| === jamalta-afk is now known as jamalta | ||
| nomnex | is there a difference booting from the Ubuntu CD and running the Ubuntu CD live (without installing)? | 01:04 |
|---|---|---|
| nomnex | explain: "Ubuntu recommends that you boot from the rescue CD-ROM" | 01:05 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, just select the Try Without blablabla option | 01:09 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, so Try (Ubuntu) = booting from the rescue CD-ROM? | 01:12 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, that is the LiveCD | 01:12 |
| pedro3005 | idk if that's what they mean by rescue CDROM | 01:13 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, from there how do I mount my /home directory by example -- to access my files | 01:13 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, just click on the places menu, click your hard drive and navigate to your /home | 01:13 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, when I run the Live CD (Demo), my home dir does not appear in places | 01:15 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, does your hard drive appear? | 01:15 |
| nomnex | don't know if it is relevant, but I have only one drive, on which is Ubuntu. now, when I run the live CD and boot from it, it looks like a clean install | 01:16 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, you click on places, see that hard drive, open it, and what do you see? | 01:17 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, got your question now, so no, no hd in places with my /home dir. I guess I need to mount it manually | 01:18 |
| pedro3005 | gah lol, i forgot the name of that command that shows the hard drives | 01:19 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, ok, can you post the output of 'sudo fdisk -l' please? | 01:20 |
| serverduck | Could someone point me to how to install lamp in ubuntu 9.10? or an up to date link? | 01:22 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, http://pastebin.com/VgTsQ5wW (I am now working on my machine) | 01:23 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, well, on that system, it appears it can see a hard drive perfectly | 01:26 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, can you find the icon Computer on Places? | 01:26 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, (see: above) working on my machine now. When I boot from the LiveCD, there is a /home directory under Place, but it's a new one (empty) | 01:27 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, yes, that is expected | 01:27 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, sure, but how do I access my files i.e my /home directory. Do I need to manually mount it? | 01:28 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, ubuntu will mount it for you graphically, no need for commands | 01:28 |
| pedro3005 | just gotta go on to Computer and click it | 01:28 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, I see, and if it does not, how do I mount it manually? + when I use the LiveCD am I root or super user? | 01:30 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, use the mount command | 01:30 |
| pedro3005 | 'mount /dev/sda1 /place/to/mount' | 01:30 |
| serverduck | how do you install apache mysql and php in ubuntu? | 01:31 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, thanks, I don't need to specify particular permissions with the mount command? | 01:31 |
| pedro3005 | serverduck, maybe you should be using Ubuntu Server | 01:33 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, no, you only gotta be root | 01:33 |
| serverduck | pedro3005, I just want to experiment with php apache and mysql | 01:33 |
| serverduck | It's a must to run ubuntu server to do this? | 01:34 |
| pedro3005 | serverduck, no, just a tip | 01:34 |
| serverduck | It's not that i'm hosting files or anything.. | 01:34 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, oh, I see. related question. The desk is a shared computer, so anyone with a LiveCD and access to the computer, can boot and access any other users'files? | 01:35 |
| pedro3005 | serverduck, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP | 01:35 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, unless you encrypt it, yes. | 01:35 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, I see, so for casual users, a pass on the boot might be a good idea? | 01:36 |
| serverduck | ohhh damn...I should read more from ubuntu documentation before asking... | 01:36 |
| serverduck | sorry | 01:36 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, a 2nd grader can break that sort of security | 01:36 |
| pedro3005 | sorry | 01:37 |
| pedro3005 | if a person has physical access to your machine and a minimal amount of technical knowledge, the only thing you can do to try to stop her from viewing your files is encryption | 01:37 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, basically, don't let anyone you don't trust access your machine physically | 01:38 |
| pedro3005 | and if that is not possible, do not store critical data on such machine | 01:38 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, when 9.10 was out the full encryption was preventing resume, do you know if the bug has been fixed? | 01:38 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, I don't see why you'd need a full encryption, just of important files | 01:39 |
| pedro3005 | And no, I never heard if the bug was fixed | 01:39 |
| serverduck | and another thing pedro, after install is recommended to create a root password? | 01:40 |
| pedro3005 | serverduck, you have a root password already | 01:40 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, on 9.04 I had one folder encrypted (on the fly) that was convenient and fast. I don't remember how? Do you? | 01:40 |
| serverduck | I did it now with sudo passwd...until now anyone could login without password to root? | 01:40 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, it was a special folder in /home | 01:41 |
| pedro3005 | serverduck, :O | 01:41 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, hm, not really | 01:41 |
| serverduck | pedro3005, what password? i haven't configured one until now... | 01:41 |
| serverduck | "As default Ubuntu has no password set for the root user." | 01:41 |
| serverduck | This is what i read from the internet. | 01:41 |
| pedro3005 | serverduck, oh well. always set up a root password | 01:42 |
| serverduck | :) | 01:42 |
| serverduck | I finally did one:P | 01:42 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, thanks for mount. serverduck good luck with LAMP | 01:42 |
| serverduck | nomnex, thank you!:) | 01:42 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, u there? that's the encrypt folder home folder https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedHomeFolder, if you have time give me your input. that was very easy to use. | 01:47 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, well, what do you need? | 01:48 |
| nomnex | if you have never heard/used it, nothing. I was looking for advise between this method or truecrypt? | 01:51 |
| pedro3005 | nomnex, never used any. I'd guess use what you're most comfortable with | 01:52 |
| nomnex | pedro3005, will do, thanks | 01:52 |
| === cjohnston_ is now known as cjohnston | ||
| stlsaint | HELP....checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables | 03:45 |
| pedro3005 | stlsaint, :O | 03:46 |
| stlsaint | what compiler should i install | 03:46 |
| pedro3005 | stlsaint, gcc | 03:47 |
| pedro3005 | there was some compiling tools packag | 03:47 |
| stlsaint | i think it is installed | 03:47 |
| pedro3005 | forgot the name | 03:47 |
| stlsaint | i installed build-essential already | 03:48 |
| pedro3005 | steelsteve, ah yes that | 03:48 |
| pedro3005 | then it should work | 03:48 |
| steelsteve | yes what? | 03:48 |
| steelsteve | wasn't paying attention | 03:48 |
| pedro3005 | <pedro3005> there was some compiling tools packag | 03:48 |
| pedro3005 | <stlsaint> i think it is installed | 03:49 |
| pedro3005 | <pedro3005> forgot the name | 03:49 |
| steelsteve | erm... | 03:49 |
| steelsteve | what are you two talking about? | 03:49 |
| pedro3005 | steelsteve, oooooh lol | 03:50 |
| pedro3005 | steelsteve, tab fail | 03:50 |
| steelsteve | thought so | 03:50 |
| steelsteve | later | 03:50 |
| === steelsteve is now known as Steelsteve_A | ||
| stlsaint | anyone round? | 03:54 |
| Scunizi | yea | 03:54 |
| Scunizi | stlsaint: what's up? got a question? | 03:54 |
| stlsaint | Scunizi: http://pastebin.com/LJ8TzE7w | 03:55 |
| stlsaint | i already installed build-essential meta package | 03:55 |
| stlsaint | i still am unable to compile package tcl | 03:55 |
| pedro3005 | checking for gcc... no | 03:56 |
