=== robbiew is now known as robbiew_ === elky` is now known as elky === jimmah is now known as pak33m === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === duanedes1gn is now known as duanedesign === doko__ is now known as doko [13:54] gday [13:55] (o [13:55] yo [13:59] o/ [14:01] /o [14:03] is ttx running the meeting? [14:04] ~o~ [14:06] hm [14:06] sorry for being late [14:06] busy triaging sdamba bugs for our marvelous Bugzapping bugday [14:06] #startmeeting [14:06] Meeting started at 08:06. The chair is ttx. [14:06] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:07] * jjohansen fades in [14:07] Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [14:07] jib is on a plane somewhere, so I'll chair. zul is our scribe today [14:07] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [14:07] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [14:07] * mathiaz to sync up with cjwatson re: ubuntu-server upload team [14:08] ttx: not done [14:08] [ACTION] mathiaz to sync up with cjwatson re: ubuntu-server upload team [14:08] ACTION received: mathiaz to sync up with cjwatson re: ubuntu-server upload team [14:08] [TOPIC] Beta1 status review [14:08] New Topic: Beta1 status review [14:09] Beta1Freeze is tomorrow... Only beta1-targeted bugs will be accepted, which doesn't prevent you from queueing less important bugs [14:09] That should affect several specs [14:10] eucalyptus-merging-and-packaging: we might want to target extra bugfixes (currently only the upgrade stuff is targeted) [14:10] ttx: i have a qemu-kvm upload coming [14:10] kirkland`: we'll review the list before I leave for vacation [14:10] ttx: okay [14:11] apt-mirror/ec2: this should be delivbered without image changes, by reusing the current DNS setup === kirkland` is now known as kirkland [14:11] papercuts, bugzapping, puppet-testsuite: fixes of lesser importance should be queued for post beta1freeze [14:11] Beta1-targeted bugs : [14:12] bug 499389 [14:12] Launchpad bug 499389 in bacula "karmic->lucid auto-ugprade test failure" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/499389 [14:12] zul: you're on it ? [14:12] worked on that last night im just want to talk to mvo about it [14:12] ok. [14:12] bug 526480 -- still pending MIR team review [14:12] Launchpad bug 526480 in liblog-log4perl-perl "[MIR] liblog-log4perl-perl" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526480 [14:12] bug 519513 [14:12] Launchpad bug 519513 in eucalyptus "UEC upgrade from 9.10 karmic to Lucid fails" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519513 [14:13] kirkland: looking good ? [14:14] ttx: i think so [14:14] ttx: working on it today [14:14] ttx: should have something by EoW [14:14] kirkland: cool ! [14:15] Questions/comments on Beta1 ? [14:15] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [14:15] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [14:16] hggdh: hi ! [14:16] hggdh: around ? [14:16] kirkland: are you done with the UEC testing with the DC hardware? [14:17] ok, let's do kernel forst [14:17] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [14:17] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [14:17] jjohansen: hi ! [14:17] hi [14:17] so we still have Bug #527208 outstanding [14:17] whats'up in the lower rings ? [14:17] Launchpad bug 527208 in linux-ec2 "ec2 instance fails boot, no console output on c1.xlarge" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527208 [14:18] it won't make beta1 as the kernel closed monday [14:18] ttx, I am here -- looking at logs [14:18] hggdh: we'll come back to you in a few [14:18] we also have https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/531823 [14:18] Launchpad bug 531823 in linux "[lucid] All linux guests oops in kvm_leave_lazy_mmu during boot (9.04, 9.10, 10.04)" [High,In progress] [14:19] will we have a workaround for this one soon, or after beta 1 ? [14:19] for the Lucid or Karmic bug? [14:20] jjohansen: lucid ? [14:20] Soon I hope [14:20] but with kernel frozen that will be post-beta 1 ? [14:21] correct [14:21] jjohansen: ok, maybe comment and update milestone to reflect that [14:21] anything else for kernel ? [14:21] yes [14:22] back to... [14:22] we had a late conflict ridden rebase for the EC2 kernel, so keep your eyes out for new bugs [14:22] jjohansen: IIUC the vlan-modules udeb should be available in beta1? [14:22] mathiaz: yeah [14:22] jjohansen: great - thanks [14:23] smoser: ^ ec2 kernel rebase [14:23] i see. [14:23] ok, back to... [14:23] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [14:23] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [14:23] hggdh: hi :) [14:23] hi [14:23] what's up ? [14:24] we have