[00:03] <Sput> apachelogger: reminder: turbobomber.quassel-irc.org if you notice the core isn't reachable :)
[00:03] <Sput> we're moving any day now
[00:04] <Sput> you might use some backlog during the transition phase
[00:04] <Sput> *lose
[00:04] <Sput> (an hour or so)
[00:33] <Riddell> amarok 2.3.0 for the packaging
[00:35] <maco2> hehe "for the packaging" = ftp
[01:28] <nixternal> oh man, I feel for the ubuntu-docs peeps...seems Ubuntu will be doing FFEs on UI stuff...
[01:28] <nixternal> we start doing stuff like that, I stop working on docs...remember that, put that in your bean, don't forget that, got it? good!
[01:28] <nixternal> ;p
[02:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Sounds good about the netbook stuff.  Thanks.
[02:25] <maco2> Riddell mentioned amarok 2.3 being ready to package. has anyone grabbed that ye?
[02:26] <maco2> *yet?
[06:29] <apachelogger> oh my oh my
[06:29]  * apachelogger is going to be late for math
[06:30] <apachelogger> Sput: on that I would like to note that I find the name rather awesome :D
[06:30] <Sput> :D
[06:32] <apachelogger> uhm uhm
[06:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: your most recent kds change also activated the cube effect
[07:28] <ghostcube> o\
[07:28] <ghostcube> o/
[10:51] <Riddell> http://community.kde.org/Promo/Distribution_Communication upstream wants us to use "Plasma Desktop" more
[10:51] <Riddell> nixternal, claydoh: might be important for docs and wiki pages ^^
[11:46] <_StefanS_> hello
[11:47] <_StefanS_> is alpha3 somewhat "stable" in terms of nvidia-driver and network-manager ?
[11:47] <_StefanS_> stable is a strong word i know ;)
[11:50] <Riddell> network manager is fine, dunno about nvidia
[11:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I suppose the binary download from nvidia itself will work
[11:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: which is fine for me..
[11:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: dist-upgrade from karmic should be fine, right?
[11:53] <Riddell> _StefanS_: please do a proper upload to test it
[11:53] <Riddell> update-notifier-kde -d
[11:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: alright
[11:56] <Riddell> s/upload/upgrade/
[11:56] <_StefanS_> Riddell: appears to be working so far
[11:56] <Riddell> let me know of any issues
[11:56] <_StefanS_> sure.
[11:57] <_StefanS_> Riddell: after disabling my thirdparty apt sources, the update on the main window stops, and harddrive working. Would be nice to see just some sort of text as to what is happening
[11:58] <_StefanS_> it appears as "lucid" is doing stuff
[12:00] <_StefanS_> ok, its done and asking me if I want to perform the upgrade
[12:00] <_StefanS_> so far so good.
[12:00] <_StefanS_> good thing with >20mbit when you need to get 2gb of packages..
[12:01] <_StefanS_> bbl.