| Scunizi | stlsaint: check if you've install gcc and make | 03:56 |
| pedro3005 | stlsaint, and then try to specify the PATH to them if you've had | 03:56 |
| stlsaint | why would i need /usr/bin if im root? | 03:56 |
| stlsaint | hrm, i did not have make,nor gcc installed...i make was already in but im on a template so i see now | 03:57 |
| mcw | lo there | 04:11 |
| mcw | are any of the usual suspects on | 04:11 |
| * canthus13 is usually suspicious. | 04:25 | |
| canthus13 | ...but you've already gotten my answer on xbmc in -offtopic. :) | 04:26 |
| Dill | does anyone here know how to adjust the scroll wheel settings in ubuntu? | 04:37 |
| Ten-Eight | evening | 04:38 |
| Dill | evening | 04:38 |
| Ten-Eight | anything interesting going on in here tonight? | 04:38 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, well, i'm here asking if anyone knows how to change the scroll wheel settings in ubuntu | 04:39 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, but i haven't had any luck | 04:39 |
| Ten-Eight | okay | 04:39 |
| Ten-Eight | I'm using a scroll mouse...but I don't show anything that is adjustable in the mouse preferences. | 04:40 |
| Ten-Eight | at least as far as the scroll wheel is concerned. | 04:40 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, yeah. i'm using an actual mouse, but it won't let me adjust the way the scroll wheel works | 04:41 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, it's driving me nuts | 04:41 |
| Ten-Eight | me either.... | 04:42 |
| Ten-Eight | don't know that there is a way to do that in Ubuntu yet. | 04:42 |
| Ten-Eight | I have a scroll mouse on both my other machines but have never thought about adjusting the scroll settings on either of them. | 04:42 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, that is a little asnine | 04:42 |
| Ten-Eight | is it scrolling too fast or too slow? | 04:42 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, *asenine | 04:43 |
| Ten-Eight | hehheh....oh well. | 04:43 |
| Ten-Eight | mine do okay like they are. | 04:43 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, one "scroll click" does anywhere between a screen or three-fourths of a screen randomly | 04:43 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, it used to work just fine, but when I rebooted, it started acting funny | 04:44 |
| Ten-Eight | wow.... | 04:44 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, i don't know what to do | 04:44 |
| Ten-Eight | have you tried a different mouse? | 04:44 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, and this is a fresh install of ubuntu from the other day | 04:44 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, let me try that | 04:44 |
| Ten-Eight | okay. | 04:44 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, okay, the second mouse is fine | 04:44 |
| Ten-Eight | good deal. | 04:45 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, thats strange | 04:45 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, this mouse used to be good too | 04:45 |
| Ten-Eight | other mouse must have a problem. | 04:45 |
| Ten-Eight | I'm at work and one of our workstation's mouse will just disconnect itself from the system and sometimes, but not always, reconnect itself. | 04:46 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, okay, i simply unplugged the mouse and plugged it back in and it is doing fine | 04:46 |
| Ten-Eight | it needs replacing too. | 04:46 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, i have never seen that | 04:46 |
| Ten-Eight | excellent! | 04:46 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, no, it's a ubuntu thing | 04:46 |
| Ten-Eight | the workstation at my work place is a win xp box. | 04:47 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, it's a brand new mouse. it worked, but after a reboot, it was scrolling strangely. now that i unplugged it and plugged it back in it seems to be working fine | 04:47 |
| Ten-Eight | you're using the SAME mouse...just unplugged and replugged it and it started working? | 04:47 |
| Ten-Eight | okay...I got it now. | 04:47 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, yes | 04:48 |
| Ten-Eight | okay. | 04:48 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, i haven't seen that before | 04:48 |
| Ten-Eight | I've not seen that on any of my Ubuntu installs. | 04:48 |
| Ten-Eight | had mouse prob's with Fedora Core 2 a few years ago....but it turned out to be the mouse itself. | 04:48 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, it did it to my netbook with linux Mint once, but i just wiped it and put ubuntu on there and ignored it | 04:49 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, but that was a different mouse | 04:49 |
| Ten-Eight | okay | 04:49 |
| Dill | Ten-Eight, so i really hate that there isn't an option to tweak the settings | 04:49 |
| Ten-Eight | maybe it's in the works for Lucid. | 04:50 |
| Ten-Eight | haven't downloaded it to try yet. | 04:50 |
| Ten-Eight | I'm still on 8.04 LTS on two systems and the lappy is running 8.10. | 04:50 |
| Ten-Eight | all very solid. | 04:50 |
| Ten-Eight | looking forward to trying Lucid when it comes out. | 04:50 |
| Dill | yeah | 04:51 |
| Dill | i'm on karmic, but i can't wait for lucid | 04:51 |
| Ten-Eight | haven't tried karmic....think I'll just wait for Lucid ;) | 04:51 |
| Ten-Eight | I prefer the LTS's for my everyday use. | 04:51 |
| Dill | lts? | 04:52 |
| Ten-Eight | I have a friend with an Acer Aspire One and she want to try ubuntu. | 04:52 |
| Ten-Eight | Long Term Service | 04:52 |
| Dill | oh, okay | 04:52 |
| Dill | ubuntu is great | 04:52 |
| Dill | it just doesn't do flash very well | 04:53 |
| Dill | or itunes or blackberry software | 04:53 |
| Ten-Eight | hehe...I've not had any flash problems with any of mine. | 04:53 |
| Dill | my netbook lags a little with flash | 04:53 |
| Ten-Eight | I don't use iTunes or have a crackberry ;) so I don't have a need for it to do those. | 04:53 |
| Ten-Eight | the system I'm using now is a Dell Inspiron 1525 that used to have Win Vista Home on it. | 04:54 |
| Ten-Eight | 3 gb RAM and 120 gb HDD. | 04:54 |
| Ten-Eight | Intel wireless card. | 04:54 |
| Ten-Eight | what kind of netbook are you using? | 04:55 |
| Dill | eeepc 1005ha-pu17, 2gb ram, 260 ssd, dual-boot win7/ubuntu karmic | 04:55 |
| Ten-Eight | sounds good...should screem with Ubuntu :) | 04:55 |
| Dill | oh yeah | 04:56 |
| Dill | it is nice | 04:56 |
| Ten-Eight | how do you like Win7? | 04:56 |
| Dill | it's very nice | 04:56 |
| Ten-Eight | I've seen it...but have not had the opportunity to mess with it much. | 04:56 |
| Dill | it's windows, of course, but it is definitely better than the older versions of windows | 04:56 |
| Ten-Eight | that's what I hear. | 04:56 |
| Ten-Eight | I have an XP drive in case I need it....but it rarely gets used. | 04:57 |
| Dill | yeh | 04:57 |
| Dill | *yeah | 04:57 |
| Dill | i also have a laptop that i've dual booted win7 and karmic | 04:58 |
| Dill | that puts a lot of PC's to shame with linux | 04:58 |
| Ten-Eight | yes indeed. | 04:58 |
| Ten-Eight | my main system is almost 9 yrs old (AMD 1.4) and it still flies with Ubuntu 8.04. | 04:59 |
| Dill | oh yeah | 04:59 |
| Dill | that's what i like about ubuntu | 04:59 |
| Ten-Eight | the lappy is the latest....about two yrs old now. | 04:59 |
| Ten-Eight | meeeee too! | 04:59 |
| Dill | i have a laptop that's about that old that does pretty well | 04:59 |
| Ten-Eight | keeps the machine useful for a loong time after win is slowing down. | 04:59 |
| Dill | it probably nees a new processor though | 04:59 |
| Ten-Eight | my wife is a convert as well. she's spoiled by the speed of that old machine and is not used to winders anymore ;) | 05:02 |
| Ten-Eight | I have to use Win XP at work (police dispatcher)...so I'm still accustomed to it...but MUCH prefer ubuntu. | 05:03 |
| Dill | haha. i use ubuntu more than windows, so when i go back i start getting pissed off at the little details | 05:03 |
| Ten-Eight | ubuntu is my every day OS...win is barely a second thought (at home). | 05:04 |
| Dill | exactly | 05:04 |
| Dill | again, i only work with windows for my itouch and my blackberry | 05:06 |
| === jamalta is now known as jamalta-afk | ||
| Ten-Eight | I am resisting the blackberry as i don't really need it and it would just be a distraction to me. | 05:07 |
| Dill | and a distraction it is | 05:08 |
| Dill | but i can't live without it | 05:08 |
| Ten-Eight | i have the regular cell phone/push to talk radio combo from motorola. | 05:08 |
| Dill | haha | 05:08 |
| Ten-Eight | it's about 4 yrs old and still works fine. | 05:08 |
| Dill | i used to have a razr and a palm pilot | 05:09 |
| Ten-Eight | wife has a moto-razor and hates it. | 05:09 |
