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ccheneyugh it pulls in more classes i have to subclass override due to struct changes :-\00:49
robert_ancellmclasen, hey, thanks for the simple-scan review04:13
mclasennp04:13
mclasenthis was with 0.9.5, btw04:14
ccheneyfinally down to 4 symbols, grr05:27
robert_ancellTheMuso, can you build and release xdg-utils from bzr?05:32
TheMusorobert_ancell: sure in a bit.05:32
robert_ancellTheMuso, thanks05:33
robert_ancellreally must get main permissions...05:33
ccheneyfound another evil symbol :-\05:36
TheMusorobert_ancell: what branch do I use for xdg-utils? Ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu?05:36
TheMusorobert_ancell: nvm I have an existing branch for it here.05:37
robert_ancelllp:~ubuntu-desktop/xdg-utils/ubuntu05:38
TheMusorobert_ancell: yeah no problem as I said above.05:39
TheMusorobert_ancell: I'd support you if you were to apply for core-dev.05:56
robert_ancellTheMuso, just so I stop bugging you :)05:56
TheMusoheh no really, I would.05:56
TheMusoAnyway uploaded.05:56
robert_ancellsee you all next week06:00
RAOF:)06:01
robert_ancellRAOF, let try to meet up sometime next week!06:01
RAOFYes!06:02
* ccheney off to bed, bbl06:09
RAOFWho wants to bet that xulrunner doesn't have a stable javascript JIT engine on armel?06:10
lifelesss/ on armel//06:11
didrocksgood morning07:14
RAOFGood morning didrocks07:15
didrockschrisccoulson: I guess it's only visible when you disable acceleration in your graphic card07:15
didrockshey RAOF, how are you?07:15
RAOFGood.  It's pretty much the weekend now :)07:16
didrocksheh ;)07:16
RAOFSo I get to switch from f-spot to banshee ;)07:16
didrockswhat do you add to banshee?07:17
pittiBonjour mesdames et monsieurs07:19
RAOFMy gapless branch has just landed, and it seems that fiddling with the core of Banshee has introduced a couple of bugs :)07:19
didrocksGuten Morgen pitti, how was the magic show?07:20
pittididrocks: bonjour! it was brilliant, really07:25
didrockssweet :) glade you enjoyed it!07:25
pittileaves a lot of question marks in your face :)07:25
=== tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter
didrocksheh, I can imagine :-)07:31
didrockschrisccoulson: I've commented on the LP issue I get, they open a firefox task, can you have a look and talk to upstream (as it's also on upstream tarball), please?07:42
pittiI have to leave for ~ 1 hour, doctor appointment08:13
didrockssee you pitti08:14
seb128hello there08:26
RAOFseb128: Good morning.\08:37
didrockshey seb12808:38
seb128hey RAOF didrocks08:39
seb128RAOF, how was your week? how is nouveau doing?08:40
RAOFNouveau's going nicely.08:40
seb128nice ;-)08:40
RAOFMy call for testing has resulted in a flood of... no new bugs.08:40
seb128didrocks, how are you?08:40
didrocksseb128: very well, thanks, sun has gone away for the week-end apparently, but apart from that good ;) You?08:41
seb128didrocks, same here08:41
seb128it's grey today08:41
seb128not complaining since it's a work day ;-)08:41
didrocksseb128: yeah, but apparently we will enjoy "work day weather" during the week-end :)08:42
RAOFI quite like it when its grey here.  It means its (probably) not going to be annoyingly hot :)08:42
seb128RAOF, here is means it's annoyingly freezing :p08:42
seb128and yeah, it's not only lucid which is freezing08:43
seb128;-)08:43
didrocksseb128: I saw that you can even have some snow today near your area08:43
seb128didrocks, indeed!08:43
RAOFYou crazy people in the wrong season.  Everyone knows that March is autumn.08:43
didrocksRAOF: heh :-)08:43
seb128don't worry it freezes at night in autumn too there sometime ;-)08:44
RAOFSpeaking of crazy people... seb128, up for a little light f-spot sponsoring on bug #484887?08:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 484887 in f-spot "Viewer should load target directory when loading single image" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48488708:44
RAOFI'm looking forward to Hobart winters.  They're properly cold.  Frost and all!08:45
RAOFProperly cold, without being OMG I'M SNOWED IN cold :)08:46
seb128RAOF, sponsoring, sure!08:48
RAOFFeel free to have a play around and mention any other obvious behaviours it should have that I just haven't thought of :)08:49
seb128RAOF, will do08:58
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone09:24
seb128hey chrisccoulson09:24
seb128how are you?09:24
chrisccoulsonhey seb128, yeah, good thanks09:24
chrisccoulsonhow are you?09:24
seb128good thanks09:25
didrockshey chrisccoulson ;)09:25
chrisccoulsonhey didrocks09:25
chrisccoulsonhow are you today?09:26
didrockschrisccoulson: I'm fine, despite my FF + LP issue that drives me crazy :)09:27
didrocksyou?09:27
pittire09:27
chrisccoulsondidrocks - yeah, i'm good thanks. despite your FF + LP issue that drives me crazy too ;)09:28
chrisccoulsonheh09:28
didrockschrisccoulson: heh ;-)09:28
didrockschrisccoulson: as it's in the tarball, I think showing this to upstream is maybe the good choice. I've added new hints today09:28
didrocksit's obviously a layout functionnality that LP is using that get on FF's nerves :)09:29
pittiseb128, chrisccoulson: good morning, how are you?09:29
chrisccoulsonhey pitti. good thanks how are you?09:29
pittiI'm great, thanks; lots of stuff to do today..09:30
pittiOMGbeta09:30
seb128pitti, hey pitti, I'm very good thanks09:30
seb128pitti, how are you? how was the show yesterday?09:30
chrisccoulsonyeah, i've got quite a lot of stuff to do as well09:30
chrisccoulsondidrocks - did you say you were using the NV driver?09:30
seb128chrisccoulson, you get the firefox lp issue now?09:30
pittiseb128: the show was awesome -- totally flabbergasting09:30
chrisccoulsonseb128 - no, i don't get it at all09:30
pittiWe left it with lots of "Huh?" question marks in our faces :)09:31
seb128;-)09:31
pittifirst the guys came to the tables and showed little tricks there09:31
didrockschrisccoulson: I tried with nv and nouveau. I think that not having accelerated driver is what make the issue noticeable09:31
pittiand then they had a stage show09:31
seb128pitti, sounds fun ;-)09:33
didrocksand today pitti is scratching his head to try to understand what happened :-)09:33
pittiI think I understood just one trick09:34
seb128chrisccoulson, pitti: does any of you plan any gpm upload?09:40
pittinot today09:40
seb128ok, I will sponsor bug #529911 then09:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 529911 in gnome-power-manager "battery icon is not shown" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52991109:40