[12:27] <Tonio_> sebas: just found a little issue with the knm plasmoid... when connected with a wire, it shows a disconnected icon
[12:27] <Tonio_> sebas: see http://toniox.org/temp/knm-plasmoid1.png
[12:27] <sebas> Tonio_: known artwork issue, it's actually the correct icon
[12:28] <sebas> only network-wired looks as if it's disconnected, not quite helpful
[12:28] <Tonio_> sebas: kk
[12:28] <sebas> Tonio_: btw, VPN support is now in, upstream
[12:29] <Tonio_> sebas: great
[12:30] <sebas> I'm a little confused by the thread on kubuntu-devel though
[12:30] <sebas> like wether people are incapable of understanding that for now, they have to load the module manually, or if there are real bugs where I wouldn't expect them to be
[12:31] <sebas> or if the UI is just confusing
[12:32] <sebas> It's not like I can reasonably expect that the people who have replied are dumb though, so //1 is less likely
[12:32] <sebas> We probably need a detailed "do this, then do that" test plan, more detailed than riddell's fipo
[12:42] <Sput> sebas: still showing the GSM icon when disconnected and a GSM device is present, plus while on startup it shows a disconnected emblem, that doesn't seem to be shown when disconnecting afterwards again
[12:43] <Sput> (it shows the GSM icon with a red X in the beginning, but not after going off again, and while connected, there's no emblem at all, just the plain icon)
[12:44] <sebas> Sput: screenshot please? I don't have mobile broadband, so cannot test or guess it very well
[12:44]  * sebas is afk for  bit now though
[12:46] <Sput> (oh and I still can't disconnect from wifi)
[12:46] <shadeslayer> Sput: lol
[12:46] <shadeslayer> Sput: most people cant connect to wifi :D
[12:46] <Sput> oh that all works quite fine here
[12:47] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:47] <Sput> sebas: can't show screenshots right now, because as long as I'm connected via wifi I get the wifi icon shown :)
[12:47] <Sput> and I can't disconnect
[12:47] <sebas> Sput: any time is fine
[12:47] <sebas> :)
[12:48] <sebas> I won't fix it right away anyway (but maybe tonight)
[12:49] <Sput> hm, disconnecting and reconnecting the wired connection makes the wired icon show up in the tray, rather than the wifi (which is still connected)
[13:26] <ebischoff> Hello people. Strange problem here with latest online update for lucid (from this morning). My KDE is all black. I can see only the mouse pointer.
[13:28] <ebischoff> Only thing I can see is kdm's login window, but over a black background. Xorg server is nv.
[13:33] <ebischoff> ok, in case you need tests and feedback : ebischoff at nerim dot net -- byyye
[13:34] <persia> Needs a real bug report, rather than an IRC comment and request for email, really.
[14:40] <agateau> Riddell: what packages are necessary to get Nepomuk running with virtuoso?
[14:46] <Riddell> agateau: nepomuk-virtuoso
[14:46] <Riddell> if you have used virtuoso 5 in the past then virtuosoconverter is nice too
[14:46] <agateau> Riddell: I have virtuoso-nepomuk here :/
[14:48] <Riddell> agateau: have you enabled virtuoso in system settings?
[14:48] <agateau> Riddell: I enabled nepomuk
[14:48] <agateau> is there some virtuoso specific stuff to do somewhere?
[14:50] <Riddell> agateau: no nepomuk should pick that up
[14:50] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[14:51] <Riddell> to test it you can run    qdbus org.kde.NepomukServer /nepomukserver org.kde.NepomukServer.quit
[14:51] <Riddell> then run nepomukserver on a command line
[14:51] <Riddell> and see what that outputs
[14:52] <agateau> mmm
[14:52] <agateau> got stuck in the qdbus call :/
[14:53] <Riddell> erm
[14:53] <Riddell> that's not good
[14:53] <agateau> ok, killed it
[14:53] <agateau> and restarted
[14:53] <Riddell> kill -9 the nepomuk processes
[14:53] <agateau> some interesting output...
[14:54] <agateau> http://pastebin.com/DrMs6hnr
[14:55] <agateau> looks like I am going to rm all my nepomuk data
[14:55] <sebas> agateau: you need to update your index with virtuosoconverter
[14:56] <sebas> virtuoso says the db format is too old
[14:56] <agateau> sebas: too late
[14:56] <sebas> rm'ing it would also work, but you lose data that way
[14:56] <agateau> db is no more
[14:56] <sebas> :)
[14:56] <agateau> :)
[14:57] <agateau> actually what I am trying to do is getting the nepomuk/strigi KStatusNotifierItem-based app to run,
[14:57] <agateau> because boss reported it has no icon when running on gnome
[14:58] <Riddell> that is KStatusNotifierItem based though so it should show on gnome
[14:59] <agateau> yes, I want to fix this if it's not the case
[14:59] <agateau> Riddell: but I need to get it tor run first!
[15:00] <davmor2> Riddell: kubuntu still has Ubuntu on plymouth.
[15:01] <agateau> Riddell: do you konw the name of this KSNI binary?
