| shtylman | cjwatson: you around? | 00:43 |
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| cjwatson | shtylman: sort of (don't ask to ask, though, just ask) | 00:46 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: :) | 00:47 |
| shtylman | so we are trying to install hardy (yea... its old) on a new IBM x3550 | 00:47 |
| shtylman | and during the server install | 00:47 |
| shtylman | several things go wrong... the first of which is it can't find the cdrom module | 00:48 |
| shtylman | like the install boots | 00:48 |
| shtylman | and we go through the language page | 00:48 |
| shtylman | but then it says: "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" | 00:48 |
| shtylman | even though it booted from a cd?! | 00:48 |
| shtylman | does any of that sound familiar? | 00:49 |
| shtylman | and is there a way around it (which still installing from a cd) ? | 00:49 |
| cjwatson | "even though it booted from a cd"> a lot of people have this confusion - booting from a CD means that the BIOS could read the CD, whereas the error message means that Linux can't read the CD | 00:50 |
| shtylman | but how can linux not read the cd if the installer started? | 00:50 |
| cjwatson | usually this means that either the kernel doesn't support the CD for some reason, or it requires a new module which isn't in the cdrom initrd | 00:50 |
| cjwatson | the installer started by means of the BIOS reading data from the CD | 00:50 |
| shtylman | I see | 00:50 |
| cjwatson | starting the installer does not require Linux to read from the CD | 00:50 |
| cjwatson | remember, the first bit of the installer lives entirely in the kernel and initrd, and those are both read from the CD by the bootloader (using the BIOS) | 00:51 |
| shtylman | I see | 00:51 |
| shtylman | dmesg does say it detected sr0 tho | 00:52 |
| shtylman | for a cdrom device... or is that unrelated? | 00:52 |
| cjwatson | I think it's only part of it | 00:52 |
| shtylman | basically saying it can see it ... but can't really use it | 00:52 |
| cjwatson | you're not using the netboot installer burned to a CD or anything funny like that? | 00:53 |
| shtylman | nope | 00:54 |
| cjwatson | right. it's probably a kernel bug (I think). they'll need to know the PCI id of your CD-ROM controller | 00:55 |
| cjwatson | (lspci) | 00:55 |
| shtylman | k | 00:55 |
| shtylman | well... its fixed in lucid ... so yea... | 00:56 |
| shtylman | ok..that issue asside... as there is a more pressing issue I wanted to ask about | 00:56 |
| shtylman | we can do a net install to bypass this cdrom issue | 00:56 |
| shtylman | so that is ok.. | 00:56 |
| shtylman | but then... it doesn't detect any harddrives... | 00:56 |
| shtylman | now.. the is interesting for a few reasons | 00:57 |
| cjwatson | sort of sounds like the CD is fucked. what URL did you get it from? | 00:57 |
| cjwatson | or I suppose it could be that it's completely failing to deal with the PCI controller or something | 00:57 |
| shtylman | the raid controller the drives are connected to are the same controllers as in another box (which is running hardy) ... yet in this new box they are not detected | 00:57 |
| shtylman | the failing to talk to pci would most certainly line up with the hdd/raid detection issue | 00:58 |
| shtylman | as lspci does list both | 00:58 |
| cjwatson | it would, but it's not the only possible cause | 00:58 |
| shtylman | I see | 00:58 |
| cjwatson | it might not even be the most likely one | 00:58 |
| shtylman | thoughts? | 00:58 |
| cjwatson | 00:57 <cjwatson> sort of sounds like the CD is fucked. what URL did you get it from? | 00:58 |
| shtylman | checking | 00:58 |
| shtylman | ubuntu's website | 01:00 |
| cjwatson | sorry, not specific enough | 01:00 |
| shtylman | :) | 01:01 |
| shtylman | it was a while ago | 01:01 |
| cjwatson | I need a URL on releases.ubuntu.com or cdimage.ubuntu.com, or one of their mirrors | 01:01 |
| shtylman | should we try a new image? | 01:01 |
| cjwatson | the reason I ask is that sometimes the kernel version on the CD and the kernel udebs shipped on the CD get out of sync, and then nothing works | 01:01 |
| cjwatson | this can particularly be the case if you picked a random daily build rather than a proper blessed release | 01:01 |
| shtylman | this is 8.04.1 | 01:02 |
| shtylman | but I do understand the concern | 01:02 |
| shtylman | we can try a new iso image... but the hdd issue comes up over netboot as well | 01:02 |
| shtylman | are there any other steps I could take wrt the hdd detection? | 01:04 |
| shtylman | something I should look for? | 01:05 |
| cjwatson | netboot is actually much more vulnerable to kernel version skew | 01:06 |
| shtylman | great :) | 01:06 |
| cjwatson | but for the rest, it would really be better to ask the kernel team, I'm not great at debugging this kind of thing | 01:06 |
| shtylman | noted | 01:07 |
| shtylman | as a parting note: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1219514 | 01:07 |
| shtylman | that mount cdrom is the same issue | 01:07 |
| shtylman | same machine as well | 01:07 |
| shtylman | but the "fixes" seem very shady to me | 01:08 |
| cjwatson | judging from that thread, frankly, it sounds like you have a new SATA controller (which both hard disks and the CD-ROM drive are hanging off) that simply isn't supported by 8.04 | 01:10 |