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i was going to modify the apport hook in the same way as gnome-screensaver09:41
seb128or let one of you do that09:41
seb128chrisccoulson, ok, can you please get that one liner in too?09:41
seb128chrisccoulson, thanks09:41
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's no problem09:41
chrisccoulsonwe're not frozen yet are we?09:41
pittichrisccoulson: we just got frozen09:41
pittibut that sounds like an appropriate fix09:42
pittichrisccoulson: assigning that one to you then09:42
chrisccoulsonpitti - what about the changes to the apport hook?09:42
pittichrisccoulson: sounds fine09:42
chrisccoulsoncool, will work on that then09:42
pittibasically, anything which potentially destabilizes Ubuntu -> no no no09:42
pittianything which fixes bugs with low regression potential, or helps us debugging beta-1 -> bring it on09:43
chrisccoulsonpitti - i just noticed a merge request in gpm (bug 522972)10:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 522972 in gnome-power-manager "Apport hook should attach hardware info" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52297210:06
chrisccoulsondo you think thats useful for me to merge too?10:06
pittichrisccoulson: apport hook improvements are generally fine, I think10:07
chrisccoulsoncool, i'll add that too then10:07
chrisccoulsonthanks10:07
chrisccoulsonhas anybody else recreated bug 533652 out of interest?10:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 533652 in gnome-power-manager "critically low battery dialog "cancel" button is meaningless" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53365210:14
chrisccoulsoni generally don't let my battery become critically low10:14
seb128chrisccoulson, no, but isn't that just notify with action fallback for you?10:15
seb128chrisccoulson, I can let my mini empty and tell you after lunch10:15
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, but i reverted the upstream change which caused this10:15
chrisccoulsonso i'm a bit confused :-/10:16
seb128chrisccoulson, ok, mini is emptying, I will tell you10:16
chrisccoulsonthanks10:16
chrisccoulsonthe last few builds i've done on my laptop have been painfully slow10:25
seb128chrisccoulson, is that because you were building openjdk or firefox there?10:26
seb128;-)10:26
chrisccoulsonheh ;)10:26
chrisccoulsonnot this time10:26
seb128hum, gpm notify bubbles are buggy10:26
chrisccoulsonthe last few builds i've done seem to be taking a very long time unpacking the build-depends10:26
chrisccoulsonah, so i need to fix that too10:26
seb128the battery info key gives a "(null) not present"10:27
seb128line after the bubble title10:27
chrisccoulsonbattery info key? i'm not sure i have one of them10:27
seb128it has a small battery display10:27
chrisccoulsonoh, i've got one, but it does nothing ;)10:27
seb128it's fn-f3 there10:27
chrisccoulsonyeah, same here. but mine doesn't do anything10:28
seb128I'm still trying to get the low battery test10:28
seb128I played with the gconf threshold10:28
didrocksI got the same issue than seb128, but my battery is dead, I was thinking it was the source of the issue :)10:28
seb128let's see if that works10:28
chrisccoulsonoh, Fn+F3 doesn't even flow up to X on my laptop10:28
chrisccoulsonseb128 - nevermind, i found the issue with the critical notification10:45
seb128chrisccoulson, ok, good, I was still trying to play with the thresholds without luck10:47
seb128chrisccoulson, do you want a bug about the "(null) not present" one?10:47
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yes please10:47
seb128chrisccoulson, ok, will open one10:48
seb128bah10:51
seb128gpm --verbose says the threshold keys are unknown10:51
seb128I'm wondering if it still uses that10:51
seb128or if the time for those actions are upower things now10:51
chrisccoulsoni can have a look and find out10:51
seb128chrisccoulson, feel free to ignore me, you are probably busy enough on firefox10:53
seb128or other things10:53
seb128we can figure those gpm issue after beta110:53
chrisccoulsonfantastic, my disk has decided to eat itself again10:59
pittichrisccoulson: urgh?10:59
pittihow?10:59
chrisccoulsonpitti - i get ata errors constantly on this laptop11:00
chrisccoulsonand occasionally it corrupts the disk ;)11:00
seb128chrisccoulson, what laptop did you take?11:00
seb128just making sure I don't take the same11:00
seb128;-)11:00
chrisccoulsonseb128 - its a dell e5500 ;)11:00
seb128you seems to keep running into issues11:01
seb128or things not working11:01
chrisccoulsoni get lots of this on my laptop:11:02
chrisccoulsonhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/393941/11:02
chrisccoulsonand then eventually, it just does this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/393943/11:03
chrisccoulson;)11:03
chrisccoulsonanyway, bbiab, need to go and do another manual fsck11:03
seb128pitti, you took the gtk-perl bug over from slangasek?11:04
pittiwell, it's a  desktopish package?11:04
pittiand it was originally assigned to us11:04
seb128pitti, right, he just seemed to be on it11:04
seb128pitti, I can upload the fix now if you want11:04
pittiwell, if he is, then I won't object :)11:04
pittibut I guess he has his hands full with other stuff now11:04
seb128I will check with him11:04
pittiseb128: please go ahead if you have time11:04
pittiseb128: I'll have a closer look at the retracer crash later on11:11
seb128pitti, it crashed again? thanks!11:11
pitti"need one more value to unpack" -> looks like a broken bug description11:12
chrisccoulsonthat's better!11:12
chrisccoulsoni can write to my disk again now11:12
pittiseb128: fixed that bug, restarting11:14
seb128pitti, that was quick ;-)11:15
chrisccoulsonpitti - do you remember me saying that my Fn+F8 key produced the same scancode as the "p" key on my laptop?11:15
pittichrisccoulson: yes, I do11:15
chrisccoulsonit's not a problem with my laptop :)11:15
chrisccoulsoni just booted the karmic kernel, and it works fine11:15
pittiah11:15
* chrisccoulson breathes sigh of relief11:16
pittiso, some weird quirk in the kernel?11:16
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah, must be. but i'm not sure how to investigate that11:16
chrisccoulsoni'm going to run the karmic kernel for a few days and see if i still get these ata errors11:17
seb128chrisccoulson, does the battery key work too now?11:17
chrisccoulsonseb128 - no, that one still doesn't do anything11:17