[15:01] <agateau> *know
[15:02] <Riddell> davmor2: Canonical designers still working on the new kubuntu logo
[15:02] <Riddell> davmor2: are you looking at the dailys?
[15:02] <davmor2> yeap
[15:02] <Riddell> agateau: no, I assume it's nepomukserver or something started by it
[15:03] <agateau> Riddell: ok :/
[15:03] <Riddell> davmor2: yesterday ubiquity was moaning about not being able to write config files when run in the live desktop mode
[15:03] <agateau> Riddell: strigidaemon also does not start here,
[15:03] <Riddell> davmor2: it also wasn't installing
[15:03] <agateau> Riddell: it tries to use sesame
[15:03] <Riddell> agateau: I think it's "/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub nepomukstrigiservice" which does the strigi stuff (if you turn that on)
[15:04] <Riddell> err, huh?
[15:04] <davmor2> Riddell: should the show hidden icons be half in, half out of the icon box in the task bar?
[15:04] <Riddell> davmor2: yes
[15:04] <davmor2> that's okay then
[15:04] <davmor2> Riddell: same today too
[15:04] <davmor2> :(
[15:05] <Riddell> davmor2: also the install step doesn't actually do anything except show the dialogue with slideshow
[15:06] <Riddell> agateau: kdebase-runtime-4.3.90/nepomuk/services/strigi/systray.cpp
[15:07] <agateau> Riddell: mmm... so it's started by a kded service
[15:07] <agateau> Riddell: I need to get strigi running then
[15:08] <Riddell> agateau: it's started by /usr/share/autostart/nepomukserver.desktop
[15:08] <Riddell> agateau: if you tick the tickbox in the system settings module for strigi it should start nepomukstrigiservice
[15:08] <Riddell> and that's what makes the systray icon
[15:08] <agateau> Riddell: I agree, but when I do that I get a message telling me strigi could not be started
[15:09]  * agateau is investigating
[15:12] <davmor2> Riddell: running sudo ubiquity see ifI can get around the config issues, seems to be working.
[15:28] <Riddell> davmor2: if I update ubiquity to today's version (the one on today's daily is two days old) it gets the new artwork and does start (after moaning about config files) but the install dialogue still doesn't do anything
[15:28] <Riddell> I know the config files thing will be down to cjwatson's permissions changes
[15:28] <Riddell> the install dialogue is probably down to shtylman's progressDialog changes
[15:29] <davmor2> this has failed anyway :(
[15:29] <Riddell> davmor2: what happened?
[15:32] <nixternal> Riddell: we are golden with using "Plasma Desktop". we started doing it as soon as the whole name change came about :)
[15:33] <davmor2> Riddell: attempt to configure extra packages in apt from cd failed
[15:33] <davmor2> I'm seeing if it will carry on
[15:35] <Riddell> davmor2: actually this install does seem to be doing something looking at the logs now, just the progressDialog is not showing it
[15:36] <shtylman> Riddell: :(
[15:37] <davmor2> shtylman: mine is an older version I just get the blue tab go left and right, I'm assuming Riddell is suffering the same thing but his is installing.
[15:38] <Riddell> yes, the progress bar isn't given any value so it just scrolls left and right
[15:38] <davmor2> Riddell, shtylman: mine has thrown up the installed restart now dialogue
[15:38] <davmor2> I'll see what happens
[15:45] <shtylman> Riddell davmor2: thats unfortunate... I will need to look into that
[15:45] <shtylman> did it actually install tho?
[15:45] <davmor2> it only installed :D
[15:46] <Riddell> final reboot still doesn't work either and drkonqi comes up saying Installer has crashed
[15:46] <Riddell> but that was the case in alpha 3
[15:46] <shtylman> :/
[15:48] <Riddell> otherwise the install is good
[15:49] <davmor2> I have a working install that has 84 updates
[15:49] <Riddell> shtylman: so it's just a case of working out why progressDialog doesn't get the text and values it needs
[15:50] <shtylman> yea
[15:51] <shtylman> that is rather unfortunate... kinda a big oversight on my part
[15:51] <Riddell> davmor2: do you know if the Ubuntu Desktop daily is in a sensible state?
