=== robbiew is now known as robbiew_ === _ruben_ is now known as _ruben [13:23] I've been hoping to do some Ubuntu desktop installs to existing Windows machines using a preseeded install. Problem is that I need to shrink the NTFS partition and AFAIK, I need to do this in early_command, pulling in the ntfsresize binary and parted. I've tried this: d-i preseed/early_command string anna-install parted-udeb [13:24] Unfortunately it just queues the install and so my resize/partition commands that follow fail. [13:24] Is it possible to use anna-install at this point in the install or should I wget the udebs and install them that way? [13:30] cjwatson: thanks for the push :) [13:40] cjwatson: thanks for the getting the new branding on the install startup [13:41] cjwatson: I am wondering why it seems to be squashed vertically on my screen though [13:45] michaelforrest: What's your resolution and physical screen dimensions? [13:46] I guess the resolution is different during boot [13:46] Can be, depending on drivers and hardware configurations. [13:46] (hang on - just checking - I wasn't logged on) [13:47] 1366x768 [13:47] 13" [13:48] And the dimensions of the source graphic? [13:48] I'm kinda guessing, but I suspect that you are displaying a resampled 1024x768 graphic on that screen at boot time. [13:49] (which would appear as horizontal stretching or vertical squashing) [13:50] I'm trying it on a 1280x800 (i.e. squarer) 12" display and the ubuntu logo is still squashed vertically [13:50] Do you have access to a 4:3 screen? [13:51] yeah that's 4:3 I think [13:52] (well - it is 4:3 - the pixel measurements are from memory so might not be right) [13:52] 1064x800 is 4:3. [13:52] Lots of modern hardware have non-square pixels. Same reason why people complain stuff is squashed in HD television. [13:53] ok - it seems pretty extreme to me [13:53] do you know where I can find the logo file? [13:53] I could be completely wrong, but I suspect that if it looks good on a 4:3, there's some extra stuff that needs to happen for widescreens. [13:53] yeah it looks wrong on 4:3 too [13:53] so I think it might be the asset [13:53] I think you're right. [13:58] michaelforrest: I'm sorry. I'm not finding the asset in a quick search of the few places I thought it might be. I think you'll need someone more knowledgeable to help track it down. [13:58] yeah I'm not having any better luck [13:58] we need cjwatson! [14:00] michaelforrest: does this look okay to you (strength meter): http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/good.png [14:01] yeah that's fine [14:01] can you get rid of all the supporting text under these fields now? [14:02] DIdn't all that text get added because of various bug reports due to confusion? [14:02] michaelforrest: as in for lucid? [14:02] was that something we agreed on in the meeting and I've just forgotten? === kirkland` is now known as kirkland [14:18] ev: well - it seems you've done the inline validation which I wanted so that we didn't need so much supporting text [14:18] okay [14:18] a fair point [14:27] michaelforrest: we only have one version of the graphic, at 640x480 [14:28] and it's in lp:~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu, data/lucid/ubuntu.pcx [14:28] michaelforrest: can fix this sort of thing after UI freeze, I think [14:28] cjwatson: ok [14:28] thanks [14:29] not a new problem, I think - this must have been the case for the old graphic too [14:30] either we never noticed or never cared :) [14:30] michaelforrest: might be worth checking out the actual file there and making sure I didn't horribly screw it up [14:30] yeah I'll have a look [14:31] direct link: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/download/head%3A/ubuntu.pcx-20091106105925-07zdym3tzmh3m7wc-31/ubuntu.pcx [14:33] cjwatson: the image is fine - it must be getting distorted when it's rendered [14:34] I think the icons along the bottom are suffering similarly [14:34] ok, that would be expected then given the current code [14:34] it's just displayed full-screen *shrug* [14:35] we'll have to either explicitly scale it or (perhaps more feasibly) have multiple versions of the image [14:35] can we not just crop it? [14:35] center it and crop it? [14:35] that wouldn't help [14:35] or just have a smaller asset and place