seb128ok11:17
pittidear world. Stop sending me mail for a few hours, or at least slow down that I actually have a chance to catch up. Love, Pitti11:19
chrisccoulsonwell, i'm not getting any ata errors yet with the karmic kernel11:29
chrisccoulsonasac - i see you have a nm-applet bug assigned to you in the beta 1 targetted bugs11:51
chrisccoulsonwant me to have a look at that?11:51
chrisccoulson(bug 456468 FYI)11:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 456468 in network-manager-applet "upgrade triggers nm-applet "resource not found" ... missing icon "nm-applet-device"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45646811:52
asacchrisccoulson: isnt there even a patch attached?11:55
asacchrisccoulson: that bug is understood ....  we need to create a legacy link for the nm-applet-device icon11:55
chrisccoulsonasac - oh, ok. i'll leave it with you for now then if you already understand it11:56
=== MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch
davmor2pitti: is there a symptom for graphics in ubuntu-bug?12:21
pittidavmor2: yes, just select the "display" symptom12:23
davmor2pitti: thanks :)12:26
cassidyseb128, hi. Ubuntu doesn't set the $XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR var, is that expected?12:31
seb128cassidy, hey, what ubuntu version do you use?12:32
cassidykarmic12:32
seb128cassidy, it was set to be the desktop on karmic iirc12:33
cassidyI'm a simple user, I don't use dev distro ;)12:33
cassidyis it set on your box?12:34
seb128cassidy, let me check12:34
seb128cassidy, in .config/user-dirs.dirs?12:34
seb128yes12:34
cassidyto ~/Download?12:34
cassidyXDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/Bureau"12:34
cassidyah I see12:34
seb128cassidy, yes12:35
cassidybut it's not exported12:35
seb128cassidy, those are not meant to be export afaik12:35
seb128cassidy, the glib api uses the config file12:35
seb128cassidy, not the environment12:35
cassidyI see12:35
cassidylet's try using g_get_user_special_dir then12:36
seb128cassidy, nice to see you still around btw :p12:37
seb128cassidy, you have not been responding to any of my pings for some weeks ;-)12:38
cassidyseb128, oh sorry. I moved back to Belgium so have been pretty busy :)12:38
cassidydon't hesitate to ping me harder :)12:38
seb128cassidy, np ;-) I did sort the questions I had I think12:39
seb128hum13:03
seb128how is submittodebian sending bugs?13:03
Laneyusing reportbug13:03
seb128how is reportbug sending bugs?13:03
seb128is that relying on having a working mta?13:03
Laneyyes13:03
Keybukseb128: did you see that I uploaded new plymouth packages to my PPA?  Could you test them - you seemed particularly bitten by bugs13:03
LaneyI just use ssmtp these days13:04
seb128Keybuk, no I didn't see that, doing that now, the mini has the issue at every single boot13:04
Keybukseb128: there's a new gdm and mountall with it - install those too13:04
Keybukpitti: ^13:04
seb128Keybuk, is there anything I don't want in your ppa?13:04
Keybukseb128: should be just those three packages in there13:05
seb128Keybuk, ie should I upgrade with it or just pick those?13:05
seb128ok good13:05
Keybukupgrade should be fine13:05
pittiKeybuk: great, thanks! I'll test them on both my machines13:06
selsymy ubuntu destop windows don't appear. any window opens in full screen without the option to minimize or restore. can any one help me out?13:06
seb128selsy, try #ubuntu13:07
seb128Laney, ok, thanks13:08
selsyseb128, thanks13:08
seb128Keybuk, ok, that fixes the "show a text vt and cursor" and "xorg crashes on first enter use"13:16
seb128Keybuk, but that breaks reboot13:16
seb128Keybuk, it displays plymouth splash and then a text vt and doesn't reboot13:16
seb128"init: Disconnected from system bus"13:16
seb128is the last line on this vt13:17
seb128I can vt switch but typing chars doesn't work13:17
seb128ie I can't log in to see what happens13:17
pittiKeybuk: ^ I get exactly the same13:17
Keybukhuh13:18
seb128it's not a one time things13:18
seb128I did power off the box and booted again 2 times13:18
seb128it does it every time13:18
Keybukreboot? or same on poweroff too?13:18
seb128I tried to reboot and stopped the box by sitting on the power button13:19
seb128let me try to use the shutdown action13:19
pittihm, now the boot worked, but didn't switch to X; I have to press alt+f713:20
seb128yeah, sorry the "power off" was meant to be "after having reboot hanging I did power off the box by pressing the button"13:20
seb128pitti, I got one of those too13:20
pitti"power off" from the menu produces the same hang as reboot13:20
pittii. e. disabled keyboard, doesn't shut down13:20
seb128right, same here13:20
* pitti wants a SysRq key on the mini13:20
Keybukpitti: Alt-Fn-F1013:21
Keybukcould you ssh in, and put the sshd, bash, etc. pids into sendsigs.omit.d13:21
Keybukthen when it hands, grab a bt of plymouth?13:21
KeybukI'll do the same here too - hopefully they'll all match13:21
seb128pitti, can you do it? I'm slightly busy with something else and there is no point to have both of us doing it13:22
pittiok, doing13:22
seb128I mean if you already have sshd etc handy on the mini13:22
seb128(I don't)13:22
seb128pitti, thanks13:22
pittiI hope it won't tear down the wifi during shutdown13:22
pittiseb128: should be easy enough to install13:22
seb128pitti, right, I'm mainly wanting to not multitask too much I still want 2 things done this afternoon and call it a day early13:23
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* seb128 hugs pitti13:23
kenvandinepitti, can i get a simple patch into gwibber that prevents CPU spin out of control?13:26
pittikenvandine: yes, sure13:26
kenvandinethx13:26
* kenvandine prepares 13:26
kenvandine:)13:26
pittiwaah, why must NetworkManager tear down the network as soon as you log out13:28
pittiKeybuk: hm, I did ps aux|grep -v gdm | awk '{print $2}' | sudo tee /var/run/sendsigs.omit13:30
pittiKeybuk: and still get a hanging ssh after shutdown13:30
KeybukWiFi or wired?13:31
pittiwifi13:31
Keybukthe wifi supplicant gets killed on shutdown13:31
pittiKeybuk: you think wired will be easier?13:31
Keybukwired is always easier ;)13:31
pittiKeybuk: oh, due to an init script?13:31
* pitti tries13:31
pittithat requires rearranging my desk slightly13:31
pittiKeybuk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/394014/13:37
pittiKeybuk: the box is still in that state, and I'm ssh'ed in, in case you need further info?13:38
Keybukhuh13:38
Keybuknothing else running?13:39