| Dill | and i also used to go around complaining about how it would be great to keep appointments and notes and tasks in my phone... | 05:09 |
| Dill | then someone told me to get a blackberry | 05:09 |
| Dill | that was d-day | 05:09 |
| Dill | and when i found out it wouldn't work with linux i was pissed | 05:10 |
| Dill | but i'm interested in those android phones | 05:10 |
| Dill | since they are built on the unix kernel like linux | 05:10 |
| Dill | maybe they will sync | 05:10 |
| Ten-Eight | my daughter has an android and uses Ubuntu at home too...but I don't know if she uses it WITH ubuntu. | 05:11 |
| Ten-Eight | I'll have to ask her about that. | 05:11 |
| Dill | yeah. if i can dump windows all together i would rejoice like never before | 05:11 |
| Ten-Eight | hehehehehe....I'd love to completely dump it too...but I still have to have my Win XP drive every now and then for the voiceover studio. | 05:12 |
| Dill | haha | 05:12 |
| * Ten-Eight is a retired radio jock (25 yrs), part-time voiceover guy and fulltime police dispatcher. | 05:12 | |
| chacha | hi guys | 05:13 |
| Dill | hey | 05:13 |
| Dill | what's up? | 05:13 |
| Ten-Eight | hello chacha | 05:13 |
| chacha | sup Bodsda | 05:13 |
| chacha | compiledkernel, | 05:13 |
| chacha | dvz-, | 05:13 |
| chacha | Hellow, | 05:13 |
| chacha | ibuclaw, | 05:13 |
| chacha | uhm | 05:13 |
| chacha | jacob, | 05:13 |
| Ten-Eight | not much | 05:13 |
| chacha | Joeb454, | 05:13 |
| chacha | lukjad86, | 05:13 |
| jacob | >.< | 05:13 |
| chacha | oh and how could i forget about swoody | 05:13 |
| Hellow | Uh. | 05:15 |
| chacha | i just got done with a ddos, i am in a great mood | 05:15 |
| chacha | i took down irc.bikcmp.info for a while | 05:15 |
| Ten-Eight | oh well. | 05:16 |
| jacob | nice. | 05:16 |
| brandon420 | heyy | 07:13 |
| brandon420 | im having a problem with ubuntu crashing... | 07:13 |
| brandon420 | anyone up for the challenge? | 07:13 |
| caleb_ | I'm having some trouble with installing fonts. I tried the "Install Font" button in the viewer but it just says "Install Failed". | 07:14 |
| celthunder | brandon420, more info | 07:14 |
| celthunder | caleb_, are you root? | 07:15 |
| brandon420 | sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer | 07:15 |
| brandon420 | hmms, i know that its a hard freeze | 07:15 |
| brandon420 | and it happens randomly | 07:15 |
| caleb_ | I looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts but i'm a little lost | 07:15 |
| caleb_ | My core issue is that I have font that was made from a handwriting sample | 07:16 |
| brandon420 | i really dont have much info on it, thats why im here, i have absolutely no idea what to google | 07:16 |
| caleb_ | what sort of error are you getting? (not that i know much more than you do) | 07:17 |
| brandon420 | i dont get one.... | 07:17 |
| brandon420 | it just freezes | 07:17 |
| celthunder | brandon420, have you checked your logs? | 07:18 |
| brandon420 | yeah | 07:18 |
| celthunder | anything? | 07:18 |
| brandon420 | i tried to get help in the regular channel, and they gave up | 07:18 |
| brandon420 | to be 100% honest, im not quite sure what im lookin for | 07:18 |
| brandon420 | i checked to the llogs right before the crash | 07:19 |
| celthunder | does it happen if it just sits there | 07:19 |
| celthunder | and you are doing nothing? | 07:19 |
| brandon420 | [ 82.500022] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -167733078 ns) | 07:19 |
| brandon420 | yeah | 07:19 |
| celthunder | bad drivers/hardware? | 07:19 |
| brandon420 | i will walk away and it will do it while i am gone. | 07:19 |
| celthunder | did you check your ram? | 07:20 |
| brandon420 | i dont think so | 07:20 |
| brandon420 | i know its not hardware. cause it runs windows fine | 07:20 |
| brandon420 | and its has all the recommened drivers, and its runs flawlessly till it crashes | 07:20 |
| brandon420 | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/AbfJewMU | 07:21 |
| brandon420 | they said something about the segs | 07:21 |
| brandon420 | and i have no idea what a seg is | 07:21 |
| brandon420 | im a quick learner, and it would be greatly appreciated if you could shed any light on the subject, | 07:22 |
| celthunder | did you recompile your kernel at all? | 07:23 |
| brandon420 | have no idea how too... | 07:23 |
| leoquant | a full harddisk? what the outcome of df -h? | 07:24 |
| brandon420 | the only thing i have done to it, was add compiz, but it was crashing before i did that | 07:24 |
| brandon420 | the hdd isnt full | 07:24 |
| brandon420 | sudo df -h? | 07:24 |
| leoquant | taking a look at the logs... | 07:24 |
| leoquant | no | 07:24 |
| leoquant | on what line is the seg fault? | 07:25 |
| leoquant | ah nividia settings | 07:25 |
| leoquant | awn-applet-acti also | 07:26 |
| brandon420 | so my dock is part of the problem as well? | 07:26 |
| leoquant | its a long time ago, but on the forums (ubuntu-nl) awn could be part of the problem, i have seen it before | 07:28 |
| brandon420 | this is just kickin my ass, i havent ever had a problem with ubuntu that i couldnt google and figure out how to fix | 07:28 |
| leoquant | how did you install the nividia driver? | 07:28 |
| brandon420 | its the recommended one | 07:28 |
| leoquant | did you upgrade your system to 9.10? | 07:28 |
| leoquant | via hardware drivers etc.? | 07:29 |
| brandon420 | thats what i installed | 07:29 |
| brandon420 | nope, and it was crashing before i installed the dock | 07:29 |
| leoquant | did you made 4 gig available for ubuntu? | 07:30 |
| brandon420 | yeah, like 40 something gb | 07:31 |
| brandon420 | and it has over 8gb free. | 07:31 |
| leoquant | 4 gb or 40 gb? could you copy paste the result of df -h? | 07:31 |
| brandon420 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 07:32 |
| brandon420 | /dev/sda5 33G 26G 5.3G 84% / | 07:32 |
| brandon420 | udev 438M 244K 438M 1% /dev | 07:32 |
| brandon420 | none 438M 872K 437M 1% /dev/shm | 07:32 |
| brandon420 | none 438M 196K 438M 1% /var/run | 07:32 |
| brandon420 | none 438M 0 438M 0% /var/lock | 07:32 |
| brandon420 | none 438M 0 438M 0% /lib/init/rw | 07:32 |
| brandon420 | brandon420@brandon420-desktop:~$ | 07:32 |
| leoquant | did you install swap? | 07:33 |
| brandon420 | swap? | 07:33 |
| leoquant | a swap partition | 07:33 |
| brandon420 | sorry for the stupid questions btw | 07:34 |
| brandon420 | so i can access my windows files? | 07:34 |
| leoquant | linux uses swap, (hibernate etc.) | 07:34 |
| brandon420 | i just made a partition in windows that was 33gb and did the regular ubuntu install there | 07:34 |
| leoquant | swap should be installed, it comes with linux brandon420 | 07:35 |
| leoquant | you could run a live cd or gparted to create one | 07:36 |
| brandon420 | usb? | 07:36 |
| brandon420 | lol | 07:36 |
| brandon420 | thats what i used to install it | 07:36 |
| leoquant | i recommend using a live cd, or the gparted live cd | 07:37 |
| leoquant | ah you dont have a cd rom drive | 07:37 |
| brandon420 | i do, i just dont have the cd, or a blank cd | 07:37 |
| leoquant | : http://gparted.sourceforge.net/liveusb.php | 07:39 |
| leoquant | it runs on usb also | 07:39 |
| leoquant | leaves your system unmounted | 07:39 |
| leoquant | create a swap | 07:39 |
| leoquant | 1,5 times the size of your RAM mem. | 07:39 |
| leoquant | 1 gb/1,5 gb is allright | 07:41 |
| celthunder | you can create a swap file | 07:41 |
| celthunder | if you don't want to repartition | 07:41 |
| brandon420 | http://i43.tinypic.com/9091d4.png | 07:42 |
| brandon420 | says i have 1.5gb of swap | 07:42 |
| leoquant | so swap is off as a problem...:) | 07:42 |
| leoquant | brandon420 if awn is not part of the problem i am out of options... | 07:43 |
| brandon420 | =( | 07:44 |
| leoquant | you could run a top in the terminal | 07:44 |
| brandon420 | a top? | 07:44 |
| leoquant | sorry brandon420 | 07:44 |
| leoquant | yeah if any process is going wild | 07:44 |
| brandon420 | how do i run a top? | 07:45 |
| brandon420 | once again, sorry for the noob questions | 07:45 |
| leoquant | top in the terminal | 07:45 |
| leoquant | don't copy paste it here | 07:46 |
| leoquant | but take a look at the processes | 07:46 |
| brandon420 | nothing seems out of the ordinary | 07:47 |
| leoquant | :/ | 07:47 |
| brandon420 | idk man | 07:48 |
| brandon420 | its getting late here | 07:48 |
| leoquant | ok | 07:48 |
| brandon420 | imma get some sleep, and get a fresh start on this tomorrow | 07:48 |
| leoquant | yeah | 07:48 |
| leoquant | take care | 07:48 |
| brandon420 | its weird, cause earlier it was crashing like every 5 mins | 07:49 |
| brandon420 | and its been running for like 45ish mins now | 07:49 |
| brandon420 | with no flaws | 07:49 |
| brandon420 | i doo appreciate the effort | 07:50 |
