seb128robert_ancell, hey00:05
robert_ancellseb128, hey00:08
seb128robert_ancell, how are you?00:09
seb128robert_ancell, thanks for the gdm email, I didn't have time to look at that today though :-(00:09
seb128robert_ancell, pitti said that setuid not working on script is by design00:10
seb128robert_ancell, and asked if we could make the server do the calls rather than adding a wrapper00:10
robert_ancellseb128, yeah, I know the feeling!00:10
seb128robert_ancell, since we already have the communication with the server and it has the priviledge required to change user00:10
seb128what do you think?00:10
robert_ancellseb128, the problem is the server is running as root, and we need to run as gdm.  We could get the server to run setuid gdm00:11
robert_ancellI mean we get the server to run that program I showed you basically00:11
seb128robert_ancell, well pitti said "seteuid(gdm); g_spawn_async(); seteuid(0)"00:11
robert_ancellseb128, sure.00:12
robert_ancellbtw, I never knew a process had so many uids...00:12
seb128what do you mean?00:12
robert_ancellseb128, uid, effective uid, saved uid00:13
seb128ah, I didn't know that either00:14
seb128robert_ancell, anyway same as yesterday, if you do any work on that today drop me an email otherwise I will try to block some time for it again tomorrow00:15
RAOFOh, this is going to be a 64bitness issue, isn't it. :(01:17
lifelessisn't it always?01:18
RAOFNo, not recently :)01:19
chrisccoulsonkenvandine - how is bindwood meant to work? is it just meant to sync my bookmarks to couchdb automatically, or do i have to set something up? (i can't see any extra options in the firefox UI, and I don't see any bookmarks in couchdb either)01:34
brycehheh, just finished going through all the bugs I have reported that are still open.  I found a quarter of them I could close as fixed but see I never got a response from anyone.  Dunno to be happy or sad.01:45
RAOFOk.  Why is this perfectly valid pointer getting nulled before it hits the signal handler?01:47
kenvandinechrisccoulson, it just syncs01:51
kenvandineyou should be able to enable/disable it in the ubuntuone-preferences01:51
kenvandinei think01:51
chrisccoulsonah, the checkbox in the preference is inactive and insensitive too01:52
chrisccoulsonthat's probably why it doesn't do anything01:52
kenvandineit is for me too01:53
kenvandinenot sure what's up with that01:53
Nafairickspencer3: Sorry I missed you earlier02:25
rickspencer3Nafai np02:29
rickspencer3turns out my issue was with my own stupidity02:29
rickspencer3which is what normally is the course of things around here ;)02:29
NafaiKnow the feeling :)02:30
pittiGood morning06:45
pittibryceh: intel 2.10> thanks, so it doesn't look overly important then? And I guess you want to keep UMS?06:45
pittirobert_ancell: uids> don't forget the fs uid :)06:46
robert_ancellpitti, I didn't dig deep enough to see that one! :)06:47
pittirobert_ancell: real and effective uid are the most interesting ones, usually; fs uid (file system access) is usually the same as euid06:48
pittirobert_ancell: and "saved" just means the one you can get back to06:49
robert_ancellpitti, what is the reason for all of them?  Why not just one UID?06:49
pittirobert_ancell: e. g. a root process can do setreuid(1000, 1000)06:49
pittirobert_ancell: but keeps '0' as saved uid, so that the process can do setreuid(0,0) later on06:49
pittii. e. just as a flag that _this_ process can become root again, while a 'normal' uid 1000 process can't06:49
robert_ancellpitti, complex06:50
pittirobert_ancell: I don't know -- two would certainly be enough (the saved one is really just an implementation detail, you can't manipulate it directly)06:50
RAOFOk, that's enough f-spot for the afternoon.07:32
RAOFpitti: Can I have a bit of an induction talk about bug flow in an hour or two?  I need to do the washing up now, but after that... :)07:36
pittiRAOF: yes, we can do that07:36
* RAOF -> washing up07:37
didrocksgood morning08:03
will__anyone can help with my desktop08:39
seb128#ubuntu might08:42
will__seb can u help with nautilus08:42
will__and my desktop08:43
seb128try #ubuntu08:47
seb128this channel is not an user question one08:47
will__no luck08:47
will__dont suppose you know about nautilus scripts do you08:48
seb128again you are on the wrong channel08:49
will__ok well thanks08:49
didrocksseb128: hey, how are you?08:54
seb128didrocks, hey, just getting some coffeee08:57
seb128I will tell you afterward08:57
seb128but apparently good ;-)08:57
pittibonjour seb12808:57
didrockscoffee? good idea, doing same :)08:57
seb128hey pitti, how are you?08:57
didrocksseb128: yeah, I'm fine, thanks :)08:57
pittiseb128: I'm great! nothing lifts the mood like fixing a bug :)08:57
seb128pitti, fixing 2 bugs do! ;-)08:58
didrocksseb128: when you will get back from you coffee, you can sync gst-plugins-bad0.10 from debian unstable :)08:58
seb128didrocks, weird08:58
pittiseb128: I'm at it :) the next fix is already committed, working on bug #3 and #4 now :)08:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 3 in rosetta "Custom information for each translation team" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 4 in rosetta "Importing finished po doesn't change progressbar" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408:58
didrocksseb128: there was an added plugin which has been reverted, and the only -dev diff remaining (arch specific) has been removed in the new version08:58
* pitti hugs ubottu08:59
seb128didrocks, don't we have changes because we move the farsight code to good for empathy?08:59
seb128didrocks, ie .install hacked to not installed those since they are in good now?08:59
didrocksseb128: oh, let me have a double check so, I should be wrong08:59
seb128didrocks, thanks09:00
seb128didrocks, that's the .good diff we have09:01
didrocksseb128: ok, my bad so, sorry. I tried with branches but I didn't saw the diff in .install files, only the dep things. Fixing it now09:02
seb128didrocks, np, thanks ;-)09:05
seb128pitti, btw we didn't really discuss the gst-ffmpeg issue the other day09:08
seb128pitti, you replied that you would prefer not having a copy but I'm not sure it was a real reply to the question considering the issue and options or just a "copying code sucks"09:09