pittiKeybuk: the ps aux output has the kernel threads filtered out13:39
pittibut otherwise yes13:39
Keybukstatus plymouth shows 1812?13:39
pittistatus: Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory13:39
pittierm, *cough*, yes13:39
KeybukAS ROOT! :p13:39
pittiplymouth stop/waiting13:39
Keybukthat's weird in of itself13:39
pitti. o { as root? .. }13:40
Keybukstatus -> run as root13:40
pittiyes, I meant why I need root privs for connecting to d-bus, but nevermind13:40
Keybukstatus run as root doesn't connect via the system bus13:40
pittiah13:40
pittiso, plymouthd is gone13:40
pitti(I see text VTs, too)13:40
Keybukpitti: what's rc 0 waiting for?13:40
pittiI see the graphical plymouht screen, then this goes away13:41
pittioh, wait13:41
pittiKeybuk: migth that be related to bug 537262 ?13:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 537262 in apport "sendsigs sometimes kills upstart jobs instead of adding them to OMITPIDS" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53726213:41
pittiKeybuk: the unkillalbe_process thing uncovered a bug that plymouth sometimes doesn't get added to sendsig's omit list13:41
KeybukI think it might be13:41
pittii. e. gets killed from sendsigs13:41
Keybuk(related)13:41
pittiand perhaps plymouth --wait is just waiting eternally for a nonexisting plymouthd?13:42
pittiKeybuk | pitti: what's rc 0 waiting for?13:42
Keybukbut I don't know where that plymouth --wait comes from13:42
pitti^ how do you mean?13:42
pittistracing rc just hangs in wait(), i. e. waits for a child13:42
Keybukhmm, splash_stop()13:42
pittiinit─┬─dhclient13:43
pitti     ├─rc───plymouth13:43
pitti     └─sshd───sshd───sshd───bash───pstree13:43
Keybukhuh13:44
Keybukthis is completely broken13:44
pittiI can try to add a cowboy patch to sendsigs to not kill plymouthds13:45
pittis/s$//13:45
Keybukpitti: I don't think it's sendsigs13:45
KeybukI think it's the rc script itself killing plymouth13:45
* Keybuk wonders what idiot wrote these13:46
kenvandinepitti, so i should subscribe the release team to the bug right?13:47
kenvandinefor the gwibber bug that is13:47
pittikenvandine: not necessary13:47
kenvandineseb128, can you sponsor lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gwibber/ubuntu13:47
pittikenvandine: we'll pick it up from the queue13:47
kenvandineok13:47
kenvandineor pitti13:47
pittikenvandine: you can't upload that?13:47
kenvandineno13:47
kenvandine:/13:47
kenvandineacl13:47
pittikenvandine: later on, -EBUSY right now, sorry13:47
kenvandinei mailed cjwatson13:47
kenvandineok13:47
kenvandineseb128, you got time?13:47
seb128kenvandine, ok13:47
kenvandinethx13:47
seb128np13:48
Keybukpitti: remove /lib/init/splash-functions13:48
Keybukthen try rebooting and shutting down13:48
pittithat seems to work (twice i a row)13:49
Keybukok, will update PPA13:52
Keybukpitti: on the sendsigs thing14:02
Keybukhave you seen plymouthd in that state yourself?  running but status plymouthd saying not running?14:02
pittiKeybuk: (on the phone, brb)14:07
pittiKeybuk: re14:12
Keybukrehi14:12
pittiKeybuk: I didn't see it in that state from an interactive shell, now14:12
pittis/now/no/14:12
Keybukme neither yet14:12
Keybukwonder whether it's dependent on graphics card, etc.14:12
pittiI can try adding a sleep 60 to sendsigs and ssh in, or so14:12
Keybukthough that'd be odd14:12
pittiI seem to get the bug every third boot or so14:12
Keybukoh, you do see the apport message? on intel?14:13
pittiyes, on the mini14:13
pittiI added some set -x traces to that bug14:13
pittifor a working and a failing case14:13
Keybukcool, should be easy to debug that one then14:13
pittiplymouthd is always running, but initctl list doesn't show a pid for it sometimes14:13
pittiKeybuk: I wasn't sure whether initctl is supposed to be always correct wrt to that, or whether we need another way to ignore upstart jobs14:14
pittii. e. whether it's an upstart bug or a plymouth one (not registering itself, or whatnot)14:14
Keybukit's supposed to be correct14:15
pittiKeybuk: could it be a race of plymouthd just starting up, and upstart not yet seeing the pid or so?14:17
Keybukno, upstart forks plymouth, it should *know* the pid ;)14:18
pittichrisccoulson, asac: should bug 531583 be made a dupe of bug 518422? it seems to be the same, and the latter is better understood and has a patch14:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 531583 in firefox "greasemonkey causes ff 3.6 to not load, without errors" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53158314:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 518422 in firefox "Firefox does not start with certain addons installed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51842214:24
chrisccoulsonpitti - yes please, they're the same issue14:24
asacack14:24
pittithansk14:25
asacunless our dailies fix one, but not the other14:25
asacchrisccoulson: did micah land the patch for ubuntu2?14:25
asachmm14:26
asacwe should land it14:26
asacon .head14:26
seb128chrisccoulson, did you have time to review this notify-osd nm change for mirco btw?14:26
asacseb128: is that touching existing patches or new work?14:26
asacnevermind. will sort it with chris (he seems to know what this is about)14:27
seb128asac, dunno, I just bounced the email, it's basically making nm use the replace feature in notify-osd14:27
chrisccoulsonasac - it's in head already14:27
chrisccoulson(the firefox patch)14:27
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i've not had a chance to review it just yet14:27
asacchrisccoulson: thanks. we should ask on the bug to test the daily build then14:28
asacchrisccoulson: i dont see it in firefox-3.6.head14:28
asacmaybe in xulrunner 1.9.2.head?14:28
asacoh its debian/patches/lp518422.patch14:29
asachmm ... that should get a better name ;)14:29
chrisccoulsonheh, yeah, i was just about to get you a link14:29
chrisccoulsonasac - i can test with the dailies this afternoon anyway14:30
asacyeah.14:30
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=== robbew is now known as robbiew
asacpitti: hmm. i think i forgot to subscribe ubuntu-archive to approved MIRs ... is that the right procedure?14:33
pittiasac: not necessary14:34
pittikenvandine: "theming: changes to the appearance capplet might be required" -> is that still relevant/14:34
pitti?14:34
asacpitti: hmm. so archive admins will hunt the bug down on their own in the ubuntu-mir bug list?14:34
pittiusually yes (I also do that from time to time)14:34