now atlas failing on the regression PPA. I do not understand the error:http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/392548/ [14:24] ans MySQL is still failing [14:24] I have a question: is coreutils server, or core? [14:25] hggdh: why is atlas regression tested? [14:25] probably foundations land, mathiaz could confirm [14:25] what is atlas btw? [14:25] hggdh: coreutils is fondation IMO [14:25] mathiaz: I do not know why atlas, it was already there [14:26] hggdh: ask soren about it when you get a chance [14:26] hggdh: well - it's in universe and I'm not sure it's server related [14:26] zul: atlas - Automatically Tuned Linear Algebra Software [14:26] zul/mathiaz: mysql is still blocking on the certificate ? [14:27] who can fix that ? [14:27] ttx: I'd have to look at the logs [14:27] even more it states it is related to numerical software... [14:27] will ask Soren [14:27] ttx: i have a fix but its failing somewhere else now [14:27] hggdh: IIUC it's 5.0 that fails [14:27] zul: you're on it ? [14:28] mathiaz: mysql-dfsg-5.0 5.1.30really5.0.83-0ubuntu3 [14:28] ttx: yeah ill take some time to look at it agian [14:28] hggdh: 5.0 is scheduled to be removed from the archive in lucid [14:28] mathiaz: you mean we shouldn't care ? [14:28] hggdh: so there is not point in regression testing 5.0 in lucid [14:29] looks like the contents of the regression rig needs to be updated [14:29] sounds like it [14:29] suggestions welcome [14:29] [ACTION] hggdh to remove mysql5.0 and question atlas in the build regression test rig [14:29] ACTION received: hggdh to remove mysql5.0 and question atlas in the build regression test rig [14:29] hggdh: is there a list of packages being published? [14:29] hggdh: and is there a summary of the build failure (and since when)? [14:30] mathiaz: yet unknown for first Q, yes, for second. At least I receive emails on the failures [14:30] hggdh: IMO there isn't much visibility on what is done in the regression testing PPA [14:31] hggdh: try to see inside the QA team how you want to handle that, not sure sharing soren's rig is the best way going forward [14:31] I will look at it now. So far I just left it running (and did not worry) [14:31] hggdh: I don't know what's is tested and get notified only when there are build failures [14:31] hggdh: right - at least there is something in place [14:31] hggdh: did you start looking into the UEC test rig ? [14:31] so we need to revisit it [14:32] hggdh: and it's been useful so far IMO [14:32] hggdh: the process may need to be reviewed at next UDS [14:32] ttx: no really. kirkland gave me some links to look at, but suggested to wait for the current tests to end [14:32] hggdh: ok [14:32] anything else for the QA team ? [14:33] hggdh: right - once kirkland is done, I'll give you an overview of the beast [14:33] not right now [14:33] mathiaz: hggdh: i'm done now! [14:33] mathiaz: it's all yours [14:33] [TOPIC] Euca2ools/Boto 1.9 test coverage [14:33] New Topic: Euca2ools/Boto 1.9 test coverage [14:33] hggdh: ^^ - ok we should sync up later after the meeting then [14:34] mathiaz: roj [14:34] Background: we run our euca2ools with boto 1.9 while upstream tests with boto 1.8 [14:34] We also tend to run always the same basic set of commands (I know I do) [14:35] so in order to get confidence that lesser-used commands are working, I prepared a test coverage page [14:35] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Boto19TestCoverage [14:35] When you use a euca2ools command succesfully, please update that page. [14:35] For the mre complex commands, the idea is to test the optional parameters as well, which will take more time [14:36] I know smoser has been running quite a few of those already, we just need to make sure we cover them all. [14:36] questions ? [14:37] (this will probably be a beta2 target) [14:37] and, please, when you find something broken, open a bug === robbiew_ is now known as robbiew [14:37] and copy me, its probably easily fixed, but not if we dont' know about it. [14:37] bonus points if you can check if the bug also exists with boto 1.8 [14:37] smoser: any way to easily test with boto 1.8 ? [14:38] which is, actually easy to do. i will post instructions on how. [14:38] smoser: ok, just update the wikipage [14:38] yes [14:38] [TOPIC] Server Papercuts [14:38] New Topic: Server Papercuts [14:38] Status for beta-1 : https://launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+milestone/lucid-beta-1 [14:38] 4 bugs still open from a total of 14 [14:39] Please feel free to fix what you can, especially before Beta1Freeze [14:39] No nominations this week, which is quite disappointing [14:40] maybe some more blogging