pittiseb128: hm, I'm afraid I don't remember that at all -- what's the problem?09:09
seb128ok, so summary09:10
seb128gst-ffmpeg upstream says their code is neither tested nor meant to work with ffmpeg 0.509:10
seb128which is the system version we have09:10
seb128so we are in a situation or we either09:10
seb128- use the system ffmpeg 0.5 for gst-ffmpeg , which will lead to quite some crashing situations09:11
seb128- switch gst-ffmpeg to use it's ffmpeg copy which is known to work09:11
pittihm, I don't think we ever discussed that09:12
pittiseb128: which version does gst-ffmpeg work with?09:12
pittithis code is quite security sensitive, so code copies here would suck indeed09:12
seb128pitti, I pinged you but that's the day you were having for the morning09:12
seb128pitti, you did a quick "copies suck" reply when coming back09:12
seb128I was not sure if you read the discussion with siretart I had or not09:12
pittiseb128: do we need a newer ffmpeg for this or an older one?09:13
pittiI didn't, no09:13
seb128newer or older I don't know09:13
seb128my guess would be older09:13
seb128they tend to play slow catching up on ffmpeg09:13
pittiso perhaps we should downgrade ffmpeg then?09:13
pittior has this already been discussed?09:13
seb128that's not like gst-ffmpeg was the only ffmpeg user09:14
seb128no, I didn't think siretart would consider that a valid option09:14
seb128ffmpeg 0.5 is probably better and they just backported required changes for kde and other things I think09:14
seb128maybe we should move that to #ubuntu-devel and discuss it with siretart09:15
pittiseb128: ok, seems lucid is good wrt to that then?09:30
seb128pitti, as said on the other channel I'm confused09:30
seb128pitti, the discussion shifted to that security in ffmpeg one09:31
pittiright, but I thought we settled that lucid's gst-ffmpeg was patched to work with 0.5?09:31
seb128pitti, but what I understood the other day is that what we have for gst-ffmpeg is neither tested nor meant to work with the ffmpeg we have09:31
seb128and that upstream commends against using it09:31
seb128pitti, sirestart said he would come back to that after the security discussion, let's wait09:32
istazseb128: I don't know if you have seen but new telepathy-butterfly has A/V disabled http://blog.staz.be/index.php?post/2010/03/10/Telepathy-butterrfly-0.5.5-released09:32
seb128istaz, no, I didn't, thanks, reading09:32
seb128istaz, ok, good to know, I will get those updates in lucid, thanks for the notice and the bug fixing work ;-)09:34
chrisccoulsonhey RAOF - are you having any luck getting gjs built?10:16
chrisccoulsonhey pitti - do you know whats going on with http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40773332/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.openjdk-6_6b18~pre2-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz10:21
chrisccoulsonall the armel builds in main pulling in xulrunner-1.9.2 are failing, like it's not been promoted to main yet10:21
asacchrisccoulson: xulrunner-1.9.2-dev is in universe10:21
asacah right10:21
asacits not promoted10:21
asac11:18 < asac>  Filename: pool/universe/x/xulrunner-1.9.2/xulrunner-1.9.2-dev_1.9.2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_armel.deb10:22
pittichrisccoulson: hm, it is in main10:22
chrisccoulsonasac - that only applies to armel does it?10:22
asacnot sure. all i see its in universe pool here on armel ;)10:22
asacand it finished 2 days ago10:22
asacBinary only demotions to universe10:23
asac ---------------------------------10:23
asaco xulrunner-1.9.2-gnome-support xulrunner-1.9.2-testsuite   {xulrunner-1.9.2}10:23
asacnot sure if that has something to do with it10:23
pittioh, indeed10:29
pittixulrunner-1.9.2-dev | 1.9.2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 |         lucid | amd64, i386, powerpc, sparc10:29
pittixulrunner-1.9.2-dev | 1.9.2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 | lucid/universe | armel10:29
* pitti promotes10:29
pittiasac, chrisccoulson: so, these can be retried in 90 mins10:30
asacdoes that take some time before we can retry failed builds?10:30
asacah ok ;)10:30
chrisccoulsonpitti - thanks10:30
chrisccoulsonasac - will you be able to retry those? i can't retry builds in main, even for packages i can upload ;)10:30
asacchrisccoulson: you can upload packages to main?10:31
chrisccoulsonasac - i can upload anything in the ubuntu-desktop package set10:31
chrisccoulsonwhich includes some components in main10:31
asacyeah. so doko will retry. if you dont see that happening just ping me10:32
asacdo you have more build failures spotted?10:32
chrisccoulsonasac - it was only the armel ones so far10:34
asacchrisccoulson: yes, but which?10:36
asaci guess all in main ;)10:36
chrisccoulsonasac - yelp, gnome-python-extras and couchdb10:36
asacwill retry those10:37
asachmmm ... libindicate ftbfs across the board11:03
seb128asac, known issue with gir, should be fixed for today's weekly dx updates11:05
RAOFchrisccoulson: No luck so far.11:05
RAOFpitti: Is now a good time?11:05
chrisccoulsonRAOF - don't worry about it too much if it's getting late for you now11:06
chrisccoulsoni'll probably set aside some time this afternoon to look at that if you like11:06
RAOFI'm happy to do it tomorrow, but I won't get to it tonight.11:07
chrisccoulsonRAOF - no worries, thanks11:11
pittiRAOF: hi! yes, can do11:22
pittiRAOF: sorry for the lag, too much IRC this morning11:22
seb128pitti, same here11:25
seb128speaking of which lunch time11:25
seb128I've some shopping to do and grabbing something to eat on the way there11:25
seb128I'm away for a good hour at least11:26
pittiseb128: enjoy!11:26
seb128pitti, thanks, you too ;-)11:26
didrocksenjoy seb128 :)11:31
sabdflwho's the best person to talk with about adding http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ambiance-theme-for-google-chromechromium.html to the chromium package?12:13
hyperairwhat's the correct package for filing bugs about default keyboard shortcuts?12:16
chrisccoulsonhyperair - it depends on which shortcut it is12:20
hyperairchrisccoulson: someone was complaining about control+alt+del12:23
chrisccoulsonyeah, i just noticed12:23