[15:54] <davmor2> Riddell: http://pairwise.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/3732
[15:54] <davmor2> it has the apt issue too
[15:58] <Riddell> davmor2: i didn't see any apt issue
[15:58] <Riddell> maybe that went away by updating to today's ubiquity?
[15:59] <davmor2> bug 535629
[15:59] <davmor2> is the one in ubuntu's
[16:45] <Quintasan> \o
[16:46] <Trouble> What's up with kubuntu-firefox-installer in backports (10.04ubuntu3~karmic1~ppa1+really9.10)? It's broken.
[16:49] <shtylman> is beta1 supposed to hit today?
[16:50] <persia> Freeze hits today.  Beta is in a bit.
[16:50] <Trouble> 18th
[16:50] <Trouble> shtylman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[16:50] <persia> So stuff uploading now is supposed to be beta-targeted stuff only
[16:50] <Riddell> fixing ubiquity comes under that :)
[16:53] <davmor2> Riddell: should the screensaver lock the screen by default for lucid.   I know it is for gnome just wondering if kde had the same default for lucid?
[16:55] <Riddell> davmor2: we don't have a screensaved by default
[16:57] <davmor2> Riddell: okay so the blank screen (which is the same as gnome) then
[16:57] <Riddell> yes that's the power saving stuff
[16:57] <Riddell> it doesn't lock by default
[16:58] <davmor2> Riddell: okay :)
[17:10] <maco2> oh wow. ive missed like teh entire alpha period? i'm a bad tester :(
[17:11]  * maco2 upgrades
[17:27] <nixternal> I take it the new network manager plasmoid still doesn't work with hidden/wpa2 connections?
[17:27] <Riddell> nixternal: I believe not :(
[17:28] <nixternal> k, so I need to still use the gnome network manager thing
[17:28] <nixternal> I just use the gnome one to create the connection, as it worked the old way like that
[17:31] <maco2> hmm i wonder why do-release-upgrade wants to ditch f-spot?
[17:32] <maco2> (yes i still use f-spot and pidgin and gwibber)
[17:36] <jussi01> maco2: fspot? why?
[17:37] <persia> maco2: Not in your primary task, perhaps tricky to upgrade (as a guess).
[17:38] <maco2> jussi01: it works well. digikam has yet to give me a compelling reason to learn a new UI. though there are some features on the digikam blog (i assume in svn?) that look shiny, but I don't think a released version has them yet
[17:42] <maco2> oooh hmm looks like maybe they made it into 1.0 or 1.1.0 ...
[17:43] <maco2> i'll have to play with digikam again
[17:45] <maco2> jussi01: but its sort of... f-spot does what i need a photo album thing to do, gimp does what i need an editor to do. digikam does more than f-spot and less than gimp which means i still need gimp for some stuff and end up with more buttons to confuse me when doing simple album stuff. however, the wavelet macro mentioned on the digikam blog looks more advanced than what gimp does, so if they continue on with making things-i-cant-make-gimp-do be withi
[17:47] <danimo> fabo: ping?
[18:06] <shtylman> is it too late to get a brand new package accepted :) ?
[18:06] <shtylman> one that doesn't even exist in debian?
[18:09] <persia> Needs a freeze exception
[18:19] <shtylman> which is probly unlikely at this point
[18:23] <persia> shtylman: Depends on why you need it.  I saw two new packages approved today (although they were needed for archive health)
[18:24] <shtylman> persia: I see... yea... its not critical... it can wait until next cycle around
[18:24] <persia> IF it can wait, it probably should.  Could it live in Debian?
[18:26]  * maco2 thinks persia just offered to sponsor it in debian
[18:27]  * persia isn't in the debian keyring
[18:34] <fabo> danimo: pong
[18:37] <shtylman> persia: yea.. it could live in debian as well
[18:38] <persia> shtylman: I'd recommend getting it uploaded there so you don't have to think about it for the next cycle, and get it from autosync.