needs to be done about it [14:40] i can't beleieve we identified all the pain points [14:40] We only have 5 targets for beta2, so 9 more should be identified [14:41] Comments ? [14:41] maybe blog about it a bit more [14:42] [ACTION] ttx to blog about the beta-1 campaign so far, to trigger new candidates [14:42] ACTION received: ttx to blog about the beta-1 campaign so far, to trigger new candidates [14:42] [TOPIC] Bugzapping status (kirkland) [14:42] New Topic: Bugzapping status (kirkland) [14:42] kirkland: quick status ? Samba started today. [14:42] ttx: aha - that explains the sudden increase in samba related bug mail [14:43] ttx: i think it went well so far [14:43] mathiaz: its not just me ;) [14:43] ttx: qemu-kvm's bugs cut in half [14:43] kirkland: is there anything planned for next week already ? [14:43] ttx: and i'm a lot more confident in our qemu-kvm offering now [14:43] ttx: not planned, no ... i could lead a libvirt one, i suppose [14:43] ttx: but i'd be happy to see someone else lead one too [14:43] s/too/instead/g [14:44] For those interested, we are running a two-day samba bugzapping effort... Today is bugtriage day, in #ubuntu-bugs with the QA team [14:44] (combined with a bugday, which proves very fruitful) [14:44] At the end of today we should have bugfixing targets for tomorrow. [14:44] ttx: week after next is eucalyptus/euca2ools [14:45] We'll coordinate bugfixing tomorrow in #ubuntu-server [14:45] and there is a mysql one scheduled as well [14:45] mathiaz: when is it ? [14:45] ttx: week of April 1st [14:45] ttx: just before Beta2 freeze [14:45] sounds like a bad joke. [14:46] anything else on the bugzapping subject ? [14:46] ttx: :) it's gonna be the last days of March [14:46] not from me [14:46] [TOPIC] Server documentation status (ttx, sommer) [14:46] New Topic: Server documentation status (ttx, sommer) [14:46] well, thanks to all who have participated [14:46] ttx: nothing on the 1st of April (it's BetaFreeze2 actually) [14:46] I wanted to get a current status on the server documentation [14:46] sommer: around ? [14:47] I identified a few outdated things in the current guide [14:47] was wondering if help was needed to fix it [14:47] example: it talks about screen-profiles, likewise-open5 [14:47] requirements look like they need a refresh [14:47] UEC is absent [14:48] See http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ [14:49] OK, I'll sync with sommer by email on the subject -- feel free to chime in with the outdated stuff you find [14:49] ttx: i'll gladly update the screen-profiles -> byobu bits [14:49] [ACTIOn] ttx to bring up status of server doc in an email thread [14:49] ACTION received: ttx to bring up status of server doc in an email thread [14:50] [TOPIC] Server team upload rights (Daviey, mathiaz) [14:50] New Topic: Server team upload rights (Daviey, mathiaz) [14:50] mathiaz: delayed to next week ? [14:50] ttx: yes [14:50] [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) [14:50] New Topic: Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) [14:50] so I cleaned up the nominations lists [14:51] there are two nominations for karmic: [14:51] bug 530945 [14:51] Launchpad bug 530945 in keepalived "[SRU] keepalived in karmic" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530945 [14:51] bug 34181 [14:51] Launchpad bug 34181 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "locale and charset problem in mysql - default character set should be set to utf8" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34181 [14:52] I'm going to decline the latter [14:52] yes [14:52] I'd tend to accept the nomination for the first one [14:52] Andres knows what he is doing :) [14:53] He will probably push the SRU through [14:53] ok - karmic bugs processed [14:53] we might want 182572 in hardy [14:53] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:53] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:53] anything worth ^^ in there [14:54] bug 182572 [14:54] Launchpad bug 182572 in server-papercuts "Samba Fails to Split GECOS on Comma" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182572 [14:54] kirkland: anything SRU worthy that came out of the qemu bug zap? [14:54] zul: it's ostly cosmetic [14:54] mathiaz: i don't think so [14:55] nothing from me [14:55] allright then [14:55] that's all for the SRU review [14:55] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [14:55] New Topic: Open Discussion [14:56] php 5.3.1 is mostly done [14:56] this is the current list of packages being regression-tested (from Soren): [14:56] debian has 5.3.2 which fixes a couple of issues with things like mediawiki [14:56] zul: 5.3.2 bug fix only release