chrisccoulsonthat currently reboots the machine doesn't it?12:23
hyperairi'm not sure what that does12:23
hyperairi think in X it doesn't do anything12:24
framliIn Gnome, it opens a window for shutdown, reboot, logout.12:26
chrisccoulsonright, and that makes more sense12:26
hyperairwell i'll let you explain that then =p12:27
chrisccoulsonhyperair, i just closed it with a comment12:28
* hyperair claps12:28
framliI think that the recent complaint is about it being incoherent for users that are used to windows ctrl alt del. BTW, what does apple alt del does in OsX ?12:31
* hyperair wonders12:32
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=== tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter
* Keybuk presses the Enter key happily13:15
ograupload !13:16
didrocks+1 :)13:16
KeybukI haven't even committed the changes yet13:19
Keybuklet alone sent them upstream13:19
Keybukor merged them into our package13:19
Keybukor fixed the packaging13:19
Keybukand I actually need to check a patch that slangasek added too13:21
asacseb128: could you poke someone from evolution upstream to look at patch in gnome bug 585577 ?13:26
ubottuGnome bug 585577 in Mailer "wrong FROM in the envelope during SMTP negociation when using multiple accounts" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58557713:26
asacbryceh: i plan to upload something like: http://pastebin.com/M5i4tAGH ... so you are prepared13:30
asacif you prefer me to give you a debdiff or commit somewhere let me know13:30
baptistemmasac, hi, if you still look at bluez, I did 4.61 --> bug 53470213:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 534702 in bluez "Update bluez to 4.61" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53470213:32
asacbaptistemm: can you attach a full upstream diff please?13:33
asacneed to check fi we need a FFe13:33
seb128asac, ok13:35
asacif they stay unresponsive we should include the patch i think to make fta a bit happier13:35
baptistemmasac, full upstream diff ? you want a dediff ?13:38
asacwell. either full debdiff or upstream diff13:39
asaci want to check what upstream changes were done to figure if we need FFe13:39
asaci read the changelog13:39
asacwant to check what that involves13:39
asacif its a one liner to "support X" then its fine13:39
asacif it adds considerable stuff we should check with release13:39
baptistemmtoo lame we had to defer 4.6013:41
asacbut lets first look ;)13:42
pedro_chrisccoulson, hello there, are you taking care of yelp ?13:44
seb128hey pedro_13:44
pedro_bonjour seb128!13:44
seb128pedro_, nobody is really on charge of that one, why?13:44
baptistemmhi pedro_13:45
baptistemmpedro_, what wh/j #ubuntu-bugs13:45
pedro_seb128, we're having a crash on exit , bug 53516813:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 535168 in yelp "yelp crashed with signal 5 in _XError()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53516813:45
pedro_hello baptistemm!13:45
seb128pedro_, bug #52816913:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 528169 in yelp "yelp crashed with signal 5 in _XError()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52816913:45
chrisccoulsonhi pedro_, i'm not really taking care of yelp13:45
chrisccoulsonhow come?13:45
seb128pedro_, reopen this one and dup, it was assigned to the canonical team13:45
seb128pedro_, or if there is too many dups just assign the new one to canonical-desktop-team13:46
seb128with a comment saying it's the same issue13:46
pedro_seb128, sounds better i don't want to spam too many people, will do the last13:46
pedro_thanks folks13:46
seb128pedro_, how are you otherwise?13:46
pedro_seb128, good good , trying to catching up with everything post holidays/earthquake , thanks for asking13:47
pedro_seb128, how's everything there ? are you still having snow?13:47
seb128things are good there13:48
seb128no snow anymore no13:48
seb128at least not in this part of the country13:48
seb128the south had some still some days ago13:48
seb128not sure if they are done with it now13:48
didrocksseb128: not yet from last news13:48
didrockshey pedro_ o/13:48
seb128it's quite sunny there in fact13:49
seb128but still cold, and windy13:49
pedro_bonjour didrocks!13:49
didrockssame in Paris, some sun for once \o/13:49
chrisccoulsonwe've got some sun here too, which is quite unusual!13:49
pedro_sunny and cold hehe that's weird ;-)13:49
chrisccoulsonpedro_ - can you recreate the yelp crash easily?13:50
pedro_chrisccoulson, yup, i'm able to reproduce it every time13:51
chrisccoulsonpedro_ - before anybody gets a change to look at it, it might be worth getting a xtrace log13:51
chrisccoulsonhave you used xtrace before?13:51
pedro_chrisccoulson, yeah for getting other logs, is something like xtrace -D:9 -d:0 -k 2>&1 | tee ~/xtrace.log  ; enough for the crash there?13:53
chrisccoulsonpedro_ - yeah, that's fine. it might be helpful when somebody comes to look at the bug13:53
seb128chrisccoulson, don't bother too much about this one right now, it's on the canonical list we will pick on it later13:53
pedro_chrisccoulson, ok , i'll attach the log shortly13:53
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i wasn't intending to spend any time looking at that today13:54
seb128ok, good13:54
pedro_chrisccoulson, xtrace log added13:55
chrisccoulsonpedro_, thanks13:56
pedro_thank you ;-)13:56
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chrisccoulsonwow, xorg locked up quite hard there14:14
pittidoes anyone use anjuta here?14:23
seb128pitti, I try it every now and then but not regularly, why?14:24
pittiwe need somebody to test it with gdb 7.114:24
tedgpitti: I think that MacSlow does.14:24
pittijust to see whether it generally still works14:24
pittitedg: thanks14:24
pittiMacSlow: do you fancy trying anjuta with a new gdb version? we need to know if it still generally works (there's a PPA for it)14:25
MacSlowpitti, yeah I do14:29
MacSlowpitti, I can do it... but I have to do a test/branch upload first... and a phone-conf in about 30 min.14:30
pittiMacSlow: not that urgent; the PPA is described in bug 535179, it would be great if you could just followup there?14:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 535179 in gdb "FFE for lucid - gdb-7.1 (or gdb-" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53517914:30
