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| ferry | exit | 05:38 |
| humphreybc | hi everyone! | 06:41 |
| godbyk | hey, humphreybc. | 06:43 |
| humphreybc | ello | 06:43 |
| godbyk | Welcome back. Have fun discussing Ubuntu stuff today? :) | 06:43 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, oh yes... did you see the stuff on omgubuntu? | 06:52 |
| humphreybc | had a phone call with jono | 06:52 |
| godbyk | yeah, I saw that. | 06:52 |
| humphreybc | big discussion :) | 06:52 |
| godbyk | have a nice chat with jono? :) | 06:52 |
| humphreybc | yep, our chats are always nice! | 06:53 |
| godbyk | I enjoyed the sparring in the omgubuntu comments. | 06:53 |
| humphreybc | He believes that most people are against the button placement only due to the fact their scared of change | 06:53 |
| humphreybc | they're* | 06:53 |
| godbyk | I think that's probably true. | 06:53 |
| humphreybc | I tried to explain some actual reasons why having them on the left is a usability problem | 06:53 |
| godbyk | Though I wouldn't say they're "scared" of change. | 06:53 |
| godbyk | People just don't like change in general. | 06:54 |
| humphreybc | just resistant to it | 06:54 |
| godbyk | right | 06:54 |
| humphreybc | So have you got an opinion, as a PhD student in HCI? | 06:54 |
| humphreybc | If you do, I think you should write your thoughts up somewhere so the design team can see it | 06:54 |
| godbyk | I don't have a well-formed opinion yet. So far I've only seen screenshots, I haven't had a chance to try it out. | 06:55 |
| humphreybc | righto | 06:55 |
| godbyk | I msg'd mpt on irc earlier, but he went offline shortly afterward. I think I hit him up just as he was getting off work. | 06:55 |
| godbyk | I'd like to hear from the design team what their thoughts on it are. | 06:55 |
| godbyk | Is it just a visual change? | 06:55 |
| humphreybc | not sure | 06:55 |
| humphreybc | I'm trying to find out the same | 06:56 |
| godbyk | Are there usability problems they're trying to solve? | 06:56 |
| humphreybc | there's this: http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=281 | 06:56 |
| godbyk | Do they think having the controls on the left is an improvement in some way? | 06:56 |
| humphreybc | But Ivanka doesn't really tell us much | 06:56 |
| godbyk | That blog post doesn't really say anything. | 06:56 |
| godbyk | It asks a lot of great questions... | 06:56 |
| humphreybc | If they could be clearer with their reasons for the switch, then I think it would be a bit more useful | 06:56 |
| godbyk | ... but provides no answers. | 06:56 |
| humphreybc | Yeah I know, but I'm emailing the design team as we speak | 06:56 |
| humphreybc | :) | 06:56 |
| godbyk | You should CC me on it. I'd like to hear about it, too. :) | 06:57 |
| humphreybc | sure | 06:57 |
| humphreybc | I need to find Ivanka's email though | 06:57 |
| humphreybc | or the Canonical design team mailing list | 06:57 |
| godbyk | https://launchpad.net/~canonical-ux | 06:58 |
| humphreybc | oh | 06:58 |
| humphreybc | banshee, why have you crashed | 06:58 |
| humphreybc | no mailing list though | 06:59 |
| humphreybc | probably because they all work in an office | 06:59 |
| godbyk | They have an internal (private) mailing list. | 07:00 |
| humphreybc | yah | 07:00 |
| humphreybc | the feedback on my article on omgubuntu was nice | 07:01 |
| humphreybc | lots of people think it's a good article :) | 07:01 |
| godbyk | Yeah, it looked like it was well-received. | 07:06 |
| kklimonda | humphreybc: what article? | 07:10 |
| kklimonda | there was this one I didn't like yesterday ;} | 07:10 |
| humphreybc | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/16-things-that-could-be-improved-in.html | 07:11 |
