michaelforrest | ev: well - it seems you've done the inline validation which I wanted so that we didn't need so much supporting text | 14:18 |
| ev | okay | 14:18 |
| ev | a fair point | 14:18 |
| cjwatson | michaelforrest: we only have one version of the graphic, at 640x480 | 14:27 |
| cjwatson | and it's in lp:~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu, data/lucid/ubuntu.pcx | 14:28 |
| cjwatson | michaelforrest: can fix this sort of thing after UI freeze, I think | 14:28 |
| michaelforrest | cjwatson: ok | 14:28 |
| michaelforrest | thanks | 14:28 |
| cjwatson | not a new problem, I think - this must have been the case for the old graphic too | 14:29 |
| cjwatson | either we never noticed or never cared :) | 14:30 |
| cjwatson | michaelforrest: might be worth checking out the actual file there and making sure I didn't horribly screw it up | 14:30 |
| michaelforrest | yeah I'll have a look | 14:30 |
| cjwatson | direct link: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/download/head%3A/ubuntu.pcx-20091106105925-07zdym3tzmh3m7wc-31/ubuntu.pcx | 14:31 |
| michaelforrest | cjwatson: the image is fine - it must be getting distorted when it's rendered | 14:33 |
| michaelforrest | I think the icons along the bottom are suffering similarly | 14:34 |
| cjwatson | ok, that would be expected then given the current code | 14:34 |
| cjwatson | it's just displayed full-screen *shrug* | 14:34 |
| cjwatson | we'll have to either explicitly scale it or (perhaps more feasibly) have multiple versions of the image | 14:35 |
| michaelforrest | can we not just crop it? | 14:35 |
| michaelforrest | center it and crop it? | 14:35 |
| cjwatson | that wouldn't help | 14:35 |
| michaelforrest | or just have a smaller asset and place it ? | 14:35 |
| cjwatson | the entire screen is in 640x480 mode, so it's the monitor that's doing the scaling | 14:36 |
| michaelforrest | so it always has to be 640x480? | 14:36 |
| cjwatson | yup | 14:36 |
| michaelforrest | so we need to think of something clever. | 14:36 |
| cjwatson | well, there may be ways of using different modes | 14:36 |
| cjwatson | they're not used right now | 14:37 |
| cjwatson | we only get VESA modes though | 14:37 |
| * michaelforrest googles VESA modes | 14:37 | |
| persia | Many video displays do have support for crop¢er, but that's under BIOS control at the time the logo is shown (unless I misunderstand) | 14:37 |
| cjwatson | that's probably correct, yes | 14:37 |
| michaelforrest | so can I file this as a bug? | 14:41 |
| cjwatson | yes please | 14:42 |
| cjwatson | I don't immediately know how best to fix it, but it is certainly a bug | 14:42 |
| persia | Can we fix it directly, or is it something that can only be fixed on a per-hardware solution basis? | 14:42 |
| cjwatson | I can certainly think of sketches of ways to fix it | 14:42 |
| persia | probing the framebuffer sort of thing? | 14:43 |
| cjwatson | we can't do any particularly advanced probing; we can try to select better VESA modes under some circumstances; we can alternatively do image scaling tricks | 14:43 |
| persia | Hard to identify pixel shape, but that makes some sense. | 14:44 |
| michaelforrest | where do I need to put the bug? | 14:44 |
| cjwatson | michaelforrest: gfxboot-theme-ubuntu package in Ubuntu | 14:44 |
| michaelforrest | ok | 14:45 |
| cjwatson | that's the usual place for CD boot menu bugs; don't be misled by the "theme" bit, it does more than a GTK theme or whatever would do | 14:45 |
| persia | As a side note, there appear to be no VESA definitions for any of the common widescreen resolutions. | 14:46 |
| cjwatson | yup - almost certainly predates widespread widescreen monitors | 14:46 |
| persia | wikipedia notes "Beginning with the VBE 2.0 standard, no new modes will be added". | 14:47 |
| cjwatson | not much to be done about it though; after VESA, nearly everything becomes ridiculously card-specific and you end up reinventing X drivers in gfxboot | 14:47 |
| cjwatson | not my idea of a good time :) | 14:47 |
| persia | Well, the other alternative is to fiddle with kexec() :) | 14:48 |
| cjwatson | the documentation describes it as VESA, but it might actually be VBE | 14:48 |
| persia | But yeah, we're likely to have at least some apparent vertical squashing for widescreens for some hardware solutions for a while. | 14:48 |