MacSlowpitti, but if you hand me the link to the PPA I can give anjuta/gdb 7.1 a try later this afternoon... if that good enough for you14:30
MacSlowpitti, ok14:30
pittiMacSlow: *hug*, thanks14:31
MacSlowpitti, is' doch klar :)14:31
LaserJockdidrocks: beta1 freeze is today?14:31
didrocksLaserJock: right, I was preparing the new releases of each components14:33
LaserJockdidrocks: how close are you for netbook-launcer?14:34
ograpitti, hey ho14:35
* pitti waves to ogra14:35
ograpitti, there is bug 517300 i'D like to talk to you about based on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-likewise-open-migration this seems to be desktop land now14:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 517300 in likewise-open "[armel] likewise-open needs porting to ARM" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51730014:35
ograpitti, so it seems the desktop team is responsible for it now, we have a patch but there is copyright assignment etc involved that should be handled centrally by the team/person who is responsible14:36
pittiogra: hm, that doesn't sound like something that we can do for lucid, though14:37
didrocksLaserJock: I'm merging and testing right to left support and then, I'll release in something like 2 hours, I guess, why?14:37
pittiogra: oh, you mean to get it upstream?14:37
LaserJockdidrocks: I was going to sit down to work on bug #45514314:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 455143 in netbook-remix-launcher ""Change desktop background" menu only appears when right-clicking within "Favourites"" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45514314:38
ograpitti, hmm ? its fixed and all, its just upstream conversation thats missing ... we're even happy to help testing in the mobile team (since nobody else has HW) we just want to ghave the right people as drivers on it14:38
pittiogra: ah, I'm happy to ping upstream about that one14:38
didrocksLaserJock: I've targetted it for beta1 as an opportunity, if you have something working, we can merge it until Monday I would say14:38
ograpitti, so can i move it from server team to desktop team ? (the bug i mean)14:38
ograpitti, if testing is required, Gruemaster has an AD setup and ARM boards to help testing14:39
pittiogra: okay (but might get moved to b2)14:39
NCommanderpitti: upstream been pinged and we even got the copyright assignment stuff done. what we lack is someone who knows how to properly use it :-)14:39
LaserJockdidrocks: ok, I just didn't want to mess you up by not having it ready14:39
pittiNCommander: use what? likewise-open?14:39
LaserJockdidrocks: but I had a lot of work and real life stuff come up14:39
ograpitti, not urgent, but the mobile team has a commitment that we clear mian FTBFS until release for ARM14:40
pittino idea about how to set it up, etc., I'm afraid; nobody in the desktop team has ever touched it14:40
didrocksLaserJock: no, even if it doesn't make it for beta 1, it's not a big deal, I would say. It's just a nice to have feature. No pb, daily work first :-)14:40
didrocksLaserJock: thanks for working on that ;)14:40
LaserJockdidrocks: it's fine as long as I'm not blocking you or making you miss targets14:41
LaserJockso I'll keep plugging away14:41
didrocksLaserJock: sure, thanks ;)14:41
pittiogra, NCommander: so, to understand the status of this, what's blocking the upload?14:42
ograpitti, upstream approval and testing14:42
pittiogra: ok, I see14:42
pittilooks harmless enough, anyway14:43
ograpitti, but i wonder if we can even keep it in main if nobody ever tested it through lucid14:44
ograhow are we supporting that for 3 years ?14:44
pittiogra: upstream tested it14:44
pitti(isntalls, upgrades, etc.)14:44
pittiogra: I'm not sure; it got MIRed by the server team, and then abandoned14:46
pitti(bug 201537 )14:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 201537 in likewise-open "MIR for likewise-open" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20153714:46
pittiso we might eventually demote it back, yes14:46
ograthat doesnt sound like a good package for an LTS14:47
pittirickspencer3: ^ do you know whether we have any commercial commitment to likewise-open to keep it in main?14:47
rickspencer3pitti, I'm not sure14:48
rickspencer3what is the problem?14:48
* rickspencer3 reads up14:48
pittirickspencer3: it was originally MIRed by server team, then abandoned, and now nobody is responsible for it any more14:48
pittibut still in main14:48
rickspencer3can we "be responsible" for it?14:48
LaserJockdidrocks: I need like a UML or mindmap of netbook-launcer, it's really not clear where things are sometimes14:49
ograrickspencer3, ^^^ according to that you are :)14:49
rickspencer3ogra, ack14:49
ograrickspencer3, but it doesnt really feel like a package for an LTS if nobody in the teams tests or uses it14:49
pittirickspencer3: if we get someone who has time and hard/software to deal with it, sure :)14:49
rickspencer3pitti, oh fudge14:49
pittirickspencer3: I just know that nobody in the desktop team ever touched it so far14:49
rickspencer3I was really expecting the Likewise guys to be more involved14:49
rickspencer3let me jiggle the handle on it14:50
pittirickspencer3: well, we don't have an immediate problem with it14:50
pittirickspencer3: we have that arm patch, which looks very reasonable; I can ping Garry to review/apply it14:50
pittiand I'm sure that will go well14:50
* ogra would like to get bug 517300 off the mobile team sholders though14:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 517300 in likewise-open "[armel] likewise-open needs porting to ARM" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51730014:50
pittirickspencer3: I was just interested in a more long-term setup14:50
didrocksLaserJock: right, and there is none TBH :) I'm mostly grepping the code to find where to put things. From what I saw, favorite view is not the same than other apps views (and folder view is separated as well)14:50
rickspencer3pitti, right14:50
rickspencer3my expectation was that the LW team would be a bit more involved14:51
rickspencer3I am following up now14:51
seb128hey ric14:51
seb128hey rickspencer314:51