| kklimonda | humphreybc: right - I was going to give the author "Captain Obvious" award for some of those things ;) | 07:12 |
| humphreybc | haha | 07:14 |
| humphreybc | :P | 07:14 |
| humphreybc | they're not obvious to most people until you spell them out | 07:14 |
| * humphreybc is typing one hand due to ice cream consumption | 08:56 | |
| godbyk | So how can we make it super easy for newbies to contribute to the manual? | 08:56 |
| humphreybc | 1) step by step guide | 08:57 |
| humphreybc | wait, what timeframe are we thinking here? | 08:57 |
| humphreybc | long term planning or get people in now? | 08:57 |
| godbyk | For instance, when we open it up to omgubuntu readers, how can they contribute without jumping through two dozen hoops? | 08:57 |
| humphreybc | ok | 08:58 |
| godbyk | we can't have everyone editing the branch at once. that'll cause too many conflicts. | 08:58 |
| humphreybc | so they are mainly going to be bug testing? | 08:58 |
| godbyk | but having one bug report per misspelled word may be too much, too. | 08:58 |
| humphreybc | indeed | 08:58 |
| humphreybc | we need to set up a clear bug reporting guide, and make sure they give us the correct information in the bugs | 08:59 |
| humphreybc | but to get contributors into the project _now_ we'll need a step by step guide | 08:59 |
| humphreybc | can we simplify anything? | 08:59 |
| humphreybc | ie, latex install? SSH key? adding them to the team? most of this is as simple as possible | 09:00 |
| godbyk | I haven't looked at the wiki lately, but it was a bit scatterbrained. | 09:00 |
| godbyk | Is all of that in one place, though? | 09:00 |
| humphreybc | probably not | 09:00 |
| humphreybc | the wiki needs a big overhaul | 09:00 |
| godbyk | Is there a Getting Started page that provides step-by-step instructions for doing all that? | 09:00 |
| humphreybc | i've been meaning to plan it before i overhaul it though | 09:00 |
| humphreybc | no there isn't | 09:00 |
| humphreybc | so, what's the first thing we want new contributors to see when they visit our wiki? | 09:01 |
| godbyk | I'd say a description of our project, status report (how close are we to being done, and where they can download the latest release candidate), and how they can help. | 09:01 |
| humphreybc | well the progress bar is a pretty simple status report | 09:04 |
| humphreybc | so the how they can help section, does that have the step-by-step instructions right there? | 09:04 |
| humphreybc | or does it link to another page with the detailed instructions? | 09:05 |
| * humphreybc is thinking aloud | 09:05 | |
| humphreybc | we need an etherpad for drawing... | 09:05 |
| humphreybc | so we can do a cool diagram of the page layouts :) | 09:05 |
| godbyk | I'd say that the how-I-can-help section has a list of tasks they can pick up. | 09:06 |
| humphreybc | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMPsimplification | 09:06 |
| godbyk | each task links to the step-by-step instructions to start that task | 09:06 |
| humphreybc | okay | 09:07 |
| humphreybc | that sounds like a plan | 09:07 |
| humphreybc | I'm writing it up on the etherpad, care to join me? | 09:08 |
| godbyk | sure. link me! | 09:09 |
| humphreybc | above! | 09:09 |
| humphreybc | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMPsimplification | 09:09 |
| humphreybc | we also need to simplify the header | 09:10 |
| humphreybc | at the moment it's huge | 09:10 |
| humphreybc | like, an overwhelming amount of options | 09:10 |
| humphreybc | 10, in fact | 09:10 |
| godbyk | And make the logo a bit smaller. :) | 09:11 |
| humphreybc | yup :) | 09:11 |
| humphreybc | okay, help me out in the etherpad | 09:11 |