asaceach and every day they get a mismatch? that feels odd ;)14:34
pittiI walk through the approved ones, compare with component-mismatches, and promote14:34
asacok14:34
pittinot every day, no14:35
asacok thanks for clarifying.14:35
pittikenvandine, Riddell: can you please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus for DX/OLS/Kubuntu?14:38
kenvandinepitti, will do14:40
kenvandinepitti, i have no idea about the appearance capplet, but i will get verification14:40
pittikenvandine: thanks; I think the appearance capplet theming change is not required, is it?14:40
pittikenvandine: ok, thanks14:40
kenvandinei don't think so14:40
rickspencer3pitti, hi14:42
pittihey rickspencer3, good morning14:42
rickspencer3I saw your comment on bryce's ntrig blueprint14:42
rickspencer3unfortunately it is not a low priority project14:42
rickspencer3randomizing? yes14:42
rickspencer3a little crazy? possible14:43
rickspencer3low priority? no14:43
pittintrig?14:43
rickspencer3it's the multi-touch ting that bryceh is doing for sabdfl14:43
pittiah14:43
Riddellpitti: yep, I may have to leave early from the release meeting so I may miss our slot14:43
pittirickspencer3: right, I set that before I got aware of the "sabdfl" tag; so please correct the priority accordingly (it's still just plain crazy, though)14:44
rickspencer3pitti, I was not empowered to make a deciscion here unfortunately, although I did provide input14:44
rickspencer3pitti, yeah14:44
pittiRiddell: I'm happy to copy&paste your snippet, and carry any other briefing you might have14:44
rickspencer3but they did put together a risk mitigation plan14:44
Riddellpitti: scottK says he can do it14:44
pittiok, great14:44
rickspencer3("sabdfl tag" - giggle)14:44
rickspencer3"Right by definition" ;)14:45
sabdflya ya ya, i hear you14:45
pittiexactly14:45
rickspencer3lol14:45
rickspencer3hi sabdfl, we weren't talking about you :)14:45
pittisabdfl: hey Mark, how are you?14:45
seb128hey rickspencer314:48
rickspencer3hi seb12814:48
rickspencer3happy Friday14:49
desrtgood morning everyone14:49
seb128hey desrt14:51
desrtseb128: release coming together nicely?14:52
didrocksgood morning desrt14:55
seb128desrt, yes14:55
seb128desrt, I would not say no to new stable glib and gtk versions though :p14:56
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desrtseb128: you got a fresh new unstable only a few days ago :p14:56
seb128desrt, exactly what I was saying ;-)14:57
desrtwell14:57
desrti don't do gtk releases :)14:57
vishseb128: hi.. is there a bug that the indicator-applet is not starting with non-default themes? and the user is not able to add it again?15:06
vishi think i found the problem..15:06
seb128vish, it's an indicator-sound crash bug15:07
seb128vish, it's fixed in bzr15:07
vishah , ok.. its seems the icon name not being present is causing the bug15:07
vishseb128: thanks15:08
LaserJockdidrocks: do you have any comments on bug #527090 . I don't know how netbook-launcher can really help, it's just using clutter/pango wrapping15:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 527090 in netbook-launcher "text under icons wraps badly in netbook-launcher" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52709015:08
seb128vish, look to indicator-sound open bugs15:09
seb128slomo, hey15:09
slomoseb128: hi :)15:09
seb128slomo, your glib update fails to build btw, the testsuite breaks15:09
seb128slomo, I disabled that in Ubuntu for now15:09
seb128slomo, the experimental debian buildds have the same issue I've seen15:10
slomo*sigh*15:10
slomopochu: ^----15:10
didrocksLaserJock: if you look, it seems related to umr launcher, the one before karmic. I guess it's fixed, cf last comment15:10
seb128pitti, btw robert_ancell did some work on lp:~robert-ancell/gdm/gdmsetup-sound-enable15:11
didrocksLaserJock: oupss, sorry, I looked at the duplicate one. Looking at the other now15:11
didrocksLaserJock: maybe that was a bug in pango (cf other bug report). I would ask if the issue is still relevant first with beta 115:13
pittiseb128: oh, sweet!15:13
seb128pitti, the ui and communication part is done but when we talked yesterday he didn't do the actuals call from the server to set the key15:14
seb128pitti, do you think we can still try to get than in on monday or after beta1?15:14
seb128pitti, I'm about to run now and I doubt I will have time to look at it today but I can have a look this weekend15:15
pittiseb128: Monday sounds fine15:15
seb128pitti, ok great, thanks15:16
slomoseb128: ok :) unlikely that someone will fix it early enough for this ubuntu release... only thaytan knows how the DVD menus work and he seems to be busy with other things15:21
seb128slomo, ok, I will try to figure what update broke it if I can15:22
* seb128 is away for some hours15:23
seb128be back a bit before dinner, I will read backlog and sponsoring etc if required before running for the weekend15:24
seb128bbl15:24
LaserJockdidrocks: well, but is it really a valid bug to start with? There's not really a way to wrap a word properly that has no . or spaces, etc.15:37
* mclasen suggests hyphenation15:38
didrocksLaserJock: my feeling is that the launcher should take more space for each icons. I don't know what was used for that15:38
didrocksmclasen: yeah, that will be good. Not sure what was used before15:39
LaserJockdidrocks: used before what?15:40
LaserJockpango doesn't add hyphenation, it just wraps on it or a . as I understand it15:40
didrocksLaserJock: the launcher before karmic, and the one in karmic+lucid15:40
LaserJockI thought that was a seperate issue though15:40
LaserJockI thought that was *not* wrapping on - or . and that was fixed15:41
* mclasen was just commenting on the claim that there is no way to wrap a word unless it contains .s or spaces15:41
LaserJockright now it does a word wrap and if that fails a char wrap15:41
mclasenbut yeah, pango doesn't do it15:41
didrocksLaserJock: I'm just afraid that icon placement are fixed in the current implement (didn't have the time to look at this part of code yet)15:42
LaserJockright, there is a fixed width I guess15:42
LaserJockbut wouldn't we have to calculate a proper width based on the max length of names, and refigure the grid based on that?15:43
LaserJockso dynamically resize the icon placement based on name length15:43
didrocksLaserJock: that sounds good. I'm just afraid that the change will be too intrusive now15:43
LaserJockyeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out15:43