rickspencer3hi seb12814:51
pittirickspencer3: ok, so the expectation is that they'll support it themselves; that's fair enough14:51
pittirickspencer3: I just wondered about the current state/arrangement14:52
rickspencer3pitti,  me too14:52
LaserJockdidrocks: yeah, I'm confused about how each of the non-standard categories are treated seperately14:52
rickspencer3I totally forgot about it after you guys got it into main14:52
LaserJockdidrocks: I wonder if it would be worth some time post-Lucid to do some documentation work (at least comments in the code) for it14:52
LaserJockjust to make contribution easier in the future14:52
didrocksLaserJock: let's wait lucid to be out first, and we can see that together after if you want :-)14:53
seb128kenvandine, hey14:54
kenvandinehey seb12814:55
seb128kenvandine, how are you?14:55
kenvandinetired :) and you?14:56
seb128a bit tried but good otherwise ;-)14:56
seb128kenvandine, how busy are you today?14:56
kenvandinevery this morning... but then i should be ok14:56
seb128kenvandine, can we default back to you for dx updates?14:56
kenvandinei am finishing up the exception handling stuff in gwibber14:56
kenvandinei can handle it14:56
seb128kenvandine, ok, let's see I will handle some of those on the way if that's just "merge and upload" for ted and let you the other one for later?14:57
seb128for -> from14:57
seb128good, thanks14:57
seb128let me know if it turns out you are too busy or if you need sponsoring14:57
kenvandinei know i will need some sponsoring14:58
kenvandineabout half of the DX packages don't have perms for ~ubuntu-desktop14:58
kenvandinewe'll let cjwatson worry about fixing that for next cycle :)14:58
seb128kenvandine, ok, so let's say I will do updates which are just merges from ted, since that's about as much work to do sponsoring for him or you ;-)15:00
kenvandineok :)15:00
seb128kenvandine, I will ping you to let if there is some you should look at15:01
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seb128bryceh, rickspencer3: do you have any way to build a list of bugs with a lucid task for a group of packages or for members of a team in launchpad?15:50
rickspencer3seb128, kind of15:51
rickspencer3in bughugger there is a "bugs for packages query"15:51
rickspencer3and then you can filter by "release contains lucid"15:51
chrisccoulsonseb128 - the old keyboard applet was provided by libgnomekbd wasn't it?15:52
rickspencer3unfortunately, it's all a bit fubar right now because the query calculates gravity, which takes forever, so the queries are a bit useless atm15:52
rickspencer3however, I could tinker with it later today if that could help you15:52
rickspencer3seb128, ^15:52
rickspencer3so you want to pick a package, and get all bug tasks that are on Lucid?15:53
seb128chrisccoulson, yes15:53
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i wonder if we should create a null keyboard applet in gnome-applets, like we do with the mixer-applet etc15:54
chrisccoulsonas gnome-panel shows an error after upgrading now we removed it15:54
seb128chrisccoulson, we should, I think that was the case15:54
seb128rickspencer3, so, not really15:54
seb128rickspencer3, I went through all dx indicators sources buglists in launchpad yesterday and cleaned things and added lucid tasks15:55
rickspencer3seb128, I'm saying I could make that query work for you pretty easily15:55
rickspencer3just need to comment out some code and test it out15:55
seb128rickspencer3, now I've a group of some sources packages I care a bugs, with lucid tasks assigned to canonical-dx-team, ted, bratsche, ronoc and dbart15:55
seb128rickspencer3, and I would like a way to say "give me all lucid ask on indicator-*" on a page15:56
rickspencer3seb128, yes, I can do that with bughugger15:56
seb128lucid *t*asks15:56
rickspencer3I've been meaning to fix this, but haven't had the motivation since bdmurray came out with bryce's json searches15:56
seb128rickspencer3, ok, I will try a bit later and see if I can get it working or ping you if I don't15:56
rickspencer3seb128, and if you want, you can ask bdmurray to run that as a chron job every 24 hours too15:56
seb128rickspencer3, well I'm fine setting a json search too if that's the way to go15:56
seb128so let's say I've this indicator group I care about15:57
rickspencer3the nice thing about a json search is it is at your fingertips15:57
seb128ie "libdbusmenu indicator-applet indicator-session"15:57
rickspencer3the bad thing is that it only runs once per day15:57
seb128and I want daily bug counts and lucid tasks15:57
rickspencer3that you have to hack around a tiny bit15:57
seb128can we track those in some clever way?15:57
* LaserJock corsses fingers and hits killall netbook-launcher15:57
rickspencer3create a lp user, subscribe that user to each package you care about, and then do a "bugs on packages this user is subscribed to" search15:58
rickspencer3seb128, but we could hard code something up for you if you need to do it several times a day15:58
seb128doing that was next on my list on how to get that working15:58
rickspencer3if only once per day, ask bdmurray to make a json search for you15:58
seb128but I don't like much adding random lp users15:58
seb128rickspencer3, well what you recommend doing?15:58
rickspencer3seb128, ask bdmurray to make a json search for you15:59
seb128rickspencer3, ok, will do that16:03
rickspencer3thanks seb12816:03
LaserJockdidrocks: should this work for testing: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/lib/libnetbook-launcher.so.0 /usr/local/bin/netbook-launcher16:31
didrocksLaserJock: seems correct to me16:33
NCommanderccheney: ping. I need you to throw an OOo patch into ooo-build, can you help me so we can close the bug on OOo being broken on ARM?16:37
* pitti says good night for today, I'll go out tonight for a magic show16:40
pittijust finishing the day with a 3-bug-fix jockey upload16:41
Nafaigood night pitti16:41
ccheneyNCommander: if you just need to test a build you can stick the patch into the hotfixes directory16:42
NCommanderccheney: no, ready for merging to close a bug in LP :-)16:42
NCommanderI already built it :-)16:42
ccheneyok where is the patch i can add it to ooo-build upstream16:43