didn't seem like a good idea? [14:56] bah, too slow [14:57] Daviey: im thniking of it for beta2 [14:57] smoser: help needed testing EBS root ? [14:57] anyone who wants to start an EBS root volume and kick it a bit is my friend [14:57] and will be awarded a or other beverage if they tell me their experiences [14:57] as in kick it when its down? ;) [14:58] smoser: is the information on which EBS volume to test available somewhere? [14:58] packages = libvirt postgresql 8.3 and 8.4, mysql 5.0, openldap, php5, python2.6, and atlas [14:58] mathiaz, just in my email to the list at the moment. [14:58] to multiple lists [14:58] hold on, let me dig url [14:58] and I'd also like to congratulate the whole team for the New,Undecided daily bug triagging [14:58] the whole backlog has been processed last week [14:59] http://groups.google.com/group/ec2ubuntu/browse_thread/thread/a7fdc6f714f71085/5efd475e9e536a9f?lnk=gst&q=ebs+root#5efd475e9e536a9f [14:59] LINK received: http://groups.google.com/group/ec2ubuntu/browse_thread/thread/a7fdc6f714f71085/5efd475e9e536a9f?lnk=gst&q=ebs+root#5efd475e9e536a9f [14:59] so congrats to all! [14:59] * ttx highfives with all the team [14:59] now we should just stay on cruise control [14:59] so make sure to review the list on your assigned day [14:59] ok [14:59] \o/ [15:00] [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time [15:00] New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time [15:00] Next week, same time, same place [15:00] #endmeeting [15:00] Meeting finished at 09:00. [16:00] heya [16:00] hi everybody. welcome to this week's foundations team meeting [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is barry. [16:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:00] hey! [16:00] hi [16:01] hello [16:01] * slangasek waves [16:01] it's my first time chairing, so let me know if i forget anything :) [16:01] the donuts [16:01] hi [16:01] fatty [16:01] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0310 [16:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0310 [16:01] (says the guy who just pounded his fists into the sofa screaming "I was just going to say that!") [16:01] Keybuk: didn't you get the bagels i sent? [16:02] barry: ev must have eaten them all before I got here [16:02] * barry can't do anything about that [16:02] yeah, proper bagels wouldn't stand a chance [16:02] anyway [16:02] lessee, james_w, doko, slangasek are you here? [16:02] hi [16:02] oops, sorry slangasek [16:03] * cjwatson sneaks his activity report in under the wire [16:03] yes, you may have overlooked me amid all the lust for fried pastries :) [16:03] i think mvo sends his virtual apology [16:03] :) [16:03] I thought we'd tempted you into going to voodoo donuts [16:03] Keybuk: I went to voodoo donuts - I didn't eat any of them :) [16:04] [TOPIC] lightning round [16:04] New Topic: lightning round [16:04] >>> team = ['Keybuk', 'barry', 'cjwatson', 'ev', 'james_w', 'lool', 'mvo', 'slangasek', 'slangasek', 'tremolux'] [16:04] >>> import random [16:04] >>> order = team[:] [16:04] >>> random.shuffle(order) [16:04] >>> print ', '.join(order) [16:04] tremolux, Keybuk, ev, slangasek, mvo, cjwatson, slangasek, james_w, barry, lool [16:04] lol [16:04] [16:04] heh [16:04] I've been working on OEM tasks from last Thu through yesterday. [16:04] Now back to my Software Center todo list, bug fixing and triage, etc. [16:04] (done) [16:05] I rewrote the Plymouth VT handling code, [16:05] then I rewrote the Plymouth X transition/handover code, [16:05] then I rewrote bits of various plugins to make them work, [16:05] then I fixed the binary to remove various race conditions, [16:05] NOW FETCH ME WIL WHEATON! [16:05] * barry realizes he has a bug and should have used a set :) [16:05] mostly ubiquity UI changes after a meeting the other day with the design team (sorry release team), looking into an apt-setup bug whereby if you have a USB disk that exposes a fake CD device, apt-setup fails. [16:06] (done) [16:06] barry: should slangasek report twice, and me not at all? ;p [16:06] doko: you can be me first! [16:06] doko: that's my bug. you can be slangasek II today [16:07] continuing work on casper plymouth support [16:07] FFes, we have them [16:07] working on the supportable-binaries spec [16:07] (done) [16:07] Was on travel to London; doing a lot of interviews and working on random ARM bugs. [16:07] vacation last week; now working on llvm updates, preparing icedtea6-1.8 release, python updates to new subminor releases [16:07] (done) [16:07] (done) [16:07] Uh /me is confused [16:08] (scrolled back to wrong line, sorry) [16:08] fixing bugs in bzr-builddeb, still need to get