| komsas | hi godbyk, when I making pdf I get error http://paste.ubuntu.com/393141/ | 09:22 |
| godbyk | You have \menuite and it should be \menuitem | 09:22 |
| godbyk | (Though it *really* should be \menu) | 09:23 |
| daker | hi | 09:24 |
| komsas | oh, so it is problem in translation, going to change it. | 09:24 |
| godbyk | hey, daker. | 09:25 |
| * humphreybc nom nom, peanut M&Ms | 09:27 | |
| godbyk | first ice cream and now peanut M&Ms? | 09:28 |
| humphreybc | yes | 09:29 |
| humphreybc | i had a cheeseburger before | 09:29 |
| humphreybc | it IS 10:30pm | 09:29 |
| godbyk | 3:30 am here. I'm headed to bed. | 09:29 |
| godbyk | See ya! | 09:29 |
| humphreybc | chow! | 09:29 |
| * humphreybc is so getting one of these for UDS: http://www.zazzle.co.nz/blamepopey_shirt-235522597143235165 | 09:30 | |
| daker | i want ti create a new brach for the website | 09:33 |
| humphreybc | go for it :) | 09:34 |
| humphreybc | you could just create a new folder in the main branch called "dakar" | 09:34 |
| humphreybc | "daker"* sorry | 09:34 |
| daker | but my folder is in /var/www | 09:37 |
| humphreybc | huh? | 09:39 |
| humphreybc | you want to branch our website? | 09:39 |
| humphreybc | so you can work on it? | 09:39 |
| daker | yeah | 09:40 |
| humphreybc | just create a new folder under /website in the branch | 09:43 |
| humphreybc | and copy what you've got there | 09:43 |
| humphreybc | or you can branch our branch if you want | 09:43 |
| humphreybc | entirely up to you dude :) | 09:43 |
| * humphreybc the Ubuntu Manual progress bar is going to look very l33t soon | 09:51 | |
| MenZa | Does anyone have a recently-compiled PDF of the manual they'd be willing to share? | 13:00 |
| MenZa | Oh nevermind, it's on Launchpad. <_< | 13:02 |
| MenZa | godbyk: Massive kudos to you for your LaTeX skills. o_o | 13:04 |
| c7p | hello godbyk are you on? | 14:29 |
| godbyk | MenZa: You can see the latest builds of all the translations at http://ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ | 18:37 |
| godbyk | It gets updated whenever I happen to remember to run a script. (So it's not always *the* latest, but it should be relatively close.) | 18:37 |
| MenZa | godbyk: \o/ | 18:42 |
| ubuntujenkins | eveing all | 18:45 |
| godbyk | hey, ubuntujenkins . | 18:46 |
| ubuntujenkins | hey godbyk how are you? | 18:47 |
| godbyk | not too bad. pretty well-rested. :) | 18:48 |
| * godbyk slept in today. | 18:48 | |
| MenZa | godbyk: Without having looked at the latex source at all (I'm on a Windows, tex-less system currently), have you written a class from scratch, or are you using, say, memoir with a bunch of custom macros? | 18:50 |
| godbyk | MenZa: Currently we're using a custom class based on book, but I might base it on tufte-book instead. (Haven't decided yet.) | 18:56 |
| godbyk | Using tufte-book helps me kill two birds with one stone as I wrote the tufte-book class and it'll give us some of the features we want for free. | 18:57 |
| godbyk | (That is, the features already coded up in the tufte-book class, so I wouldn't have to copy/paste anything.) | 18:57 |
| MenZa | godbyk: Ah. I'm not familiar with tufte-book. What's special about it? | 19:05 |
| MenZa | I've been working with LaTeX for around four years now, but the most major hackery I've done is with \titlingpage in memoir :) | 19:06 |
| godbyk | Not too much, but it does a lot of work to put things in the margin (sidenotes). | 19:06 |
| godbyk | http://code.google.com/p/tufte-latex/ | 19:06 |
| MenZa | Yeah, I've missed that when working with it | 19:17 |
| * ubuntujenkins 41 screenshots in the manual so far | 19:45 | |
| ubuntujenkins | night all | 23:14 |
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