| shtylman | :) | 01:11 |
| cjwatson | 8.04.4 is worth a try but I wouldn't hold out much hope | 01:11 |
| shtylman | k | 01:11 |
| cjwatson | this is more plausible than my PCI controller hypothesis above (PCI doesn't change that much ...) and explains the symptoms in the same way | 01:11 |
| shtylman | k | 01:11 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: well...I appreciate the help | 01:14 |
| shtylman | I will poke around | 01:14 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3914 ubiquity/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 01:30 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: Keep track of how partitioning progress is displayed without requiring | 01:30 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: an argument to be passed to progress_stop (LP: #535630). | 01:30 |
| cjwatson | shtylman: is bug 526534 still open? | 01:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 526534 in ubiquity "kubuntu ubiquity crashes after first page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526534 | 01:34 |
| cjwatson | oh, I guess it might be, the bug summary is not really an accurate summary of what's left of the bug after Riddell's workaround | 01:35 |
| cjwatson | guess somebody needs to experimentally unhide the progress bar on a live image and see if it still crashes | 01:36 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: oh.. that was a weird crash | 01:36 |
| shtylman | I have unhid it | 01:36 |
| shtylman | and have never run into that crash | 01:36 |
| shtylman | I think riddell did the install today with the new progress bar and it was ok | 01:36 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: im not sure if that problem is reproducable | 01:37 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3915 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): Automatic update of included source packages: user-setup 1.28ubuntu5. | 01:40 |
| cjwatson | ok, well, somebody with relevant clue should update the bug 'cos it's on the beta-1 milestone list :) | 01:42 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: haha... ok.. I will mark it as closed cause it is as far as we are concerned... | 01:43 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: although the failed to lock is kinda upsetting | 01:44 |
| shtylman | and Riddell did mention having "some sort" of permission problem | 01:44 |
| shtylman | but it wasn't related to the installer crashing | 01:44 |
| shtylman | so that bug report has probly gotten out of hand and can be closed anyway | 01:44 |
| cjwatson | you might also find those permissions problems have gone away (or at least got less serious) due to my KApplication initialisation change in 2.1.32 | 01:48 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: yea..i saw comments for that... | 01:48 |
| shtylman | hopefully that have | 01:48 |
| shtylman | *they | 01:48 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3916 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.34 | 01:49 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3917 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity-frontend-kde.install): | 02:44 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: * KDE frontend: | 02:44 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: - There are no more files matching gui/qt/images/*.jpg. Don't try to | 02:44 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: install them. | 02:44 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3918 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.35 | 02:48 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: I'm still getting the issue with the software updates popup when I enter live desktop. | 12:55 |
| CIA-3 | partman-base: cjwatson * r188 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog parted_server.c): | 13:15 |
| CIA-3 | partman-base: Apply optimal alignment constraints to new partitions, or when | 13:15 |
| CIA-3 | partman-base: maximising an extended partition (LP: #530071). | 13:15 |
| charlie-tca | Desktop images are broken for Xubuntu today: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libjpeg-progs: Depends: libjpeg7 but it is not installable E: Broken packages | 13:36 |
| cjwatson | not really an installer issue :) | 13:37 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks | 13:37 |
| cjwatson | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/lucid_probs.html lists it - it's just uninstallable, period | 13:38 |
| charlie-tca | Does it have to removed from the image, then? | 13:39 |
| cjwatson | I suspect libjpeg-progs is in fact required | 13:39 |
| cjwatson | some numpty removed libjpeg7 from the archive before we were actually ready to get rid of it, I think | 13:39 |
| cjwatson | sigh, MARTIN | 13:40 |
| charlie-tca | great... | 13:41 |
| cjwatson | needs some proper repair work | 13:41 |
| ev | lol | 14:03 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, you know I reported a bug against that new installer screen ? | 14:11 |
| charlie-tca | bug 536838 | 14:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 536838 in ubiquity "[Lucid] Desktop cd starts at install screen with no quit/cancel option " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/536838 | 14:11 |