| brandon420 | i really do | 07:50 |
| brandon420 | and ill be back tomorrow to try again | 07:50 |
| leoquant | come back | 07:50 |
| leoquant | when there are more around here | 07:50 |
| leoquant | ok/ | 07:50 |
| leoquant | ? | 07:50 |
| brandon420 | ok | 07:51 |
| brandon420 | thanks | 07:51 |
| smeag0l | Hello | 09:29 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Hello | 09:31 |
| Brodz987 | is anyone good with wine issues. no one is answering in the winehq channel | 10:09 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Brodz987, Which application ? | 10:11 |
| Brodz987 | same one | 10:11 |
| Brodz987 | different error | 10:11 |
| Brodz987 | it is now telling me after an update that the space available is 0 | 10:12 |
| Brodz987 | and wont install anything | 10:12 |
| Silver_Fox_ | I do not know which application you were having trouble with to begin with :( | 10:12 |
| Brodz987 | ah. sorry. dawn of war 40k | 10:12 |
| Brodz987 | i cant find any docs with my error on winehq.com | 10:13 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Which game? It looks like several exist: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1918 | 10:15 |
| Brodz987 | just straigh dawn of war. but i have the multicd install, as apposed to the dvd install | 10:18 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Okay, couple of questions: | 10:19 |
| Brodz987 | yeah | 10:19 |
| Silver_Fox_ | 1) Which version of wine do yo have ? | 10:19 |
| Silver_Fox_ | 2) What OS are you running? | 10:19 |
| Silver_Fox_ | (include version) | 10:19 |
| Brodz987 | wine 1.1.40 | 10:19 |
| Brodz987 | ubuntu 9.1 | 10:20 |
| Brodz987 | stop looking | 10:23 |
| Brodz987 | im running a dvd install disk to test it, and so far it looks o4k | 10:24 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Okay. | 10:25 |
| Brodz987 | ok we have a new error | 10:34 |
| Brodz987 | i have a full dvd install. and its asking me to insert the disk 0 with the file data3.cab | 10:35 |
| Brodz987 | which does not exist on the disk.... | 10:35 |
| === Silver_Fox_ is now known as Silver_Fox_Away | ||
| === Silver_Fox_Away is now known as Silver_Fox_ | ||
| === jamalta-afk is now known as jamalta | ||
| duanedesign | good morning! | 14:08 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Hello duanedesign | 14:08 |
| duanedesign | hello Silver_Fox_ | 14:10 |
| duanedesign | what'cha up too | 14:11 |
| Silver_Fox_ | cURL | 14:12 |
| duanedesign | ohhh. What are you cURLing. I was using cURL quite a bit last weeh when I was learning about CouchDB | 14:14 |
| Silver_Fox_ | I am making requests to her majesty's land registry. | 14:16 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Property searches and the like. | 14:17 |
| duanedesign | interesting | 14:17 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Not especially. | 14:17 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Trivial code. | 14:17 |
| duanedesign | lol | 14:17 |
| duanedesign | is it a after you get thi, get the next one kinda thing | 14:18 |
| Silver_Fox_ | What are you doing duanedesign ? | 14:18 |
| Silver_Fox_ | I do not understand :) | 14:18 |
| duanedesign | not an uncommon reply to statements I make :) | 14:18 |
| Silver_Fox_ | "is it a after you get thi, get the next one kinda thing" | 14:19 |
| duanedesign | i as talking about the code you were making. Trying to summarize what it might be doing. | 14:20 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Okay. | 14:21 |
| duanedesign | I am working on a Python script that saves a list of installed packages to a CouchDB (which all Ubuntu computers have now with desktopcouch) | 14:21 |
| duanedesign | then Ubuntu One relicates that list to all your computers | 14:22 |
| Silver_Fox_ | 1) I am using PHP | 14:22 |
| duanedesign | where upon recieving the list the same script can be used to install from the likst | 14:22 |
| duanedesign | s/likst/list | 14:22 |
| Silver_Fox_ | 2) I build a dynamic piece of xml | 14:22 |
| duanedesign | Silver_Fox_: you like PHP? :) | 14:23 |
| duanedesign | ck was here and he didnt say anything :( | 14:23 |
| Silver_Fox_ | 3) I then make the request to a specified url | 14:23 |
| Silver_Fox_ | 4) I then recieve a response from hmlr | 14:24 |
| Silver_Fox_ | 5) I parse the xml response to obtain the base64 encoded pdf document. | 14:24 |
| Silver_Fox_ | 6) The document is then saved on a server in correct file destination | 14:24 |
| Silver_Fox_ | 7) The file is also emailed to the people who need it | 14:25 |
| Silver_Fox_ | 8) The database records are updated to indicate that the request was made and the response was processed | 14:25 |
| Silver_Fox_ | It is trivial | 14:26 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Like is an odd word. I can work with it | 14:26 |
| duanedesign | you must do a lot of PHP if that is trivial | 14:26 |
| Silver_Fox_ | I do not generally discuss my work ;) | 14:26 |
| duanedesign | heh, i understand that | 14:27 |
| Silver_Fox_ | I do use php quite a lot. The libs are good. | 14:29 |
| Silver_Fox_ | I also run it on a red hat server so can benefit from executing bash from within php. Sometimes it is useful. | 14:30 |
| duanedesign | i have had 'learn PHP' on my toDo list for some time now | 14:31 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Then do it | 14:32 |
| duanedesign | :) | 14:32 |
| duanedesign | sound advice | 14:33 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Merci | 14:33 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Welcome back ck | 14:39 |
| duanedesign | hello elfy | 14:52 |
| elfy | hi duanedesign | 14:52 |
| duanedesign | elfy: how has your day been? | 14:52 |
| elfy | not too bad ty duanedesign - yours? | 14:54 |
| duanedesign | elfy: good. just finishing up my first script that uses CouchDB | 14:56 |
| duanedesign | elfy: i really want to install Lucid. I am thinking i will take the plunge soon | 14:57 |
| elfy | it works absolutely fine here - from a clean install that is | 14:58 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Then do it | 14:58 |
| elfy | I would not upgrade to it at the moment | 14:58 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Neither would I. I would wait, an update crippled many systems yesterday it seems. | 14:59 |
| * Silver_Fox_ is not updating lucid again while it is working :) | 14:59 | |
| elfy | I am completely updated - no issues from here to report | 14:59 |
| duanedesign | hmmm | 15:06 |
| duanedesign | been using ntop the last few days that is a nice tool for providing information about your network | 15:14 |
| duanedesign | has a nice web interface | 15:15 |
| celthunder | ntop has a web interface? | 15:16 |
| celthunder | i stopped using it because it looks like crap in a terminal | 15:17 |
| duanedesign | celthunder: there are some screenshots of the interface here: http://www.susegeek.com/networking/ntop-in-opensuse-to-probe-monitor-network-traffic/ | 15:18 |
| celthunder | wow doesnt look too bad in a web browser | 15:19 |
| brandon420 | heyy | 18:16 |
| brandon420 | anyone around here? | 18:17 |
| brandon4201 | i am having a random crashing problem.... anyone up for the challenge? | 18:23 |
| pleia2 | brandon4201: an application crashing, or your whole system? | 18:30 |
| brandon4201 | the whole system | 18:30 |
| brandon4201 | a hard crash | 18:30 |
| pleia2 | does it freeze up, or just shut down? | 18:31 |
| brandon4201 | freezes | 18:31 |
| pleia2 | my first guess would be a memory issue, do you have the ubuntu installer cd? | 18:31 |
| brandon4201 | nope, i used a usb to install it | 18:32 |
| pleia2 | do you have that? | 18:32 |
| pleia2 | the usb installer should have the memory checking program too | 18:32 |
| brandon4201 | i can check it when i reboot | 18:33 |
| brandon4201 | i have dual boot | 18:33 |
| brandon4201 | it has the memcheck option when i restart, should i try that and let ya know what it says? | 18:34 |
| pleia2 | yep | 18:34 |
| brandon4201 | ok | 18:34 |
| brandon4201 | brb | 18:34 |
| brandon420 | well the memory test came back fine. | 19:46 |
| brandon420 | no errors | 19:46 |
| brandon420 | anyone wanna help me figure out why my computer is crashing? | 20:10 |
| elfy | can try - what specs - what happens? | 20:10 |
| elfy | had a look at scrollback I see you checked out the memory | 20:12 |
| elfy | brandon420: so what specs is the pc? | 20:12 |
| brandon420 | 1.6ghz 1gb ram | 20:13 |
| brandon420 | more than enough to run ubuntu | 20:13 |
| brandon420 | and the memory came back with no errors | 20:13 |
| brandon420 | fsck was fine too | 20:13 |
| elfy | certainly should be sufficient | 20:13 |
| brandon420 | it runs great | 20:13 |
| brandon420 | just crashes randomly | 20:13 |
| brandon420 | and the temps are alright | 20:14 |