it ? [14:36] the entire screen is in 640x480 mode, so it's the monitor that's doing the scaling [14:36] so it always has to be 640x480? [14:36] yup [14:36] so we need to think of something clever. [14:36] well, there may be ways of using different modes [14:37] they're not used right now [14:37] we only get VESA modes though [14:37] * michaelforrest googles VESA modes [14:37] Many video displays do have support for crop¢er, but that's under BIOS control at the time the logo is shown (unless I misunderstand) [14:37] that's probably correct, yes [14:41] so can I file this as a bug? [14:42] yes please [14:42] I don't immediately know how best to fix it, but it is certainly a bug [14:42] Can we fix it directly, or is it something that can only be fixed on a per-hardware solution basis? [14:42] I can certainly think of sketches of ways to fix it [14:43] probing the framebuffer sort of thing? [14:43] we can't do any particularly advanced probing; we can try to select better VESA modes under some circumstances; we can alternatively do image scaling tricks [14:44] Hard to identify pixel shape, but that makes some sense. [14:44] where do I need to put the bug? [14:44] michaelforrest: gfxboot-theme-ubuntu package in Ubuntu [14:45] ok [14:45] that's the usual place for CD boot menu bugs; don't be misled by the "theme" bit, it does more than a GTK theme or whatever would do [14:46] As a side note, there appear to be no VESA definitions for any of the common widescreen resolutions. [14:46] yup - almost certainly predates widespread widescreen monitors [14:47] wikipedia notes "Beginning with the VBE 2.0 standard, no new modes will be added". [14:47] not much to be done about it though; after VESA, nearly everything becomes ridiculously card-specific and you end up reinventing X drivers in gfxboot [14:47] not my idea of a good time :) [14:48] Well, the other alternative is to fiddle with kexec() :) [14:48] the documentation describes it as VESA, but it might actually be VBE [14:48] But yeah, we're likely to have at least some apparent vertical squashing for widescreens for some hardware solutions for a while. [14:49] as soon as I can figure it out, I want to switch to grub2 for CD booting, since gfxmenu is a bit smarter and a bit more comprehensible [14:49] but no way for lucid [14:49] Indeed. [14:51] what do we call this screen? [14:51] michaelforrest: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/without-password-help.png - okay, or do you really want all the help text removed? [14:51] installer boot screen? [14:51] I think that's better ev [14:51] great [14:52] what is in the password field before anything is typed? [14:52] I think we should say 're-enter password' somewhere. maybe in the validation bit [14:54] hm [14:57] * Omahn needs a notquiteso_early_command that runs after anna sources are setup :-) [14:58] ^^^^ I'm guessing this doesn't exist? [14:59] michaelforrest: CD boot menu [15:04] michaelforrest: re-enter password> you mean kind of like the string we just removed? ;) [15:04] well not really [15:04] that seemed more like an introduction to the concept of passwords [15:04] but we should label the fields [15:05] (ideally internally - so "re-enter password' would be in light grey in the field until it receives focus) [15:07] michaelforrest: bah, wouldn't iPhone UI elements be fairly inconsistent with the rest of the desktop? [15:14] sorry about being so pessimistic, but I cannot think of a good solution to this problem other than "Password:" and "Password again:" [15:15] "Password:" and "Verify Password:"? [15:15] (makes clear to the user *why* they need to type it twice) [15:18] yeah, the difficulty with that kind of layout is the rest of the page uses sentences to label each field. I think it would be pretty ugly to put labels to the left for just the password entries. But I'm not wedded to the idea; if you guys disagree, I'll do it. [15:19] * persia has no firm opinion: just doesn't like "Password again:" [15:21] ev: internal labels are pretty common on the web [15:21] it would say 'confirm password' [15:21] we could put it in the title even [15:21] but I don't think it's a big deal [15:25] ev: I will do a mockup of what I'd like and you can tell me if it's gonna be too much trouble [15:25] title? Do you mean changing the "Choose a password to keep your account safe." text to something like "Choose a password and type it again to confirm."