[18:40] <shtylman> persia: sounds good to me
[18:55] <nixternal> I noticed with the new networkmangler thing, I have to keep doing the qdbus line in order for it to show me wireless connections
[18:56] <nixternal> otherwise it works, I am using wifi out in the parking lot of the rehab hospital
[18:56] <shtylman> how do I enable the kde mouse guestures?
[18:56] <nixternal> shitty connection, but at least it is a connection
[18:56] <shtylman> or use them?
[18:56] <shtylman> do I have to be holding a button or something?
[19:01] <nixternal> Riddell: with the new wifi widget, to get it working, all you need to do is set the 'seenbssid' in ~/.kde/share/apps/networkmanagement/connections
[19:01] <nixternal> once that is done, which it looks to be the mac address of the wifi hot spot, and you run the qdbus line again, it shows up 
[19:02] <nixternal> honestly, I don't see how this new widget is better than the previous one...the previous one at least automatically updated available wifi access points, this one doesn't
[19:21] <maco2> nixternal: it doesn't? thats silly
[19:39] <EagleScreen> brightness keys are not working in Kubuntu 10.04, I really hate this bug
[19:47] <verbalshadow> EagleScreen: they seem to be working here using the FN-keys and using screen brightness in the power management (battery) plasmoid
[19:48] <EagleScreen> verbalshadow: in my case, fn keys move the indicator bar int he applet, but brightness doesn't change
[19:49] <EagleScreen> when I move the brightness bar directly with the mouse, brightness change correctly
[19:50] <verbalshadow> i see that my slider doesn't move when i use the fn keys
[19:51] <EagleScreen> mive move, but brightness doesnt change
[20:16] <neversfelde> Mamarok: where are the copy/move options in amarok's file browser in 2.3 beta. Are they simply missing or is there a new way to copy songs to the local collection?
[22:10] <nixternal> my netbook is so slow
[22:12] <ScottK> How slow is it?
[22:13] <neversfelde> nixternal: that's the punishment for not sending me a taco^^
[22:16] <nixternal> it is definitely the drive...not another hard drive failure I hope
[22:16] <nixternal> 10 minutes to do the latest apt-get upgrade on lucid
[22:16] <nixternal> my laptop took 45 seconds
[22:16] <nixternal> i wonder how many times you have to send a dell mini 10v back for repairs before they say screw it and send me a new one?
[22:21] <shtylman> so I did an ls -l in a directory... and got:
[22:21] <shtylman> -rw-r--r--+ 1 shtylman
[22:21] <shtylman> what is the "+" ??
[22:21] <shtylman> ive never seen that
[22:23] <nixternal> shtylman: ACL entry associated with it
[22:23] <shtylman> nixternal: thanks
[22:23] <shtylman> how do we find out what that entry it?
[22:23] <shtylman> or does it just indicate there is one
[22:24] <nixternal> need acl installed, then you can use getfacl and the other tools to figure that out
[22:24] <nixternal> I have only seen it with a project I worked on 2 years ago, and couldn't figure out wtf it was :)
[22:24] <shtylman> heh
[22:27] <al> i wonder what causes the random file corruption on my kubuntu box
[22:29] <tazz> i just finished compiling kde from trunk under /home/kde/kde/ now do do i get my user "kde" to start using my trunk version instead of the current kubuntu packaged version? I am using kubuntu 9.10
[22:29] <al> according to memtest86 and bzip2 -vv memory/cpu seem to be ok, smart doesn't report any errors either
[22:29] <tazz> i tried searching at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KnowledgeBase
[22:32] <maco> tazz: play with $PATH ?
[22:33] <nixternal> oh my, just fired up the latest ubuntu iso...my eyes are bleeding
[22:35] <maco> i just rebooted into lucid. suddenly i have a purple splash screen and there's not a "K" in sight.
[22:35] <tazz> maco, thanks. Will try that out.
[22:42] <nixternal> maco: yeah, i don't like that either...so I have shut off "quiet splash" in grub
[22:42] <nixternal> plus, i like knowing what is working and what isn't when booting up