| elfy | so when it crashes is it completely random? | 20:15 |
| elfy | or do you tend to be doing the same things? | 20:15 |
| brandon420 | random | 20:16 |
| brandon420 | i have tried to make it crash | 20:16 |
| brandon420 | and it wont | 20:16 |
| brandon420 | i have opened like 20 ff windows | 20:16 |
| elfy | mmm | 20:16 |
| brandon420 | to see if that would cause it, and it didnt crash, | 20:16 |
| elfy | does it do it daily? | 20:16 |
| brandon420 | daily? | 20:16 |
| brandon420 | more like hourly | 20:16 |
| brandon420 | i have been on since 12ish... and its crashed like 4 times | 20:17 |
| elfy | k - open a terminal in the desktop that you are - run top in it and leave it there - when it next crashes have a look at top see what is taking cpu up - might be a help | 20:17 |
| elfy | 12ish was hours ago here ;) | 20:18 |
| brandon420 | lol, its 3 | 20:18 |
| brandon420 | and when it crashes i cant see the screen | 20:18 |
| brandon420 | it goes nuts | 20:18 |
| brandon420 | and it doesnt get slow before it crashes, it just does it | 20:19 |
| elfy | mmm | 20:19 |
| brandon420 | i have tried to find a trend, and havent been able too | 20:19 |
| elfy | odd | 20:20 |
| brandon420 | i just feel like i have to be missing something | 20:20 |
| elfy | if it was me I'd be looking at hardware to start with - how long did you run the memtest for? | 20:21 |
| brandon420 | a good hour or so | 20:22 |
| elfy | this is one of those nasty ones - bit like "I have a noise in the car, sometimes..." | 20:23 |
| brandon420 | yeah | 20:24 |
| brandon420 | i just need a linux vet to ssh, or vnc my computer and figure it out | 20:25 |
| brandon420 | driving me nuts! | 20:25 |
| phillw | elfy: as a shot in the dark ... can the OP run something like top and have it pipe to an output file ? | 20:25 |
| elfy | try this - next time it crashes reboot, then go to sys >admin > log viewer - have a look at the syslog and messages - just before the latest reboot and see if there's anything that shouts out | 20:25 |
| elfy | phillw: how bizarre that is - only an hour ago I was thinking of just exactly how to do that ;) | 20:26 |
| brandon420 | i have done that | 20:26 |
| phillw | elfy: i think it one of those that needs &&'s etc ... I know it can be done, but do not know how | 20:27 |
| elfy | brandon420: ok when it crashes - do you have any kbd control? | 20:27 |
| brandon420 | nope | 20:27 |
| brandon420 | none. i have to hold down the power button | 20:27 |
| brandon420 | cause there isnt any other way | 20:28 |
| elfy | k hang on a bit - I'll wield some google fu | 20:28 |
| brandon420 | i tried to hit crtl alt f2 | 20:28 |
| brandon420 | i have the logs from last night | 20:28 |
| elfy | what logs? | 20:28 |
| brandon420 | and there are like 2 crashes in it | 20:29 |
| elfy | sys and messages? | 20:29 |
| brandon420 | think so | 20:29 |
| brandon420 | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/AbfJewMU | 20:29 |
| brandon420 | is one | 20:29 |
| brandon420 | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/6NrLCihY | 20:29 |
| brandon420 | and the other one | 20:30 |
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| elfy | brandon420: can you redo syslog and messages fro me to look at please | 20:34 |
| brandon420 | sure. 1 sec | 20:34 |
| brandon420 | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/Z7Zq5f4s | 20:36 |
| elfy | phillw: top > ~/Desktop/text gives http://paste.ubuntu.com/393543/ | 20:40 |
| elfy | so I guess that you can muck about to make it pretty - but the very last bit regradless of what it looks like would give the last valid top output | 20:40 |
| brandon420 | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/EGg8FRjq | 20:42 |
| brandon420 | that look about right? | 20:42 |
| elfy | brandon420: can't see anything in the first one - second is top and looks normal enough | 20:46 |
| brandon420 | =/ | 20:47 |
| phillw | elfy: When I've had Ubuntu fail, i've used ps -ef | grep -v '00:00:00' > /tmp/f1; sleep 10; ps -ef | grep -v '00:00:00'> /tmp/f2 ; diff /tmp/f1 /tmp/f2 | 20:47 |
| phillw | To keep track of what was going on, but that would only be of use if you could still access a terminal login | 20:47 |
| elfy | appears to be no kbd at all when it crashes | 20:47 |
| brandon420 | there is nothing working when it crashes | 20:48 |
| phillw | maybe kick in a terminal session, else adjust that script, which is basically what 'top' does -- | 20:48 |
| brandon420 | i literally cant even bring up a terminal | 20:48 |
| brandon420 | Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -249896593 ns) | 20:49 |
| brandon420 | that was in the kernal log right before it crashed | 20:49 |
| elfy | yea saw that - doubt if that is the issue - I have had that myself. | 20:49 |
| phillw | Can you start a couple of terminal sessions, the use xstart in one of them to kick Ubuntu GUI in ? | 20:49 |
| elfy | brandon420: but you could deal with it and see if it is the problem | 20:50 |
| brandon420 | whats the code to start gnome? | 20:51 |
| brandon420 | sudo start x? | 20:51 |
| brandon420 | lol | 20:51 |
| elfy | brandon420: what version buntu is this? | 20:52 |
| phillw | from a login (CLI) just 'startx' | 20:52 |
| brandon420 | 9.10 | 20:52 |
| brandon420 | and thats just gonna start the plain gnome? | 20:53 |
| brandon420 | i can also start it in recovery mode... | 20:53 |
| phillw | brandon420: yeah, but you 'may' still have the other terminal session when it freezes ? | 20:53 |
| elfy | phillw: he's tried to ctrl+alt+F2 - previosuly - not working at the crash | 20:54 |
| brandon420 | ty | 20:54 |
| phillw | idk elfy you're more expericened that I am, I was just just throwing a couple of ideas around | 20:54 |
| brandon420 | ideas are greatly appreciated | 20:54 |
| brandon420 | seriously | 20:54 |
| brandon420 | cause im freaking stumped. | 20:55 |
| phillw | Did he already have a terminal session running ? | 20:55 |
| phillw | that is why i suggested two terminal sessions, one there, and one to run the GUI, etc on | 20:55 |
| elfy | phillw: probably not | 20:55 |
| brandon420 | sooo | 20:56 |
| brandon420 | i just hit crtl alt f | 20:56 |
| elfy | brandon420: do it now - do Ctrl+Alt+F1 - login to it - your username and password and then run top in there - leave it going and do Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back to gnome | 20:57 |
| brandon420 | 2 | 20:57 |
| brandon420 | f1 or f2? | 20:57 |
| elfy | that will have top running in there | 20:57 |
| elfy | brandon420: you could do f1,2,3,4,5,6 - f7 is where you are now | 20:57 |
| brandon420 | cool | 20:57 |
| brandon420 | done. | 20:57 |
| elfy | when it crashes see if you can get there | 20:58 |
| brandon420 | aight | 20:58 |
| elfy | I would do another memtest - overnight | 20:58 |
| brandon420 | aight | 20:58 |
| brandon420 | ill do that when i crash | 20:58 |
| brandon420 | it never has any problems in windows just slow, but thats just windows | 20:59 |
| phillw | if you can get a system with GUI running, you "may" want to try forcing Gnome to defaults and remove any alterations you have made to things like menu-bars etc ? ... idk | 21:00 |
| elfy | I still think this is likely to be a hardware issue - but that is just a gut instinct | 21:00 |
| brandon420 | i was thinking that it might be compiz, but it was crashing before i installed all the eyecandy | 21:01 |
| brandon420 | and i personally dont think its hardware. its pretty much ban new | 21:01 |
| brandon420 | and it aces all the test. | 21:01 |
| brandon420 | hdd isnt full.. | 21:01 |
| brandon420 | has swap space | 21:01 |
| phillw | brandon420: try gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel | 21:02 |
| brandon420 | whats this gonna do? | 21:02 |
| brandon420 | lol | 21:02 |
| brandon420 | and sudo that? | 21:02 |
| phillw | that will reset your top menu bar force it to default | 21:03 |
| brandon420 | top menu is default | 21:03 |
| phillw | as we are chasing a 'phantom' in the works, it is a case of removing them | 21:03 |
| elfy | brandon420: new does not mean there are no issues :) | 21:03 |
| elfy | brandon420: is it a pc or laptop? your memory is it one stick or two? | 21:04 |
| phillw | brandon420: and yes, sudo | 21:04 |
| brandon420 | true | 21:04 |
| brandon420 | done | 21:06 |
| brandon420 | it didnt change anything | 21:06 |
| brandon420 | and this computer runs windows fine, thats the only reason why im douting that its the hardware | 21:06 |
| phillw | brandon420: what Graphic card do you have ? | 21:07 |
| brandon420 | i have a graphic chip | 21:07 |
| brandon420 | sudo nvidia-settings | 21:07 |
| brandon420 | opps | 21:07 |
| brandon420 | nvidia geforece 6150SE nforce 430 | 21:08 |
| phillw | are you using the correct nvid driver for 9.10 ? | 21:08 |
| brandon420 | the recommened one | 21:09 |