? [15:25] michaelforrest: okay, cool [15:25] thanks a bunch! [15:35] ev: http://assets.grimaceworks.com/without-password-help.png [15:36] having discussed with otto and john [15:36] we think the fields should be labelled like this if it can be done. [15:38] should be, I'll look into it in a few minutes (just seeing how hard some of the partitioner changes are first) [16:06] ev: how does the greeter functionality work? is the install ubuntu option no longer in the boot menu? [16:06] or has it not been enabled yet? [16:07] if a key isn't pressed isolinux will boot the live CD with the maybe-ubiquity option [16:07] I see [16:07] and what if a key is pressed? [16:07] ubiquity-dm sees this and runs ubiquity with the -g flag [16:08] k [16:08] if a key is pressed you get the isolinux menu [16:08] if the -g flag is passed to ubiquity, it sets the UBIQUITY_GREETER environmental variable [16:09] ubi-language does the rest [16:09] yea... that part I got [16:10] im just trying to troubleshoot with Riddell [16:10] none of it's turned on for Kubuntu yet [16:10] it's enabled at a per-image level [16:10] cjwatson: ahhh [16:10] that explains it [16:11] you guys need to send graphics of how the pre-boot-menu screen should work if you want it [16:11] s/work/look/ [16:11] ? [16:11] pre-boot-menu ? ... im all sorts of confused :) [16:12] the keyboard equals man screen ;) [16:12] the keyboard? not the language? [16:13] boot an Ubuntu image and have a look [16:13] it will be easier than trying to explain it [16:13] haha ok [16:13] the very first screen you get [16:13] lemme go fetch one :) [16:13] shtylman: is bug 532533 fixed in current ubiquity as uploaded? [16:13] Launchpad bug 532533 in ubiquity "Kubuntu ubiquity crashed after selecting the language" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532533 [16:13] cjwatson: yes [16:13] assuming it was uploaded after ev merged my branch? [16:13] http://lh4.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/S5eHHDoQ0xI/AAAAAAAAGgQ/HRyChBc6xcc/s1600-h/livecd1[4].png [16:13] shtylman: if you could make sure to put LP: #nnnnnn notes in debian/changelog (look at the current changelog for examples), bugs will get closed automatically [16:13] that thing [16:14] so maybe I should say... "maybe" [16:14] shtylman: are there any other bug numbers fixed by that branch? [16:14] cjwatson: nope [16:14] ok [16:15] I've closed that bug [16:15] I will look into this pre-boot-menu screen thing... cause we don't have a logo yet... :( [16:17] cjwatson: can we use the ubuntu one for now? [16:18] until our logo situation is resolved? [16:19] wouldn't it be better to just stay as-is until the logo situation is resolved? [16:19] I don't want to be in a halfway-house state, in case we end up releasing that way [16:20] cjwatson: sure... thats fine... so long as we can resolve it :) I will just make sure to follow up with this stuff [16:21] cjwatson: once we do have the logo... what should I do? can I just make that screen? or what... basically ... where do those screens come from? [16:21] as far as I know it just appeared :) [16:22] just send me a 640x480 graphics file, with the image elements in essentially the same parts of the screen as the Ubuntu ones, and I will take care of it [16:22] see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/download/head%3A/ubuntu.pcx-20091106105925-07zdym3tzmh3m7wc-31/ubuntu.pcx [16:22] cjwatson: cool ... thanks .. I think I can do that :) [16:22] oh and there's an access.pcx somewhere in there too [16:23] k [16:23] and this also holds true for the boot screen? i.e. the think shown while booting? [16:26] no, that's a plymouth plugin. [16:27] is that the car? [16:27] hahaha [16:28] apt-get source plymouth; cd plymouth*/themes/ubuntu-logo [16:28] cool... ok... so I can just add a kubuntu-logo ... or something along those lines [16:29] something like that [16:29] alberto might be able to help you with that one [16:29] I haven't touched plymouth [16:29] k [16:29] tseliot, that is [18:52] ev: care to upload user-setup, to hoover up a milestoned bug? [18:54] sure thing [19:01] user-setup: evand * r217 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.28ubuntu5