LaserJockif it's a Lucid or Lucid+x task15:43
didrockssweet, keep me posted :)15:44
LaserJocknot using one of the long-name languages I wasn't sure how out of place the wrapping in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39713029/Bildschirmfoto-1.png is15:46
didrocksLaserJock: German is good to test for that, I guess :)15:46
didrocksyesterday, I installed a right-to-left language to test the new release15:47
didrocks"who put my icon back to the right?" ;)15:47
kenvandinepitti,  on the release status page i added "ISSUES" under dx integration calling out the string change needed for consistency in social apps16:00
pittikenvandine: thanks16:00
kenvandinewhich will be done real soon, and we will coordinate with translators16:01
james_wkenvandine: hey16:07
kenvandinehey james_w16:07
james_whttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jpetersen/ubuntu/lucid/rhythmbox/appindicator/+merge/2107716:07
james_wdo we need to break freeze for that, or is it harmless?16:08
kenvandinelooks harmless, but i hadn't seen it16:09
kenvandinetedg, can you look?16:09
kenvandinetedg, says it was a work around for a bug16:09
james_wthere's https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntuone-client/desktop-entry-i18n/+merge/21034 too16:09
james_wthat should probably go in and be pushed upstream16:10
kenvandinethat one is fine16:10
kenvandineok, i'll make sure they get it16:10
tedgjames_w: I'm not sure that it needs to break freeze... but it basically is that the code moved into indicator-application 0.0.16.16:10
tedgjames_w: It shouldn't cause any harm.16:10
james_wtedg: ok16:10
james_wthanks16:11
james_wkenvandine: are you happy to track the rhythmbox one too?16:11
kenvandinejames_w, yes16:11
james_wthanks16:11
kenvandinenp16:11
james_wchrisccoulson: still planning on acting on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/530751 ?16:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 530751 in hundredpapercuts ""Battery Discharging" is a horribly worded message" [Low,In progress]16:14
chrisccoulsonjames_w - did the reporter mail ubuntu-translators? (i've not checked yet)16:15
james_whe didn't say he has16:15
chrisccoulsoni was still planning on acting on it, but i've not had a lot of time16:15
chrisccoulsoni suppose i could have done it with the gpm upload i did earlier ;)16:15
chrisccoulsonah well16:15
james_wand nothing in the archives that I can see16:16
chrisccoulsonme neither16:16
chrisccoulsoni'm a bit reluctant to keep uploading these types of changes16:16
james_wyeah16:19
NCommanderccheney: did you already commit the ARM fix yesterday or did I misunderstand you? (I don't see it in ooo-build)16:31
didrocksgoing out for some shopping (1 hour, I hope), bbl16:32
LaserJockdidrocks: ping me when you get back16:32
ccheneyNCommander: yea its committed to the 3-2 branch16:47
ccheneygrr another new class with struct changes :-(17:00
pittiasac, chrisccoulson: wrt. bug 512615, how realistic would it be to use the system cairo? (in terms of newer versions which will hit lucid-updates in the future)17:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 512615 in firefox "fonts are incorrectly rendered due to not using system cairo" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51261517:04
pittiasac, chrisccoulson: I just got told that on some systems ffox looks really horrible and rainbow-striped due to that (not here, though)17:04
chrisccoulsonpitti - it looks pretty bad here as well17:04
kenvandinepitti, when you get a chance, can you sponsor lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gwibber/ubuntu ?17:06
pittiit's just a strawman, though; I'm interested in whether that would work at all, how much work it would be, and whether it would break something else17:06
chrisccoulsonyeah, i'm not 100% sure what the implications of that are at the moment with regards to maintenance and support, so I'll let asac answer that one ;)17:06
kenvandinepitti, that includes the string changes to match indicator-*17:06
pittikenvandine: ok17:06
kenvandineand another string change which we will bring up with the translators at the same time17:07
* kenvandine goes to do that now17:07
pittikenvandine: (in release meeting right now, but I'll get to it)17:07
kenvandinepitti, thx17:07
kenvandinenp17:07
kenvandinepitti, and related, indicator-messages uploaded and needs approval :)17:07
pittichrisccoulson: asac is just answering in #release17:07
chrisccoulsonpitti - #release?17:11
pittichrisccoulson: #ubuntu-meeting, sorry17:11
chrisccoulsonpitti - heh, no worries ;)17:11
chrisccoulsoni thought i was going crazy there17:11
pittikenvandine: gwibber uploaded17:13
kenvandinethx17:15
didrocksLaserJock: I'm back17:20
chrisccoulsonpitti - i can't follow your conversation in #ubuntu-meeting. xchat keeps crashing every time i go there ;)17:22
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pittichrisccoulson: so, summary is that we'll try to get our cairo patch applied to the firefox package (its bundled cairo), and asac pokes upstream to get blessing for that17:23
chrisccoulsonpitti - thanks17:23
asacyes17:23
pittiasac: ^ can you please CC: chrisccoulson to keep him in the loop, so that he can eventually take over?17:23
asaci will keep you in the loop17:23
asacack17:23
* pitti hugs asac17:23
chrisccoulsonthanks :)17:23
* pitti hugs chrisccoulson as well17:23
* chrisccoulson hugs pitti17:23
* asac hugs all ;)17:23
* chrisccoulson hugs asac ;)17:24
asacnice hug round ;)17:24
* chrisccoulson thinks that 4 parallel builds of thunderbird wasn't such a good idea17:24
chrisccoulsoni think my laptop will start smoking soon ;)17:24
davmor2bryceh: are you getting reports from nvidia users about having to log in twice?17:27
chrisccoulsondo you mean the bug where Xorg crashes when you hit enter the first time?17:28
chrisccoulsonsounds very familiar ;)17:28
NafaiYes, I see that17:29
vishchrisccoulson: hi.. will seb128 be coming back? or has he left for the weekend?17:40
chrisccoulsonhe said he would pop back later17:40
vishah.. ty :)17:40
kenvandinepitti, can you approve gwibber and indicator-messages when you have a moment?17:47
chrisccoulsonpitti - is there any plan to standardise the units used at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com so that they match https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy ?17:49
chrisccoulsonsomebody just reported a bug because their downloaded file size doesn't match what the website says ;)17:49