| phillw | recommended by whom ? | 21:09 |
| brandon420 | the system | 21:09 |
| brandon420 | know how it will say (recommended) beside it? | 21:10 |
| phillw | as in, System --> Hardware ? | 21:10 |
| brandon420 | actually, no. i did it when i first installed the system it was in the top right hand corner | 21:10 |
| elfy | same thing | 21:10 |
| brandon420 | one of my friends just told me that Karmic upgrade has broken the system clock hummm | 21:11 |
| brandon420 | sound like a possible problem? | 21:11 |
| phillw | elfy: is it sudo update to pull in the latest drivers for 9.0 ? | 21:11 |
| phillw | *9.10* | 21:11 |
| elfy | brandon420: if that is the tsc clocksource you can add to the kernel line to stop that | 21:12 |
| brandon420 | Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -249896593 ns | 21:12 |
| elfy | phillw: and update will update everything yes | 21:12 |
| brandon420 | that is in my kern.log | 21:12 |
| brandon420 | that is the last entry when it crashes, but its always a different number | 21:12 |
| elfy | brandon420: we can deal with that - see if it makes a difference - but I ran kramic as alpha for months with no issue | 21:13 |
| phillw | I've had it on the forum area, where it is sudo update, then disable the vid driver & re-enable it to let the new one take effect | 21:13 |
| elfy | brandon420: was yourinstall a clean one or an upgrade from jaunty? | 21:13 |
| brandon420 | clean | 21:14 |
| elfy | brandon420: Alt+F2 - paste in gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub | 21:19 |
| elfy | find the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line and then add this after splash - make sure there is a space then clocksource=hpet | 21:20 |
| elfy | save the file, then sudo update-grub in a terminal, then reboot | 21:20 |
| pedro3005 | hey elfy | 21:20 |
| elfy | then check the log and see if the tsc error is still there | 21:20 |
| elfy | hi pedro3005 - we got an intermittent fault going on here - complete halt of everything - any ideas you can throw out here | 21:21 |
| pedro3005 | elfy, what do you mean complete halt of everything? | 21:21 |
| pedro3005 | like EVERYTHING? | 21:21 |
| elfy | nothing works at all - no kbd - reboot at wall needed | 21:22 |
| elfy | brandon420: do you have that file? | 21:23 |
| pedro3005 | elfy, not even that Alt + SysRq + REISUB trick? | 21:23 |
| elfy | not os sure about that one - but trying to get a tty fails | 21:24 |
| brandon420 | what file? | 21:24 |
| elfy | brandon420: Alt+F2 - paste in gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub | 21:24 |
| brandon420 | im wrinting this down so i dont get it wrong | 21:24 |
| elfy | that one? | 21:24 |
| elfy | oh - are you not on the machine now? | 21:24 |
| brandon420 | yeah | 21:25 |
| brandon420 | 1 sec | 21:25 |
| brandon420 | what is the command to paste when i dont have a mouse>? | 21:25 |
| brandon420 | crtl v doesnt work | 21:25 |
| elfy | ctrl c then ctrl v I think | 21:26 |
| elfy | or just type it in :) | 21:26 |
| brandon420 | it said that it couldnt open the display | 21:27 |
| elfy | alt+f2 should give you a run dialogue - if it's not then run the command from terminal | 21:28 |
| brandon420 | im actually suprised its lasted this long witout crashing | 21:28 |
| brandon420 | got it | 21:29 |
| brandon420 | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash clocksource=hpet" | 21:31 |
| brandon420 | like that? | 21:31 |
| elfy | yep | 21:31 |
| elfy | save and close | 21:31 |
| elfy | then in terminal sudo update-grub | 21:31 |
| phillw | brandon420: can you boot from USB drive ? | 21:31 |
| brandon420 | yeah | 21:32 |
| brandon420 | and im getting ALOT of errors | 21:32 |
| brandon420 | error: cannot open `/dev/sdb' while attempting to get disk size | 21:32 |
| brandon420 | error: cannot open `/dev/sdb' while attempting to get disk size | 21:32 |
| brandon420 | error: cannot open `/dev/sdb' while attempting to get disk size | 21:32 |
| brandon420 | Found Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition on /dev/sda2 | 21:32 |
| brandon420 | error: cannot open `/dev/sdb' while attempting to get disk size | 21:32 |
| brandon420 | error: cannot open `/dev/sdb' while attempting to get disk size | 21:33 |
| brandon420 | error: cannot open `/dev/sdb' while attempting to get disk size | 21:33 |
| brandon420 | done | 21:33 |
| brandon420 | just a preview | 21:33 |
| brandon420 | sorry guys, didnt know it was gonna do it like that | 21:33 |
| elfy | what did it do that with? | 21:33 |
| brandon420 | when i updated grub | 21:33 |
| brandon420 | shall i restart? | 21:34 |
| elfy | nope | 21:34 |
| brandon420 | lol | 21:34 |
| elfy | what is sdb? | 21:34 |
| brandon420 | your asking me? | 21:35 |
| brandon420 | lol | 21:35 |
| elfy | can you sudo fdisk - l and pastebin it please. | 21:35 |
| elfy | that is a lower case L not a 1 | 21:35 |
| brandon420 | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/fZ6cB5eD | 21:36 |
| elfy | lower case L not a 1 | 21:37 |
| brandon420 | thats what it was | 21:38 |
| brandon420 | sudo fdsisk - l | 21:39 |
| elfy | fdsisk is wrong sudo fdisk -l | 21:39 |
| brandon420 | oh i put a space in fdisk - l | 21:40 |
| brandon420 | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/u2FTMiAy | 21:40 |
| elfy | and run the sudo update-grub command again please | 21:41 |
| elfy | brandon420: how do you connect to the net? | 21:45 |
| brandon420 | want me to paste bin the whole thing? | 21:45 |
| brandon420 | directly | 21:45 |
| brandon420 | 50/10 camcrap | 21:45 |
| brandon420 | comcrap* | 21:45 |
| elfy | pastebin please | 21:46 |
| brandon420 | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/LYiFeXeR | 21:46 |
| elfy | that is extremely odd | 21:48 |
| elfy | brandon420: do you have any usb's plugged in | 21:48 |
| brandon420 | the speaker power cord | 21:49 |
| elfy | fdisk listsd your drives - no sdb - update-grub is trying to find one | 21:49 |
| brandon420 | so could i edit /dev and delete it? | 21:50 |
| brandon420 | just a thought | 21:51 |
| elfy | no - run this please and pastebin it for me | 21:51 |
| elfy | cat /boot/grub/device.map | 21:51 |
| brandon420 | (hd0)/dev/sda | 21:52 |
| brandon420 | (hd1)/dev/sdb | 21:52 |
| elfy | k - sudo cp /boot/grub/device.map /boot/grub/device.map.bak | 21:53 |
| elfy | then gksudo gedit /boot/grub/device.map | 21:53 |
| brandon420 | nothin | 21:53 |
| elfy | put a # at the beginning of the (hd1) line | 21:53 |
| brandon420 | aight? | 21:53 |
| elfy | there would be no response - we just backed up the original | 21:53 |
| brandon420 | ok | 21:54 |
| brandon420 | so i have done that | 21:54 |
| brandon420 | save and update? | 21:54 |
| elfy | save and close | 21:54 |
| elfy | then run sudo update-grub again | 21:54 |
| brandon420 | ok | 21:54 |
| brandon420 | i | 21:54 |
| brandon420 | think | 21:54 |
| brandon420 | i | 21:55 |
| brandon420 | loves | 21:55 |
| brandon420 | chu | 21:55 |
| brandon420 | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/z1E9YiUu | 21:55 |
| brandon420 | so am i good? try the reboot? | 21:56 |
| elfy | ok - reboot and check the log again - I do not really think that this is causing your issues - but best to get things out of the way | 21:57 |
| elfy | but I have to go now - tis night here and I was up at stupid o'clock | 21:57 |
| brandon420 | lol | 21:58 |
| brandon420 | thanks a mill man | 21:58 |
| elfy | remember to run the memtest overnight please | 21:58 |
| brandon420 | ok man | 21:59 |
| yax51 | hello...can anyone help me install my audio drivers? I can't seem to get it working.... | 22:07 |
| pedro3005 | hello yax51 | 22:09 |
| yax51 | hello | 22:09 |
| yax51 | can you help me? | 22:09 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, sure | 22:11 |
| yax51 | ok, so here's the issue, I have download the realtek HD audio drivers for linx, however I can'tseemto figure out how to install them or get my audio to work | 22:13 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, so what are you doing to install the realtek drivers? | 22:13 |
| yax51 | I've unpacked the audio driver package, according to the readme file, and ran the install file, as directed, but my audio still isn't working properly | 22:14 |
| yax51 | I get sound, but its poor quality, and my headphone output doesn't work.... | 22:15 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, try following this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=551615 | 22:16 |
| yax51 | ummm that doesn't make much sense....I am a total noob to this..... | 22:19 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, where are you downloading this driver from? | 22:20 |
| yax51 | he realtek website... | 22:20 |
| yax51 | according to the readme I need to turn on sound support from the kernel config (soundcore module, default turn on) | 22:22 |