seb128'night pitti16:43
didrocksgood evening pitti16:44
NCommanderccheney: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/393376/16:44
NCommanderccheney: the filename is off, it has to edit bridges/sources/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_arm16:44
ccheneyNCommander: will that apply as is (no whitespace corruption)?16:46
ccheneymay be better to email the patch :)16:46
ccheneyalso should this be part of another larger patch or by itself?16:46
NCommanderjust this16:46
ccheneywow looks like it preserved tabs :)16:47
didrocksLaserJock: hum, I don't see the fullname for empathy with your liblauncher patch16:50
NCommanderccheney: heh :-)16:50
asacthe patch itself has some indentation issues looking at the paste ;)16:50
didrocksLaserJock: oh my bad, it's only on the favorites view16:51
LaserJockdidrocks: phew16:52
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didrocks(that we don't get it)16:52
didrockshum, another thing to fix, we'll see later :)16:52
didrocksLaserJock: yeah, I was really surprised ;)16:53
rickspencer3pitti, ogra fyi, I pinged likewise team, will let you know what happens16:54
ograrickspencer3, can you probably point them to bug 517300 too ?16:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 517300 in likewise-open "[armel] likewise-open needs porting to ARM" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51730016:55
rickspencer3ogra, will do16:55
ograthanks a lot !16:55
* rickspencer3 subscribes coffeedude16:55
rickspencer3actually, I assigned him ;)16:56
NCommanderccheney: once you commit it to ooo-build, I'd be glad to look at it and make sure everything is right before the next OOo upload16:59
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LaserJockdidrocks: grr, I just can't seem to figure out what draws the tile container17:01
LaserJockdidrocks: I tried netbook-launcer/nl-content-view.c but that didn't seem to work17:01
didrocksLaserJock: yes, it's not really obvious (that's why I only had a 5 minutes look yesterday morning), njpatel, can you guide us for that ? ^17:02
njpatelLaserJock, didrocks: what draws each icon + label?17:02
didrocksnjpatel: the idea is to find where to plug the "right click event"17:03
njpateldidrocks, sure, but you mean the application icon and the application label right? Or the category icon and label?17:03
didrocksnjpatel: it's more the container that is interesting17:03
njpateldidrocks, what do you want to do?17:03
LaserJockwe want to extend the "Change Desktop" menu seen in Favorites to the rest of the menu17:04
didrocksnjpatel: showing the "change background" menu option when you don't click on an icon, but on the underlaying container17:04
LaserJocks/menu/right-click menu/17:04
njpatelone sec17:05
didrocksnjpatel: the code to add is quite obvious as it's already on the favorite panel. The issue is just "on what object do we plug the signal" :)17:08
njpatelLaserJock, I'd have a look to see if netbook-launcher/nl-content-view is eating the right-click event or netbook-launcher/nl-scroll-view17:08
njpatelLaserJock, otherwise adding the right-click code to nl-content-view should make it work across the board17:08
LaserJocknjpatel: ok, I tried adding a button_press_event to nl-content-view and it never made it17:09
njpatelLaserJock, you'd have to make sure the content view is set to be "reactive" (clutter_actor_set_reactive), otherwise it won't receive events17:09
didrocksoh, clutter_actor_set_reactive, didn't know that one ^^17:10
LaserJockah, ok, that's good to know :-) let me check17:10
didrocksI tried already, but without that :)17:10
LaserJocknjpatel: ok, I see that nl-content-view doesn't have that, I'll add it17:11
LaserJocknjpatel: \o/17:13
LaserJockdidrocks: ok, that seems to work just fine in all menus17:14
didrocksLaserJock: sweet! :)17:15
LaserJocknjpatel: I was digging through code most of the morning trying to figure that out, thanks17:15
didrocksnjpatel: thanks dude for the hint, won't have find it without you :)17:16
njpatelyeah, it's an odd properly of the way clutter works, though it speeds up the event propagation17:16
njpateldidrocks,  :017:16
njpateler, :), even!17:16
didrocks15 UNE related bug closed in 4 uploads, /me feels way better on UNE state now :-)17:19
kwwiianyone seen bug #537374 ?17:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 537374 in gtk+2.0 "Vertical menu scrolling[with keys] not working , when themes enable gtk-auto-mnemonics" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53737417:20
seb128kwwii, not me17:21
seb128kwwii, oh, reading the description, wait I try17:22
kwwiiseb128: I can confirm that it causes problems, I wonder if this is reason enough to turn it off17:22
kwwiiessentially, you can arrow down beyond the visible menu17:22
seb128kwwii, right I confirm17:23
seb128kwwii, check with bratsche if he thinks that's fixable for lucid or if he can bring it upstream, look at it17:23
seb128kwwii, if he's too busy let's turn it off17:24
kwwiiseb128: right, will do...thanks17:24
seb128kwwii, np17:25
ccheneyNCommander: ok will get it committed now, any preference for name of the patch?17:25
ccheneyNCommander: i'm not completely sure what the change in asm does :)17:26
ograccheney, it saves our butts ... so call it saves_our_butts.patch17:27
ccheneylol, usually something relating to what the patch does is good, not sure what that patch does myself :)17:29
ccheneyfinally-works-this-time.patch ;-)17:30
ograccheney,  branch_directly_to_cpp_vtable_call_on_arm.patch might work17:31
ccheneyogra: ok thanks that sounds helpful to someone who knows arm :)17:32
NCommanderccheney: <dmart> NCommander: How about "privateSnippetExtractor simplification to avoid exception unwind failures and stack corruption risk" ?17:32
ograright, that would be a proper description17:32
ccheneyNCommander: yes that is useful too since i have to add a description for my git commit :)17:32
ccheneythanks guys!17:33
chrisccoulsonseb128 - bug 537286 is because there is the panel doesn't tell xsplash it is loaded, giving the perception that the login time is really long17:33