kklimondapitti: can we update transmission to 1.92 before beta1 release (bug 538034)? it fixes one really irritating bug 505861 (and a few smaller ones)17:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 538034 in transmission "Update to 1.92" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53803417:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 505861 in transmission "Transmission download location gets the last subfolder removed on new torrents" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50586117:51
kklimondait actually fixes one bug that is not reported on LP and which bit me in my.. seat today17:53
NCommanderccheney: oh, its not on master?18:01
ccheneyNCommander: master is for OOo 3.318:03
ccheneyNCommander: hadn't checked it in on master yet since i haven't verified if master even builds on ubuntu18:03
NCommanderccheney: ah, far enough, I'm still fairly new to all this ooo stuff :-)18:03
NCommanderccheney: I just started a build of branch 3.2 (confirming that the patch is there) on my ARM box18:06
ccheneyNCommander: ok18:07
ccheneyNCommander: i haven't tested the most up to date ooo-build-3-2 if it fails you can always just grab that single patch out of it and use what is in ubuntu currently, that should most likely work18:07
NCommanderccheney: cool18:07
NCommanderccheney: thanks18:07
NCommanderccheney: just as a friendly reminder, remember to make the code to import the jaunty UNO disappear :-)18:08
ccheneyand if i can stop copying even more bits of gtk into epiphany backport then i can work on OOo again myself :-\18:09
ccheneyNCommander: ah ok18:09
ccheneyNCommander: can you file a bug and target it to beta 2 assigned to me?18:09
ccheneyNCommander: that way i won't forget :)18:09
NCommanderccheney: done. As a second point, what is your feelings on doing an SRU of OOo after this is fixed on lucid?18:10
ccheneyNCommander: SRU to karmic?18:12
ccheneyNCommander: i can do the SRU's for whichever releases that mobile wants assuming you can get them approved :)18:14
ccheneyNCommander: also as i don't have arm hardware just make sure the patch still works for the older releases18:14
NCommanderccheney: not a problem18:15
ccheneyi have another thing to add to karmic with its next upload as well, but wasn't serious enough to do a sru just for it18:16
ccheneyi'm going to add a message to error output telling if the user was told to kill OOo during upgrade when they file a bug so i can set it up to autoclose new bugs relating to that :)18:17
ccheneyi'm getting hundreds of probably invalid bugs filed because users file bugs after it tells them to kill OOo to do the upgrade, heh18:17
* kenvandine runs out for a late lunch/errands18:22
kenvandinebbiab18:22
pittikenvandine: done18:24
pittichrisccoulson: I don't know a plan, but please feel free to file a bug against cdimage18:24
pittikklimonda: please get it uploaded (it's just bug fixes)18:25
pittikklimonda: it will be accepted or deferred until after beta-1 (but I guess it will go throug if it lands today)18:25
* pitti calls it a week18:29
kklimondachrisccoulson: can you take a look at bug 538034? :)18:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 538034 in transmission "Update to 1.92" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53803418:32
Keybukpitti: ooh, I've just worked out the plymouth thing18:33
didrockspitti: enjoy your week-end!18:33
Keybuk(sendsigs)18:33
chrisccoulsonkklimonda, i will do in a bit18:34
chrisccoulsonhmm, was bug 533559 discussed with anybody?18:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 533559 in ubuntu-meta "Computer Janitor has GUI bugs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53355918:35
* kenvandine changed his mind... gonna go later :)18:36
kenvandinepitti, thx18:36
rickspencer3kenvandine, hi18:42
kenvandinehey rickspencer318:42
rickspencer3if you apt-get remove evo, should the mail and new mail entries stay in the messaging indicator?18:42
kenvandinehumm18:43
kenvandineno18:43
kenvandinebut the service probably needs a restart18:43
pochuseb128: looking at the glib failure19:05
pochuit seems to fail randomly19:05
seb128pochu, it fails every time there19:05
pochuseb128: yeah, it fails at the same point, but it doesn't always fail19:07
pochui.e. I've just run that test like 4 times and it's passed 2 and failed another 219:07
RoblobHello19:16
Roblobwhere can I find a release manager to express my concerns19:16
kenvandineRoblob, #ubuntu-devel19:16
hyperairRoblob: i'm no release manager, but out of curiosity, what concerns are these?19:24
* vish votes for hyperair as release manager ;)19:24
hyperairvish: lol.19:25
Roblobmenus on the left19:30
Roblobby default in an LTS release19:30
Robloband to spring it 1 hour before the interface freeze19:30
Roblobjust dirty19:30
Robloband even the icons look like the mac icons (speakers, wifi) etc19:30
vishRoblob: you mean the metacity buttons?19:30
RoblobI hope Apple sue canonical to death19:31
RoblobI will not be going to 10.04 or higher untill the buttons move back to the right19:31
vishRoblob: this channel is not the best place to discuss this  , see > https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00998.html ,19:33
vishrobbiew: it was a design decision , if you are concerned , you can reply to the ayatana mailing list [ https://launchpad.net/~ayatana ] [and do be civil ;)]19:34
vishoops , Roblob ^19:34
vishsry , robbie_w19:35
Roblobhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=142242219:35
Roblobhttp://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/23899/19:35
Roblobno one likes the left menus19:35
vishRoblob: yes , if you are concerned ,about the choice , you need to respond to the ayatana mailing list.. noone here can help you with that19:36
* kenvandine heads out for the day... have a good weekend all!20:37
baptistemm_asac, I attached a diff as you requested to bug 53470220:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 534702 in bluez "Update bluez to 4.62" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53470220:46
chrisccoulsonhey baptistemm_20:47
baptistemm_heya chrisccoulson20:47
chrisccoulsonwe're frozen now ;)20:47
baptistemm_:/20:47
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ccheneybratsche: ping21:34
ccheneybratsche: i am having trouble linking to gtk with epiphany see: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/394262/ rickspencer3 mentioned you might know how to determine what i am doing wrong21:44
* bratsche clicks21:46