| yax51 | and thats where I get lost..... | 22:22 |
| yax51 | sorry, lost connection... | 22:25 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, it's okay | 22:26 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, what have you done thus far? | 22:27 |
| yax51 | I'vebeen following the readme instructions included with the driver, and I've unzipped the source code as directed in step one, step 2 is the sound support kernel.... | 22:28 |
| yax51 | so basically Im right at the beginning...I've tried to run the install, but that apparently didnt do anything | 22:29 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, okay, so let's begin | 22:29 |
| yax51 | ok, thanks!! | 22:30 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, first, is there no drivers to be installed on System > Administration > Hardware Drivers ? | 22:32 |
| yax51 | just my graphics.... | 22:33 |
| yax51 | and those are working.... | 22:33 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, ok. | 22:33 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, can you try to find your card here? http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main | 22:35 |
| yax51 | I can't seem to locate it there, but I think ALC663...if that helps | 22:38 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, run 'cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec' (without the quotes) on a terminal, please | 22:39 |
| yax51 | Codec: Realtek ALC663 | 22:39 |
| yax51 | Codec: Nvidia ID 5 | 22:39 |
| yax51 | that's strange.....it suddenly decided to work....it wasn't working about an hour ago, but now it's working...... | 22:42 |
| phillw | yax51: are you running 9.10 as a system, or within windows ? | 22:42 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, :O | 22:43 |
| phillw | yax51: okies, kewl :-D we'll stop looking ;-) | 22:43 |
| pedro3005 | just as I had found a solution | 22:43 |
| phillw | @ pedro3005.... you must be on the same thread - lol | 22:44 |
| yax51 | I've dual booted 9.10 as a system, with windows vista | 22:44 |
| pedro3005 | phillw, is the one you found on LP? | 22:44 |
| yax51 | Thanks guys I really appreciate all your help!!!! | 22:44 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, if it ever stops working, come back | 22:44 |
| phillw | pedro: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+.../93097 - Cached | 22:45 |
| yax51 | for sure...Im too new to this, and the forums don't make much sense to me at all | 22:45 |
| pedro3005 | phillw, I was on https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/65752 | 22:45 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, we're glad it's working | 22:46 |
| phillw | it's okay yax51, the forums are really good, head over to the beginners section, get the free manual, and we're always here :-) | 22:46 |
| yax51 | I was on that same thread, and tried to go with that solution, but I couldn't get it work, like when I opened the alsa-base in gedit, there was nothing there.... | 22:47 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, yeah it should actually be alsa-base.conf | 22:47 |
| yax51 | tried that too...to no avail... | 22:48 |
| phillw | yax51: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=326 go get the guide :-) | 22:48 |
| pedro3005 | yax51, we'll look into it if ever needed | 22:48 |
| phillw | Audio / Video is here --> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=333 | 22:49 |
| yax51 | cool thanks!! | 22:49 |
| yax51 | you can't find this kind of support with windows at all!! | 22:50 |
| phillw | yax51: windows == computer operated help... Ubuntu == humans ;-) We may be slower, but we do care :-D | 22:51 |
| yax51 | hehehe Thanks again!! | 22:53 |
| phillw | You're Welcome | 22:54 |
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| C-Ray | Hello | 22:58 |
| pedro3005 | hello C-Ray | 22:58 |
| C-Ray | Hey! How are you? Please I was wondering if i have a question concerning my webcam where shall i ask? | 22:59 |
| phillw | C-Ray: ask away :-) | 22:59 |
| C-Ray | So here is the right place? | 22:59 |
| pedro3005 | C-Ray, yes | 23:00 |
| C-Ray | oh Thanks! Actually, i upgrated my system from Ubuntu 9.04 to Ubuntu 9.10 and my webcam went blur while trying to connect it again. I want to check if it is a hardware issue (from my webcam) or a software issue | 23:01 |
| pedro3005 | C-Ray, most likely software | 23:01 |
| pedro3005 | did you have to do any tricks on 9.04 to get it to work or it just worked? | 23:02 |
| C-Ray | no tricks at all just worked | 23:02 |
| pedro3005 | C-Ray, so you could try getting a 9.04 live cd and testing it | 23:02 |
| C-Ray | I was testing it under (Cheese Webcam Blooth) | 23:03 |
| phillw | C-Ray: what make / model of web cam is it, also what make / model computer would help. | 23:03 |
| C-Ray | ok if it works under ubuntu 9.04 what should i do? any suggestions please? | 23:03 |
| pedro3005 | C-Ray, we'd have to research a bit | 23:03 |
| C-Ray | sure let me give you some details if possible | 23:04 |
| pedro3005 | C-Ray, possibly what phillw asked would be useful ;) | 23:04 |
| C-Ray | My Webcam is: eTek 1.3M Pixels - A Chinese webcam | 23:05 |
| C-Ray | without any number | 23:06 |
| C-Ray | i didn't find any number on it | 23:06 |
| phillw | C-Ray: and you upgraded to 9.10 from 9.04 ? | 23:06 |
| phillw | not a clean 9.10 install ? | 23:06 |
| C-Ray | Yes from 9.04 | 23:06 |
| C-Ray | not a clean install | 23:06 |
| phillw | okies, let us go look for you :-) | 23:08 |
| C-Ray | Thanks a lot! xD | 23:09 |
| C-Ray | From where i can access my system specification? | 23:12 |
| C-Ray | i would like to give you more details | 23:12 |
| C-Ray | there was a command for it i think | 23:13 |
| pedro3005 | C-Ray, well if the cam is USB you can try lsusb | 23:13 |
| C-Ray | yes it is usb | 23:14 |
| C-Ray | what is lsusb? | 23:14 |
| pedro3005 | C-Ray, a command | 23:14 |
| C-Ray | ok | 23:14 |
| C-Ray | i will try it | 23:14 |
| C-Ray | Here are the info | 23:15 |
| C-Ray | Bus 002 Device 003: ID 058f:3820 Alcor Micro Corp. | 23:15 |
| C-Ray | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub | 23:15 |
| C-Ray | Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub | 23:15 |
| C-Ray | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 03f0:171d Hewlett-Packard Wireless (Bluetooth + WLAN) Interface [Integrated Module] | 23:15 |
| C-Ray | Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub | 23:15 |
| C-Ray | Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub | 23:15 |
| C-Ray | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub | 23:15 |
| C-Ray | Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub | 23:15 |
| C-Ray | Bus 006 Device 002: ID 09da:000a A4 Tech Co., Ltd Port Mouse | 23:15 |
| C-Ray | Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub | 23:15 |
| pedro3005 | phillw, well I don't think the cam is even being seen. what do you say? | 23:16 |
| pedro3005 | also | 23:16 |
| pedro3005 | !paste | C-Ray | 23:16 |
| Votebot | C-Ray: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | 23:16 |
| phillw | I agree, | 23:16 |
| C-Ray | sorry | 23:16 |
| pedro3005 | C-Ray, np | 23:16 |
| phillw | Votebot: yeah, so he's a beginner - bugga off !!!1 | 23:17 |
| pedro3005 | It's okay, just don't let ibuclaw find out ;) | 23:17 |
| phillw | C-Ray: I cannot see anything I can help you with. This is not a 'pass the buck' situation, but could you post the question over here --> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 They're more used to handling errant web-cams | 23:18 |
| phillw | If you get no joy, I'll gladly go chase it for you. | 23:19 |
| C-Ray | ok thanks for that! just i was wondering if it is from the cam itself or not (hardware issue). | 23:19 |
| phillw | @ pedro3005 I'll set bhodi on him :P | 23:20 |
| C-Ray | :) | 23:20 |
| pedro3005 | oh no! | 23:20 |
| pedro3005 | not bodhi_zazen | 23:20 |
| phillw | C-Ray: There is a sticky on there, but it is the main area for cams etc. | 23:20 |
| pedro3005 | please, don't let him unleash his fury on us poor mortals | 23:21 |
| phillw | @ pedro3005 he said "Hi" to me the other day, I nearly soiled myself !!! | 23:21 |
| C-Ray | ok... though i can't understand what are talking about :) | 23:22 |
| pedro3005 | bodhi_zazen, have mercy on our souls | 23:22 |
| C-Ray | who is bodhi_zazen? | 23:22 |
| C-Ray | a user? | 23:22 |
| pedro3005 | C-Ray, pray as hard as you can that you will never have to find out ;) | 23:22 |
| C-Ray | am curious now... who he is? | 23:23 |
| phillw | C-Ray: if you have a look at the sticky on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 Or, just post a request on there | 23:23 |
| C-Ray | yeah sure i will... Thanks to you | 23:23 |