chrisccoulsonwe can probably close that for lucid17:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 537286 in gnome-session "Very slow login after disabling gnome-panel" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53728617:33
chrisccoulsonsorry, i meant to say "there is no panel"17:34
chrisccoulsonthat makes more sense ;)17:34
seb128chrisccoulson, oh, I didn't even got that it was not a bug about lucid ;-)17:34
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's karmic17:34
seb128chrisccoulson, thanks for noticing, please close it17:34
chrisccoulsonanyway, i will close that as fixed17:34
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brycehseb128, I did start making a query a couple weekends ago for getting bugs with lucid tasks for packages belonging to a team but haven't quite finished it yet.  It's high on my todo list though.17:49
seb128bryceh, ok, let me know if you get it working, thanks ;-)17:50
njpatelbryceh, a quick question, is there any plans to re-sync with xorg again before lucid release? The reason I ask is that there seems to be an issue in libdrm2, causing crashes when closing OpenGL windows (which I've seen more of with the latest stable Clutter)17:51
njpatelbasically this crash: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=56767717:52
ubottuDebian bug 567677 in src:xorg-server "Server sometimes crashes when closing OpenGL programs" [Important,Open]17:52
brycehnjpatel, we have plans to merge xserver 1.7.6 when it's released17:53
brycehnjpatel, do you know for certain this bug is fixed in 1.7.6?17:54
njpatelbryceh, not for certain, but it seems like there was a commit that made the freeing of the resources in the dri2.c (which is where this happens), cleaner17:55
njpatelbryceh, are there any packages available that I can test, which would have git Xorg? Otherwise I'll try and compile xorg git over the weekend17:56
brycehcheck xorg-edgers, it usually has git snapshots17:56
brycehbeyond that if there is a specific patch you would like to test let me know, I can roll a ppa for you17:56
njpatelbryceh, okay, will do again (it seemed to have a older version than lucid a couple of days ago)17:57
brycehin any case, please file a bug in launchpad against xorg-server for this and subscribe me, so we can track the issue through solution17:57
njpatelsure, will do -- thanks bryceh17:57
tjaaltonwe'll also get mesa 7.7.117:58
tjaaltonwell, if it's accepted17:58
LaserJockdidrocks: sorry for taking so long (work break ;-) ), I put up a proposed merge18:06
didrocksLaserJock: sweet! I'll either make a release for beta1, or just land it afterwards18:07
didrocksLaserJock: work break :-) I had that with my previous employer too. I can happen at any time :p18:07
LaserJockdidrocks: so I managed to fix 4 bugs, I'm impressed. I'm generally a packager and not a coder18:10
didrocksLaserJock: heh, congrats!18:10
didrocksLaserJock: and thanks again for your work on UNE, it helps a lot :-)18:11
LaserJockdidrocks: so wow, it looks like we got all but 1 of the beta-1 targets done18:12
didrocksLaserJock: right. I was afraid to have been to optimistic when doing the list, but apparently, it was ok :-)18:13
didrocksLaserJock: the favorite view is quite special as it's not the same than the others one. That's why I didn't have the time to investigate to see why keys aren't handled18:14
LaserJockso what happens between beta1 and beta2 bug-wise18:14
didrocksLaserJock: I would say we should just fix all remaining ones :-)18:16
didrocksLaserJock: if we find some too difficult, it's no so important and we can discare as the "first to fix" list was for beta1 IMHO18:17
seb128time for sport and dinner18:17
didrockssee you seb12818:18
seb128didrocks, see you didrocks18:19
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ccheneyNCommander: got it committed to ooo-build git21:10
didrocksgoing to bed, have a good night everyone :)21:14
ograccheney, do you plan an upload before beta1 ?21:14
seb128"night didrocks21:14
ccheneyogra: i'm still working on the epiphany stuff and b1 freeze is today (aiui) so probably not21:15
didrocksgood night seb128!21:15
ccheneyogra: the next upload i was planning was a 3.2.0 upstream one but that also changes over to the new deb format v3 so i have to determine what that does to my packaging work, probably will take a day to get it merged up and building properly21:16
ccheneyi was hoping to be done with this epiphany stuff by now but it keeps pulling in more and more functions, ugh21:16
ccheneyprobably 10x more symbols than initially showed up to be able to actually build it on hardy :-\21:16
RAOFMorning all.21:32
RAOFGood evening didrocks :)21:32
RAOFdidrocks: Re: bug #514083 - thanks for the pointer to trunk.  My next step there is to fix it in bzr and submit a merge request against upstream, which we'll pull in to the distro packages, right?21:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 514083 in netbook-launcher "netbook-launcher crashed with SIGSEGV in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__ENUM()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51408321:34
LaserJockRAOF: I think so yes, at least that's the way he seems to be going with it and that's what I've done.21:43
brycehheya RAOF21:43
RAOFbryceh: Good morning.21:43
RAOFLaserJock: Thanks.21:43
NCommanderccheney: is ther esomething I can to do to help make an upload happen sooner rather than later? We *really* need this fixed in archive21:45
seb128hey robert_ancell21:57
robert_ancellseb128, hey hey21:57
seb128robert_ancell, thanks for the gdm work21:58
seb128robert_ancell, I'm a bit ashamed to say I didn't do anything with it yet though, but I will in a bit or tomorrow for sure21:58
robert_ancellseb128, no problem. I didn't do the gdmserver bit because I'm still not 100% sure what the right way of doing it is...21:59
ccheneyNCommander: if you want to just fix it for the current version in the archive adding it to the hotfixes directory and uploading will probably work as is22:00
ccheneyi'll either be doing an upload this weekend (if i finish my epiphany work) or after beta release next thursday, due to the time it takes to build i am generally requested to not upload past monday of a release week22:00
ccheneyand with the freeze today its up to slangasek if he would even accept it anyway22:01