that synced from unstable, chasing failures, and working with LP developers on the build from branch feature. More of the same to come. [16:08] (done) [16:08] you're all very confused [16:08] hm, no mvo [16:08] * slangasek grins [16:08] done: parted 2.2; grub 1.98; failed to finish console-setup/plymouth interaction fixes but had a good go at it and should be able to finish in time [16:08] blocked: nothing [16:08] todo: partman-base fixes for advanced format drives (doing the hardware setup today); dpkg performance/correctness backports, nearly ready to go; running around like headless chicken fixing bugs for beta 1 [16:08] -- [16:09] Several branches merged for SC ratings and reviews. Still to decide whether [16:09] we're going to make it. Good discussion on canonical-tech about the url [16:09] structure for r&r server. Computer Janitor dbus refactoring mostly done, [16:09] waiting for review. Would love to get minor ui exception to clean the gui of [16:09] unused elements. Starting implementation work for PEP 3147 today. (done) [16:09] anybody we haven't heard from? :) [16:09] [TOPIC] Outstanding action items from last meeting [16:09] New Topic: Outstanding action items from last meeting [16:09] none that i'm aware of. am i missing anything? [16:10] [TOPIC] Milestoned bugs [16:10] New Topic: Milestoned bugs [16:10] [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21446 [16:10] LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21446 [16:11] not sure what to say about this, does anybody have anything on this topic? [16:11] yow, we're up since last week [16:12] new arm bugs in the mix [16:12] is there a view of the milestone list that shows assignees? [16:12] no :( [16:12] yeah, that kind of sucks [16:12] not in LP - there are some external reports, though I don't know that those are current either [16:12] (nor have the URLs to hand) [16:14] [TOPIC] Targeted bugs [16:14] New Topic: Targeted bugs [16:14] [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs [16:14] LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs [16:14] these also don't show assignees [16:15] any thoughts on these bugs? [16:15] if somebody could track down an appropriate report, that would be great [16:16] what I really want to know is which bugs aren't being dealt with [16:16] * slangasek nods [16:16] there's https://edgelaunchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-10.04-beta-1, although it's suboptimal in other ways [16:16] err [16:16] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-10.04-beta-1 [16:17] it includes all the milestoned bugs, not just the targeted ones, yes [16:17] and doesn't show the package. and shows fix-released bugs. [16:17] (and invalid and wontfix) [16:17] in fact in general it sucks, just differently [16:18] cjwatson: do you think the reports exist but we just aren't sure where, or that they don't exist (at all, or in a useful format)? [16:18] I'm fairly sure they don't exist in Launchpad; they have existed externally in the past but I'm not sure where or if they're up to date [16:18] was it Bryce who used to maintain one? [16:18] agreed about launchpad [16:20] cjwatson: if you let me know what it is you'd like to see (either in irc or via email) i can take a crack at a launchpadlib script to produce the report. dunno where i'd stick it right now, but i'd link it off the foundations wiki page [16:21] ok, action me? [16:21] cjwatson: yep, and then action me [16:21] [ACTION] cjwatson to spec out requirements for launchpadlib bug report script [16:21] ACTION received: cjwatson to spec out requirements for launchpadlib bug report script [16:21] [ACTION] barry to implement script [16:21] ACTION received: barry to implement script [16:22] sound okay? [16:23] yeah, I'd like this part of the meeting to be farming out tasks that aren't being handled, rather than everyone sitting madly opening tabs in firefox [16:24] that sounds like a much more productive use of our time. maybe combine milestoned and targeted bugs topics [16:25] cjwatson: we can take this offline. moving on... [16:25] [TOPIC] Sponsorship queue [16:25] New Topic: Sponsorship queue [16:25] [LINK] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ [16:25] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ [16:26] again, apologies. i'm not sure what i should say here [16:27] [TOPIC] Any business from activity reports [16:27] New Topic: Any business from activity reports [16:27] nothing from reports; does anybody have anything not on the agenda? [16:27] reminder: send me your reports if you haven't already :) [16:27] * slangasek nods [16:27] I was wondering if anyone had thoughts on bug 513197 [16:27]