| cjwatson | as soon as I can figure it out, I want to switch to grub2 for CD booting, since gfxmenu is a bit smarter and a bit more comprehensible | 14:49 |
| cjwatson | but no way for lucid | 14:49 |
| persia | Indeed. | 14:49 |
| michaelforrest | what do we call this screen? | 14:51 |
| ev | michaelforrest: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/without-password-help.png - okay, or do you really want all the help text removed? | 14:51 |
| michaelforrest | installer boot screen? | 14:51 |
| michaelforrest | I think that's better ev | 14:51 |
| ev | great | 14:51 |
| michaelforrest | what is in the password field before anything is typed? | 14:52 |
| michaelforrest | I think we should say 're-enter password' somewhere. maybe in the validation bit | 14:52 |
| ev | hm | 14:54 |
| * Omahn needs a notquiteso_early_command that runs after anna sources are setup :-) | 14:57 | |
| Omahn | ^^^^ I'm guessing this doesn't exist? | 14:58 |
| cjwatson | michaelforrest: CD boot menu | 14:59 |
| ev | michaelforrest: re-enter password> you mean kind of like the string we just removed? ;) | 15:04 |
| michaelforrest | well not really | 15:04 |
| michaelforrest | that seemed more like an introduction to the concept of passwords | 15:04 |
| michaelforrest | but we should label the fields | 15:04 |
| michaelforrest | (ideally internally - so "re-enter password' would be in light grey in the field until it receives focus) | 15:05 |
| ev | michaelforrest: bah, wouldn't iPhone UI elements be fairly inconsistent with the rest of the desktop? | 15:07 |
| ev | sorry about being so pessimistic, but I cannot think of a good solution to this problem other than "Password:" and "Password again:" | 15:14 |
| persia | "Password:" and "Verify Password:"? | 15:15 |
| persia | (makes clear to the user *why* they need to type it twice) | 15:15 |
| ev | yeah, the difficulty with that kind of layout is the rest of the page uses sentences to label each field. I think it would be pretty ugly to put labels to the left for just the password entries. But I'm not wedded to the idea; if you guys disagree, I'll do it. | 15:18 |
| * persia has no firm opinion: just doesn't like "Password again:" | 15:19 | |
| michaelforrest | ev: internal labels are pretty common on the web | 15:21 |
| michaelforrest | it would say 'confirm password' | 15:21 |
| michaelforrest | we could put it in the title even | 15:21 |
| michaelforrest | but I don't think it's a big deal | 15:21 |
| michaelforrest | ev: I will do a mockup of what I'd like and you can tell me if it's gonna be too much trouble | 15:25 |
| ev | title? Do you mean changing the "Choose a password to keep your account safe." text to something like "Choose a password and type it again to confirm."? | 15:25 |
| ev | michaelforrest: okay, cool | 15:25 |
| ev | thanks a bunch! | 15:25 |
| michaelforrest | ev: http://assets.grimaceworks.com/without-password-help.png | 15:35 |
| michaelforrest | having discussed with otto and john | 15:36 |
| michaelforrest | we think the fields should be labelled like this if it can be done. | 15:36 |
| ev | should be, I'll look into it in a few minutes (just seeing how hard some of the partitioner changes are first) | 15:38 |
| shtylman | ev: how does the greeter functionality work? is the install ubuntu option no longer in the boot menu? | 16:06 |
| shtylman | or has it not been enabled yet? | 16:06 |
| ev | if a key isn't pressed isolinux will boot the live CD with the maybe-ubiquity option | 16:07 |
| shtylman | I see | 16:07 |
| shtylman | and what if a key is pressed? | 16:07 |
| ev | ubiquity-dm sees this and runs ubiquity with the -g flag | 16:07 |
| shtylman | k | 16:08 |
| ev | if a key is pressed you get the isolinux menu | 16:08 |
| ev | if the -g flag is passed to ubiquity, it sets the UBIQUITY_GREETER environmental variable | 16:08 |
| ev | ubi-language does the rest | 16:09 |
| shtylman | yea... that part I got | 16:09 |
| shtylman | im just trying to troubleshoot with Riddell | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | none of it's turned on for Kubuntu yet | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | it's enabled at a per-image level | 16:10 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: ahhh | 16:10 |