seb128robert_ancell, did you have a look to what those guys who contacted you some time ago are doing?22:01
robert_ancellseb128, the gdmsetup2 guys? they just run gconftool-2 as root22:03
seb128robert_ancell, bah, they just basically call gconftool --set22:03
seb128robert_ancell, sudo -u gdm gconftool in fact22:03
seb128robert_ancell, I can't see a clean way to do that22:04
seb128robert_ancell, calling dbus-launch gconftool-2 --set after changing uid to the gdm user?22:05
seb128I really hate suggesting that :p22:05
ccheneyugh another class needs copying in (/me hates backporting glib/gtk crap)22:06
robert_ancellseb128, that's what I was thinking... (note you also have the clear the environment otherwise it might contact the wrong gconf)22:06
ccheneyevery class relies on more classes that aren't in the old version, etc :-\22:06
seb128robert_ancell, want to hack that today if you have a chance?22:07
robert_ancellseb128, I'll have a look if I have time.  You can review and sponsor it tomorrow then :)22:07
seb128robert_ancell, I still have gtk, telepathy-butterfly and some dx updates to look at tonight22:07
chrisccoulsonwhat sections do i need to put in xorg.conf to create a minimal configuration to force my laptop to use the vesa driver?22:07
seb128robert_ancell, yeah, I will do that without fault22:07
chrisccoulsonthere's no xorg.conf at all now, and i don't have a template22:08
seb128robert_ancell, I'm trying to get updates cleaned today before beta freeze, will be easier to get bug fixes than updates after that22:08
robert_ancellseb128, sure, this is a UI change though, don't know if that means we should rush it22:08
seb128we will rush it tomorrow22:09
NCommanderccheney: well, it can wait for beta 2 if need be, but if you can kick me a source package, I'd love to shove it in a PPA for testing purposes22:09
seb128well it's after freeze but I think we will find people understanding the need so it should be alright tomorrow22:09
seb128robert_ancell, I was pondering pushing the UI without the server code today, so we just could claim the remaining work as bug fix :p22:10
ccheneyNCommander: all you would need to do to make it work would be to add the patch you sent me to ooo-build/patches/hotfixes and rebuild with a new version number22:10
robert_ancellseb128, LOL22:10
ccheneyNCommander: my internet access is pretty slow so it takes quite a while for me to upload anything22:10
NCommanderccheney: petal faster? :-)22:10
ccheneyNCommander: anything being multi hundred mb openoffice.org files anyway :)22:10
NCommanderccheney: heh. I don't envy your job22:11
ccheneythe best i can get currently is 1mbps up, used to be on 384kbps up22:12
* ccheney applied to the google fiber in your community thing, would be nice to get real broadband22:13
* bryceh gives ccheney a box of pigeons22:17
NCommanderccheney: where yo ulive?22:18
ccheneyNCommander: near houston22:18
NCommanderccheney: ah22:18
ccheneyat my old house i was about 800ft from being close enough for att uverse, heh22:19
* NCommander starts the Better Upload Speeds for OOo Devs Fund22:19
ccheneythe new place has comcast but they don't even have docsis 3 yet22:19
NCommanderccheney: actually, I have faster upstreams on my cell phone ;.;22:19
ccheneyatt 3g here is about 1000/12822:19
ccheneyso even slower :)22:19
ccheneyup near boston their 3g is actually decent22:20
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ccheneyhmm the phone company here seems to be rolling out 20/? for $85/mo22:21
ccheneynot sure what the upstream speed is22:21
ccheneycomcast has 20mbps burst not sure what the real speed is though, 20mbps burst isn't that useful for Ooo22:23
chrisccoulsonseb128 - do you have the same firefox slowness issue as didrocks?22:28
seb128chrisccoulson, not really22:29
seb128or not right now22:29
chrisccoulsonoh, he mentioned that you were seeing the issue too22:29
seb128I had firefox hanging for some seconds on tabs switches being launchpad pages yesterday22:29
seb128but it's not doing it today22:29
chrisccoulsonso, it's just didrocks then ;)22:29
seb128seems so22:34
seb128or at least today :p22:34
LaserJockI don't know how you can deal with super-long words in grids other than to widen the grid, any ideas?22:37
chrisccoulsongrrrrr, my filesystem has gone read only again :-/22:53
seb128chrisccoulson, disks issues?22:53
chrisccoulsonseb128 - it does it every couple of days, and then i have to manually run fsck from a live CD22:54
seb128not nice22:54
chrisccoulsonyeah, it's a bit of a pain22:55
chrisccoulsonright, bbiab, i'd better restart and recover it again22:55
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ccheneyi had that happen to me also yesterday, my wife shut down my system and it came up needing to be manually fsck'd, it was shut down properly though so it seemed a bit odd23:10
ccheneyit didn't go read only while running though23:10
ccheneyat least not to my knowledge23:11
chrisccoulsonccheney, you're having issues too?23:11
chrisccoulsonmy kern.log is full of sata errors23:12
ccheneychrisccoulson: i'm not sure what happened23:12
ccheneychrisccoulson: i don't show any sata errors and it didn't seem to go read only while running, but required manual fsck on reboot23:13
ccheneyif it happens again i'll have to look into it closer23:13
ccheneyi thought she had just hit the power switch but she actually shut my system down properly but it the fs wasn't cleanly unmounted for some reason23:15
chrisccoulsoni get lots of errors leading to things like this:23:16
chrisccoulsonata2: hard resetting link23:16
chrisccoulsonand it seems to mess up the filesystem if it happens at the wrong time23:16
RAOFchrisccoulson: I think I see something like that coming out of suspend sometimes.23:19
chrisccoulsonRAOF - yeah, this is much worse after suspend too23:20
RAOFArgh.  Bzr, just fix the rich-root mess, please!23:21
NafaiRAOF: I ran into that this morning too23:22
ccheneydown to 6 undefined symbols now :)23:33
ccheneyhopefully 2 of those (new class) don't pull in a bucketload more23:33
ccheneylooks like those two pull in quite a bit of other stuff in the same class, but hopefully no other classes :)23:47

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