| pedro3005 | C-Ray, bodhi_zazen is just some dude and we're poking fun of it | 23:24 |
| phillw | bodhi_zazen: is our Lord and Master, he is amongst the best - it was he who started this channel off & Wow betide someone who does wrong upon it | 23:24 |
| C-Ray | i see... he must be famous | 23:24 |
| pedro3005 | I both love and fear bodhi_zazen | 23:24 |
| C-Ray | good for you | 23:24 |
| phillw | C-Ray: if bodhi_zazen tells you how to sort a problem out, take it that it will work. also if ibuclaw says how to ... In them we trust, God has to wait ;-) | 23:25 |
| C-Ray | Wao! That dude must be something! one more question please - what is the best open source program for encryption of text under ubuntu? | 23:26 |
| C-Ray | do you have any idea? | 23:26 |
| C-Ray | please | 23:26 |
| phillw | C-r | 23:26 |
| C-Ray | C-r? for free this one right? open source | 23:27 |
| phillw | C-Ray: yeah, we have a system of fully encrypting stuff | 23:27 |
| phillw | provate | 23:27 |
| phillw | private and public keys. | 23:27 |
| C-Ray | I want an open source simple one for text not an online version | 23:28 |
| C-Ray | is there any? | 23:28 |
| C-Ray | "provate" | 23:29 |
| phillw | yeah, but you haven't said what you need it for ? | 23:29 |
| C-Ray | for encypting .txt files | 23:29 |
| phillw | provate == spelling mistake | 23:29 |
| C-Ray | no probs | 23:29 |
| phillw | and, how do you wish the recipient to decode them ? | 23:30 |
| C-Ray | using a key of text maybe.... i don't really mind, there are many ways, i prefer the one with a file | 23:30 |
| C-Ray | (a key file) | 23:31 |
| C-Ray | there are some javascript based ones right? | 23:32 |
| C-Ray | simple ones | 23:32 |
| phillw | do you want to encrypt the file so only someone with a password can do it, or do you want the whole hog of hashed systems and swapping public and personal passwords ? | 23:32 |
| C-Ray | anything... i prefer the latter though | 23:33 |
| phillw | well, you can zip a file up with a password. | 23:33 |
| C-Ray | btw, thanks for helping | 23:33 |
| phillw | Is one way. It just depends upon how sensitive the information in the zip file is. If you just want to keep the average person from extracting the file, then the zip password would probably be enough. | 23:33 |
| C-Ray | well that's what i was doing | 23:34 |
| ibuclaw | phillw, the mere mentioning that you suggest I come second to bodhi_zazen ... | 23:34 |
| pedro3005 | OH SHI- | 23:34 |
| pedro3005 | IBUCLAW | 23:34 |
| ibuclaw | I have nothing to say | 23:34 |
| pedro3005 | RUN FOR YOUR LIVES | 23:34 |
| phillw | oh Sh1t >>>>>> Runs | 23:34 |
| C-Ray | hehe | 23:35 |
| phillw | Hi ibuclaw, can you explain to C-Ray what system he should use | 23:35 |
| C-Ray | hello ibuclaw! | 23:36 |
| C-Ray | it sounds more like abo-claw which means the father of claw or the owner of the claw | 23:36 |
| C-Ray | anyway, i was asking about some javascript based encyption programs | 23:37 |
| C-Ray | please anyone can help? | 23:37 |
| C-Ray | since the only answer i received here is encypting using .zip | 23:39 |
| C-Ray | this is strange though, there must be an open source program for handling different algorithms of encryption | 23:39 |
| pedro3005 | C-Ray, hm, well, I don't know much about that, but looking through the software center | 23:39 |
| ibuclaw | C-Ray, gnupg? :) | 23:39 |
| Silver_Fox_ | gnupg perhaps. | 23:40 |
| pedro3005 | C-Ray, yeah what they said | 23:40 |
| C-Ray | The GNU Privacy Guard | 23:40 |
| C-Ray | ? | 23:40 |
| C-Ray | it sounds great! | 23:41 |
| C-Ray | thnaks | 23:41 |
| C-Ray | *thanks | 23:41 |
| * Silver_Fox_ slinks away again | 23:41 | |
| ibuclaw | I forget the package name | 23:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | You have many options for encryption, from directories to files | 23:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | vim will encrypt | 23:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | bcrypt | 23:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | gpg | 23:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | LUKS | 23:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | ecryptfs | 23:41 |
| ibuclaw | seahorse-plugins | 23:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | http://bcrypt.sourceforge.net/ | 23:41 |
| ibuclaw | that adds encryptions options via right-click in nautilus | 23:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | bcrypt is nice as it is X platform, and it is CLI only =) | 23:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | Truecrypt is also cross platform | 23:42 |
| ibuclaw | Truecrypt is also on an ugly license | 23:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | but you need admin access on the Windows box | 23:42 |
| C-Ray | oh thanks so much! That's a huge list! I prefer just open source ones | 23:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | http://bodhizazen.net/Tutorials/Ecryptfs/ | 23:43 |
| pedro3005 | phillw, bodhi_zazen vs. ibuclaw , shit's going down man | 23:43 |
| ibuclaw | Ecryptfs is great for protecting data. | 23:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-how-to-encrypt-and-decrypt-files-with-a-password.html | 23:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | LOL pedro3005 | 23:43 |
| C-Ray | gnupg it is good? | 23:44 |
| ibuclaw | C-Ray, for encrypting files for, ie: email, yes. | 23:44 |
| phillw | pedro3005: sits in a corner, wasn't expecting both on at the same time :::frightened::: | 23:44 |
| C-Ray | I think i have a huge list right now! Thanks so much for the amazing info | 23:45 |
| C-Ray | i think i will write all names and then i will carry out an evaluation myself | 23:45 |
| C-Ray | that was awesome | 23:45 |
| C-Ray | :) | 23:45 |
| bodhi_zazen | http://tom.noflag.org.uk/cryptkeeper.html | 23:46 |
| bodhi_zazen | And http://www.keepassx.org/ | 23:46 |
| bodhi_zazen | keypassx is also cross platform | 23:46 |
| pedro3005 | phillw, I'm saying my last prayers | 23:47 |
| pedro3005 | we're all doomed | 23:47 |
| C-Ray | I am Debain user! I don't care about cross-platform! but still very good to know. Thanks so much :D | 23:47 |
| C-Ray | I wrote all links :) amazing | 23:48 |
| bodhi_zazen | The apps ibuclaw lists are either the defaults in Ubuntu or closer to the defaults then most of the stuff I gave you | 23:48 |
| bodhi_zazen | but between all those you will find an option that fits most any need | 23:48 |
| C-Ray | yeah indeed! you just gave me great names | 23:49 |
| C-Ray | i was searching through google but i didn't find effective results like those | 23:49 |
| C-Ray | thanks again for all the efforts :) | 23:50 |
| bodhi_zazen | Well, cross platform can be a consideration ... | 23:50 |
| bodhi_zazen | C-Ray: that was nothing, we have more ;P | 23:50 |
| C-Ray | oh... more!!! | 23:50 |
| ibuclaw | C-Ray, one more thing.... :P | 23:50 |
| ibuclaw | http://savvyadmin.com/gnupg-context-menu-options-for-gnome-nautilus/ | 23:50 |
| C-Ray | cool! that's really cool! | 23:51 |
| C-Ray | please since the pros are here: Is clonezilla is a good program for cloning? or you have better suggestions? | 23:52 |
| bodhi_zazen | Nothing wrong with the 'zilla | 23:53 |
| C-Ray | yeah, it is great! just i was wondering about this question | 23:53 |
| C-Ray | because my friend was asking | 23:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | I use partimage | 23:53 |
| C-Ray | open source right? | 23:53 |
| ibuclaw | C-Ray, what he said | 23:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/partimage | 23:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | yep | 23:54 |
| ibuclaw | http://www.partimage.org/ | 23:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | it breaks the image into CD / DVD size chunks and you can back up to a central server | 23:54 |
| C-Ray | it looks good! thanks so much | 23:54 |
| ibuclaw | I think the thing that levers clonezilla over partimage is if you need multicasting | 23:55 |
| C-Ray | i don't need multicasting... i mean i don't use it at the moment | 23:56 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Are we not forgetting PING ? | 23:56 |
| C-Ray | ping? | 23:56 |
| Silver_Fox_ | http://ping.windowsdream.com/ping.html | 23:56 |
| ibuclaw | Silver_Fox_, dd =รพ | 23:57 |
| C-Ray | thanks! i noted this down | 23:57 |
| phillw | pybackback has also been mentioned | 23:57 |
| C-Ray | cool | 23:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | C-Ray: The best thing 'bout Linux - you have choice 8) | 23:58 |
| C-Ray | indeed - open source choice | 23:58 |
| Silver_Fox_ | I personally would go with clonezilla | 23:59 |
| phillw | bodhi_zazen: and the worst thing 'bout Linux - you have a choice ;-) | 23:59 |
| Silver_Fox_ | But choice is good | 23:59 |
| C-Ray | yeah, i like choice | 23:59 |
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