| shtylman | that explains it | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | you guys need to send graphics of how the pre-boot-menu screen should work if you want it | 16:11 |
| cjwatson | s/work/look/ | 16:11 |
| shtylman | ? | 16:11 |
| shtylman | pre-boot-menu ? ... im all sorts of confused :) | 16:11 |
| ev | the keyboard equals man screen ;) | 16:12 |
| shtylman | the keyboard? not the language? | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | boot an Ubuntu image and have a look | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | it will be easier than trying to explain it | 16:13 |
| shtylman | haha ok | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | the very first screen you get | 16:13 |
| shtylman | lemme go fetch one :) | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | shtylman: is bug 532533 fixed in current ubiquity as uploaded? | 16:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 532533 in ubiquity "Kubuntu ubiquity crashed after selecting the language" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532533 | 16:13 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: yes | 16:13 |
| shtylman | assuming it was uploaded after ev merged my branch? | 16:13 |
| ev | http://lh4.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/S5eHHDoQ0xI/AAAAAAAAGgQ/HRyChBc6xcc/s1600-h/livecd1[4].png | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | shtylman: if you could make sure to put LP: #nnnnnn notes in debian/changelog (look at the current changelog for examples), bugs will get closed automatically | 16:13 |
| ev | that thing | 16:13 |
| shtylman | so maybe I should say... "maybe" | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | shtylman: are there any other bug numbers fixed by that branch? | 16:14 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: nope | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | ok | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | I've closed that bug | 16:15 |
| shtylman | I will look into this pre-boot-menu screen thing... cause we don't have a logo yet... :( | 16:15 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: can we use the ubuntu one for now? | 16:17 |
| shtylman | until our logo situation is resolved? | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | wouldn't it be better to just stay as-is until the logo situation is resolved? | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | I don't want to be in a halfway-house state, in case we end up releasing that way | 16:19 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: sure... thats fine... so long as we can resolve it :) I will just make sure to follow up with this stuff | 16:20 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: once we do have the logo... what should I do? can I just make that screen? or what... basically ... where do those screens come from? | 16:21 |
| shtylman | as far as I know it just appeared :) | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | just send me a 640x480 graphics file, with the image elements in essentially the same parts of the screen as the Ubuntu ones, and I will take care of it | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/download/head%3A/ubuntu.pcx-20091106105925-07zdym3tzmh3m7wc-31/ubuntu.pcx | 16:22 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: cool ... thanks .. I think I can do that :) | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | oh and there's an access.pcx somewhere in there too | 16:22 |
| shtylman | k | 16:23 |
| shtylman | and this also holds true for the boot screen? i.e. the think shown while booting? | 16:23 |
| ev | no, that's a plymouth plugin. | 16:26 |
| shtylman | is that the car? | 16:27 |
| ev | hahaha | 16:27 |
| ev | apt-get source plymouth; cd plymouth*/themes/ubuntu-logo | 16:28 |
| shtylman | cool... ok... so I can just add a kubuntu-logo ... or something along those lines | 16:28 |
| ev | something like that | 16:29 |
| ev | alberto might be able to help you with that one | 16:29 |
| ev | I haven't touched plymouth | 16:29 |
| shtylman | k | 16:29 |
| ev | tseliot, that is | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | ev: care to upload user-setup, to hoover up a milestoned bug? | 18:52 |
| ev | sure thing | 18:54 |
| CIA-3 | user-setup: evand * r217 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.28ubuntu5 | 19:01 |
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