| charlie-tca | Takes 8 minutes to get to it | 14:11 |
| persia | charlie-tca: What would you expect "Quit" or "Cancel" to do? How about "Restart" and "Shutdown" instead? (the 8 minutes being a different issue). | 14:14 |
| charlie-tca | They don't work | 14:15 |
| charlie-tca | That was a different bug | 14:15 |
| charlie-tca | I would expect at least to be able to do something. the choices allowed are really limited | 14:16 |
| charlie-tca | I could accept restart or shutdown, though | 14:16 |
| persia | I'm just not sure I understand what either "Quit" or "Shutdown" would be supposed to do at that point. | 14:16 |
| charlie-tca | Right now, when it fails, you can't even debug it | 14:16 |
| persia | Err, "Quit" or "Cancel". | 14:16 |
| charlie-tca | It won't even allow you to switch to another tty | 14:17 |
| charlie-tca | Something to let me say "oops, I didn't want this afterall" ? | 14:18 |
| cjwatson | Quit would quit the installer and drop to a live session. | 14:18 |
| charlie-tca | Right now, it is called a hard power off, turn the system back on, then I can remove the cd | 14:18 |
| cjwatson | although as it happens "Try 10.04" would have the same effect | 14:19 |
| charlie-tca | I used to be able to remove the cd at the menu and use Ctrl+Alt+del to restart, now I can't | 14:19 |
| cjwatson | won't even allow you to switch to another tty> that is *not* within the installer's control | 14:19 |
| cjwatson | it's a bug somewhere else | 14:20 |
| cjwatson | we couldn't prevent that in installer code even if we wanted to | 14:20 |
| charlie-tca | I see | 14:20 |
| charlie-tca | anyway to get a debug for that? | 14:20 |
| cjwatson | I would wait until Keybuk uploads his plymouth work before bothering | 14:21 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 14:21 |
| cjwatson | that's the sort of thing that plymouth bugs could break | 14:21 |
| ogra | is that on gfxboot ? | 14:22 |
| ogra | i mean the stage thats described in the bug | 14:22 |
| cjwatson | no. | 14:22 |
| CIA-3 | kickseed: cjwatson * r279 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog kickseed.sh): | 14:23 |
| CIA-3 | kickseed: Drop nouveau preseeding, no longer needed with the drm backport in | 14:23 |
| CIA-3 | kickseed: 2.6.32-16 kernels. | 14:23 |
| cjwatson | for Ubuntu images, the choice now normally appears at the start of the installer | 14:23 |
| cjwatson | unless you press a key within five seconds of the bootloader starting up | 14:24 |
| ogra | ah | 14:24 |
| ogra | i havent seen any x86 since felt 10 years :) | 14:24 |
| ogra | at least image/installer wise | 14:24 |
| CIA-3 | kickseed: cjwatson * r280 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.53ubuntu4 | 14:25 |
| === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander | ||
| ev | forgot about this - http://chipx86.github.com/gtkparasite/ - should come in handy | 16:56 |
| cr3 | is there a way to preseed ubiquity to prevent it from attempting to install additional packages from the CD, re bug #534605? | 17:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 534605 in ubiquity "During netinstall, ubiquity prompts when failing to install packages from the CD." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/534605 | 17:11 |
| cr3 | this happens when attempting to netinstall on a system which happens to have a cdrom drive, no problem on netbooks which typically don't have a cdrom drive | 17:12 |
| persia | cr3: Is that netboot only, or does the same happen with alternate install from USB? | 17:13 |
| cr3 | persia: haven't tried usb installs in a while | 17:14 |
| persia | Just wondering if it comes from overly broad interpretation of what it means for an optical drive to be available, or if it's specific to netboot. | 17:16 |
| persia | But someone else might have deeper insight into what you could check. | 17:17 |
| michaelforrest | 0xb8b1a8 | 17:17 |
| persia | ? | 17:18 |
| shtylman | cjwatson: fyi 8.04.4 worked... it was able to see the drives when using netboot (bypassing the cd issue altogether) | 18:08 |
| shtylman | thanks for pointing me to that | 18:08 |
| cjwatson | oh cool, that was a bit of a long shot | 18:16 |
| CIA-3 | partman-base: cjwatson * r189 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog parted_server.c partman-command): | 19:22 |
| CIA-3 | partman-base: Add an ALIGNMENT_OFFSET command which can be used to detect whether a | 19:22 |
| CIA-3 | partman-base: partition is misaligned. | 19:22 |
| CIA-3 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r1256 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel/dove.cfg debian/changelog): Move Dove images to 2.6.32-202 kernels. | 19:27 |
| CIA-3 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r1257 ubuntu/ (38 files in 2 dirs): Update help translation files. | 20:51 |
| CIA-3 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r1258 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu90 | 20:57 |
| CIA-3 | partman-base: cjwatson * r190 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 138ubuntu3 | 21:01 |
| === robbiew is now known as robbiew_ | ||
| CIA-3 | wubi: Agostino Russo * r174 trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Updated references to 10.04/lucid | 23:11 |
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