bratscheccheney: Can you paste the actual linker command?21:48
ccheneybratsche: yea just a minute21:49
ccheneyhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/394274/21:49
bratscheI think those functions are not exported to the .so21:52
ccheneyso is it a bug that they are in headers in /usr/include ? :)21:52
ccheneyat least i would think that if they aren't linkable they wouldn't be in include21:53
bratscheWhy is this in Epiphany?  Is it just a copy of the module from gtk?21:55
ccheneybratsche: yea we are backporting the new epiphany to hardy which requires copying bits of various libs into epiphany21:56
bratscheccheney: Do you have a branch somewhere I can pull just to look at it?  I'm not really sure why it would need to pull that in.21:58
ccheneybratsche: not at the moment, it needs those because i had to pull in all of gtkimmulticontext.c21:59
ccheneybratsche: which iirc was in turn needed by gtkentry21:59
ccheneybratsche: which was needed by several parts of epiphany22:00
bratscheIs it not provided by the gtk+ that comes in Hardy?22:00
ccheneybratsche: only an older version without the needed functions, and the newer version that has the functions had a new private struct which was not compatible, etc22:01
ccheneythose three functions shouldn't be too hard to deal with i hope, will see how it goes22:02
bratscheIs there a copy of GtkEntry in this as well or something?22:03
ccheneyyea22:04
ccheneyhad to copy in gtkentry first then the other ones to build it22:04
ccheneybackporting gtk apps is a pita :-\22:04
bratscheWhy did you need a new GtkEntry in this?22:05
bratscheIs Epiphany actually setting the IM module to the entry itself?22:06
ccheneyit was using a lot of new gtkentry symbols from what i recall epiphany switched to using gtkentry new functions instead of old ones it used to have itself22:07
bratscheOh nice, they're using my new icon API now.  That would do it. :)22:08
bratscheThat makes me happy. :)22:08
ccheneyhehe22:08
ccheneyyes it is good going forward but makes backporting hell :)22:08
bratscheI don't see it using the im-module stuff though, so you could try removing that from the GtkEntry you're backporting over..22:09
bratscheIts git revision is 5d4bb27b if that helps, so if you have a git tree then do "git show 5d4bb27b" to get a patch and try to reverse it.22:10
ccheneyah ok let me see if i can remove that part22:10
bratscheThat makes more sense to me than trying to backport this immulticontext stuff.22:10
ccheneywhere do i check the git branch out from?22:12
ccheneyit looks like the reason its being pulled in is due to gtkimmulticontext pulling it in, not from gtkentry itself22:13
bratschegit clone git://git.gnome.org/gtk+22:13
* mclasen cannot imagine that epiphany needs that new immodule functionality...22:13
ccheneychecking it out now, will take some time, heh looks like git is about 200MiB22:15
bratscheIf you're going to be pulling stuff from Gnome git very often, you should setup a shortcut in your .gitconfig22:15
bratscheSo you can just do "git clone gnome:gtk+" or whatever.22:15
bratsche[url "ssh://bratsche@git.gnome.org/git/"]22:16
bratsche        insteadof = gnome:22:16
bratsche(or whatever your username is, or using anonymous git)22:16
ccheneyok22:17
ccheneybratsche: i might be missing something but that patch doesn't seem to be enough to revert the need for gtkimmodule?22:24
ccheneybratsche: it seems to just change some of the calls but still uses them22:24
* ccheney thinks he almost has it building just adding those last three symbols in22:39
ccheneygrr more private functions22:40
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ccheneyin automake how do i make something like to another library in another directory of the same build?22:51
ccheneyi need lib/widgets/Makefile.am library to link to the lib/Makefile.am library22:52
ccheneyah foo_LDADD = bar.la22:56
ccheneyer LIBADD for libraries22:58
ccheneyhmm that didn't work maybe because its a noinst library, hmm23:00
waltersccheney: i suggest non-recursive automake23:04
ccheneywalters: i'm modifying epiphany so don't really want to rewrite the build system :)23:06
ccheneywalters: any idea what i would need to do to have it link between dirs properly?23:06
ccheneyin this case it seems it needs to do be static since the library isn't installed23:07
istazbratsche: oh great I didn't know that23:07
bratscheHmm?23:08
bratscheWhat's that?23:08
ccheneybratsche: or do you know? :)23:08
istazbratsche: the git shortcut tip23:09
bratscheccheney: Did you get the gtkimmodule thing sorted out?23:09
ccheneybratsche: yea i just ended up adding the bits it needed which fixed that part then i got to a point where its claiming bits aren't there for linking from the lib dir, in lib/widgets23:10
ccheneybratsche: so i think i need to somehow link in the lib dir library to lib/widgets23:10
bratscheI'm not that good with automake fu, I unfortunately usually just hack around until it works. :/23:11
ccheneyok, i'll see if i can find a way to make it work23:12
ccheneyi get this weird bit: make[5]: *** No rule to make target `../../lib/libephymisc.la', needed by `libephywidgets.la'.  Stop.23:25
ccheneydue to adding:23:25
ccheneylibephywidgets_la_LIBADD = \ $(top_builddir)/lib/libephymisc.la \ $(DEPENDENCIES_LIBS)23:25
ccheneywhich is essentially the same thing done in src/Makefile.am but apparently it works there23:25
Keybukisn't built yet then ;-)23:35
Keybukorder of SUBDIRS23:35
ccheneyKeybuk: oh23:39
ccheneyKeybuk: should i put . in before?23:40
ccheneyKeybuk: its shows as SUBDIRS = widgets egg (but no ref to the current one)23:40
KeybukI don't think you can do that23:40
Keybukoh, yes you can23:41
Keybukyes, do that23:41
Keybuk   By default, Automake generates `Makefiles' that work depth-first in23:41
Keybukpostfix order: the subdirectories are built before the current23:41
Keybukdirectory.  However, it is possible to change this ordering.  You can23:41
Keybukdo this by putting `.' into `SUBDIRS'.  For instance, putting `.' first23:41
Keybukwill cause a prefix ordering of directories.23:41
ccheneyok23:41
ccheneyyea that seemed to help a lot23:43
ccheneyit fixed the other errors just one left23:43
ccheneyKeybuk: thanks that was enough to make it finish building :)23:51
ccheneynow just have to see why it fails in dh_install :-\23:51
ccheneyhmm must have disabled a patch renaming the epiphany dir to epiphany-browser23:52
* ccheney will fix that after dinner, bbl23:52

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